Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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SandCastle

Forestville, Australia

#36675 Feb 3, 2013
Jake Bradock wrote:
Justice saudi style, this is the rule of law from islams very own nation.
This is another example of one of mohummeds people acting as commanded by his religion.
Public anger has gripped Saudi Arabia after a prominent preacher who raped and beat to death his 5-year-old daughter was sentenced to a few months in jail and a $50,000 fine – known as 'blood money'– to compensate the victim's relatives.
­According to Islamic law, the 'blood money' can be paid in lieu of the death penalty. The preacher's fine was reportedly half the usual amount because the victim was a girl.
Saudi preacher Fayhan Ghamdi, a frequent guest on Muslim TV networks, confessed to using cables and a cane to inflict the injuries, AFP reported, quoting activists from the group ‘Women to Drive.’
Ghamdi reportedly doubted that his daughter, Lama Ghamdi, was a virgin, and forced her to undergo a medical inspection.
In December 2011, Lama was admitted to hospital with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, and extensive bruising and burns, according to the activist group. Hospital worker Randa Kaleeb said that the girl's back was broken, and that she had been raped "everywhere."
And as predictable as ever, MUQ will strive to not condemn it.
He will however chastise other people who do rightfully try to condemn things of past crimes such as european imperialism.

Where is this quranic fruits of the world. The same old story is getting tiring to hear now from MUQ.

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AUSTRALIAN

#36676 Feb 3, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
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What else could he provide if not proof?
The Benders masters of tautology and sheer stupidity.
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Rosa Winkel

Australia

#36677 Feb 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>Can you provide proof that you don't have an intellectual handicap ?
Every post is proof that he does. LOL
The sIndian Busters

Tempe, AZ

#36678 Feb 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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#36679 Feb 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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#36680 Feb 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>Can you provide proof that you don't have an intellectual handicap ?
"Provide proof to prove your claim."

If can't
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#36681 Feb 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
More innocent people were killed by Christians and White race than any other religion and race of the world.
Want to take a count?
The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years AFTER the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years AFTER Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years AFTER Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 AFTER Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years AFTER Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years AFTER Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years AFTER France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years AFTER the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.
In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.
Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered.(Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).

Renowned scholar Bernard Lewis points out that, "unlike the jihad, it [the Crusade] was concerned primarily with the defense or reconquest of threatened or lost Christian territory... The Muslim jihad, in contrast, was perceived as unlimited, as a religious obligation that would continue until all the world had either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule... The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."

ISLAM WAS THE ATTACKER AND CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DEFENDER. Just like today Islam is still the attacker and other countries respond by defending themselves. The aim of Islam is world domination as it was then and it will never change until Jesus returns to destroy Islam and all its defenders
The sIndian Busters

Tempe, AZ

#36682 Feb 3, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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Every post is proof that he does. LOL
Had any CABANABANANAHASA BIGNANNAs lately, petal?

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Greensborough, Australia

#36683 Feb 3, 2013
The sIndian Busters wrote:
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#36684 Feb 3, 2013
Decent Muslims should feel a sense of embarrassment rather than pride over the rules that they have to enforce in order to maintain Islam's claim as the "fastest growing religion." In truth, it speaks more to the insecurity that Muslims have in their own religion, and the banal immaturity of Islam compared with other faiths.

Let’s say that you are playing chess with a 6-year-old boy. Instead of following the same set of rules, however, the child is allowed to make up rules that are preferential to him. One of the rules he decides on is that you aren’t allowed to make any moves on his half of the board, but he is allowed to make moves on yours. Another might be that it is impossible for any of his pieces to be taken.

Now, if the child is winning the game – which is assured by the conditions that he has imposed - is it really something in which he can truly take pride?

The rules that Muslims impose on the “conversion game” are almost exactly like this chess analogy. Other religions are not allowed to operate in Islam’s own territory (ie. preaching their faith and evangelizing) as Muslims are in others. Neither is conversion away from Islam allowed – on penalty of death.

In the Muslim world, Christians who evangelize are imprisoned, assaulted, beaten, set on fire, shot, bludgeoned, and tortured by Islamists. Missionaries are raped and killed. Former Muslims who embrace Christianity as their religion of choice are sexually assaulted, crippled, hanged, stoned, stabbed, dismembered, carved up, scalded, beheaded, brutalized, doused with acid, burned alive and publicly executed... and Muslims brag that their religion is growing faster!

Muslims who gloat over their “fast growing" religion are no different than the children from our example who delude themselves into thinking that they are smarter and better for “beating” a much wiser adult in a game played under manufactured conditions that render the artificial “victory” entirely meaningless.

Islam has been playing by its own rules since its inception. It is unlikely that Muslims will soon develop the confidence in their own religion (or the required social maturity) to lift the shameful restrictions to which it owes its success and risk competition with other faiths on a level playing field.

As was first mentioned, the truth of a belief or creed is never established by how many followers it has. But when a religion has to be supported by double standards, death threats and violence there is all the more reason to doubt its veracity.
The sIndian Busters

Tempe, AZ

#36685 Feb 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years AFTER the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years AFTER Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years AFTER Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 AFTER Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years AFTER Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years AFTER Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years AFTER France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years AFTER the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.
Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.
In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.
Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered.(Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).
Renowned scholar Bernard Lewis points out that, "unlike the jihad, it [the Crusade] was concerned primarily with the defense or reconquest of threatened or lost Christian territory... The Muslim jihad, in contrast, was perceived as unlimited, as a religious obligation that would continue until all the world had either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule... The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."
ISLAM WAS THE ATTACKER AND CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DEFENDER. Just like today Islam is still the attacker and other countries respond by defending themselves. The aim of Islam is world domination as it was then and it will never change until Jesus returns to destroy Islam and all its defenders
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#36686 Feb 3, 2013
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#36687 Feb 3, 2013
Tom wrote:
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Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!
You mean if you cannot discuss them logically, shut your ears and eyes and "pretend" they do not exist? Nice try!!
+++++ What is this success story +++++?
Success story?

A faith started by a Single person, who was double orphan and did not possess any material wealth and support of no state army or any other physical means of support.....grew to become one of the Largest faith on the face of this world?

There is hardly any country any city where believers of his faith are not available.

And there is no race, no language in which his followers are not available.

What else is success?

The more its enemies unite against it, the faster it grows!1

What else is success?

Look at Communism, with how much funfare it was launched? Every one looked upon it as "Philosophy for next world order". What happened? It collapsed under the weight of its own convictions. It caused maximum harm and pain to the class it came to defend. Farmers and Workers!!

Was that a Success?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36688 Feb 3, 2013
Rejoinder on the Mo’taliza Post:

I do not know what is your purpose of presenting this post on Mo’taliza?

There have been many attempts to “modernize Islam and bring it closer to the Ongoing Philosophy being popular in the world at that time”, but they all failed.

Islam has retained its shape and beliefs as it was when the Prophet of Allah and his companions left it.

You made such a longish post for something which is only to be found in the history books. And from Islamic books mind you, not from any Non Muslims books.

If Muslim Scholars had not written extensively about them, no one would even have remembered their names.

These Mo’taliza claimed that they are “reasonable” people and always talk with reason and logic. But when they failed to “prove” that Quran was a Created thing, they resorted to use of “Brute Force”.

What force they used on Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal to get a confession of faith that “Quran was a created thing” led to their collapse and rejection by the majority of people and they were thrown in the dump yard of history.

Similar attempts were made to “make a patch between Islam and Socialism and Islam and Communism” and Islam and so many isms that are floating in the world.

But there can never be any mixing between truth and falsehood. Islam and Quran and sayings of Prophet can never mix with any falsehood and they stand separated.

That is why Islam is today what it was 1400 years back.

Just look at Christianity, one person (St. Paul) single handedly demolished the teachings of Jesus Christ and substituted his own reason and logic in its place…. And there is no one in Christianity to undo his handiwork and restore the True Teachings of Jesus!!

That is difference between Islam and other religion. There is no place for St. Paul in Islam.

All deviant groups tried to become St. Paul but they were always rejected by majority of Muslims.

They can only exist on margins (Like Shia and Ismaeli etc.) and confuse people with their double talk.

Allah Knows Best
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36689 Feb 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Success story?
A faith started by a Single person, who was double orphan and did not possess any material wealth and support of no state army or any other physical means of support.....grew to become one of the Largest faith on the face of this world?
There is hardly any country any city where believers of his faith are not available.
And there is no race, no language in which his followers are not available.
What else is success?
The more its enemies unite against it, the faster it grows!1
What else is success?
Look at Communism, with how much funfare it was launched? Every one looked upon it as "Philosophy for next world order". What happened? It collapsed under the weight of its own convictions. It caused maximum harm and pain to the class it came to defend. Farmers and Workers!!
Was that a Success?
Its interesting to here a muslims perspective on what they concider as success in the name of there religion.

MUQ judges the success of his religion as its conquring of non muslim peacefull nations but ignors the damage his religion does to those nations and its peole and culture.

MUQ doesnt judge his religion by how inriching it is to other cultures or how rightous and better the people become because his religion would fail that test.

islam can only be judged succesfully by the damage it causes because thats all it really achieves once it arrives.

Well done islam..........

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#36690 Feb 3, 2013
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The truth remains the truth regardless of who wrote it. I never claimed to have written it. It was copied from another poster who left no way for me to give credit to the original owner. When I post another's work I always give credit it I know who it is as I have done with the Prophet of Doom!!!!!!!!!!

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#36691 Feb 3, 2013
No one has been able to prove that the koran is written by allah. In fact there were different versions of the koran around after the death of the prophet.

It is well known among Islamic scholars that Ubai Ibn Ka’b had a compilation of the Quran that differed from the current version, which was compiled primarily by Zaid Ibn Thabit.

Among the differences we know of between Zaid & Ubai’s Qurans, was the fact that Ubai’s Quran HAD TWO ADDITIONAL SURAS, al-Hafd and al-Khal'.(For more on this see as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, or read Gilchrist’s book Jam' Al-Qur'an, Chapter 3, pages 72-78, and also Surata al-Hafd and al-Khal'.)

This problem is acknowledged by Umar in the Hadith. In Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI,#527, Umar noted that, despite the fact that Ubai was called the greatest reciter of the Quran by Muhammad, two of the Surahs in Ubai’s Quran were not put in Zaid’s codex. After noting the problem Umar attempted to provide a justification.

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI,#527 “Narrated Ibn Abbas:‘Umar said “Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Quran) yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubai says,“I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Apostle and will not leave for anything whatever.” But Allah said:“None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar.”(2:106)’”

Umar’s attempt to explain the rejection of the Surahs in Ubai’s codex of the Quran by referring to these surahs as abrogated poses several problems:

By referring to the surahs as abrogated, Umar admits they were once part of the Quran.

One can hardly refer to these passages as “lost” or “caused to be forgotten” since Ubai, Umar and many others knew them. Ubai’s codex of the Quran was the standard version used in Syria before Uthman ordered all manuscripts that did not agree with the one compiled by Zaid et al. to be burned. Many still know Ubai’s surahs today! These surahs have not been lost, they have been REJECTED by the Muslim leaders!

According to Surah 3:3-4, these leaders bring a heavy doom on themselves and their followers.
The surahs were not abrogated by Allah, they were abrogated by Zaid and those who chose his text.

The Quran promises abrogated or forgotten things are replaced by Allah with something similar or better (Surah 2:106). How could this be done after Muhammad has passed away?

Zaid et al. should have accepted Ubai’s surahs even if they were only found with Ubai, since they accepted portions found only with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari (Bukhari, Vol. VI,#509,#510), and Ubai’s credentials exceeded that of Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.

Read more at:

http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch1.html

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#36692 Feb 3, 2013
Dayra wrote:
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WTF.
The Benders are?
should be a comma after Benders I think.
Who ever they are are they really masters of sheer Stupidity?
I doubt its sheer. Stupidity is the Norm my friend.
Ever since I sprung him cleaning toilets in Europe it has been spamming me with my observations in revenge.
Bosco

Australia

#36693 Feb 4, 2013
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36694 Feb 4, 2013
Jake Bradock wrote:
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Its interesting to here a muslims perspective on what they concider as success in the name of there religion.
MUQ judges the success of his religion as its conquring of non muslim peacefull nations but ignors the damage his religion does to those nations and its peole and culture.
MUQ doesnt judge his religion by how inriching it is to other cultures or how rightous and better the people become because his religion would fail that test.
islam can only be judged succesfully by the damage it causes because thats all it really achieves once it arrives.
Well done islam..........
Meaning you have no answer to my observations.

What is success in your view?

To exterminate all Red Indians? To kill every Aborigine from the lands?

To fight and kill and use Atomic Bombs to silent your enemies?

To take over countries and try to run it like "your own backyard" and leave it without doing anything for it?

Or continue bombing and fighting in a small country for eleven long years and getting nothing and doing nothing for its welfare?

Let us see what is your definition of success and how Christianity has become a successful religion while Islam is a failure?

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