Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46820 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Scoop.

The STINKYJuicylu Busters

Tempe, AZ

#36643 Feb 2, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
All I can tell you sandcastle is that I believe in the bible. I'm not asking you to. There is evidence to support its claims but at the end of the day it is your choice.
Show evidence to dispute your claim that it is incorrect. I can support and provide evidence that disputes what you say
We have started a petition which says we will disputes what you say to be successful:

Log out - erase your RATCHitt pit latrine Hometown entry.

Unhide your location.

Log back in - never mask or hide your location again.
MUQ and his Taqiyya 1

Australia

#36644 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ and his Taqiyya.
Part 1 of 2.

Any Muslim with even a cursory knowledge of Islam knows about the Mu'tazilites and their failed attempt to correct Islam from the false beliefs and pagan ideology still practiced today. 

The Mu'tazilite school of theology emerged from the Kharijites who questioned what is integral to faith or independent of faith. 

The Mu'tazilites adopted the position that someone who commits a grave sin without repenting occupies a state between being a Muslim and not being a Muslim. 
A second doctrine concerned the nature of God. God is pure Essence and, therefore, without eternal attributes such as hands. 

Passages in the Qur'an that ascribe human or physical properties to God are to be regarded as metaphorical rather than literal.

The Mu'tazilites stated the Qur'an was created i.e. man made and not eternal. The basis was that the false claim of eternal pre and coexistence of the Qur'an before and Allah is a essentially worship of a false god  beside Allah. 

They stated that Human acts are free and people are responsible for their decisions and actions. 
Divine predestination is incompatible with God's justice and human responsibility. 
Mu'tazilites are seen as responsible for the incorporation of logic and adoption into Islamic theology. 

This is particularly apparent in their belief that knowledge of God can be acquired through reason as well as revelation.
They stated Muhammad was just one of many (before and after) that received revelations.
They also stated Muhammad was imperfect, and large number of writings in the Quran attributed to him  were made were imperfect or without correct knowledge.
 Once better or more correct knowledge was available, or by later revelation  from Allah to others, Islam had a duty to Allah to absorb and adapt to  these messages. 
 
The term Mu'tazilah derives from the Arabic al-mu'tazilah, which means the one who separated. 
It was applied to the school established in Iraq by Wasil b.'Ata (699-749), a student of the distinguished scholar Hasn al-Basri (642-728). 
At the time of the rise of the 'Abbasids in 750 the Mu'tazilites became prominent in the Islamic world. 
In the 9th century the 'Abbasid caliph, al-Ma'mun, raised Mu'tazilah doctrine to the status to control of the religious  creed. 
3 Caliphates for 30 years ruled Islam with Mu'tazilah doctrine in the 9th century.
**********
The  Mu'tazilites' power was eroded by fundamentalists or traditionists who had previously built up a massive clerical authority and business  in ruling that every aspect of the Quran or interpretative haddeths were 'divine and literal' rather than metaphor and interpretation. 

It was this clerical resistance to a simpler and more adaptive Islam - where the muslim could communicate directly to his god and follow simple common beliefs, that proved the undoing of the Mu'tazilah. 

In the 10th century the Traditionist (Sunni majority) opposition to Mu'tazilah found a spokesman in Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari (d.935), who himself had previously been a Mu'tazilite. 
He betrayed the Mu'tazilite movement allowing the traditionists to take control and revert back to a structure of a clerical elite defining and interpreting the Quran as a divine eternal literal set of rules rather than a set of principles on which Islam could evolve.
MUQ and his Taqiyya 2

Australia

#36645 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ and his Taqiyya 
Part 2 of 2.

Most of the structural and ideological issues that beset Islam today originate from this failed attempt to correct and evolve Islam to societal change. 

In the 21st century, Allah and Islam now sits very oddly with practices and beliefs that were clearly prescribed for 7th century Arab society. 

Allah sits equal and constrained by Muhammad's interpretations and knowledge at the time, which was incomplete or incorrect in many aspects, especially in relation to an incorrect interpretation of  judaistic faith  on which Islam is largely based, as well as a highly distorted and incorrect view of Christianity and other religions at the time. 

Islam after the traditionists reversion  denied  itself any update or revelation from Allah leading to a later structural failure of Islam as many thousands of haadeeths often contradictory or at cross purposes scrambled and confused the Islamic  belief system as various different societies evolved. 

 Islam no longer has any structural or logical basis on which to incorporate and adapt central and common beliefs from inside out (eg unlike Christianity or Judaism which have a process of revelation and man made decisions on core principles and beliefs). 

Islam was already suffering from a major schism (sunni v shiia) as to elected or bloodline authority. 
After the 10th century Islam then began to fragment into  ethnic and geographical 'versions' of Islam.

 Thus the Islam practiced in South Asia or India & Bangladesh, Persian or Arab regions today is substantially different in practice or interpretation of the many tens of thousands of added or invented "rules" layered over the  Quran.

Fundamentalist, radicalised jihadist, nationalist, socialist and revisionist pressures added to fragmentation to create regional, nation state and political variants, further splintering of islam.

Today there is little commonality or consistency between the many hundreds of variants of Islam. 

Core beliefs such as equality, a common truth, worship, tribute, what is or is not a sin, punishment, incorporation of pagan or non Islamic beliefs and values, have been overridden to create a series of competing Islamic beliefs at odds with each other. 

This is the failure of Islam. 
It's inability to apply logic and structure or to evolve.
As the world Muslim community  becomes better informed with access to information and knowledge outside of a clerical elite then many find their faith and belief system wanting and requiring a reformation as the Mu'tazilah's attempted in the 9th century. 

What say you now MUQ to the valid claim that Islam itself attempted to fix itself and failed.
Leaving you with your archaic and false beliefs about Islam and other religions ? 
Dash

Australia

#36646 Feb 3, 2013
Brilliant !

This is the best explanation I have ever seen on what's wrong with Islam and why it should be feared...

Everyone knows it's crooked and has been hijacked by the mullahs & the clerics.

Now we know how and why.
Islam did try and failed, the ignorant with the backing of the corrupted clerics won to turn Islamic back into the dark ages.

Every Muslim should read the posts above, and weep that they are victims of such nonsense in what they are forced to believe today.

-------
They should go to the mosque and demand why such knowledge is denied to them...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36647 Feb 3, 2013
SandCastle wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really think the ark could have fitted every species; two of a kind; male and female?
That ship must be the size of Australia and India combined!
What about those which had male and female organs?
How about the diversity that we see before us if Noah had to abandon certain animals.
If all animals unloaded themselves after the ark rested on land; why do we not see this diaspora. In fact we only see such a diaspora of "bridges" of animals from different continents that were once connected. We see this genetically, and the fact that the continents fit together like a jig saw. Again, imagine the mess if all these animals came from Noah's ark when all the landmass was joined.
We should be seeing a huge, massive concentration of these fossils at a particular area on earth; paleontologists only need to follow the breadcrumbs and get more and more fossils deposits per square metres and arrive at the supposed location.
And humans, the most intelligent and adaptable creatures.... Absolutely no fossil record, "archaeology" from this "civilised" culture which had developed complex language and mathematical accumen to measure the dimensions of these tiny ark to fit all the animals of earth.
You either have to decide that you are going to believe in God or not. What we are unable to comprehend, does not mean that from God's point of view is impossible. I can't explain it any other way
Papal command center

Australia

#36648 Feb 3, 2013
Dash wrote:
Brilliant !
This is the best explanation I have ever seen on what's wrong with Islam and why it should be feared...
Everyone knows it's crooked and has been hijacked by the mullahs & the clerics.
Now we know how and why.
Islam did try and failed, the ignorant with the backing of the corrupted clerics won to turn Islamic back into the dark ages.

Every Muslim should read the posts above, and weep that they are victims of such nonsense in
what they are forced to believe today.
-------
They should go to the mosque and demand why such knowledge is denied to them...
Yes they should.
We are going to print it out in Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, Bhasa and every other language and drop it from the sky as pamphlets as 'words from god' over every mosque on every Friday for a year !

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36649 Feb 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
It has nothing to do with keeping the flocks enthralled and everything to do with bringing the truth to someone. Don't you think it strange that so many groups have a story to tell in relation to the flood? Have you ever considered that they are based on the original story from the bible?
I am more interested in knowing how long after Noah went boating that someone wrote it either on clay tablet or woven scroll .
The TROLL Bashers

Tempe, AZ

#36650 Feb 3, 2013
Papal command center wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they should.
We are going to print it out in Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, Bhasa and every other language and drop it from the sky as pamphlets as 'words from god' over every mosque on every Friday for a year !
Talking to yourself is major sign of mental imbalance.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36651 Feb 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
You either have to decide that you are going to believe in God or not. What we are unable to comprehend, does not mean that from God's point of view is impossible. I can't explain it any other way
God and religion are two different entities for something nobody can explain ,peoples feel they have to pray in seeking an answer via religions who portray they have the answers.
socci

Cameron, MO

#36652 Feb 3, 2013

Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West
September 8, 2010
By Joseph C. DeCaro, Worthy News International Correspondent

CAIRO, EGYPT – The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has released excerpts from a transcript of a televised sermon by Egyptian cleric Salem Abu Al-Futuh. Airing on Al-Nas TV on August 18, Al-Futuh's predicted that Islam would conquer the entire West, starting with Italy and ending with the Americas.
http://www.worthynews.com/9243-islam-will-con...


Australia will fall long before the Americas due to Aus's small population.

Why only 20 mil in Aus? Some serious pop control down there.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36653 Feb 3, 2013
NT wrote:
01. The reason Islam is spreading in the West is because of countries like Australia showing pity and allowing your entry by lawful and un lawful means followed by 10 fold child birth .
Have a look at the numbers of illegal entries by boat from Indonesia, these same peoples have flown through many Muslim countries to arrive here to take advantage of our liberal governance and welfare system and they have no intention of ever becoming Australian much like any other country you move into.

02. In Islam can we become violent towards those who have done us wrong ?
Ans.

01. This is "usual apology" by western people that Islam is expanding only because of Muslim's migration to their countries and their increased birth rate.

They try not to see the steam of people entering into Islam almost every day. There is not a single day, when people do not enter into Islam.

That is the reason why there is no much Anti Islam and Anti Muslim hype in Western Media against Islam and Muslims.

02. In Islam the "standard teaching" is that you can retaliate with "equal injustice" what has been done to you. This is according to human nature.

Then there is "recommendation" that if you forgive and do not take equity, it would be better for you.

That is how Quran caters for "Common people" and those who want to be on a "Higher Platform".

There are not "compulsory recommendations" like" 'Eye for an Eye and Tooth for a Tooth…"

Or

"Turn the other Cheek".

Both of these are on two extremes and Islam holds the middle path.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36654 Feb 3, 2013
RE wrote:
Israel can and will defend itself quite well regardless if the U.S decides to continue the Obama Middle East Strategy of "Leading from Behind".

For sale: Saudi weapons, Never fired, Dropped once.

I guess you will not get your sex and wealth in Heaven now.
Ans.

Like a "father" watches his "little child" to learn to walk and ready to "help" when it falters, US is watching its "Little teeny weeny illegitimate child" to learn to walk and stand on its feet.

And it is "always ready" to extend help and support if there be any faltering.

We wish "best of luck for the father and the bastard child"…. Falsehood and injustice only have a short leash of life.

Enjoy your fruits of inequity while you can.

Those who are on right path and preach justice and equity would always be successful, in this world and in the next too.

So do not worry about us.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36655 Feb 3, 2013
Shielaa wrote:
01. Mohammad not only taught slap the cheek as opposed to Jesus saying turn the cheek he willfully attacked innocent groups of people just because they rejected his teachings and because of his greed and lust for power.

02. The perceived goodness of Islam is an allusion. If Islam gravitates towards good, then why is it that in Pakistan for example a Muslim dominated country with about 150 million Muslims only one million of them file their taxes annually.

03. Why is it also that the majority of the world's refugee spill out of Muslim dominated countries in the hope of a better life for they and their families in the west?

04. You constantly harp on the past and yet never acknowledge the present...
Ans.

01. Our Prophet's mission was to "establish" Kingdom of Heavens on earth and Jesus' mission was to "announce" that Kingdom of God is near. When you have different missions, your tactics shall be different.

It is on record that our prophet established the Kingdom of Heaven in the whole of Arabia in mere 10 years, with the loss of less that 1000 lives (counted on both side), that alone speaks for his peaceful nature. And that was transformation for eternity.

02. The goodness of Islam is attracting good and reasonable people towards it since its inception. More people are entering into Islam than those leaving it and this trend has never ended.

03. People from every where go to places where they find better facilities. Why so many Non Muslims come to work in Saudi Arabia? You can find thousands of British, Americans, Germans, French, Australians working here. What brings them here?

04. I have to dwell in the past to tell what Islam can and will do when you adhere to it and to which depth you shall follow if you only give lip service to it.

More innocent people were killed by Christians and White race than any other religion and race of the world.

Want to take a count?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36656 Feb 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. This is "usual apology" by western people that Islam is expanding only because of Muslim's migration to their countries and their increased birth rate.
They try not to see the steam of people entering into Islam almost every day. There is not a single day, when people do not enter into Islam.
That is the reason why there is no much Anti Islam and Anti Muslim hype in Western Media against Islam and Muslims.
02. In Islam the "standard teaching" is that you can retaliate with "equal injustice" what has been done to you. This is according to human nature.
Then there is "recommendation" that if you forgive and do not take equity, it would be better for you.
That is how Quran caters for "Common people" and those who want to be on a "Higher Platform".
There are not "compulsory recommendations" like" 'Eye for an Eye and Tooth for a Tooth…"
Or
"Turn the other Cheek".
Both of these are on two extremes and Islam holds the middle path.
Provide proof to prove your claim

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36657 Feb 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Our Prophet's mission was to "establish" Kingdom of Heavens on earth and Jesus' mission was to "announce" that Kingdom of God is near. When you have different missions, your tactics shall be different.
It is on record that our prophet established the Kingdom of Heaven in the whole of Arabia in mere 10 years, with the loss of less that 1000 lives (counted on both side), that alone speaks for his peaceful nature. And that was transformation for eternity.
02. The goodness of Islam is attracting good and reasonable people towards it since its inception. More people are entering into Islam than those leaving it and this trend has never ended.
03. People from every where go to places where they find better facilities. Why so many Non Muslims come to work in Saudi Arabia? You can find thousands of British, Americans, Germans, French, Australians working here. What brings them here?
04. I have to dwell in the past to tell what Islam can and will do when you adhere to it and to which depth you shall follow if you only give lip service to it.
More innocent people were killed by Christians and White race than any other religion and race of the world.
Want to take a count?
Higher wages draw outsiders to Saudi Arabia much like you I suppose you being an engineer from India

For all the peoples that the Christian and white race killed how many were killed by Muslims ?
Dayra

Maylands, Australia

#36659 Feb 3, 2013
The TROLL Bashers wrote:
<quoted text>
Talking to yourself is major sign of mental imbalance.
Or boredom, or just plain old self psychoanalysis.
Communication is a skill that needs to be nurtured.
Its rude and conflict provoking to ignore people like they are lesser of importance. While this is still a socially acceptable practice its human nature for people to continue talking to themselves.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb...

Save it a good punishment to ostracise and captivate people you want to Dom. Go fuck yourself

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36660 Feb 3, 2013
MUQ; Your prophet established the Kingdom of Heaven in Arabia ,why then is this Kingdom so splittered throughout the modern world ?
Dayra

Maylands, Australia

#36663 Feb 3, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
<quoted text>
The Benders masters of sheer stupidity.
WTF.

The Benders are?

should be a comma after Benders I think.

Who ever they are are they really masters of sheer Stupidity?
I doubt its sheer. Stupidity is the Norm my friend.
Dayra

Maylands, Australia

#36664 Feb 3, 2013
WTF.

And 'The Benders', are?

should be a comma after Benders, I think.

Who ever they are are they really masters of sheer Stupidity?
I doubt its sheer. Stupidity is the Norm my friend.
Dayra

Maylands, Australia

#36665 Feb 3, 2013
Must be a Band, so I may have to just google it.

LOL>


Murder She Wrote!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Terrorism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News US sees need to build bridges with Russia - Lavrov 2 hr LAVROV BEGGING 7
News Thatcher's tenure shaped by Ireland (Apr '13) 5 hr Jim 13
News Albright Blasts Bush Mideast Response, Cites Ir... (Jul '06) 10 hr swedenforever 55
News The Never-Ending List Of 2016 Presidential Cand... 21 hr OId Sailor 1
News Cuban official daily says removal from U.S. bla... Sun L I G E R 1
News How Obama Is Vindicating Bush (Jan '09) Sun Retired SOF 400
News Obama expands ISIL fight into Syria; Canada won... (Sep '14) May 30 swedenforever 16
More from around the web