Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46820 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36597 Feb 1, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

The Original Sin (Inherited Sin) and Repentance

As a Christian, I was taught to believe that sin is inherited right from the first man, Adam, down to our parents and unto us. That is by disobeying God’s command not to eat of the forbidden fruit of knowledge, Adam sinned and this sin was passed down and inherited by all children of Adam and so all humans are sinful.

(Romans 3:23-2 and 5:12)

We were also taught that requirement of God’s justice is that a price is to be paid for every sin. This means that God CANNOT and WILLNOT allow a Single sin to go unpunished and therefore the ONLY thing that can wipe out our sin is shedding of blood.

“Without the shedding of blood is no remission (Hebrews 9:22)

Thus in Christianity, the recompense of sin is death, therefore death came to us due to sin of our first parents. Had Adam and Eve not sinned, there would be no death…

According to what I was taught in Christianity, since sin came into world thru one man, it was LOGICAL for it it to be removed thru one man, the second Adam, Jesus Christ.

This is how the formula for the concept of atonement was derived. We were taught that when Adam sinned against God, he was cut off from God and thus all of his descendents were also cut off from God. However when jesus came and died on the cross for sins of the world, humanity was therefore reconciled to God.

This was all according to Paul’s teachings (Roman 5:11 and Romans, 5:18-19)

Everybody was doomed to suffer eternally in hell, unless he accepted the atonement, which was a free gift ..

After doing much research on this doctrine of the Christian faith, I found that like many other Christian beliefs, the concept of hereditary had no support. This was not only evident in the words of Jesus but all prophets which came before him.

Prophet Moses taught “The Fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin”(Deut. 24:16)

Prophet Jeremiah says “In those days they shall say no more, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge, but every one shall die for his one equity..”(Jeremiah 31:29)

Prophet Ezekiel says “The soul that sins shall die, the son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall father bear inequity of the son….but if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed and keep all my statues…he shall not die”(Ez. 18:20-21)

I learnt from Islam that there is no such thing as “original sin”. And that all children are pure and sinless at birth. Also sin is not something which is inherited.

I found that humans are created with tendency to do good or do bad, they have the free will to chose whichever path they want to follow and they shall be judged according to which path they took.

The sin of Adam was forgiven once he repented sincerely and therefore it was not inherited by any of his children.

So the idea of original sin and sin being inherited is very illogical and it means that entire human race is condemned for the sin committed by our first parents thousands of years ago.

Then what about all those prophets of God and men of faith which are mentioned in Biblical stories? What happened to them till the Jesus appeared on the scene? What about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Isaiah, John the Baptist, etc.?

It is height of misanthropy and cynicism for children to be considered sinful from the time of their birth.

(Abridged)

IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa

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#36598 Feb 1, 2013
Never trust a muslim and never believe a muslim!!!

They even blame a dog for their own action...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#36599 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-
The Original Sin (Inherited Sin) and Repentance
As a Christian, I was taught to believe that sin is inherited right from the first man, Adam, down to our parents and unto us. That is by disobeying God’s command not to eat of the forbidden fruit of knowledge, Adam sinned and this sin was passed down and inherited by all children of Adam and so all humans are sinful.
(Romans 3:23-2 and 5:12)
We were also taught that requirement of God’s justice is that a price is to be paid for every sin. This means that God CANNOT and WILLNOT allow a Single sin to go unpunished and therefore the ONLY thing that can wipe out our sin is shedding of blood.
“Without the shedding of blood is no remission (Hebrews 9:22)
Thus in Christianity, the recompense of sin is death, therefore death came to us due to sin of our first parents. Had Adam and Eve not sinned, there would be no death…
According to what I was taught in Christianity, since sin came into world thru one man, it was LOGICAL for it it to be removed thru one man, the second Adam, Jesus Christ.
This is how the formula for the concept of atonement was derived. We were taught that when Adam sinned against God, he was cut off from God and thus all of his descendents were also cut off from God. However when jesus came and died on the cross for sins of the world, humanity was therefore reconciled to God.
This was all according to Paul’s teachings (Roman 5:11 and Romans, 5:18-19)
Everybody was doomed to suffer eternally in hell, unless he accepted the atonement, which was a free gift ..
After doing much research on this doctrine of the Christian faith, I found that like many other Christian beliefs, the concept of hereditary had no support. This was not only evident in the words of Jesus but all prophets which came before him.
Prophet Moses taught “The Fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin”(Deut. 24:16)
Prophet Jeremiah says “In those days they shall say no more, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge, but every one shall die for his one equity..”(Jeremiah 31:29)
Prophet Ezekiel says “The soul that sins shall die, the son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall father bear inequity of the son….but if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed and keep all my statues…he shall not die”(Ez. 18:20-21)
I learnt from Islam that there is no such thing as “original sin”. And that all children are pure and sinless at birth. Also sin is not something which is inherited.
I found that humans are created with tendency to do good or do bad, they have the free will to chose whichever path they want to follow and they shall be judged according to which path they took.
The sin of Adam was forgiven once he repented sincerely and therefore it was not inherited by any of his children.
So the idea of original sin and sin being inherited is very illogical and it means that entire human race is condemned for the sin committed by our first parents thousands of years ago.
Then what about all those prophets of God and men of faith which are mentioned in Biblical stories? What happened to them till the Jesus appeared on the scene? What about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Isaiah, John the Baptist, etc.?
It is height of misanthropy and cynicism for children to be considered sinful from the time of their birth.
(Abridged)
IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa
Does this mean you will now receive your Wealth and sex in heaven if you slay Non-Muslims?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36600 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
MUQ no that's incorrect. It's because Islam is so patently and obviously fake it has unanimous opinion to that, with fact to support it.

The Jews have few doubts.

The Christians believe the message & don't fuss the detail because unlike Islam they don't have the anxiety or neurosis of living with lies.

Buddha said he was neither a god or a prophet so Buddhism is not a compare.

All the rest are nature based animist religions rather than Abrahamic monotheism so not relevant.

Of the 3 (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) what's clear to all is that Islam is a patently fake corrupted apostasy based on lies.

As you know - even Islam itself, three Caliphates in the 9th century declared the Quran was man made, confected, had many things wrong and Muhammad was just one of many 'messengers' of god (code for voices in his head) and got a lot of it wrong.

Islam itself declared itself fake on first principles. You know why.

Because in the 9th century once Islam reached wider areas of knowledge in the middle east, it became obvious Islam & the Quran and much of Muhammad's messages were hopelessly wrong.

These Caliphates attempted to reform and correct Islam but were defeated by Arab fundamentalists who refused any changes despite the facts to the contrary.
And thus Islam has stayed still born ever since.

On the Mongols adopting Islam as a taxing and persecution system then force spread it across India and Asia. The Mongols didn't care it was fake and confected, they liked the rules that promoted fear, subjugation, different truths and the incorporation of pagan nature gods as the primary objects of worship. And that once born into it you have no other choice.

An empire of servile, rote trained indoctrinated, unquestioning violent Taqiyya trained warriors and administrators (eg the mughals) then bred to further their empire, feeding off a base of non believers all in subjugation or sentence of death
paying for it all in a unbeliever tax.

Your forebears and your inheritance.
Based on lies, spread like a disease by a godless Mongol horde until now - where in every culture Islam is being steadily weakened and eroded as knowledge, choice and freedom liberates Muslims from their darkness.
Ans.

Just trying to "gloss over" your own difficulties and putting all your venom against Islam, are you?

But the more your try, the more you fail, that is the fate of falsehood?

So Jews have "few" doubts. After "insulating themselves" in a "watertight compartment" what else they can do? Living like "frogs in their own well"!!

And you say "Christians do not worry about the details" (So long as Jesus died for them!!)….just glossing over the inter clan wars that kept Christians busy for many centuries. Just do not know your own history? Do you

And who were those "three ninth century Caliphs that declared Quran as fake" ? Never heard of them?

And if Quran is fake, why can't people write another book like Quran (as they have done for Gospels, they penned down more than 100, all "aided" by the Holy Ghost)!!

And then you just gloss over Islam conquering the Tatars, whom neither Christianity, nor Judaism nor Buddhism could control.

You accuse me of Taqiyya, but your own post is full of it.

Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36601 Feb 1, 2013
my2000cents wrote:
Never trust a muslim and never believe a muslim!!!
They even blame a dog for their own action...
You mean if you cannot discuss them logically, shut your ears and eyes and "pretend" they do not exist? Nice try!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36602 Feb 1, 2013
Republican Eagle wrote:
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Does this mean you will now receive your Wealth and sex in heaven if you slay Non-Muslims?
Do you work in the "misinformation department" of MOD?

You must have received F-- in your English grammar class, making Synopsis of a given passage!!

SandCastle

Forestville, Australia

#36603 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I think most parts of your post have been answered by me many times over and you come back with it again and again.
So I will answer only one part of your post where you asked,
"Why Our Prophet did not teach to turn Other Cheek like Jesus did"
I will answer this question, looking at it from different angles:
A. Our prophet did not preach "turn the other cheek, because he Knew what happened to the guy who preached it before him. He was dragged and crucified that a Petty Criminal and no one came to his help". Why would he want the same fate?!!
B. Jesus' followers never practices "Turn the Other Cheek", neither in old time, nor in ant times in the history.
"Turn the Other Cheek" remains only in the books, while Christians murdered more humans in human history than any other nations combined. I will give some examples from their 2000 years history:
a. Why Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and started Crusade wars with Muslims?
b. Why Christian did not "turn the other cheek" and persecuted Jews for past 2000 years in every Christian country?
c. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and killed every Muslim in Spain.
d. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" to Hitler and had WW-2 that killed more humans than any other war?
e. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" after Pearl Harbour attack and let "bygones be bygones"
f. Why Christians did not forget and "turn the other cheek" after 9/11 attacks and let the peace prevail in the world?
So by no means "turn the other cheek" has been the policy of Christians except in their books.
B. "turn the other cheek" is against human nature and can never be practiced as a "Fundamental Principle of any state or society". It is only a good trait to have but on an individual level. Quran gave instructions regarding this at many places.
C. Our prophet did showed "turn the other cheek" when he was in the Position of Power.!! And that is the time when you can "turn the other cheek"!
Not when you are weak and persecuted. At that time you have "no Option" but to turn the other cheek!!
Like Prophet Joseph, who pardoned his brothers for all that they have done to him, once he gained power in Egypt and could punish them….
Our prophet when he conquered Makkah and all those who had persecuted him and his followers for past 20 years, his worst enemies were standing before him in the courtyard of Kaaba….. our prophet just "turn the other cheek" and said, go your are free!!
That is the Way how you "turn the other cheek"!! Not the jesus' way!!
(Contd.)
TBH, most of the above were not exactly perpetuated by a Christian denominated government and some are not exactly a fair example.
e.g. WW2. Europeans were the most ahead technologically, militarily, economically so off course when war was waged, it was brutal. When world war one started, soldiers were directed in the imperial manner; have a volley shots and then bayonet charge against machine guns.

World War 2 was when aeroplanes were a feasible form of warfare; Germans begun bombing England and sending missiles on urban centres so off course the Allies decided to give back the same as well. The atom bomb saved millions of Bushido brainwashed bamboo wielding citizens of elderly and children from an American land force invasion; millions of Chinese were liberated from mass slaughters, rapes, medical attrocities etc...

This type of violent warfare dates back to Napoleon and before and China has been doing that for most of its history.
I am not justifying, just clarifying.

And yes, I do however perfectly understand your angle of reasoning. We should not always blame islam when these sorts of attrocities in war happen. People who will always act like savages in war.

I do believe two wrongs don't make a right. I do not understand how you have justified rape. Rape should be a firm no, and anyone caught should rot in jail. Period.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36604 Feb 2, 2013
Sand wrote:
TBH, most of the above were not exactly perpetuated by a Christian denominated government and some are not exactly a fair example.

e.g. WW2. Europeans were the most ahead technologically, militarily, economically so off course when war was waged, it was brutal. When world war one started, soldiers were directed in the imperial manner; have a volley shots and then bayonet charge against machine guns.

World War 2 was when airplanes were a feasible form of warfare; Germans begun bombing England and sending missiles on urban centers so off course the Allies decided to give back the same as well.

The atom bomb saved millions of Bushido brainwashed bamboo wielding citizens of elderly and children from an American land force invasion; millions of Chinese were liberated from mass slaughters, rapes, medical atrocities etc...

This type of violent warfare dates back to Napoleon and before and China has been doing that for most of its history.
I am not justifying, just clarifying.

And yes, I do however perfectly understand your angle of reasoning. We should not always blame islam when these sorts of atrocities in war happen.

People who will always act like savages in war.

I do believe two wrongs don't make a right. I do not understand how you have justified rape. Rape should be a firm no, and anyone caught should rot in jail. Period.
Ans.

So you have to provide "apology" for every action that Christians did in the wars?

You apparently forget the point of discussion, it was that Jesus preached "turn the other Cheek"…..while the prophet Mohammad taught that "Hit the one who slaps you on the cheeck"

Seen in that light, the Christians would have been turning "the Other Cheek" whenever they are hit, but we "never" seen them being in practice.

They hit back and they cause many times more damage than what was done to them, and still they claim "Copy right" on "Turning the other cheek".

And they always accuse islam and prophet of islam for inserting that "barbarism" as part of their religion.

Dual standards as always. Justify or play down your own mistakes and amplify and make maximum noise on similar or lesser mistakes of your opponents.

My point is that these teachings like "Love your enemy" and "Turn the Other Cheek" look good at a press copy, but they can "never" be the basis of any civilization. They are against human nature to be made as Fundamental articles of your Policy.

Like some learned western Scholar said "When I compare the simple teachings of Jesus and compare it with the teachings of Prophet of Islam, the picture is like a small boy speaking in front of a Experienced and Learned man who has seen the world"

Islamic teachings of rape are very clear. Death to the rapist and death to the adulterer and adulteress.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36605 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. If we look behind smiling faces of Muslims, we will find the same Islamic faces!!
02. Thank you for rating us so low. But then why are you afraid of Muslims if they count for nothing?
How come Islam is spreading in your nations?
And why are you "afraid" of Muslims?
And that is the Topic of this Thread, is it not!!
Boy when you are so much afraid of Muslims when they account for "nothing in the world", what would be your condition when they become united and "account for something in the world"?
Perhaps you would pee in your pants!!
The reason Islam is spreading in the West is because of countries like Australia showing pity and allowing your entry by lawfull and un lawfull means followed by 10 fold child birth .
Have a look at the numbers of ilegal entries by boat from Indonesia,these same peoples have flown through many Muslim countries to arrive here to take advantage of our liberal governence and welfare system and they have no intention of ever becoming Australian much like any other country you move into.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36606 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
So you have to provide "apology" for every action that Christians did in the wars?
You apparently forget the point of discussion, it was that Jesus preached "turn the other Cheek"…..while the prophet Mohammad taught that "Hit the one who slaps you on the cheeck"
Seen in that light, the Christians would have been turning "the Other Cheek" whenever they are hit, but we "never" seen them being in practice.
They hit back and they cause many times more damage than what was done to them, and still they claim "Copy right" on "Turning the other cheek".
And they always accuse islam and prophet of islam for inserting that "barbarism" as part of their religion.
Dual standards as always. Justify or play down your own mistakes and amplify and make maximum noise on similar or lesser mistakes of your opponents.
My point is that these teachings like "Love your enemy" and "Turn the Other Cheek" look good at a press copy, but they can "never" be the basis of any civilization. They are against human nature to be made as Fundamental articles of your Policy.
Like some learned western Scholar said "When I compare the simple teachings of Jesus and compare it with the teachings of Prophet of Islam, the picture is like a small boy speaking in front of a Experienced and Learned man who has seen the world"
Islamic teachings of rape are very clear. Death to the rapist and death to the adulterer and adulteress.
In Islam can we become violent towards those who have done us wrong ?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#36608 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you work in the "misinformation department" of MOD?
You must have received F-- in your English grammar class, making Synopsis of a given passage!!
Israel can and will defend itself quite well regardless if the U.S decides to continue the Obama Middle East Strategy of "Leading from Behind".

For sale: Saudi weapons, Never fired, Dropped once.

I guess you will not get your sex and wealth in Heaven now.
The sIndians Busters

Tempe, AZ

#36609 Feb 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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In Islam can we become violent towards those who have done us wrong ?
You're being too generous MC, as you can see Bender just admitted to being a Muzzie ladysboy monkey.

Sorry to say but we still to apply the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs.

YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE and neither is your band of supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs. Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK), ROMEO TINY inferior midget turds, Rupert PIN DICK FOOFTER The Maniac Psycho Anti-Muhammad Greensborough Insane Lunatic Nutcase, a SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF, PLAGIARIZER, ROBBER and IMPOSTOR Ringwood, Australia SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOTs.

PACK YOU BAGS, GET LOST FUDDIHEAD IndoMauritian MalBARCACA IMPOSTOR Neville One of the Adelaideans FUCKTURD TurdBender F*CKWIT sIndian.

NEVER RETURN

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36610 Feb 2, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
<quoted text>
Is is the same in Syria?
What is ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36611 Feb 2, 2013
The sIndians Busters wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to say but we still to apply the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs.
Seeing I don't know who they are how can I be seen to be supporting them,especially as you say,loving them ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36614 Feb 2, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you blind or had a lobotomy?
More information needed
Blahblahblah

Ringwood, Australia

#36615 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
So you have to provide "apology" for every action that Christians did in the wars?
You apparently forget the point of discussion, it was that Jesus preached "turn the other Cheek"…..while the prophet Mohammad taught that "Hit the one who slaps you on the cheeck"
Seen in that light, the Christians would have been turning "the Other Cheek" whenever they are hit, but we "never" seen them being in practice.
They hit back and they cause many times more damage than what was done to them, and still they claim "Copy right" on "Turning the other cheek".
And they always accuse islam and prophet of islam for inserting that "barbarism" as part of their religion.
Dual standards as always. Justify or play down your own mistakes and amplify and make maximum noise on similar or lesser mistakes of your opponents.
My point is that these teachings like "Love your enemy" and "Turn the Other Cheek" look good at a press copy, but they can "never" be the basis of any civilization. They are against human nature to be made as Fundamental articles of your Policy.
Like some learned western Scholar said "When I compare the simple teachings of Jesus and compare it with the teachings of Prophet of Islam, the picture is like a small boy speaking in front of a Experienced and Learned man who has seen the world"
Islamic teachings of rape are very clear. Death to the rapist and death to the adulterer and adulteress.
When you realize your religion along with all other religions are just a load of crap, you may become a better person.

Sky fairy stuff indeed

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36617 Feb 2, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I...

"Dahhak/Nimrod built a city in Babylon called Harb [War]. He made Nabateans his couriers. The people were subjected to every kind of pressure, and he slew young boys." In continuing with the similarities between Nimrod and Muhammad, you should know that the prophet pressured Arabs to submit to Islam. Those who didn't were slain. Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said,'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" Some would consider that "pressure."

In upcoming volumes of Tabari's History and in Ishaq's Sira we will be regaled with Hadith showing Muhammad murdering young boys. In one shameful episode he decapitated an entire tribe, slaughtering every boy over the age of twelve. The Muslim historians are making up these Nimrod myths in order to make Muhammad’s murderous behavior appear normal.

To give this tall tale a religious slant, the Traditions wove Noah into the plot. This plagiarized, albeit twisted, account proclaims: Tabari II:11 "Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks." Then after being told that "Noah slept with his genitals exposed," we learn: "Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks." I wonder if Louis Farrakhan knows this? Probably not - he was too busy corrupting the sniper Muhammad.

We have finally arrived at the real point of the Nimrod stories: Tabari II:18 "Nimrod was the son of Cush bin Canaan bin Ham bin Noah. He was the lord of Babylon and of Abraham." Muslims were on solid ground so long as they stuck to the Biblical account, but the moment they left it, they buried themselves. Nimrod died seven hundred years before Abraham was born. And Muhammad told us that Canaan died in the flood.

The actual history of the city-states of Babylon, Nineveh, and Ur is fascinating. This is where the stylus first met the tablet. It is out of the land of the Babylonians, Assyrians, and Chaldeans that recorded history began. It was here that the first laws were written, the first business was conducted, the first armies marched, the first students were taught, and the first sermons were preached. Their sermons and swords ultimately shaped the world - even unto our present day. Islam was derived in part from an offshoot of the religious scam concocted by Nimrod in Babylon. The original religion of Abraham in nearby Ur was based upon a derivative masculine moon deity named "Sin." Moon-god shrines like the Ka'aba were erected to him all over Arabia with rites that mirrored those invented in Babylon.

The people of the Fertile Crescent turned the sun, moon, and stars into gods and exported them at swordpoint. The constellations and planets were studied, and astrologists began the occult religions equating their movements to human behavior. This was the first time the masses were subjected to the will of cleric and king by way of divine right. It would not be the last.

Many of Catholicism's rituals, festivals, and doctrines were derived from Nimrod. The devotion to the virgin with child, priests as intermediaries between god and man, the celebration of Christmas, Lent, and Easter are but a few examples of religious trappings from Babylon, not the Bible.

To be continued

Since: Jun 12

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#36618 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
So you have to provide "apology" for every action that Christians did in the wars?
You apparently forget the point of discussion, it was that Jesus preached "turn the other Cheek"…..while the prophet Mohammad taught that "Hit the one who slaps you on the cheeck"
Seen in that light, the Christians would have been turning "the Other Cheek" whenever they are hit, but we "never" seen them being in practice.
They hit back and they cause many times more damage than what was done to them, and still they claim "Copy right" on "Turning the other cheek".
And they always accuse islam and prophet of islam for inserting that "barbarism" as part of their religion.
point is that these teachings like "Love your enemy" and "Turn the Other Cheek" look good at a press copy, but they can "never" be the basis of any civilization. They are against human nature to be made as Fundamental articles of your Policy.
Like some learned western Scholar said "When I compare the simple teachings of Jesus and compare it with the teachings of Prophet of Islam, the picture is like a small boy speaking in front of a Experienced and Learned man who has seen the world"
Islamic teachings of rape are very clear. Death to the rapist and death to the adulterer and adulteress.
Mohammad not only taught slap the cheek as opposed to Jesus saying turn the cheek he willfully attacked innocent groups of people just because they rejected his teachings and because of his greed and lust for power. This is the reason that the koran verses towards Jews and Christians have been abrogated. If Allah were a true God there would be no need for abrogating the koran in the first place.

The perceived goodness of Islam is an allusion. If Islam gravitates towards good, then why is it that in Pakistan for example a Muslim dominated country with about 150 million Muslims only one million of them file their taxes annually.

Why is it also that the majority of the world's refugee spill out of Muslim dominated countries in the hope of a better life for they and their families in the west?

You constantly harp on the past and yet never acknowledge the present. In prophecy it states that the anti christ will come to try and destroy the true God and his saints. This prophecy has already commenced as can be seem by Islamists around the world killing innocent people and it will get worse before Jesus comes back and stamps out the counterfeit "religion" of Islam

Since: Jun 12

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#36619 Feb 2, 2013
For a quarter century we have seen the foundations of our society weakened and the keystone for future generations, the family unit, is now in disarray. Beneath us is the quicksand of family disintegration, welfare dependency and a culture centred on self.

Consecutive governments have increased spending, yet the social decline continues. It is time to accept that the ideologies that have shaped our society and driven much of our policy in recent times have been found wanting. The evidence is overwhelming...

But imagine an Australia built on strong families, caring for one another and for their communities. A country of responsible, compassionate citizens of good character who demand excellence. A place where your children and your grandchildren live freely and safely. Such a country is within our reach. All it takes is for passionate, patriotic Australians to become informed and to get active.

If we look at all the things that have helped our great country to survive for these past 200 years we see that three main principles have endured through thick and thin. These must be protected at all costs, and they are listed below:

The Lifelong Family
Intergenerational families are the present-day building blocks on which our future is based. The family and the web of kinship that surrounds it is the best environment for nurturing people of character. Genuine communities flow from the commitment of mothers and fathers to their children and grandchildren.
Freedom With Responsibility
Responsible individuals understand and accept the consequences of their decisions. Freedom is anchored in self-control and respect for each other.
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#36620 Feb 2, 2013
It has been reveled in a July 4, 1998 news story that CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad stated:

Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Lisa Gardiner, San Ramon Valley Herald,‘American Muslim leader urges faithful to spread Islam’s message,’ July 4, 1998

IS ANYONE STARTING TO SEE THE PICTURE??????????

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