Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46810 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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#36586 Jan 31, 2013
Roxon’s backdown not good enough. Does she hate me so much?


Andrew Bolt
February 01 2013 (8:01am)

Free speech

A partial backdown from a shameful and sinister assault on our free speech by people mad with power and self-importance:

ATTORNEY-General Nicola Roxon has admitted her proposed anti-discrimination laws were poorly drafted, confirming the government has dropped controversial provisions that would have prohibited offensive conduct.

But the IPA’s Simon Breheny says the planned laws should be junked completely:

Roxon has announced that the phrase “offends, insults or intimidates” may be removed from the definition of discrimination under the exposure draft Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill 2012.

But these changes don’t come close to going far enough…

It’s worth noting is that no changes have been proposed regarding the reverse burden of proof under the draft Bill. In practical terms, a complainant need only make out the barest case – a prima facie case. This is the test courts usually employ to determine whether a claim should be dismissed before it is even heard. But under the draft Bill, the prima facie test is all the complainant needs to prove. The burden is then placed on the defendant to show that he is innocent of wrongdoing…

Read more at:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt...

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#36587 Jan 31, 2013
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#36588 Jan 31, 2013
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#36589 Jan 31, 2013
The RATchitt Catchers wrote:
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Laugh at your own silly behaviour, because no one else does. How old are you 10?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36590 Jan 31, 2013
A strange case of Unanimity:

Have you people observed? I have seen recently a strange case of unanimity amongst the various religious groups populating our planet at this time.

Let me elaborate a little:

A. Jews:

They say, we have some "problems" with our scriptures, we are not very sure who actually wrote these books, and we have some problems with practicalability of some of our practices and rituals in current times……

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

B. Christians:

They say "While we are not sure who actually wrote these Gospels and we are not sure how St. Paul got access to Jesus and there are so many sects and denominations in Christianity and we do not know "for sure" which one has "Holy Spirit" inside them and we are not "United on Homosexuality, Abortion, Divorce and a few other burning issues…..

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

C. Hindus:

They say "We have "some problems" on how to define who is Hindu, and we have no central belief system or single scripture, we have so many denominations that we cannot keep track on them, and we just try to pose a united face to outside world….

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

D. Buddhists:

They say "While we are not sure what were the "original teachings" of Lord Buddha and how they reached down to us and we do not know "who" started this practice of erecting the status of Lord Buddha and worship it, we do not have any code of law so to say…..

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

E. Sikhs:

They say "We are not really sure that Guru Nanak brought a New religion and we do not have a complete code of law and our Guru Granth Sahib has contributions from many person, and we follow many Hindu laws and ceremonies and their code in our daily life….

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

F. Modern Materialists:

They say "While we do not support any religious group and we have some reservations about every religion, we see some good things in almost every religion (with the exception of only one religion)…. And we can see the utility of these religions in distant past……

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

G. Atheists:

They say "All these religions are man made and served needs to some vested interests in their times, they might have saved some socities from disintegration in times gone by……we think most of these religions have served their purpose and have nothing to offer in our times….

But one thing about which we are 100 % sure is that Quran is false and Your Prophet is a false Prophet.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36591 Jan 31, 2013
Strange Unanimity:

1. Do you not think that this is a strange behaviour. While these different groups are hardly united on any other issue, the thing they are united on is that "Quran is false and Our prophet is a false Prophet"

2. And this is what Quran said "After Truth, what is left, but the falsehood"? And our prophet said "All these who reject Islam are one group" and we see that all Non Muslims unite when there is any dispute with any Muslim country.

3. So is this situation scary? And Muslims should feel afraid? By no means, it is for good of Muslims, it is high time for them to come back to Islam and unite and pose a united front to enemies of Islam.

4. Had the situation been different and some of these Non Muslims were backing and supporting Muslims, there would have been some room for doubt.

PS:

And actually this "unanimity" of all Non Muslim religions and religious groups against Islam, has guided many people to Accept Islam!!

They were amazed to see so much anti Islamic bias in these diverse groups, who do not agree on any single issue.

This strange behaviour told them that Islam must be right and all these religious groups are 'afraid" of Islam!!
MUQ More Taqiyya

Australia

#36592 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Strange Unanimity:
1. Do you not think that this is a strange behaviour. While these different groups are hardly united on any other issue, the thing they are united on is that "Quran is false and Our prophet is a false Prophet"
2. And this is what Quran said "After Truth, what is left, but the falsehood"? And our prophet said "All these who reject Islam are one group" and
we see that all Non Muslims unite when there is any dispute with any Muslim country.
3. So is this situation scary? And Muslims should
feel afraid? By no means, it is for good of Muslims, it is high time for them to come back to Islam and unite and pose a united front to enemies of Islam.
4. Had the situation been different and some of these Non Muslims were backing and supporting Muslims, there would have been some room for doubt.
PS:
And actually this "unanimity" of all Non Muslim religions and religious groups against Islam, has guided many people to Accept Islam!!
They were amazed to see so much anti Islamic bias in these diverse groups, who do not agree on any single issue.
This strange behaviour told them that Islam must
be right and all these religious groups are 'afraid" of Islam!!
MUQ no that's incorrect. It's because Islam is so patently and obviously fake it has unanimous opinion to that, with fact to support it.
The Jews have few doubts.
The christians believe the message & don't fuss the detail because unlike Islam they don't have the anxiety or neurosis of living with lies.
Budda said he was neither a god or a prophet so Buddhism is not a compare.
All the rest are nature based animist religions rather than Abrahamic monotheism so not relevant.
Of the 3 (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) what's clear to all is that Islam is a patently fake corrupted apostasy based on lies.
As you know - even Islam itself, three Caliphates in the 9th century declared the Quran was man made, confected, had many things wrong and Muhammad was just one of many 'messengers' of god (code for voices in his head) and got a lot of it wrong.
Islam itself declared itself fake on first principles.
You know why.
Because in the 9th century once Islam reached wider areas of knowledge in the middle east, it became obvious Islam & the Quran and much of Muhammads messages were hopelessly wrong.
These Caliphates attempted to reform and correct Islam but were defeated by Arab fundamentalists who refused any changes despite the facts to the contrary.
And thus Islam has stayed still born ever since.
On the Mongols adopting Islam as a taxing and persecution system then force spread it across India and Asia. The Mongols didn't care it was fake and confected, they liked the rules that promoted fear, subjugation, different truths and the incorporation of pagan nature gods as the primary objects of worship. And that once born into it you have no other choice.
An empire of servile, rote trained indoctrinated, unquestioning violent Taqiyya trained warriors and administrators (eg the mughals) then bred to further their empire, feeding off a base of non believers all in subjugation or sentence of death
paying for it all in a unbeliever tax.
Your forebears and your inheritance.
Based on lies, spread like a disease by a godless Mongol horde until now - where in every culture Islam is being steadily weakened and eroded as knowledge, choice and freedom liberates Muslims from their darkness.

Tom

Australia

#36593 Feb 1, 2013
Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

MUQ, while you waffle on about things that happened 20 century's ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/world/asia/...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/world/middl...

I know you don't like to discuss current and relevant issues.

But I put to you that the muslim world is a complete and current failure.

Is there any musims in a muslim country that live in peace ?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36594 Feb 1, 2013
Serpent wrote:
01. Oh wise muslim one, why don't you tell us what we will find out if we look behind these smiling faces???

02. You stupid barbaric Muslims, you have no beauty in your culture, no dance, no music, no laughter, no theater, no sports, no such equivalent of Olympics, no volunteering to help other nations in times of disasters, etc etc etc
Your just a bunch of ignorant barbarians who like to have four wives to make yourself feel important. You Muslims are a waste of humanity!!
Ans.

01. If we look behind smiling faces of Muslims, we will find the same Islamic faces!!

02. Thank you for rating us so low. But then why are you afraid of Muslims if they count for nothing?

How come Islam is spreading in your nations?

And why are you "afraid" of Muslims?

And that is the Topic of this Thread, is it not!!

Boy when you are so much afraid of Muslims when they account for "nothing in the world", what would be your condition when they become united and "account for something in the world"?

Perhaps you would pee in your pants!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36595 Feb 1, 2013
Braddock wrote:
01. Ok, so we agree that not only other religions followers fall from the righteous path but muslims also falter from there path, but answer me this.

02. Why is it only muslims who are beheading people all around the world ?

03. Why are there no reports of Islamic mosques being burned down by christians in any country

04. Why is the concept of family honour killing practiced in muslim societies only ?

05. Why do muslims throw acid in to the faces of girls who refuse to marry them ?

05. When any of the muslims mentioned above are asked to justify there evil deeds they site words straight out of your Koran as justification.



06. Why didn't mohummed preach turn the other cheek like Jesus did? you know why that is such an important message ?

Ans.

I think most parts of your post have been answered by me many times over and you come back with it again and again.

So I will answer only one part of your post where you asked,

"Why Our Prophet did not teach to turn Other Cheek like Jesus did"

I will answer this question, looking at it from different angles:

A. Our prophet did not preach "turn the other cheek, because he Knew what happened to the guy who preached it before him. He was dragged and crucified that a Petty Criminal and no one came to his help". Why would he want the same fate?!!

B. Jesus' followers never practices "Turn the Other Cheek", neither in old time, nor in ant times in the history.

"Turn the Other Cheek" remains only in the books, while Christians murdered more humans in human history than any other nations combined. I will give some examples from their 2000 years history:

a. Why Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and started Crusade wars with Muslims?

b. Why Christian did not "turn the other cheek" and persecuted Jews for past 2000 years in every Christian country?

c. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and killed every Muslim in Spain.

d. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" to Hitler and had WW-2 that killed more humans than any other war?

e. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" after Pearl Harbour attack and let "bygones be bygones"

f. Why Christians did not forget and "turn the other cheek" after 9/11 attacks and let the peace prevail in the world?

So by no means "turn the other cheek" has been the policy of Christians except in their books.

B. "turn the other cheek" is against human nature and can never be practiced as a "Fundamental Principle of any state or society". It is only a good trait to have but on an individual level. Quran gave instructions regarding this at many places.

C. Our prophet did showed "turn the other cheek" when he was in the Position of Power.!! And that is the time when you can "turn the other cheek"!

Not when you are weak and persecuted. At that time you have "no Option" but to turn the other cheek!!

Like Prophet Joseph, who pardoned his brothers for all that they have done to him, once he gained power in Egypt and could punish them….

Our prophet when he conquered Makkah and all those who had persecuted him and his followers for past 20 years, his worst enemies were standing before him in the courtyard of Kaaba….. our prophet just "turn the other cheek" and said, go your are free!!

That is the Way how you "turn the other cheek"!! Not the jesus' way!!

(Contd.)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36596 Feb 1, 2013
PS:

a. Christians and other Non Muslims are killing Muslims almost daily in different parts of the world. Burma, Kashmir, Palestine, Philippines and many other "hot spots" are there.

b. There are reports of Mosques being attacked in many Western countries. This Media hype has to brainwash some people, will it not.

c. Family honor killing is not only to Muslims. We see so many societies in India punishing people for crimes which are against their "family honor".

d. Quran does not mislead any one, if that was the case, you should point out to that verse and let us have a discussion on them. And who mislead all these Christians into doing acts which are "against teachings of Bible"?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36597 Feb 1, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

The Original Sin (Inherited Sin) and Repentance

As a Christian, I was taught to believe that sin is inherited right from the first man, Adam, down to our parents and unto us. That is by disobeying God’s command not to eat of the forbidden fruit of knowledge, Adam sinned and this sin was passed down and inherited by all children of Adam and so all humans are sinful.

(Romans 3:23-2 and 5:12)

We were also taught that requirement of God’s justice is that a price is to be paid for every sin. This means that God CANNOT and WILLNOT allow a Single sin to go unpunished and therefore the ONLY thing that can wipe out our sin is shedding of blood.

“Without the shedding of blood is no remission (Hebrews 9:22)

Thus in Christianity, the recompense of sin is death, therefore death came to us due to sin of our first parents. Had Adam and Eve not sinned, there would be no death…

According to what I was taught in Christianity, since sin came into world thru one man, it was LOGICAL for it it to be removed thru one man, the second Adam, Jesus Christ.

This is how the formula for the concept of atonement was derived. We were taught that when Adam sinned against God, he was cut off from God and thus all of his descendents were also cut off from God. However when jesus came and died on the cross for sins of the world, humanity was therefore reconciled to God.

This was all according to Paul’s teachings (Roman 5:11 and Romans, 5:18-19)

Everybody was doomed to suffer eternally in hell, unless he accepted the atonement, which was a free gift ..

After doing much research on this doctrine of the Christian faith, I found that like many other Christian beliefs, the concept of hereditary had no support. This was not only evident in the words of Jesus but all prophets which came before him.

Prophet Moses taught “The Fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin”(Deut. 24:16)

Prophet Jeremiah says “In those days they shall say no more, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge, but every one shall die for his one equity..”(Jeremiah 31:29)

Prophet Ezekiel says “The soul that sins shall die, the son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall father bear inequity of the son….but if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed and keep all my statues…he shall not die”(Ez. 18:20-21)

I learnt from Islam that there is no such thing as “original sin”. And that all children are pure and sinless at birth. Also sin is not something which is inherited.

I found that humans are created with tendency to do good or do bad, they have the free will to chose whichever path they want to follow and they shall be judged according to which path they took.

The sin of Adam was forgiven once he repented sincerely and therefore it was not inherited by any of his children.

So the idea of original sin and sin being inherited is very illogical and it means that entire human race is condemned for the sin committed by our first parents thousands of years ago.

Then what about all those prophets of God and men of faith which are mentioned in Biblical stories? What happened to them till the Jesus appeared on the scene? What about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Isaiah, John the Baptist, etc.?

It is height of misanthropy and cynicism for children to be considered sinful from the time of their birth.

(Abridged)

IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa

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#36598 Feb 1, 2013
Never trust a muslim and never believe a muslim!!!

They even blame a dog for their own action...

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#36599 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-
The Original Sin (Inherited Sin) and Repentance
As a Christian, I was taught to believe that sin is inherited right from the first man, Adam, down to our parents and unto us. That is by disobeying God’s command not to eat of the forbidden fruit of knowledge, Adam sinned and this sin was passed down and inherited by all children of Adam and so all humans are sinful.
(Romans 3:23-2 and 5:12)
We were also taught that requirement of God’s justice is that a price is to be paid for every sin. This means that God CANNOT and WILLNOT allow a Single sin to go unpunished and therefore the ONLY thing that can wipe out our sin is shedding of blood.
“Without the shedding of blood is no remission (Hebrews 9:22)
Thus in Christianity, the recompense of sin is death, therefore death came to us due to sin of our first parents. Had Adam and Eve not sinned, there would be no death…
According to what I was taught in Christianity, since sin came into world thru one man, it was LOGICAL for it it to be removed thru one man, the second Adam, Jesus Christ.
This is how the formula for the concept of atonement was derived. We were taught that when Adam sinned against God, he was cut off from God and thus all of his descendents were also cut off from God. However when jesus came and died on the cross for sins of the world, humanity was therefore reconciled to God.
This was all according to Paul’s teachings (Roman 5:11 and Romans, 5:18-19)
Everybody was doomed to suffer eternally in hell, unless he accepted the atonement, which was a free gift ..
After doing much research on this doctrine of the Christian faith, I found that like many other Christian beliefs, the concept of hereditary had no support. This was not only evident in the words of Jesus but all prophets which came before him.
Prophet Moses taught “The Fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin”(Deut. 24:16)
Prophet Jeremiah says “In those days they shall say no more, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge, but every one shall die for his one equity..”(Jeremiah 31:29)
Prophet Ezekiel says “The soul that sins shall die, the son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall father bear inequity of the son….but if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed and keep all my statues…he shall not die”(Ez. 18:20-21)
I learnt from Islam that there is no such thing as “original sin”. And that all children are pure and sinless at birth. Also sin is not something which is inherited.
I found that humans are created with tendency to do good or do bad, they have the free will to chose whichever path they want to follow and they shall be judged according to which path they took.
The sin of Adam was forgiven once he repented sincerely and therefore it was not inherited by any of his children.
So the idea of original sin and sin being inherited is very illogical and it means that entire human race is condemned for the sin committed by our first parents thousands of years ago.
Then what about all those prophets of God and men of faith which are mentioned in Biblical stories? What happened to them till the Jesus appeared on the scene? What about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Isaiah, John the Baptist, etc.?
It is height of misanthropy and cynicism for children to be considered sinful from the time of their birth.
(Abridged)
IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa
Does this mean you will now receive your Wealth and sex in heaven if you slay Non-Muslims?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36600 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
MUQ no that's incorrect. It's because Islam is so patently and obviously fake it has unanimous opinion to that, with fact to support it.

The Jews have few doubts.

The Christians believe the message & don't fuss the detail because unlike Islam they don't have the anxiety or neurosis of living with lies.

Buddha said he was neither a god or a prophet so Buddhism is not a compare.

All the rest are nature based animist religions rather than Abrahamic monotheism so not relevant.

Of the 3 (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) what's clear to all is that Islam is a patently fake corrupted apostasy based on lies.

As you know - even Islam itself, three Caliphates in the 9th century declared the Quran was man made, confected, had many things wrong and Muhammad was just one of many 'messengers' of god (code for voices in his head) and got a lot of it wrong.

Islam itself declared itself fake on first principles. You know why.

Because in the 9th century once Islam reached wider areas of knowledge in the middle east, it became obvious Islam & the Quran and much of Muhammad's messages were hopelessly wrong.

These Caliphates attempted to reform and correct Islam but were defeated by Arab fundamentalists who refused any changes despite the facts to the contrary.
And thus Islam has stayed still born ever since.

On the Mongols adopting Islam as a taxing and persecution system then force spread it across India and Asia. The Mongols didn't care it was fake and confected, they liked the rules that promoted fear, subjugation, different truths and the incorporation of pagan nature gods as the primary objects of worship. And that once born into it you have no other choice.

An empire of servile, rote trained indoctrinated, unquestioning violent Taqiyya trained warriors and administrators (eg the mughals) then bred to further their empire, feeding off a base of non believers all in subjugation or sentence of death
paying for it all in a unbeliever tax.

Your forebears and your inheritance.
Based on lies, spread like a disease by a godless Mongol horde until now - where in every culture Islam is being steadily weakened and eroded as knowledge, choice and freedom liberates Muslims from their darkness.
Ans.

Just trying to "gloss over" your own difficulties and putting all your venom against Islam, are you?

But the more your try, the more you fail, that is the fate of falsehood?

So Jews have "few" doubts. After "insulating themselves" in a "watertight compartment" what else they can do? Living like "frogs in their own well"!!

And you say "Christians do not worry about the details" (So long as Jesus died for them!!)….just glossing over the inter clan wars that kept Christians busy for many centuries. Just do not know your own history? Do you

And who were those "three ninth century Caliphs that declared Quran as fake" ? Never heard of them?

And if Quran is fake, why can't people write another book like Quran (as they have done for Gospels, they penned down more than 100, all "aided" by the Holy Ghost)!!

And then you just gloss over Islam conquering the Tatars, whom neither Christianity, nor Judaism nor Buddhism could control.

You accuse me of Taqiyya, but your own post is full of it.

Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36601 Feb 1, 2013
my2000cents wrote:
Never trust a muslim and never believe a muslim!!!
They even blame a dog for their own action...
You mean if you cannot discuss them logically, shut your ears and eyes and "pretend" they do not exist? Nice try!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36602 Feb 1, 2013
Republican Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
Does this mean you will now receive your Wealth and sex in heaven if you slay Non-Muslims?
Do you work in the "misinformation department" of MOD?

You must have received F-- in your English grammar class, making Synopsis of a given passage!!

SandCastle

Forestville, Australia

#36603 Feb 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I think most parts of your post have been answered by me many times over and you come back with it again and again.
So I will answer only one part of your post where you asked,
"Why Our Prophet did not teach to turn Other Cheek like Jesus did"
I will answer this question, looking at it from different angles:
A. Our prophet did not preach "turn the other cheek, because he Knew what happened to the guy who preached it before him. He was dragged and crucified that a Petty Criminal and no one came to his help". Why would he want the same fate?!!
B. Jesus' followers never practices "Turn the Other Cheek", neither in old time, nor in ant times in the history.
"Turn the Other Cheek" remains only in the books, while Christians murdered more humans in human history than any other nations combined. I will give some examples from their 2000 years history:
a. Why Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and started Crusade wars with Muslims?
b. Why Christian did not "turn the other cheek" and persecuted Jews for past 2000 years in every Christian country?
c. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" and killed every Muslim in Spain.
d. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" to Hitler and had WW-2 that killed more humans than any other war?
e. Why the Christians did not "turn the other cheek" after Pearl Harbour attack and let "bygones be bygones"
f. Why Christians did not forget and "turn the other cheek" after 9/11 attacks and let the peace prevail in the world?
So by no means "turn the other cheek" has been the policy of Christians except in their books.
B. "turn the other cheek" is against human nature and can never be practiced as a "Fundamental Principle of any state or society". It is only a good trait to have but on an individual level. Quran gave instructions regarding this at many places.
C. Our prophet did showed "turn the other cheek" when he was in the Position of Power.!! And that is the time when you can "turn the other cheek"!
Not when you are weak and persecuted. At that time you have "no Option" but to turn the other cheek!!
Like Prophet Joseph, who pardoned his brothers for all that they have done to him, once he gained power in Egypt and could punish them….
Our prophet when he conquered Makkah and all those who had persecuted him and his followers for past 20 years, his worst enemies were standing before him in the courtyard of Kaaba….. our prophet just "turn the other cheek" and said, go your are free!!
That is the Way how you "turn the other cheek"!! Not the jesus' way!!
(Contd.)
TBH, most of the above were not exactly perpetuated by a Christian denominated government and some are not exactly a fair example.
e.g. WW2. Europeans were the most ahead technologically, militarily, economically so off course when war was waged, it was brutal. When world war one started, soldiers were directed in the imperial manner; have a volley shots and then bayonet charge against machine guns.

World War 2 was when aeroplanes were a feasible form of warfare; Germans begun bombing England and sending missiles on urban centres so off course the Allies decided to give back the same as well. The atom bomb saved millions of Bushido brainwashed bamboo wielding citizens of elderly and children from an American land force invasion; millions of Chinese were liberated from mass slaughters, rapes, medical attrocities etc...

This type of violent warfare dates back to Napoleon and before and China has been doing that for most of its history.
I am not justifying, just clarifying.

And yes, I do however perfectly understand your angle of reasoning. We should not always blame islam when these sorts of attrocities in war happen. People who will always act like savages in war.

I do believe two wrongs don't make a right. I do not understand how you have justified rape. Rape should be a firm no, and anyone caught should rot in jail. Period.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36604 Feb 2, 2013
Sand wrote:
TBH, most of the above were not exactly perpetuated by a Christian denominated government and some are not exactly a fair example.

e.g. WW2. Europeans were the most ahead technologically, militarily, economically so off course when war was waged, it was brutal. When world war one started, soldiers were directed in the imperial manner; have a volley shots and then bayonet charge against machine guns.

World War 2 was when airplanes were a feasible form of warfare; Germans begun bombing England and sending missiles on urban centers so off course the Allies decided to give back the same as well.

The atom bomb saved millions of Bushido brainwashed bamboo wielding citizens of elderly and children from an American land force invasion; millions of Chinese were liberated from mass slaughters, rapes, medical atrocities etc...

This type of violent warfare dates back to Napoleon and before and China has been doing that for most of its history.
I am not justifying, just clarifying.

And yes, I do however perfectly understand your angle of reasoning. We should not always blame islam when these sorts of atrocities in war happen.

People who will always act like savages in war.

I do believe two wrongs don't make a right. I do not understand how you have justified rape. Rape should be a firm no, and anyone caught should rot in jail. Period.
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So you have to provide "apology" for every action that Christians did in the wars?

You apparently forget the point of discussion, it was that Jesus preached "turn the other Cheek"…..while the prophet Mohammad taught that "Hit the one who slaps you on the cheeck"

Seen in that light, the Christians would have been turning "the Other Cheek" whenever they are hit, but we "never" seen them being in practice.

They hit back and they cause many times more damage than what was done to them, and still they claim "Copy right" on "Turning the other cheek".

And they always accuse islam and prophet of islam for inserting that "barbarism" as part of their religion.

Dual standards as always. Justify or play down your own mistakes and amplify and make maximum noise on similar or lesser mistakes of your opponents.

My point is that these teachings like "Love your enemy" and "Turn the Other Cheek" look good at a press copy, but they can "never" be the basis of any civilization. They are against human nature to be made as Fundamental articles of your Policy.

Like some learned western Scholar said "When I compare the simple teachings of Jesus and compare it with the teachings of Prophet of Islam, the picture is like a small boy speaking in front of a Experienced and Learned man who has seen the world"

Islamic teachings of rape are very clear. Death to the rapist and death to the adulterer and adulteress.

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#36605 Feb 2, 2013
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01. If we look behind smiling faces of Muslims, we will find the same Islamic faces!!
02. Thank you for rating us so low. But then why are you afraid of Muslims if they count for nothing?
How come Islam is spreading in your nations?
And why are you "afraid" of Muslims?
And that is the Topic of this Thread, is it not!!
Boy when you are so much afraid of Muslims when they account for "nothing in the world", what would be your condition when they become united and "account for something in the world"?
Perhaps you would pee in your pants!!
The reason Islam is spreading in the West is because of countries like Australia showing pity and allowing your entry by lawfull and un lawfull means followed by 10 fold child birth .
Have a look at the numbers of ilegal entries by boat from Indonesia,these same peoples have flown through many Muslim countries to arrive here to take advantage of our liberal governence and welfare system and they have no intention of ever becoming Australian much like any other country you move into.

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