Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ is there any Islamic nation that lives in peace.
The "Stan" countries where the majority are islam are quite successful. Not perfect, but angelic in comparison.

All religions live side by side harmoniously, some of these are democracy, some are Shariah, socialist etc... They have a lot of different people settling in these countries. Europeans living in them, central asians, "bloodthirsty" mongols etc...

Terrorist attacks are rarely an issue in these parts of the world. Suicide bombers have not become a popular concept.

Along with that, they in the muslim world have the highest HDI, literacy rate, education and far less bloodthirtsy then their southern neighbours/brothers.

Do you see how education, tolerance and living standards play a huge part in the religious psyche of an Islamic nation?

I sincerely hope the "lip-speak, hypocritical" islam does not reach these plains.
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MUQ is there any Islamic nation that lives in peace.
There is not a single "Islamic country" in the world. There are many "Muslim countries" in the world.

That is the problem with Muslims today, the day there would be an Islamic country, it "has" to live in peace.

That is what I am trying to say all along. People do not understand the difference between Islamic country and Muslim country.
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My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

The Divine Sonship of Jesus

I was also taught to believe that Jesus Christ is Son of God in a special and exclusive sense, that he is the only Begotten Son, God Begotten, not made. In fact the most famous verse of the Bible that was used to support this belief is in the Gospel of John 3:16 which says

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish…”

However, when I went thru the debate of Ahmad Deedat with Dr. ANIS SHOURSH ‘the liberated Palestinian” titled “Is Jesus God?”, I found that this dogma of Jesus being the Only Begotten Son did not conform to the sayings and teachings of Jesus himself.

The term son of God is used in many places in Bible and so many persons are entitled with this term. Jacob, David, Solomon, Adam and others are also named as Sons of God.

So the term Son of God means nothing more than nearness to God in love and piety….sayings of Jesus as recorded in Gospels left me in no doubt that phrase “Son of God” meant nothing special and it was used in the same sense as was used for earlier prophets of God.

Our pastors in Church always use the verse John 10:30 to “prove” that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. But of we study this verse in its whole context John 10: 22-36, it becomes clear that Jesus never claimed what Church is preaching to us…

So again I found that reason, logic and common sense were on the side of Islam. The claim of Christianity that Jesus was a Begotten Son of God is some special sense is based on their wrong interpretation and quoting Biblical verses out of context.

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There is not a single "Islamic country" in the world. There are many "Muslim countries" in the world.
That is the problem with Muslims today, the day there would be an Islamic country, it "has" to live in peace.
That is what I am trying to say all along. People do not understand the difference between Islamic country and Muslim country.
Whilst I don't agree with the teachings of the catholic church they all believe the same basic tenents in regards their religion unlike Islam

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There is not a single "Islamic country" in the world. There are many "Muslim countries" in the world.
That is the problem with Muslims today, the day there would be an Islamic country, it "has" to live in peace.
That is what I am trying to say all along. People do not understand the difference between Islamic country and Muslim country.
Oh call it want you want to call it, but all these Muslims in Islamic countries behave like the barbarians that they are. They can't build sh^t, they can't organize sh^t, all they can do is kill others and cause problems for everyone.
What a useless group of people. Have they ever made any contribution to the world at large? Ans. No.
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Whilst I don't agree with the teachings of the catholic church they all believe the same basic tenents in regards their religion unlike Islam
Believing and Putting into practice are two different things.

Whilst there are 2.5 Billion Catholic Christians in the world today, there is "Not a Single Country in the world" which is run according to Catholic beliefs!!

So there is not a Single Catholic Nation in the whole world.

And the same applies to Islamic Nation too. There are many Muslim countries in the world, but not a single Islamic country.

And there is a struggle in Muslim countries to become Islamic, whilst the Christians are "content" to live as they are and there is no move to turn their countries into Catholic country.

Therefore these 2.5 Billion Roman catholics in reality mean nothing!!
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Jan 29, 2013
 
Hello wrote:
1) Debating the ins and outs of old writings contemporaneously is counterproductive and achieves nothing.

2)Thank you, glad you acknowledged that.

3)I disagree with saying 'most pay lip service'. A percentage certainly do but probably not the majority. I will certainly say though, there are those who have there own 'bastardized' version of those branches of religion, who have twisted those philosophies to meet their own self serving requirements. I would refer to those as aberrations and cults.

4)Totally disagree with you here. The Muslims who say the represent 'true Islam" present as the most extreme and intolerant. The same Muslims would invoke Shariah law and claim that is 'true islam.

5)Yes and No, but your answer is flawed in that also non western nations are supplying weapons to Islamic nations...

6)I don't entirely follow your question, please rephrase. You have skipped from first to second and third person.

7)That is not true MUQ. Video recordings have been shown in Australia of inflammatory and racist commentary behind those close doors. One Sheik due to speak was withdrawn from his scheduled speaking duties due to the outrage and controversy.

I have walked past those doors and been verbally/racially abused by young muslims with bad attitudes, I be most foolish to then attempt to walk in those doors.

8)It's disturbing that when there are such events of holding signs of "behead those who offend the prophet" , that there is widespread condemnation indeed, but can only recall TWO muslims, public or otherwise, speaking out against that sign.
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Here are short replies on your latest post.

01. Ins and outs of "Old Scriptures" are very fundamental to know what are the real teachings of Islam. Unless we know them, how can we judge actions of any Muslims.

03. Here you contradict yourself, saying that some follow "bastardized version" of what they think is Islam. So you agree that these people "mutilate" Islam to their own purposes.

04. Again you contradict yourself here. Unless you know what is True islam, how can you take people at their face value?

What you need is to understand clearly what are teachings of Islam and then check whether any Muslim adheres to that.

05. Your answer is based on your subjective observation. There could be no clear answers in these situations. Western nations supplying arms to both warring factions can be seen by any one observing the conflict.

07. You cannot generalize based on a few cases. Mosques are not a restricted place. They are open to all people. I don’t know what experience you had, if your intentions are not OK, may be people will get suspicious.

08. The "best way" if you do not want to see these "placards" is not to "insult" the prophet!!

Why should you think "It is your right to insult our prophet"? We Muslims do not insult Jesus, Moses or any prophet of God.

Why should you not learn some "good things" from Muslims, for a change!!
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Jan 29, 2013
 
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01. Oh call it want you want to call it, but all these Muslims in Islamic countries behave like the barbarians that they are.

02. They can't build sh^t, they can't organize sh^t, all they can do is kill others and cause problems for everyone.

03. What a useless group of people. Have they ever made any contribution to the world at large? Ans. No.
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01. You are wrong here, there is not a Single Islamic country in the world these days. You should have said "These Muslims is the Muslim countries….."

02. No comment.

03. You have no idea of world history? Do you?

Just check which group was in the forefront during 7th to 15th Century?

Where the Fire of Knowledge was buring in full light when Europe was engulfed in those dark centuries?

As some one said "Muslims were taking baths in heated Public Baths and using soap to clean their faces , when most Europeans thought that soap is name of some exquisite wine"!!

You are excused for having poor knowledge of world history!!
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If it was "God's Decree" to give Holy Land to the "Sole Possession" of Jews, then History tells us that Jews have been "Sole possessors" of Holy Land for a very less period in their whole history?
What does it prove? Either that God made a "False Promise".
Or that Promise is not from God but some "Zealous hand" put it into Scriptures!!
God does not make "empty Promises", does He?
Even with Full Support of all Christian Nations, Jews are not Controlling Whole Area of Palestine!!
Is this not a Miracle?
But their are "Die-Hard supporters like you, who keep on repeating like parrots, God Gave the Land of Palestine for an Everlasting possession to jews.
If God gave them the land, then who took it from their hands? Are men "More Powerful" than God?
But how can one argue with zombies like you, who do not see some thing as evident as this!!
Well lets look at it this way, If God wanted the Muslims to have Israel, why cant 1.5 billion Muslims, with the help of Allah, kick out a few million Jews?

I mean Allah and 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS??

I think God is saying something, but you are just not listening.
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Believing and Putting into practice are two different things.
Whilst there are 2.5 Billion Catholic Christians in the world today, there is "Not a Single Country in the world" which is run according to Catholic beliefs!!
So there is not a Single Catholic Nation in the whole world.
And the same applies to Islamic Nation too. There are many Muslim countries in the world, but not a single Islamic country.
And there is a struggle in Muslim countries to become Islamic, whilst the Christians are "content" to live as they are and there is no move to turn their countries into Catholic country.
Therefore these 2.5 Billion Roman catholics in reality mean nothing!!
Actually there are only 900 million Catholics

and there is one country run 100% along catholic beliefs, its call the Vatican City.

Get you facts right stupid.
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Ans.
Here are short replies on your latest post.
01. Ins and outs of "Old Scriptures" are very fundamental to know what are the real teachings of Islam. Unless we know them, how can we judge actions of any Muslims.
03. Here you contradict yourself, saying that some follow "bastardized version" of what they think is Islam. So you agree that these people "mutilate" Islam to their own purposes.
04. Again you contradict yourself here. Unless you know what is True islam, how can you take people at their face value?
What you need is to understand clearly what are teachings of Islam and then check whether any Muslim adheres to that.

05. Your answer is based on your subjective observation. There could be no clear answers in these situations. Western nations supplying arms to both warring factions can be seen by any one observing the conflict.
07. You cannot generalize based on a few cases. Mosques are not a restricted place. They are open to all people. I don’t know what experience you had, if your intentions are not OK, may be people will get suspicious.
08. The "best way" if you do not want to see these "placards" is not to "insult" the prophet!!
Why should you think "It is your right to insult our prophet"? We Muslims do not insult Jesus, Moses or any prophet of God.
Why should you not learn some "good things" from Muslims, for a change!!
I keep hearing how there is no one following the true Islam, yet it no one is doing that, how would YOU know? If it is so hard to understand, that must mean you allah is not that smart? If he was smart he would not have made so many mistakes in the Qu'ran?
So do you blame Allah for being stupid?

Or maybe you are stupid? Or maybe all Muslims are stupid? Who are you blaming? Surely not Allah, because in the Qu'ran it says all things are ordained by Allah, So allah has F**ked up pretty bad hasnt he?

Well MUQ?

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02. I do accept that present day Muslims are not the best example of what True Muslims should be.
Hello MUQ ,there is the big problem that even Islam cannot solve it's own corruption including that of extremists who have their own agenda.
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Hello MUQ ,there is the big problem that even Islam cannot solve it's own corruption including that of extremists who have their own agenda.
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Jess wrote:
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I keep hearing how there is no one following the true Islam, yet it no one is doing that, how would YOU know? If it is so hard to understand, that must mean you allah is not that smart? If he was smart he would not have made so many mistakes in the Qu'ran?
So do you blame Allah for being stupid?
Or maybe you are stupid? Or maybe all Muslims are stupid? Who are you blaming? Surely not Allah, because in the Qu'ran it says all things are ordained by Allah, So allah has F**ked up pretty bad hasnt he?
Well MUQ?
When Allah made those words available to Muhammad why then aren't Muslims not praying directly to Allah instead of the messenger Muhammad and not the prophet he portrayed himself to be ?

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You should read my words carefully as they may have a message for you
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