Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46810 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Since: Oct 12

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#36366 Jan 23, 2013
Serpent wrote:
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There are engineers and then there are engineers.
I haven't met one yet that is Indian that can be truely called a real Engineer.
Totally agree! Just had to fire one! He had a certificate as engineer but probably bought it in Bombay! He had no knowledge what so ever.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36367 Jan 24, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

Trinity (Contd.)

Even the Catholic Encyclopedia says:

“It is difficult in the second half of 20th Century to offer a clear, objective and straight forward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution and theological elaboration of the mystery of Trinity … it was in the last quarter of fourth century when definitive Trinitarian Dogma “One God in three persons” became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thoughts”

And it also says more categorically:

“The formulation “one God in three persons” was not solidly established into Christian life and its profession prior to the end of fourth century. But it is this formula about which the Apostolic Fathers having no not even remote knowledge”

Eaton’s Bible dictionary writes under the word “Trinity”

“ A word not found in scripture, but used to express the doctrine of unity of God in three distinct Persons….this word was first used by THEOPHILUS (168-183 AD) or by TERTULIAN (d. 220 CE) to express this doctrine…..

Thus the doctrine of Trinity was a later development that came as a consequence of deification of two creatures, Jesus Christ and the mysterious Holy Spirit. This due to their association with God as partners was invented and used by ATHNASIUS, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria and subsequently accepted and canonized by the council of NICEA in 325 CE.

Whether considered from a Historical prospective or otherwise, it is a regression from rational theology to mythology. For at the root of all mythologies lies the irrational tendency of the human mind to deify the great men into Devine Persons.

I learned that in Islam, Allah Almighty was the only Unique Creator, Cherisher, Sustainer, and Governor of all that exists, that He is one in Person, and One in Substance, the two being indistinguishable.

Allah is the only Self-Subsistence one and the Self Sufficient who is independent of all needs and all are dependent on Him.

Following verses of Quran explain these qualities:

“See he is Allah the Only and Only, Allah the Eternal, Absolute, He begets not, neither is He begotten and there is none unto like Him”(112:1-4)

And “Allah, there is no god but He, The Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can cease him nor sleep. His are all the things in the heavens and on the earth.

“Who is there who can intercede in His presence, except as He permits? He knows what is before and after or behind them (His creatures). Nor shall they compass anything of His knowledge except as He wills.

“His throne extends over the heavens and on the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, for He is Most High, the Supreme”(2:255, the Verse of Throne)

(Abridged)

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Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36370 Jan 24, 2013
More muslim customs acting in the footsteps of mohummed and his marrage to a child.

Rather than protect these presous little girls islamic custom is to prostertute them.

And MUQ would have us turn from a rightous loving god towards his pedophlic religion.

Syrian female refugees aged 14 and 15 who fled their country to Jordan and Iraq are being forced into “pleasure marriages”(Nikah al-Mut’ah)— a pre-Islamic custom allowing men to marry for a limited period.

Apart from being a cover for legalized prostitution (the marriage can last for as little as 30 minutes), Nikah al-Mut’ah deprives the wife of many rights.

No divorce is necessary in “pleasure marriages,” for instance, and the husband may void the marriage earlier than agreed.

What is most disturbing about this practice is not even whether or not the wife has rights, so much as that Muslim scholars and preachers have given the green light to their followers to exploit the plight of the poor and helpless Syrian girls.

Muslim men from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries have in the past few weeks asked their embassies in Amman and Baghdad to help them find Syrian girls living in makeshift refugee camps in Jordan and Iraq.

This is happening at a time when the oil-rich Arab countries are doing almost nothing to help the tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who are living in extremely difficult conditions.

Some Arab human rights activists have condemned the phenomenon, but their voice has thus far fallen on deaf ears.

Muslim preachers in a number of Arab countries have been encouraging their followers to engage in “pleasure marriages” with Syrian girls as a way of ridding them and their families of their misery. Some of these preachers have even issued fatwas [Islamic decrees] permitting the sexual exploitation of minors.

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#36371 Jan 24, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I...

So how do you think Muhammad answered this charge? "Say:'Then bring ten forged surahs like it and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.'" The Qur'an is saying that this rubbish smells so sweet it can't be garbage. "No one, short of the great Allah himself, is capable of such a wondrous forgery." If that's not delusional, Webster needs to redefine the word.

There were many who rose to the challenge, creating vastly superior prose. Such enlightened men and women were called poets. Oral recitals were the only means of communication because the Bedouins of Muhammad’s day were illiterate. And having read the Prologue, you know how our hero rewarded the poets who "brought chapters like it." He assassinated them. Dead men tell no tales. Qur'an 11:14 "But if they do not answer you, then know that it is revealed by Allah’s knowledge and no god may be worshiped but He; will you submit?" Submit. Not agree. Not understand. Not even believe. Islam is submission.

Have you ever heard a politician say, "Let me make this perfectly clear?" At that moment all you know for certain is that his or her position is anything but clear. Allah uses the phrase "clear proof" in defense of Muhammad with great regularity. Yet he never provides any proof - clear or otherwise. Qur'an 11:17 "Is [Muhammad] he who has with him clear proof (the Qur'an) from his Lord, a witness from Him reciting it and before it came the Book of Moses? These believe in it; but most men do not believe. The different sects (Jews, Christians, and all other non-Muslim nations) will reject (the Qur'an), so the Fire of Hell will be their promised meeting place."

A second insight here is "most men do not believe." After ten years of preaching to his hometown this prophet inspired less than fifty men. Muhammad was a complete failure as a religious prophet. Islam, the religion of submission, failed in Mecca when Muhammad relied on his words. Islam, the political doctrine of submission succeeded in Medina when Muhammad relied on his sword. Had Muhammad not changed from prophet to pirate, we wouldn't have heard of him and his followers wouldn't be killing us today.

To be continued

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36373 Jan 24, 2013
Hello MUQ,why did Muhhumud need to use the sword to get his message across that he was a prophet ?
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36374 Jan 24, 2013
He used a cutting sword for heads and a pork sword for the kids.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36375 Jan 24, 2013
Jake Bradock wrote:
He used a cutting sword for heads and a pork sword for the kids.
That doesn't help Jake.
The SCREWFIX IT TEAM

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#36376 Jan 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
Hello MUQ,why did Muhhumud need to use the sword to get his message across that he was a prophet ?
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#36377 Jan 24, 2013
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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36378 Jan 24, 2013
NT wrote:
1.

We can't see the difference and that is the danger to us as it is in Islamic countries when some one yells out Allah Akbar and explodes in a market place killing and maiming innocent peoples who prayed to Allah just as much as the murderer.
We care for the innocents whatever your take on it is.

2.

Our nations as you put it aren't like Islamic nations who are always at civil war with each other exampled by the Iran, Iraq war that lasted 8 years or so just so they could kill their fellow Muslims, the Same in Libya and Palestine who fires rockets on Israel knowing that their own peoples will die from the retaliation.

Do we non Muslims get the blame on a whole just because Israel is owned by the Jews ?

How many deaths have occurred before non Muslims turned up to war with a country in the Islamic world.

3.

When you say that Christians have killed more than all others, could you tell me which ones please.
When you say that Islam is growing ,do you include their birth rate in the lands of the infidels ?
Ans.

01. Just because some one shouts “Allah Akbar” while committing some crime would make it “Islamic crime”. People should prove that Islam teaches to kill innocent people.

Islam and sayings of prophet describe killing of innocent men women and children as “One of the Big of the Biggest sins”

02. It is true that there is unrest in many Muslim countries and they are fighting and killing each other. This is a sad state of affairs and the “Main” reason is that people are not following teachings of Islam.

If these Muslims start following Islamic teachings, then these fighting would end.

Non Muslim countries usually are happy with these infighting and help and sell arms to both parties, they are happy that Muslims get weakened by this infighting.

03. Isreal is one of the main source of terror in ME and it is the root from where so many terrorists and extremist organization came into being.

If that root cause is removed, most of the problems with west would end.

04. Any one who reads the history of Christianity, would come to know that it is not one group or sect or denomination whom we can make responsible for all the killings that they did over their 2000 years old history.

Every one took part in it.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36379 Jan 24, 2013
Pin wrote:
01. Ah MUQ, that's 's definitely a Ahl al-Hadith or Deobandi answer. Or a Sunni aspiring to Salifi wahhabi.
It's not a Shia or Bohra answer.
Saudi activily cultivates Indian Muslims to then export in the sunni/shiia war - Esp back to India where the 160m Muslims, 130m non shiia, hold the balance of power against the hindu.

The Ahl-al Hadith (neo wahabbi) use scholarly pretexts & Taqiyya.
The Deobandi (also neo Wahhabi) use rules and fundamentalism and mysticism.

The Sunnis don't really care and no tolerance in SA for them to be allowed to engage in discussion.
The shiia's rarely get into Saudii, they are enemies of the state & would be tracked in
everything they do including internet.

So MUQ, my guess is you are Ahl-el Hadith (not a full beard yet tho) or perhaps early Deobrandi or if not Sunni posturing to want to be salifi/Wahhabi coz that's the easiest way to get SA visa as Indian.

Surprise us and tell us your a Dalit or Shiia Indian national resident in Saudi & not being trained up by SA for export.
Ans.

It is my policy to not discuss internal matters of Islam on these open channel.

I therefore not speak about Shia or Sunni or WAHABI etc.

I speak about Islam and Islam is what is mentioned in Quran and sayings and actions of prophet and his companions.

That is why I am unable to comment further on your post.

You are entitled to your own sectarian view.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36380 Jan 24, 2013
Diabolo wrote:
Dear MUQ.

01. This is just confirmation that you have your head so far up your a.s that you cant look left and right any more.

I am a Engineer too and work in science and we can proof there is no good!!

02. We have no purpose on this earth then have a family, work for each other and for a greater good. Meaning one society one goal to better our self's and make this world a better place.

03. You want to conquer it and kill and rape everyone not sharing your view.

04. You have been brainwashed and its time to step back and realize that you have been filled up with lies and 66 Videos of child pornos. Mohammed was a sociopathic narcissistic person filled with hate and anger. Lets not forget that he molested and abused children the most vulnerable in society.

There are no 100 Virgins waiting for you there is nothing waiting for you. We all just rot away one day.

05. There is one thing you also forget that the western world has the means to wipe you from the face of this earth and Israel is a nuclear power and they have a gut full of you. If there is a war between israel and any other camel nation you know that this will be the end of the world as we know it. And all because of religion?? Com on and get serious. If you are an engineer i assume you are intelligent and you should be capable of tolerance and respect other ways of life.
Its people like you who contaminate the view of others and make it hard for peaceful Muslims to integrate into our society since they have to carry the stigma of people like you.

07. Sorry you were born a Muslim but there is nothing you can change but you have the chance to make a difference now and give your life sense and peace within your self. All you have to do is accept it!
Ans.

I went thru your Boastful post and I think there was really no need for me to post a reply. But I put a short reply.

01. I do not know if all Engineers in your country are like you are and they have same unreasonable approach to life.

02. And who “fixed” that purpose of our life on this earth? You or Engineering Society of your country? Why “must” we look for Greater Good, why not our own individual good?

03. No our purpose is not to kill every one on this planet or force them into Islam, but to preach our message and leave the decision to them.

04. It is strange that you say our prophet mistreated children, I do not know from where you got that info? You should read the life history of our prophet.

05. And it is strange that you say “if we have a fight with Isreal, it would be end of world”…. For past many years your “Superpower Isreal” could not even finish the “small groups” like HAMAS and HIZBOLLAH etc. How would they fare against all Muslims of the world.

06. It was a mercy from God that He gave me the gift of Islam from birth.

But there are people who were born Non Muslims and yet they found the true path of Islam once they studied it with open mind.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36381 Jan 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
Hello MUQ,why did Muhhumud need to use the sword to get his message across that he was a prophet ?
You should ask the same question with Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon....why they needed "sword" to get their message across?

There are prophets who only preach and there are prophets who "establish" Kingdom of God on earth.

And you "need to break" a few shells if you want to make Omelet, don't you?

Our prophet was the "Most peaceful Warrior" the world has ever seen and the world shall ever see!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36382 Jan 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Just because some one shouts “Allah Akbar” while committing some crime would make it “Islamic crime”. People should prove that Islam teaches to kill innocent people.
Islam and sayings of prophet describe killing of innocent men women and children as “One of the Big of the Biggest sins”
02. It is true that there is unrest in many Muslim countries and they are fighting and killing each other. This is a sad state of affairs and the “Main” reason is that people are not following teachings of Islam.
If these Muslims start following Islamic teachings, then these fighting would end.
Non Muslim countries usually are happy with these infighting and help and sell arms to both parties, they are happy that Muslims get weakened by this infighting.
03. Isreal is one of the main source of terror in ME and it is the root from where so many terrorists and extremist organization came into being.
If that root cause is removed, most of the problems with west would end.
04. Any one who reads the history of Christianity, would come to know that it is not one group or sect or denomination whom we can make responsible for all the killings that they did over their 2000 years old history.
Every one took part in it.
No.4 . You blame Christianity but Stalin nor Mao were Christians nor many others who killed many others.
No.3. Muhammad recognized the Jews when he was alive so that means they are of the lands they inhabited within the land in dispute.
The SCREWFIX IT leviTEAM

Tempe, AZ

#36383 Jan 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
No.4 . You blame Christianity but Stalin nor Mao were Christians nor many others who killed many others.
No.3. Muhammad recognized the Jews when he was alive so that means they are of the lands they inhabited within the land in dispute.
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Since: Jun 12

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#36384 Jan 24, 2013
Police step up investigation into Gillard’s AWU scandal


Andrew Bolt
January 24 2013 (8:08am)

The AWU scandal

Mark Baker on the scandal that keeps dogging the Prime Minister - and an investigation homing in on one aspect that could prove especially embarrassing:

VICTORIAN detectives have expanded their investigation into the purchase of a Fitzroy house with union slush fund money controlled by the disgraced former boyfriend of Prime Minister Julia Gillard.…

Part of the investigation is believed to involve a power of attorney document prepared and witnessed by Ms Gillard - then a salaried partner at Slater & Gordon - that her boyfriend and senior Australian Workers Union official Bruce Wilson used to buy the house in the name of union crony Ralph Blewitt.

Mr Blewitt, who is assisting the fraud squad investigation, has claimed he did not see the document until after the auction, which was attended by Mr Wilson and Ms Gillard.

Mr Blewitt returned to Melbourne from his home in Malaysia this week with further documents relating to what he describes as ‘’a major fraud’’ involving hundreds of thousands of dollars taken from the AWU Workplace Reform Association - some of it used to buy the Fitzroy house.

Ms Gillard, who helped establish the association, which she later described as a union election slush fund, has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of the misappropriation of AWU money…

Read more at:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt...

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36385 Jan 25, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You should ask the same question with Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon....why they needed "sword" to get their message across?
There are prophets who only preach and there are prophets who "establish" Kingdom of God on earth.
And you "need to break" a few shells if you want to make Omelet, don't you?
Our prophet was the "Most peaceful Warrior" the world has ever seen and the world shall ever see!!
Why then did he use violence by the sword seeing he was the most peaceful "WARRIOR" ?
MalbarCACA Controller

UK

#36386 Jan 25, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Why then did he use violence by the sword seeing he was the most peaceful "WARRIOR" ?
You keep asking questions, questions and nothing but questions. Never any answers.

Is it that you have difficulties in putting words together much like your over all difficulties in understanding others like yourself who can't frame an answer into a sentence?
Vizhnu

India

#36387 Jan 25, 2013
One day I took a crap on the ground in a field in france and then a mushroom grew up in the spot where is pooed.

Since: Jun 12

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#36388 Jan 25, 2013
Vizhnu wrote:
One day I took a crap on the ground in a field in france and then a mushroom grew up in the spot where is pooed.
Say no more, it just indicates the crap you expel

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