Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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UK

#36280 Jan 21, 2013
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#36281 Jan 21, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
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Eta Lamerde
Ki "We non Muslims" ta, vilain LascarCACA.
This is what you need to be plunging into:
Eevery single move that you make is being watched and noted in your ti pilon Muzzie ladyboy monkey dossier.
That's the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs:
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.
We want no lies, no rogering, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.
Then
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#36282 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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I salute you
What salute, Eta Lamerde comply:

Ki "We non Muslims" ta, vilain LascarCACA.

This is what you need to be plunging into:

Eevery single move that you make is being watched and noted in your ti pilon Muzzie ladyboy monkey dossier.

That's the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs:

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Your real full names
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Your Emails
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.

We want no lies, no rogering, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.

Then

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Australia

#36283 Jan 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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All The Mountains Were Covered. The tops of all the high mountains under the entire heavens were at least 20 feet beneath the waters surface (Genesis 7:19-20)
The Bible confirms that (a) Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1),(b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12).
All Air-Breathing, Land Animals Killed. The world's entire population of air-breathing, land animals died, except those taken into the ark (Genesis 7:21)-“everything on Earth”(Genesis 6:17)- "all living creatures of every kind on the Earth" (Genesis 9:16)
A “Cataclysm,” Not A Mere Flood. Both Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) use words to describe Noah's flood which are different than the ordinary words for flood.
God's Rainbow Promise. God promised never again to send a global flood (Genesis 8:21, 9:8-17). This promise is demonstrated by the symbol of the rainbow, a sign for God's promise to all the Earth. The rainbow is a sign to every living creature, mankind and animals. If this promise was not made to all creatures on Earth, then God has broken His promise
Why Stay In The Ark A Year?! Noah was in the ark for more than a year, not just 40 days (Genesis 8:14). 53 weeks is absurdly long to stay in the ark for a local flood since dry land would have been just over the horizon. After the flood waters had been going down for 4 months, the dove could still find no suitable ground (Genesis 8:9). This does not seem to fit the circumstances for a local flood in which the dove could fly to dry land. However, these situations are consistent if the Flood was global.
Could the Quran have been interrupted with sentences warning others of Muhammad ?
There seems to be a lot of negative stuff written of him.
I would like your input in this followed by MUQ understanding of it.
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36284 Jan 21, 2013
Is Allah the same god as the Christians? well lets compare there prophets shall we.

Mohammed Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

mohummed said"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said "He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

mohummed Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

mohummed Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus Neither owned nor traded slaves.

mohummed Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus Beheaded no one.

mohummedMurdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

mohummed said"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)
Jesus said "If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

mohummed said Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

mohummed Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)
Jesus Was celibate.

mohummed Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus Did not have sex with children.

mohummed Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus Never harmed a woman.

mohummed said"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)
Jesus said"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

mohummed Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.

mohummed Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus Never took captives.Never killed anyone.

mohummed Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus Never encouraged rape.Never enslaved women.

mohummed Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)
Jesus"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

mohummed Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

mohummed said"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)
Jesus said "Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

mohummed Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)

mohummed Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

mohummed said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
Jesus said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

mohummed Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

mohummed Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus Was crucified himself.

mohummed According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36285 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.

ANS-1 Will muslims even help those they call infadels, kuffer, dogs or pigs?

Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity".

ANS-2 So now you accuse missionarys who give up the luxurys of there families and homes under the instructions of gods desire to have help those in need as Jesus preached as show offs?? your words and your heart MUQ is infested with the work of the devil

These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.

ANS-3 Then why does your fellow muslims in africa under the instructions of arab immams reading your holy koran kill those who dont convert ?

Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.

ANS-4 The trouble with that statment is doing good in islam to please allah also includes killing appostates, beheading those who are deemed to have insulted your prophet and disfiguring people who have stolen in order to feed there families.
None of these things are acceptable under the teachings of the one true god.

Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
ANS-5 unless the poor are non muslims....

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#36286 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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I believe the Greeks had a different outlook on "the Flood" that the sons of Gods who were decribed as giants were eradicated by god as punishment
This is the only story I have heard about

Deucalion, Deucalion and Pyrrha in Greek legend, the Greek equivalent of Noah, the son of Prometheus (the creator of humankind), king of Phthia in Thessaly, and husband of Pyrrha; he was also the father of Hellen, the mythical ancestor of the Hellenic race.

When Zeus, the king of the gods, resolved to destroy all humanity by a flood, Deucalion constructed an ark in which, according to one version, he and his wife rode out the flood and landed on Mount Parnassus. According to a story found first in the Roman poet Ovid’s Metamorphoses, Book I, upon offering a sacrifice and inquiring how to renew the human race, they were ordered to cast behind them the bones of their mother. The couple correctly interpreted this to mean they should throw behind them the stones of the hillside (“mother earth”), and they did so. Those stones thrown by Deucalion became men, while those thrown by Pyrrha became women. In early Greek versions Hermes told the couple directly to cast stones behind them.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36287 Jan 21, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I...

Qur'an 71:24 "They have led astray many. Because of their wrongs they were drowned, then made to enter fire, so they did not find any helpers besides Allah.[How was Allah a helper if they were drowned and roasted?] And Noah said:'My Lord, leave not one of the unbelievers on the earth. For surely if You leave them they will lead astray Your slaves, and will not beget any but immoral, ungrateful children.'" Saying that Noah asked God to wipe out his people is a sacrilege. Nothing could be further from the truth.

But by saying this, the Qur'an has given us a window into the soul of its prophet. It was Muhammad who wanted his clan punished, not Noah. The Meccans mocked Muhammad, so he threatened to slaughter them. And while you will read these words later, directly from Muhammad’s lips, for now he's too big a weasel to stand up and accept responsibility. His thoughts have been attributed to another, besmirching a noble man’s character. So ask yourself: why would the Qur'an put such ugly words on Noah's lips? What did Muhammad have to gain by deceiving his people? These lies didn't spontaneously combust; there must have been a motive. And if there was a motive, the lie was more than immoral; it became criminal.

While the Qur'anic account of Noah is foolish and mean-spirited, these things aren't crimes, nor is making a mistake. Lying is, however, when it's done for material gain. Today we call it fraud. The legal definition is: deceit or trickery designed to garner an unfair or dishonest advantage. Fraud is a knowing departure from truth to purposely mislead others for the sole purpose of unwarranted material gain. That's precisely what is happening here.

During this phase of Muhammad’s "ministry" in Mecca he wanted his tribe to abandon all the Ka'aba gods except Allah - the idol that had "called" him to be its prophet. In this verse Muhammad went on the attack, saying that the lesser idols needed to go so that his idol, and his idol's messenger, could gain control over the Ka'aba Inc.- the town's religious scam. The power and wealth Muhammad coveted flowed into the pockets of those who controlled Allah’s House. So Muhammad was willing to deceive his kin to garner an unfair advantage over them for material gain. Islam’s prophet profited by perpetrating a fraud. A crime has been committed.

Fortunately, a little outcome-based math will help lighten the mood. "Allah sent Noah to his people when he was 350 years old. He stayed among them 950 years. Allah sent Noah to them when he was 480 [not 350] years old. Allah commanded Noah to build the ark. He boarded it at the age of 600 [not at 1300]." Can you imagine attending an Islamic math class?

To be continued
SandCastle

West Hoxton, Australia

#36288 Jan 21, 2013
Jake Bradock wrote:
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ANS-5 unless the poor are non muslims....
I completely agree with this point. Christian missionaries risk their lives in non propagandist ventures as well in muslim lands. There are many Christian humanitarian agencies founded but help mostly with poverty, education, with a strict agenda on these issues, some of these workers in which are not Christian.

They risk their lives everyday only to be looked upon as dirty, manipulative kaffirs. They are killed, ransomed, stoned, behead, lynched by muslims simply because they are Christian.

I guess it is easier to kill your adversaries in beliefs than sway others with yours

I wonder if that has ever happened in Sydney. People usually either listen or pass them in the street...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36289 Jan 21, 2013
Gillard’s attack on free speech alarms even human rights commissars


Andrew Bolt
January 22 2013 (7:12am)


Last year, there was strong public objection to a racial vilification case brought against the journalist Andrew Bolt under the present Racial Discrimination Act on the grounds that his article was “reasonably likely to offend, insult ...” another person and could not be justified as fair comment. Many people considered a test of “offend or insult” too low a threshold.

The controversial aspect of the exposure bill is that it retains the present provision on racial vilification while adding a new provision that unlawful discrimination can include conduct that offends and insults on a number of other grounds, including industrial activity, pregnancy and sexual orientation. This new and enlarged provision is not subject to the objective test of reasonableness, fuelling fears that it will have a chilling effect on the fundamental right to freedom of speech.

Understandably, calls for the Senate committee to delete this provision are loud and, indeed, it might be wise to amend the bill, so far as it applies to acts that offend or insult, if only to preserve the valuable reforms that the rest of the bill will provide.

The Australian warns:

Now constitutional law experts suggest ... that by extending the application of the laws to “any area of public life”, we could see extensive interpretation across all aspects of everyday life, from workplace disagreements to sporting field arguments. This appears to be a lawyers’ banquet and another unwanted intrusion into areas that should be governed by common sense and community standards.

And where’s the evidence there is even a problem that needs fixing by this censorious government?
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36290 Jan 21, 2013
Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.

ANS-1 Will muslims even help those they call infadels, kuffer, dogs or pigs?

Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity".

ANS-2 So now you accuse missionarys who give up the luxurys of there families and homes under the instructions of gods desire to have help those in need as Jesus preached as show offs?? your words and your heart MUQ is infested with the work of the devil

These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.

ANS-3 Then why does your fellow muslims in africa under the instructions of arab immams reading your holy koran kill those who dont convert ?

Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.

ANS-4 The trouble with that statment is doing good in islam to please allah also includes killing appostates, beheading those who are deemed to have insulted your prophet and disfiguring people who have stolen in order to feed there families.
None of these things are acceptable under the teachings of the one true god.

Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
ANS-5 unless the poor are non muslims....
Ash

Australia

#36291 Jan 21, 2013


"Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need.."

Well Muq, we don't want it.

HE has no trouble smashing police car windscreens with milk crates but it seems Muslim rioter Omar Halaby is not fit to work, receiving a $200-a-fortnight disability support pension.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/life-on...

BAD PARENTS BRING UP BAD CHILDREN

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

We don't want you bad people here.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36292 Jan 21, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

Chapter -2

From Military to Islam

Life in Military

In the Kenyan army, as is most armies, we were believing in three “W s”: Wine , Woman and War. Despite this I still believed in God and kept going to church, if only occasionally.

At this time my parents did not get much help from me as they had expected due to my own negligence. My father convinced me to get married early in the hope that it would make me more responsible. It calmed me down a little.

In 1989, I was sent one more to NEP, this time in a place called MANDERA.

Ups and Down in married life:

In the mean time, my wife has had several miscarriages, when I left for NEP, my wife was two months pregnant, and after four months I got report that she had one more miscarriage. This depressed me greatly…

I received a note that I am being sent on a peace mission to Namibia, which lasted for one year and three months. We made a lot of money, but most soldiers and officers wasted their money on excessive drinking and going out with women without ay fear or care about AIDS / HIV.

Somehow it dawned on me that I had to take care of my life. I said to myself “ look at these Muslim soldiers and how disciplined they are. They do not drink and do not go out with strange women, they pray and fast for one month, they are kind hearted and live like brothers..”

But instead of joining them, I decided to go back to Bible and study it more seriously and critically. If these Muslim soldiers had told me about Islam and its teachings may be I would have joined islam then and there…

A Second Baptism

I was taken over by the CU, i.e. Christian Union. I attended church meetings every evening and grew up in Christian faith. I was baptised once again, this time in Lutheran Church by a very friendly Dutch Pastor.

I became a strong Christian and send letters and photos to my parents about my changed life.

This sadden my Eldest Brother, who had accepted islam and who hoped that I will also see the light of Islam. My father had also accepted Islam secretly.

My brother asked me to write to get all the video tapes from the famed Muslim Debater Ahmad Deedat. I sent for these tapes three days before my departure and 66 videotapes were delivered to my doorstep, comprising of lectures, debates and Islamic information.

Back Home from Military Services:

I came back and was welcomed by all members of my family, including my dear wife. It was a great relief to be back home after so long.

Next day I opened the carton of 66 Videotapes from Ahmad Deedat. My brother was very anxious that I see debates between Mr. Deedat and Christian priest. It was debate on Christianity between Mr. Deedat and some Christian professor from Pretoria.

As a Christian I was on the side of Professor, when he spoke to defend the cardinal doctrines of Christianity, which by now I was well acquainted with.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36293 Jan 21, 2013
But when the Islamic Scholar Mr. Deedat and started quoting from Bible from his memory, without the help of book, which was really strange for me, and disproving those cardinal doctrines one by one, my faith was shaken.

I told my brother that the professor was ill prepared or he could not defend Christian cause, so let us look at some more debates on different topics. It was my turn to choose and after seeing all the titles, I selected a four hour debate between Mr. Deedat and Two very experienced Christian Missionaries, one American and another British.

The four hour session during the dialog ended too soon for me! It covered virtually all important subjects on Islam and Christianity, ranging from authenticity of the Bible and Quran. Holy Trinity, the Divinity of Jesus, the concept of Original Sin and Crucifixion of Jesus.

At the end of four hour debate, I was convinced beyond any reasonable doubt in my heart about Islam. It seemed strange to me, that yesterday I was convinced about the Truth of Christianity and then with two tapes lasting six hours my faith is shaken?

I was in double mind…. I had so many questions and so many doubts, but by the end of day I took the most important decision of my life and said my SHAHADA (creed of Islam), in front of my eldest brother.

(Abridged)

IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36294 Jan 21, 2013
The Myth:
Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.
The Truth:
Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not yet part of his growing empire.
After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together through blood and violence.
The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family soon turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first caliph. The fourth caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth caliph, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was brought to an end in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle (who was not even a Muslim).
Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.
Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad explicitly held up both his favorite daughter and his favorite wife as model Muslim women, yet they were invoked respectively by each side in the violent civil war that followed his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?
Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.
Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.
By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa. Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.
Adam

Australia

#36295 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ,

Nonsense as usual, ten points for consistency.

Strange you don't like discussing currant issues.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/...

Have A Good Look At The Photo.

This is current day Islam, what a horrible culture to bring up children in, no wonder the muslim world is in turmoil.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36296 Jan 22, 2013
Ash wrote:
"Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need.."

Well what goes wrong between the telling and the doing.

You must be kidding, we don't believe that for one minute.

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

Because they have no respect for other muslims,

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspa ...

So they blow there fellow muslims arms and legs down the street.
Ans.

I told what is the Islamic teachings and not what present day Muslims are doing.

If Muslims are not following teachings of Islam, is it fault of Islam or of Muslims?

Same way of most of Christians are not following teachings of Jesus Christ, is it fault of Jesus or fault of these Christians?

Should we criticize Jesus or Christianity because most of Christians are not following it?

What is true for Jesus and Christianity why should it not be true for islam and the Last and Final Prophet?

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Since: May 10

Australia

#36297 Jan 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I told what is the Islamic teachings and not what present day Muslims are doing.
If Muslims are not following teachings of Islam, is it fault of Islam or of Muslims?
Same way of most of Christians are not following teachings of Jesus Christ, is it fault of Jesus or fault of these Christians?
Should we criticize Jesus or Christianity because most of Christians are not following it?
What is true for Jesus and Christianity why should it not be true for Islam and the Last and Final Prophet?
The problem being MUQ is that you speak of earlier times that we don't see throughout the world when innocent peoples are being eradicated just because they live a different Islam.
We are your complete opposites and physics will tell you that we can't possibly integrate into each others lives
MalbarCACA Controller

UK

#36298 Jan 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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The problem being MUQ is that you speak of earlier times that we don't see throughout the world when innocent peoples are being eradicated just because they live a different Islam.
We are your complete opposites and physics will tell you that we can't possibly integrate into each others lives
Did you not get the message in the Syrian forum, Roger?

Want us to repeat it here again?
Anti racist

Perth, Australia

#36299 Jan 22, 2013
Dee wrote:
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I asked the pro-multicultural posters here whether the UK, America, Australia or any European nation have become stonger and more united countries due to 'diversity'.
Strangely, nobody has responded with a list of countries that have been improved and made stronger and more united because of multiculturalism and diversity.
How odd, one would have thought they would come up with dozens of countries ...
Considering how much wealth the above countries have I would say multiculturalism has created a lot of prosperity. You ignorantly believe other cultures weren't there in the past. They didn't have rights but they certainly contributed to the wealth of the above countries. If they were to ask to be paid for there free services provided you would be forever in debt

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