Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46827 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36268 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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I am not beating the drum of Christianity but they choose to venture into the lives of the needy to better their lives.
This I know from the amount of aid from our government when it is needed by those who are left destitute from disaster.
No one denies that Christians and their missionaries are involved in lot of humanitarian works.

They win universal praises for their works, but that is one side of the story, how better would be if they were on the right path spreading truth and equity into the world.

Most of missionaries take unfair advantage of the suffering of poor people and make them change their religion without educating them what are teachings of their religion and how true they are.

Mere social work can not be the basis to judge what they teach is right, is it?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36269 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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No one denies that Christians and their missionaries are involved in lot of humanitarian works.
They win universal praises for their works, but that is one side of the story, how better would be if they were on the right path spreading truth and equity into the world.
Most of missionaries take unfair advantage of the suffering of poor people and make them change their religion without educating them what are teachings of their religion and how true they are.
Mere social work can not be the basis to judge what they teach is right, is it?
What sort of humanitarian work does Islam do and doesn't it have missionaries as well ??

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36270 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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What sort of humanitarian work does Islam do and doesn't it have missionaries as well ??
The 4th Pillar of Islam: Zakat (Mandatory Charity)

1/21/2012

Although I think charity is great because it helps people in need, I don’t think it should be mandatory just because you are part of a religion. In Islam, people are required to give at least 2.5 percent of their total income every year to Zakat (obligatory charity). Refusing to pay Zakat is a great sin and will send you straight to “hell” where you will be severely and painfully punished…. Talk about scare tactics!

Here are some of the problems I have with “Mandatory Charity”:

Forced charity is not really charity. It’s a tax.

Charity is supposed to be voluntary. People give because they want to help not because they have to. Many Muslims find themselves in awkward positions because they feel the pressure to give money. Although people who are under the poverty line are not really required to pay zakat, many people can barely get by with their annual income. Others also do not want people to know that they are having a difficult time so they feel the need to pay Zakat just so they don’t look poor.

Then you have the people who are trying to save up for the future. Whether it is for buying a house, getting married or paying for your children’s college. It is not fair to make it difficult for them.

Some people take advantage it

People usually give Zakat to organizations and mosques but do not monitor how it is distributed. It would be up to the people handling the money to decide who needs it. There are also many people who take advantage of Zakat. They are able to work and make money but do not do so just because they are lazy. They decide to go the easy route and take money from people who are giving to charity.

ZAKAT CANNOT BE GIVEN TO NON MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!

Most scholars agree that Zakat can only be given to Muslims. But what if you are in a community where non-Muslims need the money more? It would not be fair to give Muslims preferential treatment just because of their religion.

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36271 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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If it were a local flood I am curious how the Ark was to have landed on top of a mountain in Turkey ?
Is there anything written of the Mediterranean Sea of that time,could it have been fresh water ?
There is archaeological evidence of ancient ruins on the bottom of the sea so I am wondering if the gap between Gibraltar and Morocco may have been a solid land mass in earlier times and through earth quake allowed salt water to flood in thus giving us the Biblical flood.
All The Mountains Were Covered. The tops of all the high mountains under the entire heavens were at least 20 feet beneath the waters surface (Genesis 7:19-20)

The Bible confirms that (a) Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1),(b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12).

All Air-Breathing, Land Animals Killed. The world's entire population of air-breathing, land animals died, except those taken into the ark (Genesis 7:21)-“everything on Earth”(Genesis 6:17)- "all living creatures of every kind on the Earth" (Genesis 9:16)

A “Cataclysm,” Not A Mere Flood. Both Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) use words to describe Noah's flood which are different than the ordinary words for flood.

God's Rainbow Promise. God promised never again to send a global flood (Genesis 8:21, 9:8-17). This promise is demonstrated by the symbol of the rainbow, a sign for God's promise to all the Earth. The rainbow is a sign to every living creature, mankind and animals. If this promise was not made to all creatures on Earth, then God has broken His promise

Why Stay In The Ark A Year?! Noah was in the ark for more than a year, not just 40 days (Genesis 8:14). 53 weeks is absurdly long to stay in the ark for a local flood since dry land would have been just over the horizon. After the flood waters had been going down for 4 months, the dove could still find no suitable ground (Genesis 8:9). This does not seem to fit the circumstances for a local flood in which the dove could fly to dry land. However, these situations are consistent if the Flood was global.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36273 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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What sort of humanitarian work does Islam do and doesn't it have missionaries as well ??
Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.

Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity". These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.

Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.

Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
Ash

Australia

#36275 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.
Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity". These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.
Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.
Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
"Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need.."

Well what gos wrong between the telling and the doing.

You must be kidding, we don't believe that for one minute.

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

Because they have no respect for other muslims,

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspa...

So they blow there fellow muslims arms and legs down the street.

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#36276 Jan 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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All The Mountains Were Covered. The tops of all the high mountains under the entire heavens were at least 20 feet beneath the waters surface (Genesis 7:19-20)
The Bible confirms that (a) Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1),(b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12).
All Air-Breathing, Land Animals Killed. The world's entire population of air-breathing, land animals died, except those taken into the ark (Genesis 7:21)-“everything on Earth”(Genesis 6:17)- "all living creatures of every kind on the Earth" (Genesis 9:16)
A “Cataclysm,” Not A Mere Flood. Both Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) use words to describe Noah's flood which are different than the ordinary words for flood.
God's Rainbow Promise. God promised never again to send a global flood (Genesis 8:21, 9:8-17). This promise is demonstrated by the symbol of the rainbow, a sign for God's promise to all the Earth. The rainbow is a sign to every living creature, mankind and animals. If this promise was not made to all creatures on Earth, then God has broken His promise
Why Stay In The Ark A Year?! Noah was in the ark for more than a year, not just 40 days (Genesis 8:14). 53 weeks is absurdly long to stay in the ark for a local flood since dry land would have been just over the horizon. After the flood waters had been going down for 4 months, the dove could still find no suitable ground (Genesis 8:9). This does not seem to fit the circumstances for a local flood in which the dove could fly to dry land. However, these situations are consistent if the Flood was global.
I believe the Greeks had a different outlook on "the Flood" that the sons of Gods who were decribed as giants were eradicated by god as punishment

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AUSTRALIAN

#36277 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.
Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity". These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.
Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.
Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
We non Muslims support your peoples in their time of need so I ask why is this not precipitated ?
The RAT Catchers

Tempe, AZ

#36278 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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I believe the Greeks had a different outlook on "the Flood" that the sons of Gods who were decribed as giants were eradicated by god as punishment
We non Muslims support your peoples in their time of need so I ask why is this not precipitated ?
Hahahahaha - what a dick and the dickhead probably does not even realize what a tool he's made of himself - hahahahahahahaha.

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#36279 Jan 21, 2013
The RAT Catchers wrote:
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Hahahahaha - what a dick and the dickhead probably does not even realize what a tool he's made of himself - hahahahahahahaha.
Who give a shit about what you believe Roger bur as far as "precipitated " is concerned here it is:
What are you Rogering on about Muzzie ladyboy monkey?
This is what you need to be plunging into:
Eevery single move that you make is being watched and noted in your ti pilon Muzzie ladyboy monkey dossier.
That's the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs:
Anarchy Reigns on this forum and I LOVE IT
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Your real full names
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
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We want no lies, no rogering, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.
Then
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You need more toilet training
MalbarCACA Controller

UK

#36280 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
You need more toilet training
Eta Lamerde

Ki "We non Muslims" ta, vilain LascarCACA.

This is what you need to be plunging into:

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#36281 Jan 21, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
<quoted text>
Eta Lamerde
Ki "We non Muslims" ta, vilain LascarCACA.
This is what you need to be plunging into:
Eevery single move that you make is being watched and noted in your ti pilon Muzzie ladyboy monkey dossier.
That's the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs:
Anarchy Reigns on this forum and I LOVE IT
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Your real full names
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.
We want no lies, no rogering, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.
Then
Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.
Condemn Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) for her racist, bigoted and prejudiced opinions,views,comments and remarks.
Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
MalbarKAKALatrine FUCKTARD and his cohorts for causing irreparable damage to the Australian and Mauritian forums.
Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being a scumbag, an ignorant buffoon and a worthless vermin scumbags and VERMIN.
Condemn, Reprehend, admonish PoonJABI Sikh The Anti-Muhammad Singh The ADELAIDEAN for being a lunatic, madman, deranged, demented, crazy, FUCKTURD like yourself.
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I salute you
The RAT Catchers

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#36282 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I salute you
What salute, Eta Lamerde comply:

Ki "We non Muslims" ta, vilain LascarCACA.

This is what you need to be plunging into:

Eevery single move that you make is being watched and noted in your ti pilon Muzzie ladyboy monkey dossier.

That's the penalty for supporting, condoning and loving TOPIX PAID TROLLS, SPAMMERS, REAL AGITATORS and ANARCHISTs:

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Your real full names
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.

We want no lies, no rogering, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.

Then

Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.

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Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
MalbarKAKALatrine FUCKTARD and his cohorts for causing irreparable damage to the Australian and Mauritian forums.

Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being a scumbag, an ignorant buffoon and a worthless vermin scumbags and VERMIN.

Condemn, Reprehend, admonish PoonJABI Sikh The Anti-Muhammad Singh The ADELAIDEAN for being a lunatic, madman, deranged, demented, crazy, FUCKTURD like yourself.

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#36283 Jan 21, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
All The Mountains Were Covered. The tops of all the high mountains under the entire heavens were at least 20 feet beneath the waters surface (Genesis 7:19-20)
The Bible confirms that (a) Man had multiplied upon the face of the Earth (Genesis 6:1),(b) Violence and corruption filled the Earth (Genesis 6:11-12).
All Air-Breathing, Land Animals Killed. The world's entire population of air-breathing, land animals died, except those taken into the ark (Genesis 7:21)-“everything on Earth”(Genesis 6:17)- "all living creatures of every kind on the Earth" (Genesis 9:16)
A “Cataclysm,” Not A Mere Flood. Both Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) use words to describe Noah's flood which are different than the ordinary words for flood.
God's Rainbow Promise. God promised never again to send a global flood (Genesis 8:21, 9:8-17). This promise is demonstrated by the symbol of the rainbow, a sign for God's promise to all the Earth. The rainbow is a sign to every living creature, mankind and animals. If this promise was not made to all creatures on Earth, then God has broken His promise
Why Stay In The Ark A Year?! Noah was in the ark for more than a year, not just 40 days (Genesis 8:14). 53 weeks is absurdly long to stay in the ark for a local flood since dry land would have been just over the horizon. After the flood waters had been going down for 4 months, the dove could still find no suitable ground (Genesis 8:9). This does not seem to fit the circumstances for a local flood in which the dove could fly to dry land. However, these situations are consistent if the Flood was global.
Could the Quran have been interrupted with sentences warning others of Muhammad ?
There seems to be a lot of negative stuff written of him.
I would like your input in this followed by MUQ understanding of it.
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36284 Jan 21, 2013
Is Allah the same god as the Christians? well lets compare there prophets shall we.

Mohammed Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

mohummed said"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said "He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

mohummed Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

mohummed Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus Neither owned nor traded slaves.

mohummed Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus Beheaded no one.

mohummedMurdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

mohummed said"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)
Jesus said "If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

mohummed said Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

mohummed Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)
Jesus Was celibate.

mohummed Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus Did not have sex with children.

mohummed Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus Never harmed a woman.

mohummed said"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)
Jesus said"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

mohummed Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.

mohummed Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus Never took captives.Never killed anyone.

mohummed Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus Never encouraged rape.Never enslaved women.

mohummed Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)
Jesus"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

mohummed Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

mohummed said"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)
Jesus said "Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

mohummed Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)

mohummed Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

mohummed said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
Jesus said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

mohummed Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

mohummed Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus Was crucified himself.

mohummed According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36285 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslims are told to do every type of humanitarian works and help those in need...step by step starting from their parents, kinfolks, neighbors, wayfarer, travellers, prisoners.... no one is to be left to die.

ANS-1 Will muslims even help those they call infadels, kuffer, dogs or pigs?

Islamic rules for endowments and charitable trusts are well known. But all these acts should be done to Please Allah and not for a show off or part of "missionary activity".

ANS-2 So now you accuse missionarys who give up the luxurys of there families and homes under the instructions of gods desire to have help those in need as Jesus preached as show offs?? your words and your heart MUQ is infested with the work of the devil

These works should not be done in order to entice people to accept Islam or take advantage of their need.

ANS-3 Then why does your fellow muslims in africa under the instructions of arab immams reading your holy koran kill those who dont convert ?

Doing good deeds in Islam is only to please Allah and seek his pleasure and rewards from Him in the hereafter.

ANS-4 The trouble with that statment is doing good in islam to please allah also includes killing appostates, beheading those who are deemed to have insulted your prophet and disfiguring people who have stolen in order to feed there families.
None of these things are acceptable under the teachings of the one true god.

Institution of Zakat is established in islam to help poor on a regular and continuous basis.
ANS-5 unless the poor are non muslims....

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#36286 Jan 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe the Greeks had a different outlook on "the Flood" that the sons of Gods who were decribed as giants were eradicated by god as punishment
This is the only story I have heard about

Deucalion, Deucalion and Pyrrha in Greek legend, the Greek equivalent of Noah, the son of Prometheus (the creator of humankind), king of Phthia in Thessaly, and husband of Pyrrha; he was also the father of Hellen, the mythical ancestor of the Hellenic race.

When Zeus, the king of the gods, resolved to destroy all humanity by a flood, Deucalion constructed an ark in which, according to one version, he and his wife rode out the flood and landed on Mount Parnassus. According to a story found first in the Roman poet Ovid’s Metamorphoses, Book I, upon offering a sacrifice and inquiring how to renew the human race, they were ordered to cast behind them the bones of their mother. The couple correctly interpreted this to mean they should throw behind them the stones of the hillside (“mother earth”), and they did so. Those stones thrown by Deucalion became men, while those thrown by Pyrrha became women. In early Greek versions Hermes told the couple directly to cast stones behind them.

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#36287 Jan 21, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I...

Qur'an 71:24 "They have led astray many. Because of their wrongs they were drowned, then made to enter fire, so they did not find any helpers besides Allah.[How was Allah a helper if they were drowned and roasted?] And Noah said:'My Lord, leave not one of the unbelievers on the earth. For surely if You leave them they will lead astray Your slaves, and will not beget any but immoral, ungrateful children.'" Saying that Noah asked God to wipe out his people is a sacrilege. Nothing could be further from the truth.

But by saying this, the Qur'an has given us a window into the soul of its prophet. It was Muhammad who wanted his clan punished, not Noah. The Meccans mocked Muhammad, so he threatened to slaughter them. And while you will read these words later, directly from Muhammad’s lips, for now he's too big a weasel to stand up and accept responsibility. His thoughts have been attributed to another, besmirching a noble man’s character. So ask yourself: why would the Qur'an put such ugly words on Noah's lips? What did Muhammad have to gain by deceiving his people? These lies didn't spontaneously combust; there must have been a motive. And if there was a motive, the lie was more than immoral; it became criminal.

While the Qur'anic account of Noah is foolish and mean-spirited, these things aren't crimes, nor is making a mistake. Lying is, however, when it's done for material gain. Today we call it fraud. The legal definition is: deceit or trickery designed to garner an unfair or dishonest advantage. Fraud is a knowing departure from truth to purposely mislead others for the sole purpose of unwarranted material gain. That's precisely what is happening here.

During this phase of Muhammad’s "ministry" in Mecca he wanted his tribe to abandon all the Ka'aba gods except Allah - the idol that had "called" him to be its prophet. In this verse Muhammad went on the attack, saying that the lesser idols needed to go so that his idol, and his idol's messenger, could gain control over the Ka'aba Inc.- the town's religious scam. The power and wealth Muhammad coveted flowed into the pockets of those who controlled Allah’s House. So Muhammad was willing to deceive his kin to garner an unfair advantage over them for material gain. Islam’s prophet profited by perpetrating a fraud. A crime has been committed.

Fortunately, a little outcome-based math will help lighten the mood. "Allah sent Noah to his people when he was 350 years old. He stayed among them 950 years. Allah sent Noah to them when he was 480 [not 350] years old. Allah commanded Noah to build the ark. He boarded it at the age of 600 [not at 1300]." Can you imagine attending an Islamic math class?

To be continued
SandCastle

West Hoxton, Australia

#36288 Jan 21, 2013
Jake Bradock wrote:
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ANS-5 unless the poor are non muslims....
I completely agree with this point. Christian missionaries risk their lives in non propagandist ventures as well in muslim lands. There are many Christian humanitarian agencies founded but help mostly with poverty, education, with a strict agenda on these issues, some of these workers in which are not Christian.

They risk their lives everyday only to be looked upon as dirty, manipulative kaffirs. They are killed, ransomed, stoned, behead, lynched by muslims simply because they are Christian.

I guess it is easier to kill your adversaries in beliefs than sway others with yours

I wonder if that has ever happened in Sydney. People usually either listen or pass them in the street...

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#36289 Jan 21, 2013
Gillard’s attack on free speech alarms even human rights commissars


Andrew Bolt
January 22 2013 (7:12am)


Last year, there was strong public objection to a racial vilification case brought against the journalist Andrew Bolt under the present Racial Discrimination Act on the grounds that his article was “reasonably likely to offend, insult ...” another person and could not be justified as fair comment. Many people considered a test of “offend or insult” too low a threshold.

The controversial aspect of the exposure bill is that it retains the present provision on racial vilification while adding a new provision that unlawful discrimination can include conduct that offends and insults on a number of other grounds, including industrial activity, pregnancy and sexual orientation. This new and enlarged provision is not subject to the objective test of reasonableness, fuelling fears that it will have a chilling effect on the fundamental right to freedom of speech.

Understandably, calls for the Senate committee to delete this provision are loud and, indeed, it might be wise to amend the bill, so far as it applies to acts that offend or insult, if only to preserve the valuable reforms that the rest of the bill will provide.

The Australian warns:

Now constitutional law experts suggest ... that by extending the application of the laws to “any area of public life”, we could see extensive interpretation across all aspects of everyday life, from workplace disagreements to sporting field arguments. This appears to be a lawyers’ banquet and another unwanted intrusion into areas that should be governed by common sense and community standards.

And where’s the evidence there is even a problem that needs fixing by this censorious government?

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