Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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Oliver

Australia

#36079 Jan 13, 2013
For MUQ Sheiila Neville wrote:
Just reading the Quran as you do on Sunday...
 In Sura 10:95 there is a  demand by Allah to his revelations [Quran] to be verified by Christians. 
Allah is not telling his Muhammad to seek Christian experts, but instead from those ‘who read the scriptures’[i.e. ordinary Christians]. 
Allah tells his prophet or followers of Islam that if they have any doubts about the Quran, to learn from ordinary Christians. 
Allah is stating that the Christians are the teacher and Muhammad or muslims are the student in this sura. 
Allah is confirming that the Quran is interpretive (follows and does not overide the Scriptures [Bible] as the old and new testament are
absolutely correct and from God. 
Muslims will then use Taqiyya or deception to claim the bible was 'changed'.
But we know from archeological, historical and pre Islamic religious records the bible was not changed.
So every time there is doubt or contradiction in Islam, muslims must ask the Christians to
confirm what is right and wrong.
Allah confirms the Bible overrides the Quran – the Quran also has to comply with the Bible to 
authenticate it. 
Anything  in the Quran, not complying with the Bible is absolutely wrong, according to Allah.
This is what Allah states in sura 10:95.
So MUQ unfortunately you went to considerable lengths to expand on the story of Jospeh etc as
garbled up or distorted into the Quran.
But the Bible overrides this.
And Sheiila (if a christian?) or others who are Christian completely  override your opinion - you have to accept the bible or any common Christian believer view as truth as that overrides the Quran or your view.
Allah says so in sura 10:95.
A Muslim can ask but not tell a christian about the bible, otherwise the muslim is a sinner before Allah.
May god and Allah forgive you MUQ - you do not know even how badly you have sinned in front of Allah by preaching your false and subservient views of the bible to Christians.
As a general note MUQ I don't think you have read the Quran or perhaps don't actually understand it. I mean that in the nicest way possible, you refer to it but clearly haven't read it and show you don't get it conceptually either or in context to how the whole tawdry mish mash evolved and why.
So your own god and instruction may be helpful here. Allah says you need to accept and comply with christian guidance and direction in how to
understand your beliefs.
Muq if you can follow that Instruction from Allah we may be able to get you more enlightened.
+++ Why should Australians fear from Muslims?+++

Stop waffling on about your religion, nobody listens to it least of all muslims,

http://www.ianslive.in/index.php...

Think your efforts should be spent on the muslim world after all it is in continual turmoil. where fine here children aren't blown to pieces on a daily basis.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36080 Jan 13, 2013
Abu wrote:
01. MUQ although Christians revere relics like all religions do - we do not worship them as gods

Anyway to the point.

02. The black rock could not have been kissed by Abraham as Abraham never went to Mecca because Mecca and the Kaaba did not exist until many thousands of years after Abraham.

Abraham never went to and had no cause to go to Mecca.

03. He would hardly be chasing an outcast slave and teenage bastard offspring that had no religious legitimacy (pagan slaves)..

04. Back to the black rock or should we say fragments. Abu Tahir destroyed Mecca, the Kaaba and took the black rock for 18 years. During this time Abu Tahir defiled the black rock including using it as a latrine, a toilet, a urinal and also casting it into fire and animal offal ;pig fat etc).


05. But then in 1922 the British who owned the ME including Mecca with their proxy and crooked emir saud, tested the black rock fragments and found it to be common fieldspar, not meteoric.

06. So the black rock from the heavens worshipped as hubal sin then Allah was either defiled and invalidated or simply faked.

07. Either way the Muslims are not worshipping the lord of the Kaaba but the object fragments.

Ans.

If any post uses "double Standard", it should be this post of yours. You have given a "fake apology" for your worshipping of Cross and Statue of Jesus and "convicted" Muslims for "Pagan like worship" of Black Stone in Kaaba.

I might have avoided putting down any comment on your post, but it might be seen as 'I have no answers" to your charges. So I would post a brief reply.

01. Your Clear Worship of Cross and Jesus' statues versus our "Pseudo Worship" of Black Stone.

Christian clearly violate the First and Second of the famous Ten Commandments by worshipping the Cross and Statue of Jesus. Further they have no "example" from their prophet to do such acts, it is clearly an innovation.

Compared to that what we Muslims do is to emulate what our prophet did. So we did no innovation from Our side.

02. Abraham Never Went to Makkah:

This is only your words and you have no proof about it. We have all the proofs that Kaaba was constructed by Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael.

03."Adjectives" used by you for Ishmael:

I just wonder at your brevity !! God calls Ishmael as son and seed of Abraham and here you stand before people and call him an illegitimate son!!

I think when in the hereafter, you will stand before Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and their mothers and they will ask you "By whose authority you called my son Ishmael as illegitimate" … I hope you will have your answers ready!!

MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#36081 Jan 13, 2013
04. Over exaggeration of Abu Tahir's actions:

If some one wants to see people making mountains of a molehill, they should read your depiction of what Abu Tahir did to the Black Stone.

I want to re-kindle your memory. Do you recall that according to Bible, the "covenant of Ark" was captured by enemies of Jews and was in their custody for so many years. Finally during the times of David it was recovered.

Are you sure that during the days of Captivity what those people did with that Ark? And then did it lost its "Holiness" just because it fell into hands of their enemy?

05. British "Owned" ME and Makkah in 1922?

Are you not doing a bit of exaggeration here? British did not "own" Makkah even for a second!! No British "could" enter Makkah and will never be able to!! Is that what you call "owning".

It does not matter what Black Stone is made of. It is a sign to start TAWAF of Kaaba and it shall be forever for this job!!

06. Black Stone and Hubal:

They are two different things altogether. Black Stone was being used for its purpose, while Hubal was being worshipped.

The prophet broke Hubal into pieces and it was cast off from Makkah, while Black Stone is still in its original place and doing its job.

Why compare an apple against an orange?

07. Muslims Not Worshipping Lord of Kaaba:

I do not know what else is called worship of Lord of Kaaba. The "Chant of Muslims" while making TAWAF during Hajj is:

LABBAIK ALLAH HUMMA LABBAIK

LABBAIK LA SHAREEK LAK A LABBAIK

INN AL HMDA WA AL NE'MAT LAKA WA ALMULK

LAA SHAREEK LAK A LABBAIK!!

In English it could be "poorly" translated as:

I am present O Allah, I am present

I am present, you have no partners, I am present

All Praise and Bounties are Yours and (also) Dominion

You have no partner, I am present.

If this does not constitute the worship of Lord of Kaaba , what else will be?
Kenneth

Australia

#36082 Jan 13, 2013
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Look at these dirty pieces of filth, think Muq should be preaching to these muslim comrades that have strayed from the flock.

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#36083 Jan 13, 2013
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MalbarCACA Controller

UK

#36084 Jan 13, 2013
Jake wrote:
<quoted text>
You got your name right,Sewer. Maybe you should name yourself
MUSLIM SEWER MOUTH.
Why are you so ashamed to be a muslim, you have no pride or shame.
Who is this Tom, Dick, Harry, Ian etc... wanker?
Vizhnu

Lucknow, India

#36085 Jan 13, 2013
I will poo on the Muslims street beacuse I am Indian and that means I am great.
MalbarCACA Controller

UK

#36086 Jan 13, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Well CaCa ?
Eta liki languette torma pilon ki to attane?

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#36087 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. There is no 'Paganism" if you do some thing which your prophet did.
There is no comparison between "Cross on which Jesus was hanged" and "Black Stone" installed in Kaaba.
Jesus did not gave any "respect" to that cross and as to my knowledge "none of his chosen disciples had any thing to do with it".
Authenticity of the 'so called original cross is always in doubt" and no one can prove it is the same.
2. The black stone on the other hand was touched by the hands and lips of Prophet Abraham, Prophet Ishmael and Prophet Mohammad, peace and mercy of Allah be on all of them.
Its authenticity and genuineness is guaranteed and kissing it does not violate any Commandment of God.
So do not compare an apple against as orange.
What is the difference between Christians using a cross as a pagan ritual to that of Muslims using their black stones as theirs ?
Vizhnu

Lucknow, India

#36088 Jan 13, 2013
I use a ritual when I crap in the parks around Sydney. Sometimes I crap all over statues like a pidgeon too.
MUQ etc

Australia

#36090 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
If any post uses "double Standard", it should be this post of yours. You have given a "fake apology" for your worshipping of Cross and Statue of Jesus and "convicted" Muslims for "Pagan like worship" of Black Stone in Kaaba.
I might have avoided putting down any comment on your post, but it might be seen as 'I have no answers" to your charges. So I would post a brief
reply.
01. Your Clear Worship of Cross and Jesus' statues versus our "Pseudo Worship" of Black Stone.
Christian clearly violate the First and Second of
the famous Ten Commandments by worshipping the Cross and Statue of Jesus. Further they have no "example" from their prophet to do such acts, it is clearly an innovation.
Compared to that what we Muslims do is to emulate what our prophet did. So we did no
innovation from Our side.
02. Abraham Never Went to Makkah:
This is only your words and you have no proof about it. We have all the proofs that Kaaba was constructed by Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael.
03."Adjectives" used by you for Ishmael:
I just wonder at your brevity !! God calls Ishmael as son and seed of Abraham and here you stand before people and call him an illegitimate son!!
I think when in the hereafter, you will stand
before Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and their mothers and they will ask you "By whose authority you called my son Ishmael as illegitimate" … I hope you will have your answers ready!!
MUQ - I believe in anything that makes sense.
So do billions of others.
If Allah -(the voice in Mo's head only he could hear...) said sura 10:95 that the bible overrides the Quran then let's look at Hagar & Ishmael with that correct (to Allah) view.
Ishmael was a bastard son of a slave to Abraham. The term means that neither Hagar or Ishmael had any bloodline or religous inheritance, they were non Jews. They were cast out for being heretics. Ishmael was a teenager.
Their wanderings as outcasts from Abrahams tribe were documented. They are buried in israel near Hebron. They never went even to within 1,000k of Saudi today. Mecca UN their time did not exist.
Why would Abraham go to a place that did not exist to look up an ex slave and a bastard son that he had outcast ?
The bible says this.
The bible overides the Quran (Allah sura 10:95).
Thus the tale of Hagar & Ishmael wandering to Mecca (which didn't exist) is false.
Abraham didn't go to Mecca either, it's not in the bible and he physically couldn't have as it didnt even exist, therefore the whole basis of the Abrahamic lineage and basis of Islam is false.
Now if you can provide factual evidence that Mecca did exist in abraham's time, the Kaaba is 4,000 years old, not just 1,600 years etc then let's hear it.
Until then you have to accept via sura 10:95 what the bible, as well as what historical & geological evidence actually shows.
Your the one here who believes in a false god and belief system that has no evidence to it.
Therefore you should either act to provide that evidence or justify why you believe in something so patently false and corrupted from other beliefs that at least do have some factual basis to them.
In simpler words - you believe in a corrupted apostasy of judaism and moon god paganism despite the evidence.

So bit cute and almost shirk of you to say others are wrong when you can't prove why your right.
For MUQ re 2600bc

Sydney, Australia

#36091 Jan 13, 2013
As outlined previously, the bible overrides the Quran, as Allah via  muhammad states in Sura 10:95 

In the bible, which as stated overrides the Quran, the story of Hagar & Ishmael does not support the claims of Islam.

Abraham is believed to have existed around 2,700 bc, ie 4,700 years ago.
But Mecca did not exist in any form until 150 ad when first established by  Yemenites as trading post. 
The Kabba at Mecca was a tent structure first erected in 420ad  with the first foundations of 
permanent stricture in 450ad.
This is based on the archeological and historical records of the region. 
Thus there is an almost 3,200 year gap between Abraham  and when Mecca first existed. 

On Ishmael the bible states this. 
Ishmael was born as the son of an Egyptian slave but a prophecy warned he “shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.” 
Hagar was a non Jewish slave so any offspring was not to the covenant or religious bloodline purity of the Jews. Ishmael to the Jews was a bastard son of a slave. (Genesis 18:14).
Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham, "Isaac" (Hewbrew yitschaq, laughter) and circumcised him when he was eight days old.(Genesis 21:4) In doing so, the second actual son of Abraham became the FIRST SON to undergo the covenant-sign of circumcision at the age God had commanded.(Genesis 17:12)
 Ishmael was 13 years old.
Ishmael and Hagar were found mocking and as heretics and they were outcast (Genesis 21:8-9)[4] and completely disinherited. (Genesis 21:9–13)
Isaac as the first son was later the one about to be sacrificed etc. Ishmael wasn't around but it doesn't make any sense he would be the sacrificial son as he wasnt recognized as a son of jehovah etc to be worthy of sacrifice anyway.

Hagar & Ishmael wandered the wilderness of Beersheba until they settled in the wilderness of Paran. Southern israel today. 
Hagar found a wife for Ishmael in her home country Egypt.(Genesis 21:14–21)
And that's it.
No wandering to a place nearly 1,600 km away completely unknown at the time. No fixing up Kaaba's or visiting Hagar & Ishmael. Nothing, Abraham never went anywhere near there.
Hagar & Ishmael have a burial place near Mt Paran, Abraham near Hebron.
In the Quran it's this sort of sloppy and contradictory plot hole that completely gives it away as an amateurish apostasy it is - cobbled together from Judaism and pagan beliefs.
 Muhammad had no concept of time or place, or the whole story, only what his Jewish coaches fed him before he went heretic in 624ad, making himself a prophet and replaced Yahweh with Allah. 

The Jews rejected his ishmaelite concepts and fabrication and with good reason, it didn't make sense.

So Allah says (via Muhammad) the bible is the true baseline, not the Quran, and yet the bible and much other evidence contradicts the Quran.
Perhaps Muhammad felt bad about betraying the Jews as he did, and he deliberately left these obvious plot holes in Islam so they would get interested but then go into Judaism as the more correct religion? 
Seems like it.
Abraham would never have supported Muhammad or a stone object worship that we see today in Islam, that's for sure.
Shiite Vindaloo

Australia

#36092 Jan 13, 2013
Vizhnu wrote:
I use a ritual when I crap in the parks around Sydney. Sometimes I crap all over statues like a pidgeon too.
We know how you treat your homeland do not come back here, your better off being in your third world country up to your armpits in shiite.

&fe ature=related
Shiite Vindaloo

Gold Coast, Australia

#36093 Jan 13, 2013
Good work Muslims wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, we in Pakistan fully support enforcement of Sharia world wide, it is the only way to fix up the mess this world is in;
in Pakistan we are paying the price with our own country men's blood and behind this bloodletting is your Christian politicians who are double traitors? First to their own people and then us ordinary Muslims through our inept corrupt leadership. Peace.
Are you sure its not the JEWS Causing All The Trouble, between Shiites and Sunnis, http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory... It couldn't possibly be the fault of the auguring party's involved in Blackistan.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36094 Jan 13, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the difference between Christians using a cross as a pagan ritual to that of Muslims using their black stones as theirs ?
I already answered that question. To compare what Christians do with cross and what Muslims do with black stone is like comparing apples against the oranges.

There is no connection between these two acts.

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#36095 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I already answered that question. To compare what Christians do with cross and what Muslims do with black stone is like comparing apples against the oranges.
There is no connection between these two acts.
They are both fruit sown by god
POONJABi twits Bashers

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#36096 Jan 13, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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They are both fruit sown by god
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#36097 Jan 13, 2013
MalbarCACA Controller wrote:
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Ohi, quit reiterating and start paying in principle for PSYCHO CACA FuddiHEAD GOAT ROOTING POOF UnKnown Bastard RUPERT
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TROUBLEMAKERs, IMPOSTORs, SmellyARSIE MODERATORs, TRANNYs, PIMPs, NONCEs, SHEMAlEs, FUCKTURDs, DANCING LADYBOYs and
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Post for each one hundred strong in mind and body lap dancer:
Your IDs (Muzzie, MalbarCACA, Topix Paid TROLL or Nibiruan)
Your real full names
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Your Emails
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And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over in search of festering sore butt gratification.
We want no lies, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.
Then
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When done, DELETE your PROFILE.
You are phyco CaCa
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#36098 Jan 13, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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You are phyco CaCa
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#36099 Jan 13, 2013
POONJABi twits Bashers wrote:
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