Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36035 Jan 11, 2013
Ship out Sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah, says Queensland Liberal MP Steve Ciobo

Radical call ... Queensland MP Steve Ciobo / The Daily Telegraph

A RADICAL sheik who has called for Australia to become an Islamic state ruled by sharia law should be "slapped down" by moderate Muslims, according to a federal MP.

Sheik Ismail Al-Wahwah, the Australian head of extremist Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, suggested during a Christmas Eve sermon that jihad should be used to implement hardline teachings.

Queensland Liberal MP Steve Ciobo said the sheik should adopt Australia's values of tolerance and a fair go for all or "pack up and ship off".

"Frankly, we have had a gutful of people who deliberately incite hatred and people who want to overturn the foundation principles of this country," he said. "This Sheik Al-Wahwah needs to be slapped down from moderate Muslim supporters who recognise there is no place in Australia for these kinds of attitudes."The sheik told supporters it was their duty to "carry the light of Islam to the rest of the world ... Not with flowers. It was the army of Muslims which started from Medina, and they went to China, India, and the Maghreb.
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"That is jihad."

He said under an Islamic government, alcohol would be banned, a strict dress code enforced for all Australians and languages other than Arabic banned in schools.

Mr Ciobo said if Mr Al-Wahwah held dual citizenship the government should facilitate his move to another country more to his liking.

"I couldn't care less if he preaches to five people or 5000," he said.

"It only takes one or two crazies to take his message of jihad and to cause problems.

"If he's going to preach a message that this country needs to be under sharia law then he should go to where he can live under sharia law - and that is not in Australia."
Jacob

Australia

#36036 Jan 11, 2013
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/delhi-gang-...

Such a horrible people, from a horrible part of the world.

Not suitable for our Christian land.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#36037 Jan 11, 2013
Ian wrote:
They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do not only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of the law of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that God has fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them, and stands against them; so that they are bound over already to hell.

John 3:18. "He that believeth not is condemned already." So that every unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from thence he is, John 8:23. "Ye are from beneath:" And thither he is bound; it is the place that justice, and God's word, and the sentence of his unchangeable law assign to him. Repent to the Christ.
Ans.

I appreciate your sentiments!! But I think you are already over the limits of Anti Semitism!!

You should expect any time a knock on your doorstep during dead in the night by Gestapo!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#36039 Jan 11, 2013
Q for MUQ wrote:
List of questions for MUQ then.
Point form so each can be dealt with.

• Did Tuba'h write the original 'book of rules' for the Arabs with Jewish collaboration ?

…

This should do a starters.
Ans.

Q10. Did Abu Tahir destroy the Kaaba in 930 ad and take away and destroy the black rock ?

MUQ: No he did not destroy that Kaaba. But he took the black stone from Kaaba and it was returned after many years. Structure of Kaaba has been built, repaired and rebuilt many times in its 4000 years old history.

It is the place which is of importance and not the building itself.

There is no "magic or magical power" inherent in the building of Kaaba. We Muslims worship the "Lord of Kaaba" and not the Kaaba

Q11. Isn't the black rock today at Mecca some fragments glued together as a veneer approx 8" x 8" by 2" thick, ie the size of an iPad mini ?

MUQ: originally the Black Stone was a single stone, some one hit it with hammer and broke it into 8 or 9 pieces. They were joined by glue and placed in their present forms.

The Black Stone is only a sign to start TAWAF of Kaaba. It is perhaps the "Only stone" in the building of Kaaba which is still intact from the time of Prophet Abraham and Ishmael and part of the "First construction".

We Muslims worship "Lord of Black Stone" and not Black Stone!!

PS:

No one had heard of iPad mini till about a year or so back and people will forget all about iPad Minis and Major in a few years, but Kaaba and its structure shall continue to survive.

You picked a very bad example, you should have mentioned "original cross on which jesus was supposed to have been hung"!!

Q12. Is there considerable doubt this is the true black rock - as Abu Tahir had used the black rock as an urinal and latrine thus defiling it and then he publicly destroyed it ?

MUQ: I do not have any "knowledge" how Abu Tahir used Black Stone. What info I have is that it was returned in the same condition in which it was taken from Kaaba.

Black Stone is not an Idol and we Muslims do not worship it.
crusty

Australia

#36040 Jan 11, 2013
I have no problems with the muslims. In fact i was married to a Lebanese catholic for many years. I was hit and raped amongst many other things during most of that marriage. I was also called a "piece of Aussie shit" on many occassions. I am not and never have been racist, however this Lebanese catholic man and his mother were the most racist people i have ever known. The hated muslims, asians and Australians along with many others. According to them the Lebanese Catholics are some kind of pure race.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#36041 Jan 11, 2013
Q for MUQ wrote:
List of questions for MUQ then.
Point form so each can be dealt with.

• Did Tuba'h write the original 'book of rules' for the Arabs with Jewish collaboration ?

…

This should do a starters.
Ans.

Q13. Did the British test the black rock in the 1920's and find it was common fiekdspar, ie not of meteoric origin ?

MUQ: I am not aware of any British Testing of Black Stone in 1920 s. To my knowledge, no Non Muslim was ever allowed to visit Makkah in past 1400 years.

What is the construction of Black Stone, in immaterial, because it is not an object of worship for Muslims.

It is only a sign post to begin and end TAWAF of Kaaba.

Q14. Does the hajj ritual (which predates Muhammad) come from Sabian and way back originally Vedic origins ?

MUQ: According to Quran and sayings of Our Prophet, peace be on him, Hajj and its rituals were initiated by Prophet Abraham. They have no link with either Vedic or Sabians.

Q15. Why did Muhammad and other eminent Muslims insist on ascending via Jerusalem even though the earth heaven portal had moved to Mecca.

MUQ: Even though Muslims have stopped facing Jerusalem during their prayers and now face towards Makkah, we still have strong affinity towards the Jerusalem.

It was the place to which our prophet was carried during the "blessed night" and it was the place where he led the prayers and all past prophets joined him.

And it was the place, from where he ascended into heavens to see "Signs of his Lord"!!

And it is birth place and living place and burial place of many of Allah's prophet and as their "rightful heir", Muslims are more justified as "keepers and guardians" of holy sites.

Muslims have taken well care of Jerusalem during their 1400 years rule and it still holds a very spiritual aroma to this day.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36042 Jan 11, 2013
Q for MUQ wrote:
List of questions for MUQ then.
Point form so each can be dealt with.

• Did Tuba'h write the original 'book of rules' for the Arabs with Jewish collaboration ?

…

This should do a starters.
Ans.

Q16. Why does the Quran read that Muhammad died wanting the Jews to forgive him and for him to be accepted into god (Yahweh)'s heaven?

MUQ: I am not aware that our prophet died "wanting Jews to forgive him", what info I have tell us that "he made a dieing wish" that no Jews and Christians should be allowed to live in the whole land of Arabia.

Q17. Why do Shia regard Sunni as heretics ?

MUQ: According to Quran, there are no Sunnis and no Shia s. Quran and Prophetic sayings ask all Muslims to join together.

But unfortunately the Muslims have got themselves divided into sects and they fight with each other and spill each other's blood.

This is a sad state of affairs and it is Muslims and their sectarians scholars who are to be blamed for this



PS:

Now I have provided answers to All of your questions.

I do not want your replies to "all of them". Please start with one topic only at one time,

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#36043 Jan 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Q16. Why does the Quran read that Muhammad died wanting the Jews to forgive him and for him to be accepted into god (Yahweh)'s heaven?
MUQ: I am not aware that our prophet died "wanting Jews to forgive him", what info I have tell us that "he made a dieing wish" that no Jews and Christians should be allowed to live in the whole land of Arabia.
Q17. Why do Shia regard Sunni as heretics ?
MUQ: According to Quran, there are no Sunnis and no Shia s. Quran and Prophetic sayings ask all Muslims to join together.
But unfortunately the Muslims have got themselves divided into sects and they fight with each other and spill each other's blood.
This is a sad state of affairs and it is Muslims and their sectarians scholars who are to be blamed for this
PS:
Now I have provided answers to All of your questions.
I do not want your replies to "all of them". Please start with one topic only at one time,
What is with this"LORD" of the black stone ?
The Profilers

Torrance, CA

#36044 Jan 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is with this"LORD" of the black stone ?
DELETE YOUR PROFILE

DICKHEAD HighChair Baulkham Hills, Australia , midget MalbarCACA Punjabi Sikh baboon
Casey

Australia

#36045 Jan 11, 2013
crusty wrote:
I have no problems with the muslims. In fact i was married to a Lebanese catholic for many years. I was hit and raped amongst many other things during most of that marriage. I was also called a "piece of Aussie shit" on many occassions. I am not and never have been racist, however this Lebanese catholic man and his mother were the most racist people i have ever known. The hated muslims, asians and Australians along with many others. According to them the Lebanese Catholics are some kind of pure race.
There all the same, a good judge of what people will do in the future is too look at their past

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/

Pathetic backward third century savages...... NUKE EM

http://edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com/up...

Satins Supporters
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#36046 Jan 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is with this"LORD" of the black stone ?
It is same as "Lord of Kaaba".... and there is a verse in Quran which asks Quraish, the ruling tribe of Makkah to "Worship the Lord of This House...(i.e. Kaaba) who provides them with food during hunger and security against fear (of danger)(106:3-4)

I have used the Black Stone in place of Kaaba....because some people say that Muslims worship Kaaba, we do not worship Kaaba nor black stone but the Lord of Kaaba and the Lord of Black Stone...

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#36047 Jan 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It is same as "Lord of Kaaba".... and there is a verse in Quran which asks Quraish, the ruling tribe of Makkah to "Worship the Lord of This House...(i.e. Kaaba) who provides them with food during hunger and security against fear (of danger)(106:3-4)
I have used the Black Stone in place of Kaaba....because some people say that Muslims worship Kaaba, we do not worship Kaaba nor black stone but the Lord of Kaaba and the Lord of Black Stone...
Wouldn't that be some sort of Paganism both his Lordship as well as the black stone.
I see nothing wrong with it seeing they are used as a conduit to relate to your supreme being.
Much like the wooden cross that Jesus was crucified on that now adorns most things and people's lives.
The Profilers

Torrance, CA

#36048 Jan 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't that be some sort of Paganism both his Lordship as well as the black stone.
I see nothing wrong with it seeing they are used as a conduit to relate to your supreme being.
Much like the wooden cross that Jesus was crucified on that now adorns most things and people's lives.
DELETE YOUR PROFILE

DICKHEAD HighChair Baulkham Hills, Australia , midget MalbarCACA Punjabi Sikh baboon

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36049 Jan 11, 2013
3 Mohammed Mohammad Koran Quran

I Don't Noah 'Bout This

"He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."

Muhammad had a religion to sell, and by god, he was going to make it sound religious no matter how often he had to reshuffle the facts. Tabari I:323 "I asked the Messenger of Allah how many prophets there were. He replied,'124,000.' I asked him how many of those were messengers. He replied,'313, a large crowd.'"

That's a problem of incalculable magnitude for Muslims. Bukhari:V8B76N550 "I heard Allah’s Apostle saying,'From my followers there will be a crowd of 70,000 in number who will enter Paradise whose faces will glitter as the moon.'" These numbers don't add up. There must be a mistake. Let's check another Hadith. Bukhari V4B54N470 "Verily! 70,000 of my followers will enter Paradise altogether; so that the first and the last amongst them will enter at the same time." Sorry Muslims, Paradise is full. A giant "No Vacancy" sign is hanging over the brothel door. In fact, it's so overbooked, 54,000 prophets have already been turned away. With odds like this, it's no wonder Muslims are willing to kill for a place in line.

Now that we know Muhammad’s Paradise was oversold, how about Allah’s Hell? Bukhari:V8B76N537 "The Prophet said,'Allah will say, "Adam!" "I am obedient to Your orders." Allah will say, "Bring out the people of the Fire." "How many are the people of the Fire?" Allah will say, "Out of every thousand take out nine-hundred and ninety-nine persons." At that time children will become hoary-headed and every pregnant female will drop her load. You will see the people as if they were drunk. Allah’s punishment will be very severe.'" There have been more than ten billion humans born thus far. If one in every one-thousand people get to frolic with Allah’s babes, the brothel's capacity must be ten million, not seventy thousand. Somebody isn't telling the truth.

"That news distressed the companions of the Prophet too much, and they said,'O Allah’s Apostle! Who amongst us will be that lucky one out of the one-thousand who will be saved from the Fire.' He said,'Have the good news that one-thousand will be from Gog and Magog, and the one (to be saved will be) from you.'[Since he wasn't a real prophet, Muhammad didn't know that the people of Gog and Magog would all succumb to Islam. They include today’s Iranians, Iraqis, Turks, and Muslims in the Islamic Republics of the Russian Federation.] The Prophet added,'By Allah, I Hope that you Muslims will be one third of the people of Paradise.' On that, we glorified and praised Allah by saying,'Allahu Akbar.' The Prophet then said,'I hope that you will be one half of the people of Paradise.'" Therefore, a maximum of 35,000 Muslims will burn in lust rather than in Allah’s fire. That represents 1 in 90,000 Muslims. Said another way, if you were to fill a stadium with 90,000 Muslims, all but one would go to hell. Unless, of course, the "prophet" was lying.(In that case, they will all lose.)

Gog and Magog is Islam’s time bomb - a gift from the Jews. We'll discuss the implications in the last chapter. For now, it's sufficient to know that Muhammad was over-hyping hell and overselling paradise. And if his Islamic god was really God, we're in trouble. He's so unmerciful, unforgiving, unloving, intolerant, and sadistic 99:9% of us are destined for hell.

To be continued
Good work Muslims

Islamabad, Pakistan

#36050 Jan 11, 2013
This is true Islam. The rest is world politics

Love all and hate none.
Mere talk of peace will avail you naught.
Mere talk of God and religion will not take you far.
Bring out all the latent powers of your being
and reveal the full magnificence of your immortal self.

Be overflowing with peace and joy,
and scatter them wherever you are
and wherever you go.

Be a blazing fire of truth,
be a beauteous blossom of love
and be a soothing balm of peace.

With your spiritual light,
dispel the darkness of ignorance;
dissolve the clouds of discord and war
and spread goodwill, peace, and harmony among the people.

Never seek any help, charity, or favors
from anybody except God.
Never go the court of kings,
but never refuse to bless and help the needy and the poor,
the widow, and the orphan, if they come to your door.

This is your mission, to serve the people.....

Carry it out dutifully and courageously, so that I, as your Pir-o-Murshid,
may not be ashamed of any shortcomings on your part
before the Almighty God and our holy predecessors
in the Silsila on the Day of Judgment.
Q1 for MUQ

Wollongong, Australia

#36051 Jan 11, 2013
MUQ you didnt really answer any question except to give a rote Islamic explanation which we all are familiar with. Circular and deflective Taqiyya does not enlighten anyone.
Btw understand re black stone & relics of the cross analogy, I said that in my initial comment.
point was that the black stone actual object is only some tiny fragments of doubtful validity. If they are valid, they were defiled by Abu Tahir.
Also many non believers have been Mecca.
Let's stick to simple points.
1. How could Abraham have visited Mecca when it did not exist in any form until 150 ad according to the Yemmenite and other historical records on it's establishment.
Q. Do you have any NON Islamic, ie independent and pre Islamic archeological or historical evidence that Mecca existed before 150ad ?
Casey

Brookvale, Australia

#36053 Jan 12, 2013
Good work Muslims wrote:
This is true Islam. The rest is world politics
Love all and hate none.
Mere talk of peace will avail you naught.
Mere talk of God and religion will not take you far.
Bring out all the latent powers of your being
and reveal the full magnificence of your immortal self.
Be overflowing with peace and joy,
and scatter them wherever you are
and wherever you go.
Be a blazing fire of truth,
be a beauteous blossom of love
and be a soothing balm of peace.
With your spiritual light,
dispel the darkness of ignorance;
dissolve the clouds of discord and war
and spread goodwill, peace, and harmony among the people.
Never seek any help, charity, or favors
from anybody except God.
Never go the court of kings,
but never refuse to bless and help the needy and the poor,
the widow, and the orphan, if they come to your door.
This is your mission, to serve the people.....
Carry it out dutifully and courageously, so that I, as your Pir-o-Murshid,
may not be ashamed of any shortcomings on your part
before the Almighty God and our holy predecessors
in the Silsila on the Day of Judgment.
"This is true Islam."

Your got a hide coming to a forum from a Peaceful Christian Nation and peddling your muslim lies,

We all know what happens in the Muslim world

Child marriage
Underage sex
Wife beatings
Slaves
Sexual discrimination
Racism to rival the best

Too name a few,

And them there's this,

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/1...

The blowing Children's Arms and Legs off their body's.

Fcuk Off with your muslims lies back to where ever you terrorist's come from you EVIL Heathen !!
sid

Chermside, Australia

#36054 Jan 12, 2013
More islamic insanity.

The president of the Maldives has called for leniency in the case of a 15-year-old alleged rape victim who could be publicly whipped for the crime of fornication.

Amnesty International says there is strong reason to believe the girl was repeatedly raped by her stepfather for years, eventually giving birth to a baby, found buried on the family's property.

Police have charged the stepfather and mother, but under sharia law, the victim also faces the charge of fornication, punishable by 100 lashes in public.

The president's spokesman has called for leniency, but Amnesty International researcher Abbas Faiz says the charges should never have been laid.

"She should actually be the person who received the support rather than being punished," he said.
If convicted, the girl would be held under house arrest until she is 18, at which time she would be publicly flogged.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/mp/15...
Indian Business Man

Patna, India

#36055 Jan 12, 2013
The dali Lama raped my bum one day when I was visiting my uncle vizhnu.
MalbarCACA Controller

Luton, UK

#36056 Jan 12, 2013
sid wrote:
More islamic insanity.
The president of the Maldives has called for leniency in the case of a 15-year-old alleged rape victim who could be publicly whipped for the crime of fornication.
Amnesty International says there is strong reason to believe the girl was repeatedly raped by her stepfather for years, eventually giving birth to a baby, found buried on the family's property.
Police have charged the stepfather and mother, but under sharia law, the victim also faces the charge of fornication, punishable by 100 lashes in public.
The president's spokesman has called for leniency, but Amnesty International researcher Abbas Faiz says the charges should never have been laid.
"She should actually be the person who received the support rather than being punished," he said.
If convicted, the girl would be held under house arrest until she is 18, at which time she would be publicly flogged.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/mp/15...
Sitting on arse and fornicating again senile sid while we do the work of saving your forum?

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