Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Q for MUQ

Australia

#35908 Jan 5, 2013
List of questions for MUQ then.
Point form so each can be dealt with.
• Did Tuba'h write the original 'book of rules' for the Arabs with Jewish collaboration ?
• Was Tuba'hs scripture and belief system established in south yemmen to Mecca where Muhammad was exposed to these scripts and belief systems. In fact Muhammad being a jewish missionary supported by the medina Jews to promote these beliefs as part of the control the red sea Jews were trying to establish with the pagan Arabs for the caravan trade?
• Is this book of rules by Tuba'h almost exactly the same as large parts of the 'original' Quran ?
• Did Muhammad decide in 624 ad to unilaterally promote Allah to be the supreme god replacing yahweh. Based on the rejection by the Jews of
Muhammads unsubstantiated claim to be a
prophet.
• Was Khadija (Muhammad's first wife) his half sister/aunt who owned a lot of camels but no son heirs thus force married to muhammad to protect her inheritance.
Wasn't khadija and her family the major
beneficiary of Muhhamads betrayal of the medina Jews as they then took over control of the caravan trade ?
Doesn't this point to Khadija and her tribe 'using' Muhammad (a known religious nutter) to invent a religion to their tawdry purposes of stealing the Jewish position of control of trade in medina ?

• Isn't the entire Quran as a book a confused and apologitic justification by Muhammad as to how he was 'forced' into creating Allah and
attacking the Jews - because they would not recginise his claim as a jewish prophet equal to Moses ?

• How did Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael visit Mecca when it was not established until 150ad.

• What historical or geological evidence exists of
Mecca prior to 150 ad ?

Wasn't the first Kabba at Mecca a tent
established in 340 ad. And that no permanent
structure was built until 450ad ?

Did Abu Tahir destroy the Kabba in 930 ad and take away and destroy the black rock ?

• Isn't the black rock today at Mecca some fragments glued together as a veneer approx 8" x
8" by 2" thick, ie the size of an iPad mini ?

• Is there considerable doubt this is the true
black rock - as Abu Tahir had used the black rock as an urinal and latrine thus defiling it and then he publicly destroyed it ?

• Did the British test the black rock in the 1920's and find it was common fiekdspar, ie not of
meteoric origin ?

•Does the haj ritual (which predates
muhhammad) come from Sabian and way back
originally Vedic origins ?

Why did Muhammad and other eminent Muslims insist on ascending via jerusalem even tho the earth heaven portal had moved to Mecca.

Why does the Quran read that Muhammad died wanting the Jews to forgive him and for him to be accepted into god (Yahweh)'s heaven?

•Why do Shia regard Sunni as heretics ?

This should do a starters.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35909 Jan 5, 2013
Who are there more of ,Shiite or Sunni ?
MAMOOKA

Australia

#35910 Jan 5, 2013

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#35911 Jan 5, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_02_D...

What you're going to hear next is one of the most diabolical doctrines of Islam: men and women are born to be tormented. They have no choice in the matter. Eternal damnation is god's doing, not ours.

Tabari I:305 "Then Allah rubbed Adam's back and brought forth his progeny. And every living being to be created by Allah to the Day of Resurrection came forth at Na'm.n. He scattered them in front of him like tiny ants. He made covenants with them.... He took two handfuls and said to those on the right,'Enter Paradise! And He said to the others,'Enter the Fire! I do not care.'" A loving and merciful god if there ever was one. But beyond demented, this is further evidence that Allah and Yahweh are opposites. Yahweh wants us to choose to love him; Allah chose for us and he doesn't care, much less love.

A moment's reflection on this doctrine renders an undeniable verdict: Islam is irrelevant. If all men and women are predestined to heaven or hell, faith is folly. Good works are no more valuable than bad ones. Rituals are ridiculous. Martyrdom is madness. Eat, drink, and be merry, for a backrub sealed our fate.

Tabari I:306 "The Messenger said, "Allah created Adam and then rubbed Adam's back with his right hand and brought forth his progeny. Then He said,'I have created these as the inhabitants of Paradise.' Then he rubbed his back with His left hand and said,'I have created those for the Fire, and they will act as the inhabitants of the Fire.' A man asked,'O Messenger, how is that? Muhammad replied,'When Allah creates a human being for Paradise, He employs him to act as the inhabitants of Paradise, and he will enter Paradise. And when Allah creates a human being for the Fire, He will employ him to act as the inhabitants of the Fire, and will thus make him enter the Fire.'" In other words, he didn't have a clue, although he gives us a clue as to what he is like, a peek into his soul, into his religion, at his deity. His god directs the actions of men - good and bad. If we are to believe Muhammad, Allah is the employer of evil. And that's not good. Worse, he directs men to act badly so that he can punish them for acting as he decreed.

Islam confirmed this fatalistic right and left hand stuff in a Bukhari Hadith and then again in the Qur'an's 56th surah. Bukhari:V6B60N473 "Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in the Hell Fire. His happy or miserable fate is predetermined for him." The Qur'an says: Qur'an 56:8 "Those of the right hand - how happy will be those of the right hand! Those of the left hand - how unhappy will be those of the left hand!...Who will be honored in the Garden of Bliss; a number of the earlier peoples, and a few of the later ages, on couches wrought of gold reclining face to face. Youth of never-ending bloom [perpetual virgins] will pass round. Cups and decanters full of sparkling wine, they shall not be affected with headache thereby, nor shall they get exhausted [Allah’s Viagra?]. And such fruits as they fancy, bird meats that they relish and companions pure and beautiful with big eyes like pearls within their shells as a reward." A drunken orgy is the reward for being a "right hander." It’s no wonder they find boys willing to die for the cause.

To be continued
peter

Australia

#35912 Jan 5, 2013
Hey Kakaslumpig you back from you Holy Muslim Brothel creep in Thailand ? Yuck, those poor girls putting up with your breath and body odor.... Filth !! http://i.ytimg.com/vi/36c6NGZQM3c/0.jpg FiltH !!
peter

Australia

#35913 Jan 5, 2013
Thank the Lord Jesus we are an Island nation otherwise this would be coming instead of boats
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mfEvoS1hmxc/TJcfL1b...
First stop CENTRELINK.
peter

Australia

#35914 Jan 5, 2013
Second stop Kings Cross Strip Bars and then ...... Oxford street

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Since: Jun 12

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#35918 Jan 5, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
Who are there more of ,Shiite or Sunni ?
Sunnis, they keep killing the shiites

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35920 Jan 5, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Proph et_of_Doom_02_Devils_Deception s_and_Backrubs.Islam
What you're going to hear next is one of the most diabolical doctrines of Islam: men and women are born to be tormented. They have no choice in the matter. Eternal damnation is god's doing, not ours.
Tabari I:305 "Then Allah rubbed Adam's back and brought forth his progeny. And every living being to be created by Allah to the Day of Resurrection came forth at Na'm.n. He scattered them in front of him like tiny ants. He made covenants with them.... He took two handfuls and said to those on the right,'Enter Paradise! And He said to the others,'Enter the Fire! I do not care.'" A loving and merciful god if there ever was one. But beyond demented, this is further evidence that Allah and Yahweh are opposites. Yahweh wants us to choose to love him; Allah chose for us and he doesn't care, much less love.
A moment's reflection on this doctrine renders an undeniable verdict: Islam is irrelevant. If all men and women are predestined to heaven or hell, faith is folly. Good works are no more valuable than bad ones. Rituals are ridiculous. Martyrdom is madness. Eat, drink, and be merry, for a backrub sealed our fate.
Tabari I:306 "The Messenger said, "Allah created Adam and then rubbed Adam's back with his right hand and brought forth his progeny. Then He said,'I have created these as the inhabitants of Paradise.' Then he rubbed his back with His left hand and said,'I have created those for the Fire, and they will act as the inhabitants of the Fire.' A man asked,'O Messenger, how is that? Muhammad replied,'When Allah creates a human being for Paradise, He employs him to act as the inhabitants of Paradise, and he will enter Paradise. And when Allah creates a human being for the Fire, He will employ him to act as the inhabitants of the Fire, and will thus make him enter the Fire.'" In other words, he didn't have a clue, although he gives us a clue as to what he is like, a peek into his soul, into his religion, at his deity. His god directs the actions of men - good and bad. If we are to believe Muhammad, Allah is the employer of evil. And that's not good. Worse, he directs men to act badly so that he can punish them for acting as he decreed.
Islam confirmed this fatalistic right and left hand stuff in a Bukhari Hadith and then again in the Qur'an's 56th surah. Bukhari:V6B60N473 "Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in the Hell Fire. His happy or miserable fate is predetermined for him." The Qur'an says: Qur'an 56:8 "Those of the right hand - how happy will be those of the right hand! Those of the left hand - how unhappy will be those of the left hand!...Who will be honored in the Garden of Bliss; a number of the earlier peoples, and a few of the later ages, on couches wrought of gold reclining face to face. Youth of never-ending bloom [perpetual virgins] will pass round. Cups and decanters full of sparkling wine, they shall not be affected with headache thereby, nor shall they get exhausted [Allah’s Viagra?]. And such fruits as they fancy, bird meats that they relish and companions pure and beautiful with big eyes like pearls within their shells as a reward." A drunken orgy is the reward for being a "right hander." It’s no wonder they find boys willing to die for the cause.
To be continued
Muhammad would have needed something to compare with to have made the promise of what awaits those who are martyred.
I notice he did not offer wealth as in gold or camels.

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35921 Jan 5, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Sunnis, they keep killing the shiites
Would that order have come from their Caliph that they chose to follow instead of the bloodline ?

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#35922 Jan 6, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>Muhammad would have needed something to compare with to have made the promise of what awaits those who are martyred.
I notice he did not offer wealth as in gold or camels.
Neville no offense but are you for real??????????

Since: Jun 12

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#35923 Jan 6, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>Muhammad would have needed something to compare with to have made the promise of what awaits those who are martyred.
I notice he did not offer wealth as in gold or camels.
Where do you think he got his information from Neville? It seems you are clueless in relation to his works. No offense meant!!!!!!!!

Since: Jun 12

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#35924 Jan 6, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Would that order have come from their Caliph that they chose to follow instead of the bloodline ?
At the end of the day Neville does it matter??????????

They are killing innocent people.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#35925 Jan 6, 2013
peter wrote:
Hey Kakaslumpig you back from you Holy Muslim Brothel creep in Thailand ? Yuck, those poor girls putting up with your breath and body odor.... Filth !! http://i.ytimg.com/vi/36c6NGZQM3c/0.jpg FiltH !!
First and second class must be inside the train, third claas is hanging on to the outside, fourth class is hanging on to the undercarriage. I wonder how many of the silly buggers fall off.
Sunni Shia

Australia

#35926 Jan 6, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
Who are there more of ,Shiite or Sunni ?
90% of Muslims are Sunni and heretics according to the 9% Shiite.
The remaining 1% are allawite or Salifi or other sub sects.
Shia are concentrated in the old Persian boundaries (Iran, parts of Iraq, but there are also 30 million Shia in pakistan which will lead to a major religious war along sect lines at some point).
The Sunni appear to be the vast majority but the fact is most Sunni eg the ones in india, south east Asia, Africa etc or non Arabic are not considered 'real Muslims' by Arab Sunni.
They are only Sunni by accident or imposition (via Mongol then Mughal empire top down dictates) so the true cornerstone of Arab sunni.
However of those 90% sunni, about 60% do not lead a faithful or true Islamic lifestyle -and 70% are not Arab so according to the Arab Sunni there is a subdivision with Sunni also as to being Arab or not, then being a true believer or not.

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AUSTRALIAN

#35927 Jan 6, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Neville no offense but are you for real??????????
What would his followers think as being their wildest dream come true ?

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35928 Jan 6, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
At the end of the day Neville does it matter??????????
They are killing innocent people.
The point being,they must know their own history to judge their actions that they have been fed the wrong information.

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35929 Jan 6, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you think he got his information from Neville? It seems you are clueless in relation to his works. No offense meant!!!!!!!!
Try and put your mind into the minds of those of the day that followed the mindset of their parents who followed orders or else.
peter

Australia

#35930 Jan 6, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
First and second class must be inside the train, third claas is hanging on to the outside, fourth class is hanging on to the undercarriage. I wonder how many of the silly buggers fall off.
Your right Sid I thought the same thing,

Muq would a muslim soul falling off the train even be reported to the appropriate authority's.

I guess not.

Any way back to 20 Century's ago,

And the bezan shall be huge and black, and the eyes there of red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35932 Jan 6, 2013
peter wrote:
<quoted text>
Your right Sid I thought the same thing,
Muq would a muslim soul falling off the train even be reported to the appropriate authority's.
I guess not.
Any way back to 20 Century's ago,
And the bezan shall be huge and black, and the eyes there of red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...
There must have been a lot of serpents back in history as in China,England and a few other places.

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