Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Why can't you just answer why so many innocent people die by the hands of Christians ?
Jesus knows best.
Call a spade a spade, did Jesus ever advocate killing from his followers in the Christian religion? Muhammad on the other hand has blood on his hands. Blood that was seen by his victims in sheer horror and the source of twisted martyr fuel from his followers.

"Vengeance is for the Lord". His "perfect" judgment will come, not from self righteous mullahs and his croons with black stains on their heart.

When Jesus was so harsh with the righteous rich lawyer, how do you think he would justify his "followers" being greedy gold lustful Spanish Conquistadors who slaughtered, pillaged and conquered "in the name" of St James, Mary and Dios.

There's your answer.

If you feel that your religion has been maligned feel free to rebuttal these claims. Everytime Mo's crimes of sexual indulgance, hypocrisy and murdering are called to questions, please provide your "contextual scenario" to justify this. Even if it is still consider barbaric to the 21st century west we can at least see some reasons why in the 7th century it was considered enlightened morality.

However, blatantly peddling your ignorance about "Christian" armies slaughtering those poor folk in the Middle East does no one and especially you justice.

Whereas the west has learned to separate religion and politics and their separate faults. The muslim world is still scratching their heads and thinking hard on it. Just because the Mericans commit a war crime in Iraq, doesn't means Christians are at fault.

Is that too hard to understand? It is better that modern day Christians are human beings and hypocrites of their religion or we may well see them committing the same crimes as these holy men of the desert.

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That was not an invitation but an order.
Who said you had?
Some skkkkkkin head turd skinner
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I mentioned this on an earlier comment. More detail as someone asked for it.
Abu Tahir was the ruler of the Qarmatian state in Bahrain and Eastern Arabia, and in 930 led the sacking of Mecca. The Qarmatian army massacred the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the
streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam.
The Kaaba was looted and destroyed with care to damage or descrate every component of it.
Abu Tahir took personal possession of the Black
Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
Attempts by the Abbasids and Fatamids to get him to return the Black Stone were rejected for
18 years.
He used as a urinal for some time and then in ceremony split and fractured the black stone casting the pieces into the desert and toilet outbuildings saying that Islam had become idol worship and he would relieve them of that.
Abu Tahir died of small pox, common at that time. After his death fragments of the black rock were 'supposedly' found and retrieved...
Abu Tahir rejected belief in Mohammed and
Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician
and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket of the three..
A famous play about the three deceivers was then written based in his actions.
Only Fragments of the 'black rock' were ever found and returned. These fragments are am eight inch square 1 inch thick glued together veneer of the original black stone.
There is some doubt that any of it is real, the mission to try and retrieve the black stone having confusion about it as the stone was almost completely destroyed by Abu Tahir so these may
have been fragments just found many years later or not. Testing by the British who controlled Mekka in the early 20th century showed the fragments are common fieldspar and not of meteoric origin.
So not only does Islam worship idols but fake ones at that.
The Kabba (first tent structure 150 ad, first permanent structure 430ad) was completely rebuilt from new foundations.
It's not on the same site but relocated some 14 meters to the west and also re-orientated. So the existing Kabba is only about 1,000 years old.
Plenty of fact, historical and archeolgical evidence to all this.
Was Abu Tahir doing the right thing ?
He was trying to liberate Arabs from the cult idol worship sect it had become, by destroying it's idols and structures.
The Kabba and the possible remnants of the original black stone have been rebuilt and reorganized many times since Abu Tahir.
It perphaps proves that Muslims want and need their cult idols and objects (despite quranic instruction otherwise) even if they are fake.

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Muslim welfare haram wrote:
I mentioned earlier that any Muslim receiving benefits or welfare from a kafoor or non Islamic source commits haram (sin).
Muslims must also not pay or receive interest.
In the rules of the covenant (for a Muslim living in a non sharia country) these are spelt out.
In Islam the taking and also giving of interest
have been expressly forbidden.
This presents problems in secular countries, wherein no loan or mortgage is ever done
without it. In so far as taking loans which charge interest are concerned, it can only be said that
unless it is a life-or-death situation one must stay away from such loans, to avoid the Wrath of Allah.
But what should one do about the interest accumulated in one’s own bank account?
This issue is also something that unfortunately
affects many of us. What is established is that it is not at all permissible for one to utilise this for one’s own benefit.
To avoid the anger of Allah, one should give the interest money accumulated to charity.
This, whilst being the most practically beneficial
way of disposing the money, is not going to be positively rewarding.
But due to it being in accordance with Allah
Will, in that this method of disposal saves one from further sin, it is still beneficial.
Haram income
Included under this broad heading are earnings
generated by not only the sales of Haram items, but also Halal items acquired though Haram methods (e.g. Welfare or other non sharia goverment benefits, or being able to work but choosing not to and receiving benefits.
Allah has reserved the most severe punishment for these sinners as this is begging without cause and a most fundamental sin.
All income or benefit received without contribution must be paid back and the sin is accrued by Allah until it is paid back to the source it was taken from.
The benefit taken by begging or welfare is that this must be returned to the rightful owners.
If this is not possible because the owner is not
known or any other legitimate reason, then the method of disposal is the same as that of interest money.
If one has spent a great portion of one’s life in
Haram earnings to the extent that the majority of one’s possessions are of Haram origin, then the ongoing family has the obligation to redeem the original sinner in the Eye’s of Allah.
In short, the entire possessions of Haram earnings like social welfare from kafoor must be returned of in the same way that interest is.
All brothers/sisters of Islam are to take into account how much of their wealth is of ill earnings, then turning to a Halal means of income, whatever immediate amount they can in as short a period of time to pay off this debt they owe to Allah.
Good news Wayne Swan and Jenny Macklin !
All Muslims capable of working in australia are NOT to receive any social welfare or any other benefit as this is Haram to them.
Further more all Muslims that have taken benefit
from us 'kafoors' have to pay it all back.
All interest paid to Muslims has to go to a charity.
Muslims have to pay tax because that is within the rules of their covenant. But they can not receive any benefit without contribution as this is begging and forbidden in Islam.
And they must pay it all back otherwise they will be judged as sinners and are not following their religion.
Allah says this so Muslims have to follow this.
I see a way around them paying the money back to the government.
They send money to charity in another Islamic country that the face value of the money is the same,not the actual value .
So they send money to Iraq where $500 of our money gets them $500,000 of Iraq money thus cleansing their obligation.

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The Turd Skinners wrote:
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That was not an invitation but an order.
Who said you had?
Do you want me to go there ?
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Neville Thompson wrote:
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Do you want me to go there ?
Nev, you will love this one, billy connolly on islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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U guys are fu@/ed up...get a life, you guys worried about islam, id be worried about the new world order, youtube it fuc$wits....Peace I'm out
Welfare is haraam etc

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Neville Thompson wrote:
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I see a way around them paying the money back to the government.
They send money to charity in another Islamic country that the face value of the money is the same,not the actual value .
So they send money to Iraq where $500 of our money gets them $500,000 of Iraq money thus cleansing their obligation.
That would not be following Allah's direction.
If the entity is known (ie the Australian government) that the muslim received the haram welfare income from - then it must be paid back to that entity.
It only can go to a charity in it's interest income (usury) or if its haram (begging or welfare income and the entity is unknown or untraceable.
The haram debt is also passed on as an Islamic family responsibility.
One could say the mosque is the familial collective of muslims as well as their support in need as well to redeem their souls( it's purpose).
Therefore the mosque of the Muslims who have received welfare benefits or other money and help now have a religious obligation to instruct their members to pay it back so they are not sinful in front of Allah. In fact the mosque should technically pay it back and then collect it from it's members.
I think the quranic instructions that no Muslim is to beg or take welfare from a non sharia source or if they do that it must be paid back ...
Should be all over centerline offices in Arabic and Urdu and bahasa and other languages.
It should be on poster trucks outside every mosque. It should be translated into catchphrases that can be spoken to Muslims at every opportunity .
Welfare is harram.
You have to pay it ALL back otherwise you will offend Allah.
Allah does not allow you to bludge off non believers.
Allah says all Muslims must follow the convenant.
Those who take welfare insult the prophet.
Allah is watching you do not take benefit you did not contribute to.
And so on..
bet that would get a flood of Muslims lining up to see Christian priests about how they could convert....
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Kaaba black rock facts wrote:
I mentioned this on an earlier comment. More detail as someone asked for it.
Abu Tahir was the ruler of the Qarmatian state in Bahrain and Eastern Arabia, and in 930 led the sacking of Mecca. The Qarmatian army massacred the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the
streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam.

The Kaaba was looted and destroyed with care to damage or descrate every component of it.
Abu Tahir took personal possession of the Black
Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
Attempts by the Abbasids and Fatamids to get
him to return the Black Stone were rejected for
18 years.
He used as a urinal for some time and then in ceremony split and fractured the black stone casting the pieces into the desert and toilet
outbuildings saying that Islam had become idol worship and he would relieve them of that.

Abu Tahir died of small pox, common at that time. After his death fragments of the black rock
were 'supposedly' found and retrieved...

Abu Tahir rejected belief in Mohammed and
Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician
and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket of the three..
A famous play about the three deceivers was then written based in his actions.

Only Fragments of the 'black rock' were ever found and returned. These fragments are am eight inch square 1 inch thick glued together veneer of the original black stone.
There is some doubt that any of it is real, the
mission to try and retrieve the black stone having confusion about it as the stone was almost completely destroyed by Abu Tahir so these may
have been fragments just found many years later or not.
Testing by the British who controlled Mekka in the early 20th century showed the
fragments are common fieldspar and not of meteoric origin.
So not only does Islam worship idols but fake ones at that.

The Kabba (first tent structure 150 ad, first permanent structure 430ad) was completely rebuilt from new foundations.
It's not on the same site but relocated some 14 meters to the west and also re-orientated. So the existing Kabba is only about 1,000 years old.
Plenty of fact, historical and archeolgical evidence to all this.

Was Abu Tahir doing the right thing ?
He was trying to liberate Arabs from the cult idol worship sect it had become, by destroying it's
idols and structures.

The Kabba and the possible remnants of the original black stone have been rebuilt and
reorganized many times since Abu Tahir.
It perphaps proves that Muslims want and need their cult idols and objects (despite quranic instruction otherwise) even if they are fake.
MUQ is this true ?
I looked up Abu Tahir and there is a lot of information that the Kabba was in fact destroyed and the black stone taken and destroyed also.
What does Islam say to reassure us that the black stone today is of Allah & Muhammad (pbuh) rather than some fake fragments?

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sid wrote:
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Nev, you will love this one, billy connolly on islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks Sid,he would make an ideal cultural attache on multicultural affairs.
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Jan 3, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
Story of Prophet Joseph as given in Bible (Gen Chapter 37 to Chapter 50)and in Quran (Chapter 12)-
A comparative study- Part-65
Episode:
Jacob Blesses Joseph's sons (Contd)
Biblical Version
And he said,“Please bring them to me, and I will bless them.” 10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim with age, so that he could not see. Then Joseph brought them near him, and he kissed them and embraced them. 11 And Israel said to Joseph,“I had not thought to see your face; but in fact, God has also shown me your offspring!”
12 So Joseph brought them from beside his knees, and he bowed down with his face to the earth. 13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel’s right hand, and brought them near him. 14 Then Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on Ephraim’s head, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh’s head, guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn.
15 And he blessed Joseph, and said:“God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The God who has fed me all my life long to this day, 16 The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads; Let my name be named upon them, And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”
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Irrelevant Nonsense as usual,

Topic title

+++++++ Why should Australians fear from Muslims +++++++

The muslim world is a failure, actions speak louder than words,

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspa...

Is this to relevant for you,

This is the true face of islam !

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57561803/...

And we Australians don't like it one bit.

Now waffle on about what happened 20 Century's ago.

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Kaaba black rock facts wrote:
I mentioned this on an earlier comment. More detail as someone asked for it.
Abu Tahir was the ruler of the Qarmatian state in Bahrain and Eastern Arabia, and in 930 led the sacking of Mecca. The Qarmatian army massacred the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the
streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam.
The Kaaba was looted and destroyed with care to damage or descrate every component of it.
Abu Tahir took personal possession of the Black
Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
Attempts by the Abbasids and Fatamids to get him to return the Black Stone were rejected for
18 years.
He used as a urinal for some time and then in ceremony split and fractured the black stone casting the pieces into the desert and toilet outbuildings saying that Islam had become idol worship and he would relieve them of that.
Abu Tahir died of small pox, common at that time. After his death fragments of the black rock were 'supposedly' found and retrieved...
Abu Tahir rejected belief in Mohammed and
Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician
and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket of the three..
A famous play about the three deceivers was then written based in his actions.
Only Fragments of the 'black rock' were ever found and returned. These fragments are am eight inch square 1 inch thick glued together veneer of the original black stone.
There is some doubt that any of it is real, the mission to try and retrieve the black stone having confusion about it as the stone was almost completely destroyed by Abu Tahir so these may
have been fragments just found many years later or not. Testing by the British who controlled Mekka in the early 20th century showed the fragments are common fieldspar and not of meteoric origin.
So not only does Islam worship idols but fake ones at that.
The Kabba (first tent structure 150 ad, first permanent structure 430ad) was completely rebuilt from new foundations.
It's not on the same site but relocated some 14 meters to the west and also re-orientated. So the existing Kabba is only about 1,000 years old.
Plenty of fact, historical and archeolgical evidence to all this.
Was Abu Tahir doing the right thing ?
He was trying to liberate Arabs from the cult idol worship sect it had become, by destroying it's idols and structures.
The Kabba and the possible remnants of the original black stone have been rebuilt and reorganized many times since Abu Tahir.
It perphaps proves that Muslims want and need their cult idols and objects (despite quranic instruction otherwise) even if they are fake.
Did Abu Tahir do anything with the Quran ?
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Did Abu Tahir do anything with the Quran ?
He probably provided a "servive" to him.

Oh Bwanna why do you bother?

IDIOT.

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#35886
Jan 4, 2013
 
Muq, I have had a premonition that very soon sunni or shiites are going to Blow Each Other PIECES !!
Abu Tahir etc

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Did Abu Tahir do anything with the Quran ?
What is recorded is that Abu Tahir destroyed the Kabba and took and destroyed the black rock.
He killed the Muslims and de-consecrated the site.
You must wonder, to what and where did the Muslims pray and do their haj for 18 years...

Only supposed slivers of the black rock were
ever found, bit like the relics of the holy cross, this was expediency as something had to subsistute...

But the british tested the small remaining glued together veneer of fragments in 1922 at Mekka and found it was only fieldspar or common rock..

Abu Tahir motivation was that a new majid or zorastorian god had arrived and all the 'fake' idol worships had to be destroyed.

The Quran and its many hadeeths is of course silent on this chapter in Islamic history.
The implication is that Muslims today workship some fragments of rock that in all probability are not original, stuck into the side of a rebuilt
(circa 970ad) vedic (Sabian Hubal ) ablutions block modeled off an original built in 450 ad.
Abraham never went to Mecca, nor hagar or Ishmael - as mecca as a place never existed in their time.
Once that's understood, then the muhammadean apostasy ( of Tuba'h's original proto judastic quickly becomes clear ).
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On the black Rock itself - that has quite a story.
Every town had a Kaaba or storage and ablutions area for the black rock ritual originally in pre Muhammad times.
The Rocks (plural, there were many in different towns) were gathered from an area of the desert that did have meteriotes exposed in the sand.
The iron and nickel content even then was known to be unusual.
The Arabs worshipped the venus god of fertility (the islams still call Venus a star) and the moon god of blood shedding (female menstruation).
The Vedic based haj ritual celebrates the conduction of the moon and Venus for fertility.
The actual ritual was that the Arabs would gather and circumlocate the Kaaba and the woman would touch and daub their menses onto the rock. The men would touch, smell and taste the menses on the rock and then select a partner.
Muslims were originally naked and then later naked under a cotton (Muslim) shift.
It's a Vedic ritual tailored to Arab stone object.
The Kaaba itself was a washing up area.
All around the Kaaba were hovels or tents used for the sex ritual. Photos up until 1850 show Mecca and the Kabba in this way as well as extensive evidence from adventurers or participants who sneaked into the ritual and then later wrote about it.
Arabs were very inbred. The haj ritual was a ritualized way of aggrerating & interspersing genes across nomadic people. Like goats or camels, it was a breeding ritual adapted to their needs and environment.
Muhammad was a big follower of the Sabian or sex ritual and thus incorporated it into Tuba'h's earlier works.
The moon and venus star (planet) conjunction is an indicator of timing to breed etc and still today remains as the dominant symbols of Islam.
Today all Muslims are compelled to do the haj ie share and breed with others even if it's in a ritualistic form. You will see on video the Muslims will sniff, touch, lick and taste the black rock if they can get close enough to it (well millions only ever get to go around just pointing at it).
Muhammad destroyed the other kaaba's and black rocks to centralize & control it from Mekka.
Jerusalem was still the holier place and the earth heaven portal,,, but after the fallout with the Jews and that Jerusalem was not under their control, Mekka was reluctantly made the earth/ heaven portal.
Abu Tahir then stole and destroyed the Rock...

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Grand Mufti’s agenda not very unifying

Miranda Devine
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 (6:45am)

AUSTRALIA’S Grand Mufti, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, presents himself as a moderate, with the unity of Muslims and non-Muslims as his priority.

But his Christmas vist to the Gaza strip, which he called “the land of jihad”, and his support for Hamas, suggest unity may not be the first thing on his mind.

The visit reportedly was hailed as a publicity “coup” by Hamas, whose militant wing has been listed as a terrorist entity by Australia since 2001.

Mohamed met Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, who is on record praising Osama Bin Laden as a “Muslim and Arabic warrior”

“We came here in order to learn from Gaza,” Mohamed said.

Learn what?

Read more at:

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/miran...

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Miranda Devine
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 (6:45am)
AUSTRALIA’S Grand Mufti, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, presents himself as a moderate, with the unity of Muslims and non-Muslims as his priority.
But his Christmas vist to the Gaza strip, which he called “the land of jihad”, and his support for Hamas, suggest unity may not be the first thing on his mind.
The visit reportedly was hailed as a publicity “coup” by Hamas, whose militant wing has been listed as a terrorist entity by Australia since 2001.
Mohamed met Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, who is on record praising Osama Bin Laden as a “Muslim and Arabic warrior”
“We came here in order to learn from Gaza,” Mohamed said.
Learn what?
Read more at:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/miran...
Learn what from Gaza that has already been explained in blood

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Black rock wrote:
On the black Rock itself - that has quite a story.
Every town had a Kaaba or storage and ablutions area for the black rock ritual originally in pre Muhammad times.
The Rocks (plural, there were many in different towns) were gathered from an area of the desert that did have meteriotes exposed in the sand.
The iron and nickel content even then was known to be unusual.
The Arabs worshipped the venus god of fertility (the islams still call Venus a star) and the moon god of blood shedding (female menstruation).
The Vedic based haj ritual celebrates the conduction of the moon and Venus for fertility.
The actual ritual was that the Arabs would gather and circumlocate the Kaaba and the woman would touch and daub their menses onto the rock. The men would touch, smell and taste the menses on the rock and then select a partner.
Muslims were originally naked and then later naked under a cotton (Muslim) shift.
It's a Vedic ritual tailored to Arab stone object.
The Kaaba itself was a washing up area.
All around the Kaaba were hovels or tents used for the sex ritual. Photos up until 1850 show Mecca and the Kabba in this way as well as extensive evidence from adventurers or participants who sneaked into the ritual and then later wrote about it.
Arabs were very inbred. The haj ritual was a ritualized way of aggrerating & interspersing genes across nomadic people. Like goats or camels, it was a breeding ritual adapted to their needs and environment.
Muhammad was a big follower of the Sabian or sex ritual and thus incorporated it into Tuba'h's earlier works.
The moon and venus star (planet) conjunction is an indicator of timing to breed etc and still today remains as the dominant symbols of Islam.
Today all Muslims are compelled to do the haj ie share and breed with others even if it's in a ritualistic form. You will see on video the Muslims will sniff, touch, lick and taste the black rock if they can get close enough to it (well millions only ever get to go around just pointing at it).
Muhammad destroyed the other kaaba's and black rocks to centralize & control it from Mekka.
Jerusalem was still the holier place and the earth heaven portal,,, but after the fallout with the Jews and that Jerusalem was not under their control, Mekka was reluctantly made the earth/ heaven portal.
Abu Tahir then stole and destroyed the Rock...
I would like MUQ's understanding of this
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