Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46810 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Scoop.

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#35862 Jan 2, 2013
Derpybusters wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly boy, you maybe not what about the other one hundred strong in mind and body.
Would you like to find out in person ?
Provide your real name.
Current legitimate address with postcode.
Phone number.
Next of kin.
The Turd Skinners

Tempe, AZ

#35864 Jan 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you like to find out in person ?
Provide your real name.
Current legitimate address with postcode.
Phone number.
Next of kin.
No thanks, keep your invitations for when you visit WCs.

Do this NOW:

Post for each one hundred strong in mind and body lap dancer:
Your IDs (Muzzie, MalbarCACA, Topix Paid TROLL or Nibiruan)
Your real full names
Your actual locations and addresses
Your Emails
Your real genuine telephone numbers

And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.

We want no lies, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.

Then

Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive
actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.

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Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
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Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being a scumbag, an ignorant buffoon and a worthless
vermin.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#35865 Jan 2, 2013
Story of Prophet Joseph as given in Bible (Gen Chapter 37 to Chapter 50)and in Quran (Chapter 12)-
A comparative study- Part-65

Episode:

Jacob Blesses Joseph's sons (Contd)

Biblical Version

And he said,“Please bring them to me, and I will bless them.” 10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim with age, so that he could not see. Then Joseph brought them near him, and he kissed them and embraced them. 11 And Israel said to Joseph,“I had not thought to see your face; but in fact, God has also shown me your offspring!”

12 So Joseph brought them from beside his knees, and he bowed down with his face to the earth. 13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel’s right hand, and brought them near him. 14 Then Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on Ephraim’s head, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh’s head, guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15 And he blessed Joseph, and said:“God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The God who has fed me all my life long to this day, 16 The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads; Let my name be named upon them, And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”


Quranic Version:

NIL

Remarks / Comments

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#35866 Jan 2, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_02_D...

A few more questions remain. If Moses was five meters tall, over sixteen feet, how did he pass himself off as being part of Pharaoh's family? And finally, how could Adam have hit his head against heaven by falling down? Perhaps this is a clue. Muhammad is telling us something about Allah and the location of the Islamic paradise.

Why be so picky, you may be wondering? Ancient mythology and pagan religions are full of such nonsense. Yes, but Islam was invented ten centuries after the last pagan myth was conceived, so he is without excuse. More to the point, Muslims are killing us today because of Muhammad’s claims. Suicide bombers blast themselves into oblivion based upon this maniac's promises. Simply stated: a prophet who makes a practice of lying shouldn't be trusted!

Muhammad’s promise of paradise for martyrs who die killing infidels can't be relied upon - period! Calling this verbal diarrhea "a religion" doesn't make it one. Right from the beginning, there has been a clear and undeniable pattern of deception and delusion. And it never ends. Muhammad was willing to say and do anything in the name of his spirit so long as it advanced his personal agenda.

Muhammad, speaking on behalf of Allah in an Islamic Hadith says: Tabari I:301 "I shall have one of those houses singled out for My generosity and distinguish it from all others by My name and call it My House. I shall have it proclaim My greatness, and it is upon it that I have placed My majesty." Allah is bragging about a stubby pile of un-hewn and un-mortared rocks. His "House" didn't even have a roof because there was no wood for the beams, or carpenters in Mecca. "My majesty" indeed.

Sounding more like Hinduism than Islam: "In addition, I, being in everything and together with everything, shall make that House a safe sanctuary whose sacredness will extend to those around, those underneath, and those above it." Some safe sanctuary it turned out to be. Muhammad led dozens of armed raids against the Meccans for control of Allah’s House. Even today, the Ka'aba is the cornerstone of terror. And please tell me: who is underneath the Ka'aba?

To be continued

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35867 Jan 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Story of Prophet Joseph as given in Bible (Gen Chapter 37 to Chapter 50)and in Quran (Chapter 12)-
A comparative study- Part-65
Episode:
Jacob Blesses Joseph's sons (Contd)
Biblical Version
And he said,“Please bring them to me, and I will bless them.” 10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim with age, so that he could not see. Then Joseph brought them near him, and he kissed them and embraced them. 11 And Israel said to Joseph,“I had not thought to see your face; but in fact, God has also shown me your offspring!”
12 So Joseph brought them from beside his knees, and he bowed down with his face to the earth. 13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim with his right hand toward Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh with his left hand toward Israel’s right hand, and brought them near him. 14 Then Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on Ephraim’s head, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh’s head, guiding his hands knowingly, for Manasseh was the firstborn.
15 And he blessed Joseph, and said:“God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The God who has fed me all my life long to this day, 16 The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads; Let my name be named upon them, And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”
Quranic Version:
NIL
Remarks / Comments
This makes me wonder why anybody could think that either this or whatever was written in the Quran or any other religious book as being factual;What logic can you see MUQ in any of these written stories ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35868 Jan 2, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Proph et_of_Doom_02_Devils_Deception s_and_Backrubs.Islam
A few more questions remain. If Moses was five meters tall, over sixteen feet, how did he pass himself off as being part of Pharaoh's family? And finally, how could Adam have hit his head against heaven by falling down? Perhaps this is a clue. Muhammad is telling us something about Allah and the location of the Islamic paradise.
Why be so picky, you may be wondering? Ancient mythology and pagan religions are full of such nonsense. Yes, but Islam was invented ten centuries after the last pagan myth was conceived, so he is without excuse. More to the point, Muslims are killing us today because of Muhammad’s claims. Suicide bombers blast themselves into oblivion based upon this maniac's promises. Simply stated: a prophet who makes a practice of lying shouldn't be trusted!
Muhammad’s promise of paradise for martyrs who die killing infidels can't be relied upon - period! Calling this verbal diarrhea "a religion" doesn't make it one. Right from the beginning, there has been a clear and undeniable pattern of deception and delusion. And it never ends. Muhammad was willing to say and do anything in the name of his spirit so long as it advanced his personal agenda.
Muhammad, speaking on behalf of Allah in an Islamic Hadith says: Tabari I:301 "I shall have one of those houses singled out for My generosity and distinguish it from all others by My name and call it My House. I shall have it proclaim My greatness, and it is upon it that I have placed My majesty." Allah is bragging about a stubby pile of un-hewn and un-mortared rocks. His "House" didn't even have a roof because there was no wood for the beams, or carpenters in Mecca. "My majesty" indeed.
Sounding more like Hinduism than Islam: "In addition, I, being in everything and together with everything, shall make that House a safe sanctuary whose sacredness will extend to those around, those underneath, and those above it." Some safe sanctuary it turned out to be. Muhammad led dozens of armed raids against the Meccans for control of Allah’s House. Even today, the Ka'aba is the cornerstone of terror. And please tell me: who is underneath the Ka'aba?
To be continued
In the history of prophets pre dating this period did any of them pillage to support their existance ?

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AUSTRALIAN

#35869 Jan 2, 2013
The Turd Skinners wrote:
<quoted text>
No thanks, keep your invitations for when you visit WCs.
Do this NOW:
Post for each one hundred strong in mind and body lap dancer:
Your IDs (Muzzie, MalbarCACA, Topix Paid TROLL or Nibiruan)
Your real full names
Your actual locations and addresses
Your Emails
Your real genuine telephone numbers
And add to that every singular loo and public convenience anal extra curriculum activities that you have Bended Over
in search of festering sore butt gratification.
We want no lies, fabrications, attitude or dillydallying but the bottom line now and nothing else will do.
Then
Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive
actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.
Condemn Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) for her racist, bigoted and prejudiced opinions,
views,comments and remarks.
Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
MalbarKAKALatrine FUCKTARD and his cohorts for causing irreparable damage to the Australian and Mauritian forums.
Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being a scumbag, an ignorant buffoon and a worthless
vermin.
No thanks ,by the way I have never been on the Mauritian forum.
The Turd Skinners

Tempe, AZ

#35870 Jan 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
No thanks ,by the way I have never been on the Mauritian forum.
That was not an invitation but an order.

Who said you had?
Muslim welfare haram

Australia

#35871 Jan 2, 2013
I mentioned earlier that any Muslim receiving benefits or welfare from a kafoor or non Islamic source commits haram (sin).

Muslims must also not pay or receive interest.

In the rules of the covenant (for a Muslim living in a non sharia country) these are spelt out.

In Islam the taking and also giving of interest
have been expressly forbidden.
This presents problems in secular countries, wherein no loan or mortgage is ever done
without it. In so far as taking loans which charge interest are concerned, it can only be said that
unless it is a life-or-death situation one must stay away from such loans, to avoid the Wrath of Allah.
But what should one do about the interest accumulated in one’s own bank account?
This issue is also something that unfortunately
affects many of us. What is established is that it is not at all permissible for one to utilise this for one’s own benefit.
To avoid the anger of Allah, one should give the interest money accumulated to charity.
This, whilst being the most practically beneficial
way of disposing the money, is not going to be positively rewarding.
But due to it being in accordance with Allah
Will, in that this method of disposal saves one from further sin, it is still beneficial.

Haram income
Included under this broad heading are earnings
generated by not only the sales of Haram items, but also Halal items acquired though Haram methods (e.g. Welfare or other non sharia goverment benefits, or being able to work but choosing not to and receiving benefits.
Allah has reserved the most severe punishment for these sinners as this is begging without cause and a most fundamental sin.
All income or benefit received without contribution must be paid back and the sin is accrued by Allah until it is paid back to the source it was taken from.
The benefit taken by begging or welfare is that this must be returned to the rightful owners.
If this is not possible because the owner is not
known or any other legitimate reason, then the method of disposal is the same as that of interest money.
If one has spent a great portion of one’s life in
Haram earnings to the extent that the majority of one’s possessions are of Haram origin, then the ongoing family has the obligation to redeem the original sinner in the Eye’s of Allah.

In short, the entire possessions of Haram earnings like social welfare from kafoor must be returned of in the same way that interest is.
All brothers/sisters of Islam are to take into account how much of their wealth is of ill earnings, then turning to a Halal means of income, whatever immediate amount they can in as short a period of time to pay off this debt they owe to Allah.

Good news Wayne Swan and Jenny Macklin !

All Muslims capable of working in australia are NOT to receive any social welfare or any other benefit as this is Haram to them.

Further more all Muslims that have taken benefit
from us 'kafoors' have to pay it all back.
All interest paid to muslims has to go to a charity.
Muslims have to pay tax because that is within the rules of their covenant. But they can not receive any benefit without contribution as this is begging and forbidden in Islam.
And they must pay it all back otherwise they will be judged as sinners and are not following their religion.
Allah says this so Muslims have to follow this.
Jenny M

Australia

#35872 Jan 3, 2013
Brilliant ! Just what i need.
Muslims cant get welfare from us because their religion forbids it. All thru the Quran.
And if they took benefit without contribution they have to pay it all back !
Will get the centerlink special unit onto it straight away - we will save billions.
Bet this also means all the muslims here quickly convert to being Christian !
We save billions and wipe out Islam to save their poor souls as well. Christian thing to do really...
SandCastle

Sydney, Australia

#35873 Jan 3, 2013
TeenActivist wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't you just answer why so many innocent people die by the hands of Christians ?
Jesus knows best.
Call a spade a spade, did Jesus ever advocate killing from his followers in the Christian religion? Muhammad on the other hand has blood on his hands. Blood that was seen by his victims in sheer horror and the source of twisted martyr fuel from his followers.

"Vengeance is for the Lord". His "perfect" judgment will come, not from self righteous mullahs and his croons with black stains on their heart.

When Jesus was so harsh with the righteous rich lawyer, how do you think he would justify his "followers" being greedy gold lustful Spanish Conquistadors who slaughtered, pillaged and conquered "in the name" of St James, Mary and Dios.

There's your answer.

If you feel that your religion has been maligned feel free to rebuttal these claims. Everytime Mo's crimes of sexual indulgance, hypocrisy and murdering are called to questions, please provide your "contextual scenario" to justify this. Even if it is still consider barbaric to the 21st century west we can at least see some reasons why in the 7th century it was considered enlightened morality.

However, blatantly peddling your ignorance about "Christian" armies slaughtering those poor folk in the Middle East does no one and especially you justice.

Whereas the west has learned to separate religion and politics and their separate faults. The muslim world is still scratching their heads and thinking hard on it. Just because the Mericans commit a war crime in Iraq, doesn't means Christians are at fault.

Is that too hard to understand? It is better that modern day Christians are human beings and hypocrites of their religion or we may well see them committing the same crimes as these holy men of the desert.

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35874 Jan 3, 2013
The Turd Skinners wrote:
<quoted text>
That was not an invitation but an order.
Who said you had?
Some skkkkkkin head turd skinner
Kaaba black rock facts

Sydney, Australia

#35875 Jan 3, 2013
I mentioned this on an earlier comment. More detail as someone asked for it.
Abu Tahir was the ruler of the Qarmatian state in Bahrain and Eastern Arabia, and in 930 led the sacking of Mecca. The Qarmatian army massacred the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the
streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam.
The Kaaba was looted and destroyed with care to damage or descrate every component of it.
Abu Tahir took personal possession of the Black
Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
Attempts by the Abbasids and Fatamids to get him to return the Black Stone were rejected for
18 years.
He used as a urinal for some time and then in ceremony split and fractured the black stone casting the pieces into the desert and toilet outbuildings saying that Islam had become idol worship and he would relieve them of that.
Abu Tahir died of small pox, common at that time. After his death fragments of the black rock were 'supposedly' found and retrieved...
Abu Tahir rejected belief in Mohammed and
Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician
and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket of the three..
A famous play about the three deceivers was then written based in his actions.
Only Fragments of the 'black rock' were ever found and returned. These fragments are am eight inch square 1 inch thick glued together veneer of the original black stone.
There is some doubt that any of it is real, the mission to try and retrieve the black stone having confusion about it as the stone was almost completely destroyed by Abu Tahir so these may
have been fragments just found many years later or not. Testing by the British who controlled Mekka in the early 20th century showed the fragments are common fieldspar and not of meteoric origin.
So not only does Islam worship idols but fake ones at that.
The Kabba (first tent structure 150 ad, first permanent structure 430ad) was completely rebuilt from new foundations.
It's not on the same site but relocated some 14 meters to the west and also re-orientated. So the existing Kabba is only about 1,000 years old.
Plenty of fact, historical and archeolgical evidence to all this.
Was Abu Tahir doing the right thing ?
He was trying to liberate Arabs from the cult idol worship sect it had become, by destroying it's idols and structures.
The Kabba and the possible remnants of the original black stone have been rebuilt and reorganized many times since Abu Tahir.
It perphaps proves that Muslims want and need their cult idols and objects (despite quranic instruction otherwise) even if they are fake.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35876 Jan 3, 2013
Muslim welfare haram wrote:
I mentioned earlier that any Muslim receiving benefits or welfare from a kafoor or non Islamic source commits haram (sin).
Muslims must also not pay or receive interest.
In the rules of the covenant (for a Muslim living in a non sharia country) these are spelt out.
In Islam the taking and also giving of interest
have been expressly forbidden.
This presents problems in secular countries, wherein no loan or mortgage is ever done
without it. In so far as taking loans which charge interest are concerned, it can only be said that
unless it is a life-or-death situation one must stay away from such loans, to avoid the Wrath of Allah.
But what should one do about the interest accumulated in one’s own bank account?
This issue is also something that unfortunately
affects many of us. What is established is that it is not at all permissible for one to utilise this for one’s own benefit.
To avoid the anger of Allah, one should give the interest money accumulated to charity.
This, whilst being the most practically beneficial
way of disposing the money, is not going to be positively rewarding.
But due to it being in accordance with Allah
Will, in that this method of disposal saves one from further sin, it is still beneficial.
Haram income
Included under this broad heading are earnings
generated by not only the sales of Haram items, but also Halal items acquired though Haram methods (e.g. Welfare or other non sharia goverment benefits, or being able to work but choosing not to and receiving benefits.
Allah has reserved the most severe punishment for these sinners as this is begging without cause and a most fundamental sin.
All income or benefit received without contribution must be paid back and the sin is accrued by Allah until it is paid back to the source it was taken from.
The benefit taken by begging or welfare is that this must be returned to the rightful owners.
If this is not possible because the owner is not
known or any other legitimate reason, then the method of disposal is the same as that of interest money.
If one has spent a great portion of one’s life in
Haram earnings to the extent that the majority of one’s possessions are of Haram origin, then the ongoing family has the obligation to redeem the original sinner in the Eye’s of Allah.
In short, the entire possessions of Haram earnings like social welfare from kafoor must be returned of in the same way that interest is.
All brothers/sisters of Islam are to take into account how much of their wealth is of ill earnings, then turning to a Halal means of income, whatever immediate amount they can in as short a period of time to pay off this debt they owe to Allah.
Good news Wayne Swan and Jenny Macklin !
All Muslims capable of working in australia are NOT to receive any social welfare or any other benefit as this is Haram to them.
Further more all Muslims that have taken benefit
from us 'kafoors' have to pay it all back.
All interest paid to Muslims has to go to a charity.
Muslims have to pay tax because that is within the rules of their covenant. But they can not receive any benefit without contribution as this is begging and forbidden in Islam.
And they must pay it all back otherwise they will be judged as sinners and are not following their religion.
Allah says this so Muslims have to follow this.
I see a way around them paying the money back to the government.
They send money to charity in another Islamic country that the face value of the money is the same,not the actual value .
So they send money to Iraq where $500 of our money gets them $500,000 of Iraq money thus cleansing their obligation.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35877 Jan 3, 2013
The Turd Skinners wrote:
<quoted text>
That was not an invitation but an order.
Who said you had?
Do you want me to go there ?
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#35878 Jan 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you want me to go there ?
Nev, you will love this one, billy connolly on islam.
Aussie

Bexley, Australia

#35879 Jan 3, 2013
U guys are fu@/ed up...get a life, you guys worried about islam, id be worried about the new world order, youtube it fuc$wits....Peace I'm out
Welfare is haraam etc

Australia

#35880 Jan 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I see a way around them paying the money back to the government.
They send money to charity in another Islamic country that the face value of the money is the same,not the actual value .
So they send money to Iraq where $500 of our money gets them $500,000 of Iraq money thus cleansing their obligation.
That would not be following Allah's direction.
If the entity is known (ie the Australian government) that the muslim received the haram welfare income from - then it must be paid back to that entity.
It only can go to a charity in it's interest income (usury) or if its haram (begging or welfare income and the entity is unknown or untraceable.
The haram debt is also passed on as an Islamic family responsibility.
One could say the mosque is the familial collective of muslims as well as their support in need as well to redeem their souls( it's purpose).
Therefore the mosque of the Muslims who have received welfare benefits or other money and help now have a religious obligation to instruct their members to pay it back so they are not sinful in front of Allah. In fact the mosque should technically pay it back and then collect it from it's members.
I think the quranic instructions that no Muslim is to beg or take welfare from a non sharia source or if they do that it must be paid back ...
Should be all over centerline offices in Arabic and Urdu and bahasa and other languages.
It should be on poster trucks outside every mosque. It should be translated into catchphrases that can be spoken to Muslims at every opportunity .
Welfare is harram.
You have to pay it ALL back otherwise you will offend Allah.
Allah does not allow you to bludge off non believers.
Allah says all Muslims must follow the convenant.
Those who take welfare insult the prophet.
Allah is watching you do not take benefit you did not contribute to.
And so on..
bet that would get a flood of Muslims lining up to see Christian priests about how they could convert....
Zafi

Australia

#35881 Jan 3, 2013
Kaaba black rock facts wrote:
I mentioned this on an earlier comment. More detail as someone asked for it.
Abu Tahir was the ruler of the Qarmatian state in Bahrain and Eastern Arabia, and in 930 led the sacking of Mecca. The Qarmatian army massacred the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the
streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam.

The Kaaba was looted and destroyed with care to damage or descrate every component of it.
Abu Tahir took personal possession of the Black
Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
Attempts by the Abbasids and Fatamids to get
him to return the Black Stone were rejected for
18 years.
He used as a urinal for some time and then in ceremony split and fractured the black stone casting the pieces into the desert and toilet
outbuildings saying that Islam had become idol worship and he would relieve them of that.

Abu Tahir died of small pox, common at that time. After his death fragments of the black rock
were 'supposedly' found and retrieved...

Abu Tahir rejected belief in Mohammed and
Islam in saying: In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician
and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket of the three..
A famous play about the three deceivers was then written based in his actions.

Only Fragments of the 'black rock' were ever found and returned. These fragments are am eight inch square 1 inch thick glued together veneer of the original black stone.
There is some doubt that any of it is real, the
mission to try and retrieve the black stone having confusion about it as the stone was almost completely destroyed by Abu Tahir so these may
have been fragments just found many years later or not.
Testing by the British who controlled Mekka in the early 20th century showed the
fragments are common fieldspar and not of meteoric origin.
So not only does Islam worship idols but fake ones at that.

The Kabba (first tent structure 150 ad, first permanent structure 430ad) was completely rebuilt from new foundations.
It's not on the same site but relocated some 14 meters to the west and also re-orientated. So the existing Kabba is only about 1,000 years old.
Plenty of fact, historical and archeolgical evidence to all this.

Was Abu Tahir doing the right thing ?
He was trying to liberate Arabs from the cult idol worship sect it had become, by destroying it's
idols and structures.

The Kabba and the possible remnants of the original black stone have been rebuilt and
reorganized many times since Abu Tahir.
It perphaps proves that Muslims want and need their cult idols and objects (despite quranic instruction otherwise) even if they are fake.
MUQ is this true ?
I looked up Abu Tahir and there is a lot of information that the Kabba was in fact destroyed and the black stone taken and destroyed also.
What does Islam say to reassure us that the black stone today is of Allah & Muhammad (pbuh) rather than some fake fragments?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#35882 Jan 3, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Nev, you will love this one, billy connolly on islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =-xwPVgRaROAXX
Thanks Sid,he would make an ideal cultural attache on multicultural affairs.

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