Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46759 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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“Free Speech in a Free World ”

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#35826 Jan 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. Discussing Shia Sunni Divide is not a proper subject on these "laymen's Forums". It is like discussing Christian divides between Roman Catholics, Protestants and Jehovah's Witness and so many sects and denominations in Christianity and every other religion.
02. The correct picture of Islam can be found if you ask about what are Islamic teachings on each and every issue. Do not try to learn Islam from Muslims, same way if we want to learn Christianity by seeing the behaviour of Christians.
First learn about actual teachings of islam and THEN see how Muslims are violating these teachings in their lives.
But Muslims not following Islamic Teachings is NO REASON for you to reject Islamic teachings. You will NOT BE asked in the hereafter about how Muslims were behaving.
You will be asked what YOU did with those teachings.
03. Islam is not a PHYSICAL body that protects any one. It is a set of teachings, whosoever believes in them and acts on them is a True Muslim.
Are you not one of gods laypeople as well as us ?
To be taught something describes a doctrine that was assembled to assimilate peoples mind, body and soul .
What have you learn't ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

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#35827 Jan 1, 2013
The Questioners wrote:
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Are you Stupid, bugou bogan?
Am I stupid ?
The answer can only be given to the one who must be somewhat qualified in that direction to understand the answer.
Are you stupid ?
TeenActivist

Mount Colah, Australia

#35828 Jan 1, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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There was a time in Australia where a Catholic could not marry a Protestant nor have anything to do with them for they would soil each others lives although they prayed in the same direction each Sunday.
But now Catholics marry Protestants, not because of religious affiliations but out of love. The point, as stated in my previous post to you, is that everything takes time.

Pre-1945 Australia, Anglicans/Church of England were the dominant Christian denomination. There was much sectarian rivalry with the Church of England controlling marriage, education, etc. However overtime, Catholics outnumbered Anglicans in 1986 (I think) and through acts eg: Public Instruction Act, they could work together or try to merge.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#35829 Jan 1, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_02_D...

Everything associated with the pilgrimage had pagan origins. Nothing was Biblical. Muhammad knew the truth, but he was desperate to give the hajj a holy spin. His career was dependent upon it. And lest we forget, in our quest to determine his veracity, in this version Adam returns to India after a week of circumambulation. The last time we played this game, he continued to rotate until the flood.

According to the third Caliph, Umar: Tabari I:295 "While Adam was in India Allah revealed to him that he should perform the pilgrimage to this House." As in: it already existed and thus didn't need to be built from the stones of four mountains. Then, "Eventually he reached the House. He circumambulated it and performed all the rites of the pilgrimage. He wanted to return to India. When he reached the mountain passes of Arafat,[the place of Muhammad’s farewell sermon] the angels met him and said,'You have performed the pilgrimage faultlessly.' This surprised him. When the angels noticed his surprise they said,'Adam we have performed the pilgrimage to this House two thousand years before you were created. And Adam felt properly chastised.'" Okay. So tell me, why did the angels go to Mecca to worship Allah if he lived in heaven?

The pages that follow detail the origins of perfume and fruit. We'll take a pass on them and go directly to those things essential to Islam. As you read these words, remember that internal contradiction is one of the surest signs that something is false. Muhammad, we are discovering, is the poster boy for this dubious honor. And our boy's nose is about to grow a mile longer. Tabari I:298 "The Black Stone which was originally whiter than snow was brought down with Adam as well as the staff of Moses. It was made from the myrtle of Paradise, which, like Moses, was ten cubits (five meters) tall, and also myrrh and incense. Then anvils, mallets, and tongs were revealed to him. When Adam was cast down upon the mountain, he looked at an iron rod growing on the mountain. The first thing of iron he hammered was a long knife [also known as a sword]. Then he hammered the oven, the one which Noah inherited and that boiled with the punishment in India. When Adam fell down, his head brushed against heaven. As a result, he became bald and passed on baldness to his children."

What was a rock doing in paradise? If one could take something, wouldn't they pick an implement more useful than a stone? Yet while that stone was worthless to Adam, it was supremely useful for Muhammad. He turned a Meccan meteorite into the creator god of the universe. But Allah’s stone was black. How and why did Snow White turn ugly? Muhammad said, "The stone turned black because it was fingered by menstruating women."

To be continued

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May the Force be with You .

#35830 Jan 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Proph et_of_Doom_02_Devils_Deception s_and_Backrubs.Islam
Everything associated with the pilgrimage had pagan origins. Nothing was Biblical. Muhammad knew the truth, but he was desperate to give the hajj a holy spin. His career was dependent upon it. And lest we forget, in our quest to determine his veracity, in this version Adam returns to India after a week of circumambulation. The last time we played this game, he continued to rotate until the flood.
According to the third Caliph, Umar: Tabari I:295 "While Adam was in India Allah revealed to him that he should perform the pilgrimage to this House." As in: it already existed and thus didn't need to be built from the stones of four mountains. Then, "Eventually he reached the House. He circumambulated it and performed all the rites of the pilgrimage. He wanted to return to India. When he reached the mountain passes of Arafat,[the place of Muhammad’s farewell sermon] the angels met him and said,'You have performed the pilgrimage faultlessly.' This surprised him. When the angels noticed his surprise they said,'Adam we have performed the pilgrimage to this House two thousand years before you were created. And Adam felt properly chastised.'" Okay. So tell me, why did the angels go to Mecca to worship Allah if he lived in heaven?
The pages that follow detail the origins of perfume and fruit. We'll take a pass on them and go directly to those things essential to Islam. As you read these words, remember that internal contradiction is one of the surest signs that something is false. Muhammad, we are discovering, is the poster boy for this dubious honor. And our boy's nose is about to grow a mile longer. Tabari I:298 "The Black Stone which was originally whiter than snow was brought down with Adam as well as the staff of Moses. It was made from the myrtle of Paradise, which, like Moses, was ten cubits (five meters) tall, and also myrrh and incense. Then anvils, mallets, and tongs were revealed to him. When Adam was cast down upon the mountain, he looked at an iron rod growing on the mountain. The first thing of iron he hammered was a long knife [also known as a sword]. Then he hammered the oven, the one which Noah inherited and that boiled with the punishment in India. When Adam fell down, his head brushed against heaven. As a result, he became bald and passed on baldness to his children."
What was a rock doing in paradise? If one could take something, wouldn't they pick an implement more useful than a stone? Yet while that stone was worthless to Adam, it was supremely useful for Muhammad. He turned a Meccan meteorite into the creator god of the universe. But Allah’s stone was black. How and why did Snow White turn ugly? Muhammad said, "The stone turned black because it was fingered by menstruating women."
To be continued
Incredible.

Wouldn't one think that if the stone were god so to speak and it then turns black,wouldn't god be black as well ?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#35832 Jan 1, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Incredible.
Wouldn't one think that if the stone were god so to speak and it then turns black,wouldn't god be black as well ?
The story itself is just too unbelievable to even consider!!!!!!!!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#35833 Jan 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
The story itself is just too unbelievable to even consider!!!!!!!!!
I suppose you could compare their imaginative story telling to that of showing a cigarette lighter to very remote natives for the first time.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#35834 Jan 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Proph et_of_Doom_02_Devils_Deception s_and_Backrubs.Islam
Everything associated with the pilgrimage had pagan origins. Nothing was Biblical. Muhammad knew the truth, but he was desperate to give the hajj a holy spin. His career was dependent upon it. And lest we forget, in our quest to determine his veracity, in this version Adam returns to India after a week of circumambulation. The last time we played this game, he continued to rotate until the flood.
According to the third Caliph, Umar: Tabari I:295 "While Adam was in India Allah revealed to him that he should perform the pilgrimage to this House." As in: it already existed and thus didn't need to be built from the stones of four mountains. Then, "Eventually he reached the House. He circumambulated it and performed all the rites of the pilgrimage. He wanted to return to India. When he reached the mountain passes of Arafat,[the place of Muhammad’s farewell sermon] the angels met him and said,'You have performed the pilgrimage faultlessly.' This surprised him. When the angels noticed his surprise they said,'Adam we have performed the pilgrimage to this House two thousand years before you were created. And Adam felt properly chastised.'" Okay. So tell me, why did the angels go to Mecca to worship Allah if he lived in heaven?
The pages that follow detail the origins of perfume and fruit. We'll take a pass on them and go directly to those things essential to Islam. As you read these words, remember that internal contradiction is one of the surest signs that something is false. Muhammad, we are discovering, is the poster boy for this dubious honor. And our boy's nose is about to grow a mile longer. Tabari I:298 "The Black Stone which was originally whiter than snow was brought down with Adam as well as the staff of Moses. It was made from the myrtle of Paradise, which, like Moses, was ten cubits (five meters) tall, and also myrrh and incense. Then anvils, mallets, and tongs were revealed to him. When Adam was cast down upon the mountain, he looked at an iron rod growing on the mountain. The first thing of iron he hammered was a long knife [also known as a sword]. Then he hammered the oven, the one which Noah inherited and that boiled with the punishment in India. When Adam fell down, his head brushed against heaven. As a result, he became bald and passed on baldness to his children."
What was a rock doing in paradise? If one could take something, wouldn't they pick an implement more useful than a stone? Yet while that stone was worthless to Adam, it was supremely useful for Muhammad. He turned a Meccan meteorite into the creator god of the universe. But Allah’s stone was black. How and why did Snow White turn ugly? Muhammad said, "The stone turned black because it was fingered by menstruating women."
To be continued
It must ahve taken a good ounce of hashish to come up with story like that.
TeenActivist

Mount Colah, Australia

#35836 Jan 1, 2013
sid wrote:
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It must ahve taken a good ounce of hashish to come up with story like that.
Yeah you'd know wouldn't you.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

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#35837 Jan 1, 2013
TeenActivist wrote:
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Yeah you'd know wouldn't you.
What are you on ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

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#35838 Jan 1, 2013
TeenActivist wrote:
<quoted text>
But now Catholics marry Protestants, not because of religious affiliations but out of love. The point, as stated in my previous post to you, is that everything takes time.
Pre-1945 Australia, Anglicans/Church of England were the dominant Christian denomination. There was much sectarian rivalry with the Church of England controlling marriage, education, etc. However overtime, Catholics outnumbered Anglicans in 1986 (I think) and through acts eg: Public Instruction Act, they could work together or try to merge.
You didn't understand what I said.
Catholic versus Protestants all through life and work ,got it ?
sid

Chermside, Australia

#35839 Jan 2, 2013
TeenActivist wrote:
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Yeah you'd know wouldn't you.
So tell me which parts of the second paragraph are bullshit and which parts are true or do you believe all of it to be true.
Islam plot holes 1

Australia

#35840 Jan 2, 2013
Manuscript, documentary and archaeological evidence fail to confirm the claims of Islam. 

The Jews ; The Quran implies that Muhammad severed his relationship with the Jews in 624 AD, soon after the Hijra (migration to Mecca). At that time the direction of prayer, the Qibla, was moved from Jerusalem to Mecca (Sura 2:144, 149-150).
However, non-Muslim sources, the Doctrina Iacobi and the Armenian Chronicle of 660 AD, maintain the Arabs and the Jews were allies as late as 640 AD, during the conquest of Palestine. Muhammad established a community of Ishmaelites and Jews based on their common birthright to the Holy Land. This relationship endured at least 15 years beyond the qur'anic date.
There is no doubt Muhammad himself lived and then died as a jewish outcast desperately trying to redeem himself after his self appointed status as a prophet was rejected by the Jews. 

The Quran is full of boastful then apologetic and contrite explanation from Muhammad himself as to being a 'jewish missionary' in the following  of Tuba'h (a famous Yemenite Arab/Jewish missionary who wrote much of the 'original book of rules' that now forms the basis of the Quran). But Muhammad was outcast for failure in Mekka to convert pagans, in 624 ad after being shunned by the Jews he went on to  incorporate pagan gods into a polytheistic apostasy of Tuba'h's works which was rejected by the Jews. Muhammad then lied about the Jewish intentions to the medina tribes and co-ordinated a treacherous attack on his hosts using Allah as a device to provide justification (see Quran for the full evidence of this). 
Islam plot holes 2

Australia

#35841 Jan 2, 2013
Continued 
Evidence why Islam is fake.
Mecca
According to the Quran, Mecca was the first and most important city in the world. Adam placed the black stone in the original Kaba (sanctuary) there, while Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the Meccan Kaba centuries later (Sura 2:125-127). Mecca was allegedly the centre of Arabian trading routes before Muhammads time.
There is no archeological fact to this. The earliest reference to Mecca is in the Continuato Byzantia Arabica, an 8th century document. Mecca is not on the natural overland trade routes- it is a barren valley requiring a one hundred mile detour. Moreover, there was only maritime Graeco-Roman trade with India after the first century, controlled by the Ethiopian Red Sea port Adulis, not by the Arabs. Mecca was not even a place until first established by the Yemenites in 150ad as a trading post - documented at the time.
 The Quran fantasy of Hagar and Ishmael is a falsehood as there was no Mecca in existence in any form prior to 150 AD, subsequently confirmed with carbon dating and other archeology evidence. 
The Kabba at Mecca was originally a tent structure first established in 450 AD and the current Kabba was built in stages around 525ad. 
The Kabba was an ablutions block being used for the Vedic ritual of gathering and fertility paganised into Sumerian Habal or Sin moon god worship. 
Every town in that area had a Kabba of similar constriction, later these were removed by islamists to concentrate the 'pilgrim trade' to Mekka and Allah.
Therefore a central tenement in Islam, the linkage to Abraham and Hahar/Ishmael is proved false. 
 
Qibla
According to the Quran, the direction of prayer (Qibla) was canonized towards Mecca for all Muslims circa 624 AD, two years after the Hijra (see Sura 2:144, 149-50).
 Yet the earliest archaeological evidence from mosques built at the beginning of the 8th century shows this was in fact  Jerusalem.
Islam plot holes 3

Australia

#35842 Jan 2, 2013
Continued 
Evidence why Islam is fake.
Mecca
According to the Quran, Mecca was the first and most important city in the world. Adam placed the black stone in the original Kaba (sanctuary) there, while Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the Meccan Kaba centuries later (Sura 2:125-127). Mecca was allegedly the centre of Arabian trading routes before Muhammads time.
There is no archeological fact to this. The earliest reference to Mecca is in the Continuato Byzantia Arabica, an 8th century document. Mecca is not on the natural overland trade routes- it is a barren valley requiring a one hundred mile detour. Moreover, there was only maritime Graeco-Roman trade with India after the first century, controlled by the Ethiopian Red Sea port Adulis, not by the Arabs. Mecca was not even a place until first established by the Yemenites in 150ad as a trading post - documented at the time.
 The Quran fantasy of Hagar and Ishmael is a falsehood as there was no Mecca in existence in any form prior to 150 AD, subsequently confirmed with carbon dating and other archeology evidence. 
The Kabba at Mecca was originally a tent structure first established in 450 AD and the current Kabba was built in stages around 525ad. 
The Kabba was an ablutions block being used for the Vedic ritual of gathering and fertility paganised into Sumerian Habal or Sin moon god worship. 
Every town in that area had a Kabba of similar constriction, later these were removed by islamists to concentrate the 'pilgrim trade' to Mekka and Allah.
Therefore a central tenement in Islam, the linkage to Abraham and Hahar/Ishmael is proved false. 
Islam plot holes 4

Australia

#35843 Jan 2, 2013
In the Arab religious texts from the earliest Sufyani period (661-684 AD) there is a monotheistic creed but a complete absence of any reference to Muhammad. 
His name is only found on Arab inscriptions after 690 AD.
 The formula Muhammad rasul Allah (Muhammad is Gods prophet) occurs first on an Arab-Sassanian coin from 690 AD, struck in Damascus. More importantly, the first appearance of the Triple Confession of Faith including the Tawhid (God is one), Muhammad rasul Allah (Muhammad is his prophet) and rasul Allah wa-abduhu (the human nature of Jesus) is in Abd al-Maliks inscription at the Dome of the Rock, dated 691 AD. 
Before this the Muslim confession of faith cannot be substantiated.

Hence, for a full 60 years after the death of Muhammad, the official Arab religious confession did not include Muhammad in its set formulae. Instead it revealed a monotheistic belief, developing Judaeo-Christian concepts in a particular literary style. 
When the Muhammadan creed is introduced, during the Marwanid period (after 684 AD) it appears almost overnight as the only form of official religious declaration in formal documents. 
It seems that Muhammads elevation to the status of universal prophet did not occur until the late 7th century, long after his death.

The Jews retained a relationship with the Arabs until at least AD 640, not 624 AD
Mecca did not exist prior to 150ad and the Kabba did not exist in any form until 450 ad where records exist of it's first establishment as a tent structure. 
The Qibla (direction of prayer) was not fixed towards Mecca until the 8th century, prior it was Jerusalem
The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem was the original sanctuary.
Muhammad was not known as the Seal of the Prophets until the late 7th century; the creeds from Muhammad's time contain a monotheistic religion but no Muhammadan formulae.
The earliest we even hear of mujhammads version of the Quran is not until the mid-8th century. Prior to that the script it is based on is the writings of Tuba'h - a well known and documented Arabic interpretation of the Torah written by the Red Sea Jews in collaboration with Yemminite arabs. 
Muhammad was a follower of Tuba'h as well as the Sabian moon good cult and the current Quran is clearly a synthesis of Tuba'h & Jewish 'book for arabs' then plagiarized to incorporate Allah as a replacement for Yahweh as supreme god (624).

The earliest quranic writings on coins and on the Dome of the Rock do not match current quranic text.
The Quran we now read is not the same as that which was supposedly collated and canonized in 650 AD by Uthman. 
The earliest quranic manuscripts in our possession today (dating from 790 AD) reflect that evolution in the quranic text.
 This challenges the Muslim contention that the Quran contains the original and exact revelation of Allah, as recited by Muhammad and hence strikes at the very heart of the Islamic faith. 

 Muslims can not ignore the evidence that the basis of their religion is shown to be false and an apostasy. 
Poor Muslims

Australia

#35844 Jan 2, 2013
Whew, well that means all those Muslims who wasted their time praying like frogs to a false god got really suckered in.
Surely given all the archeological and historical facts that today's islam is nothing more than a corrupted paganised version of some obscure judaism ishmaelite sect....
you would think there would be enquiring minds and logic within the Muslims to try and reconvert it back to a more pure and believable faith
system?
From what you say, the 'Islam' practiced today is not what even Muhammad believed and a complete made up confected corruption.
Not even a skerrick of historical or archeoligical evidence to support their core beliefs.
Tens of millions rotating themselves around a 1,500 year old toliet block praying to a false god.
I feel sorry for them.
Muslims are truely a lost tribe with no real god hiding behind their made up rituals and false preachings as an excuse of a faith.
Ivan

Australia

#35846 Jan 2, 2013
TeenActivist wrote:
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How can you evaluate every adherent of Islam through this one incident in ONE part of the world?
It's like saying all foods taste the same or all taste the shitt when you haven't tasted every food?
You need to open yourself, look beyond the horizon. We may have different beliefs but that should not differientiate us.
"evaluate every adherent of Islam through this one incident in ONE part of the world? "

One incident in one part of the world, every other day, makes a lot of incidents in many parts of the world.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/01/28125...

One Incident ? Open your other eye
TeenActivist

Mount Colah, Australia

#35847 Jan 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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You didn't understand what I said.
Catholic versus Protestants all through life and work ,got it ?
No I don't. Did you understand me?
TeenActivist

Mount Colah, Australia

#35848 Jan 2, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
So tell me which parts of the second paragraph are bullshit and which parts are true or do you believe all of it to be true.
You've only written a paragraph... Awkward :/

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