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Cyber

Australia

#32770 Oct 13, 2012
MUQ wrote:
In comments about Iran attack, Israeli ex-officials may be sounding the alarm
In the past 72 hours, three former top guns of Israeli intelligence have discussed, with unnerving candor, a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Do they know something that remains opaque to the public?
What had been whispered up to a week or two ago is now publicly audible. The possibility of Israel attacking nuclear facilities in Iran in coming months, before the November presidential elections in the U.S., is a topic of detailed public debate. In the past 72 hours, three former top guns of Israeli intelligence discussed the subject with unnerving candor. Two of them expressed opposition to a unilateral Israeli attack under present circumstances.
Firstly, Ephraim Halevy, former head of the Mossad, was quoted in The New York Times as saying that the Iranians ought to be fearful of the next 12 weeks ‏(the period leading up to the U.S. elections‏). And on Friday evening, two former Israel Defense Forces heads of intelligence, immediate predecessors of Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, spoke out on the Iran topic in television news interviews.
On Channel 2, Maj. Gen. ‏(res.‏) Aharon Ze’evi Farkash related to an impending Israeli attack as though it were a fact, but also averred that it would be a mistake to launch such a strike right now. Ze’evi took exception to Defense Minister Ehud Barak’s assessment that Iran is close to passing the “immunity threshold,” after which its nuclear program would essentially be impervious to an attack. In contrast to this view, Ze’evi believes there will still be time for an effective attack after November 2012 ‏(he reiterated this point in an interview on the Walla website‏).
Maj. Gen. ‏(res.‏) Amos Yadlin, who succeeded Ze’evi as IDF intelligence chief, hinted in a Channel 1 interview that an attack is imminent. Speaking in a somewhat less vehement idiom, Yadlin sounded as though he had doubts about the urgency of launching a unilateral strike against Tehran’s program.
Do these former security chiefs know something which remains opaque to the public? Former IDF intelligence officers continue to have access to security system briefings, even though they are not brought into the actual planning process of a secret military operation. No less importantly, they know how to analyze disclosed, public data − and developments of the past weeks teaches them that the likelihood of an Israeli decision in favor of an attack is now higher than it has been previously.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who apparently continues to want to attack Iran, is now operating against two layers of significant opposition − at home and overseas. In the domestic arena, the IDF general staff and the Mossad are staffed with senior officers who harbor doubts about the wisdom of a unilateral attack in this period; retired security officials, such as the trio which spoke out in past days, reinforce this skepticism.
In terms of overseas pressure, Netanyahu has had to ward off a series of messages and signals casting doubt about the desirability of an attack. One was the visit of U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta last week.
Netanyahu has claimed that Israeli skeptics have “been bringing me PowerPoint presentations [to cover themselves] against future investigatory committees. I tell them they should put away these slides, stop speaking for the historical record, and instead speak straight to the point.”
Straight to the point,

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/

The middle east is a backward mess,and the only ones to blame is the ones who created it.

And its not 1.3 million Jews. Its the billions of Muslims.
Take Responsibility For you own actions and stop blaming.
Abraham

Australia

#32771 Oct 13, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Greetings Abe and hello as well to Gabriel.
I confess I am somewhat confused by the committee of Gods and the Buddha attempting to run Heaven and Earth.
As a reformed miserable Muslim in the desert cities built by infidels now turned happy atheist on the beach, how am to function here on Earth whilst living in a Christian country that I find infinitely preferable to a Muslim country?
I know that speaking to the clerics about my
atheism will result in my murder - but how will
that land me in a Christian heaven if the
committee hasn't sorted it all out yet?
My special regards to Buddha and Shalom as
ever to you and yours
Shalom
My dear Son,
Sorry for the delay, we had some problems in heaven - there was a mass exodus on flying carpets by the salafi's out of their self imposed isolation unit into the christian level. Apparently they arent happy with all the rules they have and there is no one to harangue so they think they are better to infiltrate and torment the Christians instead.(they are after all a Christian creation).
Now they want a mosque in the Christian level and the christians are saying this is becoming hell and are threatening to go to the mormon level.
In answer to your reply.
You want heaven on earth and then heaven.
Go to the cleric.
Explain you want via TAQIYYA to further Islam to become a Christian so you can infiltrate and subjugate. Get the secret pass exemption where on judgement day you can have 2 heavenly passports. This is the Islamic equivalent of Fabianism where you can think and be a non believer but still be unmolested as an Islamic born. Many great Islamic leaders have this.
You can't be atheist or agnostic otherwise you
will end up like Tariq Ali and fall thru the cracks to the burning pork fat fires of hell or even worse you may end up in the Wahabi isolation unit as a as someone to practice their preaching and 28 erections on.
Got to go, the Shia's are complaining now about something the Sunni's said and the Jews fence has 'miracously' moved outwards again between the two, ahh its nonstop up here.
All the best my Son, from all of us in the cloud,
Abe
et enn

Sydney, Australia

#32772 Oct 13, 2012
The new crusade on Menna wrote:
French today announced in Congo a wide African and western based alliance funded by the West in a new holy war against Islam to take back northern Africa (Menna).
First target is Mali then all the sub Saharan lands from Morocco to Egypt.
All of Africa is to repel and then subjugate the lands of Africa tainted by Islam basically.
Wha....?
Andrew

Australia

#32773 Oct 13, 2012
http://www.examiner.com/article/canada-mother...

wanted her children to be essentially raised like all the other children in her adopted nation of Canada.

Masses believe in Christ and live,
Masses accept Islam or die.
..........
There is something inherently wrong with that religion, that drives men to cut open the mother of there children's throat.
MUQ

Sydney, Australia

#32774 Oct 13, 2012
Abraham wrote:
<quoted text>
My dear Son,
Sorry for the delay, we had some problems in heaven - there was a mass exodus on flying carpets by the salafi's out of their self imposed isolation unit into the christian level. Apparently they arent happy with all the rules they have and there is no one to harangue so they think they are better to infiltrate and torment the Christians instead.(they are after all a Christian creation).
Now they want a mosque in the Christian level and the christians are saying this is becoming hell and are threatening to go to the mormon level.
In answer to your reply.
You want heaven on earth and then heaven.
Go to the cleric.
Explain you want via TAQIYYA to further Islam to become a Christian so you can infiltrate and subjugate. Get the secret pass exemption where on judgement day you can have 2 heavenly passports. This is the Islamic equivalent of Fabianism where you can think and be a non believer but still be unmolested as an Islamic born. Many great Islamic leaders have this.
You can't be atheist or agnostic otherwise you
will end up like Tariq Ali and fall thru the cracks to the burning pork fat fires of hell or even worse you may end up in the Wahabi isolation unit as a as someone to practice their preaching and 28 erections on.
Got to go, the Shia's are complaining now about something the Sunni's said and the Jews fence has 'miracously' moved outwards again between the two, ahh its nonstop up here.
All the best my Son, from all of us in the cloud,
Abe
Abe: No problem with the delay. I understand perfectly. In the lapse I've been enjoying my children's progress in science and critical thinking whilst gazing at my beauteous wife's hair and face as she emerges from swimming in the sparking blue sea.

In response to your first statement - I am beginning to understand the Christian phrase "As on Earth, so it is in Heaven"!!!! Who would have thought that I would begin to understand the people I believed were infidels only worthy of death or conversion! Truly, I am amazed.

I suppose it is no surprise that the Christians would be desperate enough to want to move to the Mormon Quarter just to get away from the muslims. Have you thought about checking to see who is funding the mormons' campaign, which I'm sure is intended to make their quarter appear more attractive than any given alternative? I suggest this as it is an old muslim technique with which I am familiar.

I will do some research on the use of taqiyya to further my interests here as a 'practicing non practicing' atheist. Nothing but NOTHING is worth going back to a hairy god-awful (pardon the term) wahabist's hell as I'm sure you well know.

When you have time please let me know how Tariq (if you have that information available) and Buddha are faring and again my regards to you from me and the family.
Phanagoras Thalysios

Australia

#32775 Oct 13, 2012
Andrew wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/articl e/canada-mother-has-throat-sli t-to-spine-for-wanting-kids-ra ised-as-westerners
wanted her children to be essentially raised like all the other children in her adopted nation of Canada.
Masses believe in Christ and live,
Masses accept Islam or die.
..........
There is something inherently wrong with that religion, that drives men to cut open the mother of there children's throat.
The Jews made him do it , right MUQ
rightyo mookie

Maroubra, Australia

#32776 Oct 14, 2012
Hey MUQ:

What were the names of your buddies that raped and murdered staff at the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi?

TeenActivist

Turramurra, Australia

#32777 Oct 14, 2012
rightyo mookie wrote:
Hey MUQ:
What were the names of your buddies that raped and murdered staff at the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi?
Hey rightyo mookie:
What was the name of your buddy that was a paedophile rapist Christian brother that got jailed for 14 years in Australia?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#32778 Oct 14, 2012
Cyber wrote:
<quoted text>
Straight to the point,
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/
The middle east is a backward mess,and the only ones to blame is the ones who created it.
And its not 1.3 million Jews. Its the billions of Muslims.
Take Responsibility For you own actions and stop blaming.
What are you talking about. We never take blame for our actions. We always spin it. We could never do anything wrong. How could billions be wrong. Submit or else.....
yeah right

Melbourne, Australia

#32779 Oct 14, 2012
Humhainna wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you talking about. We never take blame for our actions. We always spin it. We could never do anything wrong. How could billions be wrong. Submit or else.....
Bullsh*t. I've never blamed any (insert race/religion here) for bloody anything that's gone wrong with my country. If you have, that's a problem you'll have to deal with.
Nathan

Australia

#32780 Oct 14, 2012
TeenActivist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey rightyo mookie:
What was the name of your buddy that was a paedophile rapist Christian brother that got jailed for 14 years in Australia?
Did you have a nice day in safe peaceful Christian Australia ? You would not have that in your fathers homeland.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/
Your Syrian Muslim brothers would blow up your family if it helped there cause.
Nathan

Australia

#32781 Oct 14, 2012
yeah right wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullsh*t. I've never blamed any (insert race/religion here) for bloody anything that's gone wrong with my country. If you have, that's a problem you'll have to deal with.
Well, theirs always an exception to the rule, 1 in 2.6 billion. Your one of a kind. Because the rest are.... well

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09/...

Absolutely disgraceful.
yeppers

Melbourne, Australia

#32782 Oct 14, 2012
TeenActivist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey rightyo mookie:
What was the name of your buddy that was a paedophile rapist Christian brother that got jailed for 14 years in Australia?
No quid pro quo there babycakes.

Use your head.
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#32783 Oct 14, 2012
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
So am I Jake just traveling around the country were there is no access
Good to hear Shelia, united we stand......lol
Aspire

Pyrmont, Australia

#32785 Oct 14, 2012
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-new...

Surely a country, with pigs walking up and down its streets, can look after some little old NUCLEAR REACTORS.

Its not like bombs are going off all around the country and its neighbors country's.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#32786 Oct 14, 2012
RM wrote:
It's pretty well known that Saudi hates and fears Iran. You'd like nothing better than to nuke it. Why not just come out and say so?

Oh right -if you did, you'd have to admit that you kill muslims. And that would be bad. So you obfuscate, lie and manipulate instead.

You need to do better than this mookie. Your taqiyya is showing.
Ans.

There might be or there might be any problem between Saudi Arabia and Iran, the question is that it is an internal problem of Muslims and you do not have any business to be concerned one way or the other in it.

Saudi Arabia and Iran have been co-existing for many centuries and there is no possibility that they or one of them would vanish from the earth.

What we hate is that you people trying to exploit the situation and creating fear and mistrust between the two leaders and selling arms and ammunition to both of them…. In case of any fights or struggle both Saudi Arabia and Iran would be the loser.

The gainers would only be you people!!

And this is truth and no TAQIYYA, there is nothing like TAQAIYYA in Islam.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#32787 Oct 14, 2012
Cyber wrote:
Straight to the point,

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/

The middle east is a backward mess, and the only ones to blame is the ones who created it.

And its not 1.3 million Jews. Its the billions of Muslims.

Take Responsibility For you own actions and stop blaming.
Ans.

Thanks for your advice brother. Let us see how Israel figures in the current struggle and how much you people loose.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#32788 Oct 14, 2012
"First Afghanistan, now Iraq. So who's next? Syria? North Korea? Iran? Where will
it all end?' If these illegal interventions are permitted to continue, the implication
seems to be, pretty soon, horror of horrors, no murderously repressive regimes
might remain." - Daniel Kofman, A Matter of Principle: Humanitarian Arguments for
War in Iraq

"My number one priority continues to be the security of the United States, but
also the security of Israel" - Barack Obama - 2012

"If I am president, I will begin by imposing a new round of far tougher economic
sanctions on Iran. I will do this together with the world if we can, unilaterally
if we must." - Mitt Romney

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've
chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision
in that regard. One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping
me get elected because they think I'd be a great president." - Mitt Romney

"Do you know what you are?
You are a manuscript of ; a divine letter.
You are a mirror reflecting a noble face.
This universe is not outside of you.
Look inside yourself;
everything that you want,
you are already that." - Rumi - September 1207 - December 1273 - Persia Poet

August 06/07, 2012
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#32789 Oct 14, 2012
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Obama's October Surprise: Bombing Iran

By Jacob Heilbrunn

August 06, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- A devastating strike would create an upsurge of patriotism in America and fully neutralize Mitt Romney's contention that Obama is a foreign-policy wimp. It could allow Obama to sweep to victory in November.

Will he do it?

One reason he might is that Mitt Romney is singlehandedly pushing the entire debate about Israel and Iran to the right. The parameters have changed markedly. As TNI editor Robert Merry and others have noted, Romney's efforts to ingratiate himself with Jewish donors and voters have prompted him to suspend any notion of an independent American foreign policy in the Middle East. Traditionally, the green or red light for military action has come from America, at least when it comes to actions that directly impinge upon American interests.

Ronald Reagan, for instance, successfully demanded that Israel halt its attacks on Lebanon in 1983. Romney, by contrast, has effectively promised to give Israel a veto power over military action, indicating that he will do whatever Benjamin Netanyahu wants. As Romney observed in December, he would never, ever criticize Israel. Instead, he would get on the phone with Prime Minister Netanyahu and ask, "What would you like me to do?" So it's fair to say that Romney would outsource his foreign policy to Netanyahu when it comes to Israel and its enemies.
]

What's more, anyone who thinks that Romney is bluffing should think again. It's no accident that his senior adviser on the Middle East is Dan Senor, a hard-line neoconservative. As the New York Times notes today, Romney relies upon him for advice and frequently cites his book Start-Up Nation. Senor wasn't dissembling when he said in Israel that Romney was prepared to endorse an attack on Iran—he simply got a little ahead of the program.

Obama has not been far behind in giving Netanyahu close to carte blanche. But he has not gone as far as Romney in endorsing the threat that Iran should be precluded from having the capability of building a nuclear weapon. But as Netanyahu champs, or tries to give the impression of champing, at the bit to bomb Iran, Obama must be weighing whether or not he should call Netanyahu out on his threats. So far, the Obama administration has been doing everything in its power to dissuade Israel from speedy action. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's visit to Israel was another sign that the administration is trying to reassure Israel of its commitment to its security. But his emphasis was on sanctions:

The most effective way to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon is for the international community to be united, proving to Iran that it will only make itself less secure if it continues to try to pursue a nuclear weapon.
But as Romney calls for "any and all measures" to stop Iran, Obama surely could deflate his sails by launching a strike in October. If it worked, he would be hailed as a hero.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#32790 Oct 14, 2012
The consequences of a strike wouldn't be felt for at least a few weeks—the nightmare scenario is that an oil shock would result in a quadrupling of oil prices, plunging the world into a new Great Depression. Enough time for Obama to sail back into office as a tough foreign-policy president. Given Obama's congenital caution and sobriety, he seems unlikely to follow such a course. But it should not be ruled out. The neocons may be closer to helping bring about an assault on Iran than even they realize.

They've already captured Romney. But they may also be on the verge of capturing Obama. Their sustained campaign of pressure, in other words, may be more effective than anyone has acknowledged.

For the fact is that Obama already has amply demonstrated his ruthlessness when it comes to confronting America's adversaries. If he were able to carry out regime change in Tehran, he might even start referring to himself as the new Decider.

This article was originally published at The National Interest ©2010 The National Interest.

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