Intelligence community provides fuller justification for data collection

Jun 16, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CNN

The intelligence community has provided Congress additional counterterrorism justification for the government's controversial stockpiles of telephone and Internet records.

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Jun 16, 2013
 
New speak! Double speak, double plus good. Big Brother, The red sash of the virgin, Victory Gin! Winston Smith, "I understand how but I don't understand why!"
His Torturer, O'Brien, "Power,Dear Winston, Power!"
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Makes sense

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Dick Cheney: NSA Leaker A 'Traitor'
Snowden may also be a Chinese spy, says ex-VP
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Jun 16, 2013
 
Anyone who thinks Snowden is a hero supports a TRAITOR/SPY and hates America and should go to GITMO for waterboarding. This is ONE thing ALL patriotic Americans can agree upon.
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Jun 16, 2013
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillan...

Goodbye, no more fodder for surveillance.

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I think he's a hero! He really shook up all the "Lockstep" Patriots! Real spies never expose themselves. There shouldn't be a gitmo to go to!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
Makes sense wrote:
Anyone who thinks Snowden is a hero supports a TRAITOR/SPY and hates America and should go to GITMO for waterboarding. This is ONE thing ALL patriotic Americans can agree upon.

“Yeah, but...”

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Jun 16, 2013
 
TerryE wrote:
I think he's a hero! He really shook up all the "Lockstep" Patriots! Real spies never expose themselves. There shouldn't be a gitmo to go to!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
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Snowden is no more a hero than Daniel Ellsberg.

No, I don't agree that American citizens should be under surveillance by their own Government, particularly when at home, without due justification. Obama's NSA has over-reached, and so has his IRS and Justice Department. But, there are more appropriate ways to blow the whistle. And, more telling, Snowden's actions after blowing the whistle are not at all heroic.
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Jun 16, 2013
 
TerryE wrote:
I think he's a hero! He really shook up all the "Lockstep" Patriots! Real spies never expose themselves. There shouldn't be a gitmo to go to!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
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Um, China is our enemy and is using technology to steal military secrets and your "hero" who formerly worked on top secret files is taking refuge in China. How stupid exactly are you?????
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Jun 17, 2013
 
SirPrize wrote:
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Snowden is no more a hero than Daniel Ellsberg.
No, I don't agree that American citizens should be under surveillance by their own Government, particularly when at home, without due justification. Obama's NSA has over-reached, and so has his IRS and Justice Department. But, there are more appropriate ways to blow the whistle. And, more telling, Snowden's actions after blowing the whistle are not at all heroic.
Daniel Ellsberg is a hero, and the Pentagon Papers case exposed how the American government remained in Vietnam merely to save face, with no plan to win the undeclared war.

As more of the material that Snowden leaked is made available, I predict that even you will be glad to find out what your government is doing to its own citizens.

A lot of Americans died in Vietnam who didn't have to. Let's not beat up the whistleblowers for trying to save lives.

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Who said Ellsberg wasn't a hero? Any one who cuts the govt off at the knees is OK in my book! Why? Because I'm old enough to remember when the old America, the true America, not this replication of the old DDR that we're experiencing in the present. The endless war, Inflated money, mass surveillance, stupid laws. Fees for everything. All of this with no hope of change for anything but getting worse.
Wake up people! Cheney notwithstanding, we don't need to live this way.
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
SirPrize wrote:
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Snowden is no more a hero than Daniel Ellsberg.
No, I don't agree that American citizens should be under surveillance by their own Government, particularly when at home, without due justification. Obama's NSA has over-reached, and so has his IRS and Justice Department. But, there are more appropriate ways to blow the whistle. And, more telling, Snowden's actions after blowing the whistle are not at all heroic.

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Jun 17, 2013
 
I'd be very stupid if your scenario were real! You are the type of person who believes every headline. PPSSSTT The news is managed! Managed for effect on people just like you. It's us against them, them being the govt. They push us around and steal our money! Scale them back! If you know a secret, shout it from the rooftops!
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
Makes sense wrote:
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Um, China is our enemy and is using technology to steal military secrets and your "hero" who formerly worked on top secret files is taking refuge in China. How stupid exactly are you?????

“Yeah, but...”

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Jun 17, 2013
 
TerryE wrote:
Who said Ellsberg wasn't a hero? Any one who cuts the govt off at the knees is OK in my book! Why? Because I'm old enough to remember when the old America, the true America, not this replication of the old DDR that we're experiencing in the present. The endless war, Inflated money, mass surveillance, stupid laws. Fees for everything. All of this with no hope of change for anything but getting worse.
Wake up people! Cheney notwithstanding, we don't need to live this way.
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
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Actually, it was America who said Ellsberg wasn't a hero. Took him to court, but botched the case. He was accused of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. Is that old enough for you?

But, I'll give you one thing. At least Ellsberg turned himself in. Snowden is not only less heroic, he's less of a man.

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Zombie Corpse Rental wrote:
<quoted text>Daniel Ellsberg is a hero, and the Pentagon Papers case exposed how the American government remained in Vietnam merely to save face, with no plan to win the undeclared war.
As more of the material that Snowden leaked is made available, I predict that even you will be glad to find out what your government is doing to its own citizens.
A lot of Americans died in Vietnam who didn't have to. Let's not beat up the whistleblowers for trying to save lives.
I already am aware of a lot of what our Government has done and continues to do in the name of security.
I don't agree with all of it. So, I really doubt that anything that is made public will change my opinion of Snowden.

By the way, you have been seriously mislead about the Pentagon Papers if you think America's involvement in Vietnam was about saving face.
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SirPrize wrote:
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I already am aware of a lot of what our Government has done and continues to do in the name of security.
I don't agree with all of it. So, I really doubt that anything that is made public will change my opinion of Snowden.
By the way, you have been seriously mislead about the Pentagon Papers if you think America's involvement in Vietnam was about saving face.
Whatever. Continue to believe as you choose, or read the material.
Either way, the facts have been in for decades.
Snowden will turn out to be another American patriot. The UK is already finding out that their government was tapping G8 attendees' comms.
It's just beginning. More revelations to come!

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Jun 18, 2013
 
I was around in the 60s and I recall much of what happened then. Case in point, Jane Fonda was giving aid and comfort to North Viet Nam and received zero prosecution for it. While John Walker Lindh was prosecuted just for being there. He had joined the Taliban when we were still friendly to it. The way I see it, he was a victim of circumstance, wrong place at the wrong time. I never heard his side of it and I'm sure there the US Govt has plenty of Propaganda supporting his 20 years sentence for being in the enemy's camp before they were the enemies. Contrast that with Jane Fonda's life since her escapade and you can see the there's been a sea change in the way the govt handles these. Mr Snowden's manhood notwithstanding, he' s done exactly the right thing to keep himself out of the clutches of the less than merciful US Govt.
Did your president listen to you today?
Regards, Terri
SirPrize wrote:
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Actually, it was America who said Ellsberg wasn't a hero. Took him to court, but botched the case. He was accused of violating the Espionage Act of 1917. Is that old enough for you?
But, I'll give you one thing. At least Ellsberg turned himself in. Snowden is not only less heroic, he's less of a man.

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