NSA surveillance pits liberty against security

Jun 6, 2013 Read more: The Salinas Californian 154

Public disclosure of the federal government's effort to track terrorists through the telephone records of average citizens has reinvigorated a national debate over the balancing act between security and liberty.

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See the Light

El Paso, TX

#1 Jun 6, 2013
Terrorist usually use a pre-paid cell phone you can't trace. What info does Oboma think he's going to get?

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#2 Jun 7, 2013
See the Light wrote:
Terrorist usually use a pre-paid cell phone you can't trace. What info does Oboma think he's going to get?
Political intel.

“It's Time to Defeat Terrorism ”

Since: May 11

NYC

#3 Jun 7, 2013
Evidently, there is no limit on the control and interference of the Obama regime of the private life of every American and every e-mail or test message actually includes now automatically "cc: Obama" . Obama who declared the victory over the al Qaida is going after his political opponents known as conservatives which are half of the Americans who pay 90% of the taxes. Obama declared that there is no such as thing a Mozlem Brother terrorists and the only danger to America comes from the Tea Party. NSA that listen and read all our e-mails failed to stop the Boston Marathon terrorist and did not recognize his picture even if the Russian regime warned Obama regime about the terrorist from Chechnya. Obama gave the terrorists from Boston $100,000 prize as support for housing, college and food stamps even if he knew that the terrorists is Jihadist who came to kill Americans according to the culture of death.
SNIFF THESE

Pittsburgh, PA

#4 Jun 7, 2013
JUST A HAND FULL,of them in 2001,and now washingtons ability to cope ,is more about using anal probes,toe jam inspection ,crotch rot checks,patriot acts SECOND ACTS,riot acts ,riot police, strip searches,and government getting more devious than the perp.where the orwellian 1984 movie about big brother is the REAL REALITY SHOW OF THE YEAR. today if your not a criminal, radical hermaphrodite they will make you one.... while the borders and immigration laws import radical pissed off,multiple personality imports ,then fund them WITH THE WELFARE SYSTEM DOLLARS, JUST LIKE HOME GROWN GANG MEMBERS,IN MAJOR CITIES.now everyones a perp on a list on a computer
lolol

Rio Rancho, NM

#5 Jun 7, 2013
well let's have the nsa report on how many 'terrorists' or wannabees they have ferreted out with the years of this data monitoring and studying. I bet they would have to hand out a blank sheet of paper outlining their successful monitoring and enforcement efforts. Successfully monitored billions of phone, internet records on 300 million US citizens, found zero terrorists.
WHO FUNDS CRIME

Pittsburgh, PA

#6 Jun 7, 2013
it appears that BEFORE 2001, washington never heard of radical islam, radical home grown gangs, radical uses for welfare money, like pressure cookers, hand guns, crack,and who would of thunk of food cards as a discounted income of 50% on the dollar........I saw a headline the other day in which Mark Kirk proposed to arrest literally every single Gangster Disciple in Chicago. That's an estimated 18,000 people... AND THATS JUST CHICAGO...
Guest

Sikeston, MO

#7 Jun 7, 2013
It's not just phones its everything connected to the net. All the major providers are in on it. Big Brother has indeed arrived. Even things you have typed and then erased or deleted.

Defund it and quit voting in politicians that support this. Progressives are the enemy, whether they be republicans or democrats.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/u...
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#8 Jun 7, 2013
Don't forget that when you give up liberty for security you will get nor deserve neither.

Never give up liberty.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#9 Jun 7, 2013
So, teabaggers finally wake from their George Bush coma?

George has had this in place since 2001.

Poor teabaggers.
dont blame me

West Mifflin, PA

#10 Jun 7, 2013
"GHETTO GOVERNMENT " http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/thank-the-gove... at all levels—local, state and federal—is directly responsible for hobbling our cities, draining them of their human capital and mentally and economically crippling those that remain. And all the programs to “help” the cities after the initial wounding just wound up making things worse. Government created the problem and all its supposed balms turned out to be poison. Of .....THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2008.
sheepeloveroyalt y

Bryn Mawr, PA

#12 Jun 7, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
So, teabaggers finally wake from their George Bush coma?
George has had this in place since 2001.
Poor teabaggers.
He sure did and many of Democrats in power at the time signed off on it. I thought Obama was going to get rid of post 9-11 reactionary "policies". But hate to say it but the Bush crew forked America bigtime on this.

This is what happens when you play the reactionary knee jerk politics game. Then you leave these 'temporary' policies in place too long you'll never get rid of them. Part of the process of indoctrination or grooming is stuff done repetatively over time. By itself 'data mining' doesn't seem that bad but in combination with all the other stuff implemented or announced at different times the whole picture becomes very ugly AND DANGEROUS.

What's happening here is now they can't claim those who disagree with these policies and think they are already in place as paranoid anymore. That's what ticking many off in the intelligence community. Guarantee you US enemies and terrorists are aware of or suspect date mining efforts like this. What's makes this stuff even harder to combat is the NCIS or '24' crowd where that 'cool' technology is abused to get 'the bad guy'. Then the grannys and niave love this crap. You also have the 'well if you are not doing anything wrong crowd' enabling this stuff.

Another problem with these policies that were done under the false unofficial premise of an 'emergency' or 'temporary' is that the bureaucrats and government agents will not want to give them up out of laziness let alone legal or ethical reasons. Their job is now handed to them on a silver platter. They also get to do their job under an "ideal academic theoretical world conditions". Under that premise a police state would be the most ideal policy. It's an ends justify the means policy.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#13 Jun 7, 2013
sheepeloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
He sure did and many of Democrats in power at the time signed off on it. I thought Obama was going to get rid of post 9-11 reactionary "policies". But hate to say it but the Bush crew forked America bigtime on this.
This is what happens when you play the reactionary knee jerk politics game. Then you leave these 'temporary' policies in place too long you'll never get rid of them. Part of the process of indoctrination or grooming is stuff done repetatively over time. By itself 'data mining' doesn't seem that bad but in combination with all the other stuff implemented or announced at different times the whole picture becomes very ugly AND DANGEROUS.
What's happening here is now they can't claim those who disagree with these policies and think they are already in place as paranoid anymore. That's what ticking many off in the intelligence community. Guarantee you US enemies and terrorists are aware of or suspect date mining efforts like this. What's makes this stuff even harder to combat is the NCIS or '24' crowd where that 'cool' technology is abused to get 'the bad guy'. Then the grannys and niave love this crap. You also have the 'well if you are not doing anything wrong crowd' enabling this stuff.
Another problem with these policies that were done under the false unofficial premise of an 'emergency' or 'temporary' is that the bureaucrats and government agents will not want to give them up out of laziness let alone legal or ethical reasons. Their job is now handed to them on a silver platter. They also get to do their job under an "ideal academic theoretical world conditions". Under that premise a police state would be the most ideal policy. It's an ends justify the means policy.
Obama and congress failed to repeal it.

Do you think the next president will?

With all the power that comes with it?

When all the ranting quiets down, do you think one congressperson will even mention it?
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Pennington, NJ

#14 Jun 7, 2013
Didn't Ben Franklin say something like 'those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither?'
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#15 Jun 7, 2013
Rep. Mike Rogers, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, says that phone data collected by the NSA "thwarted" a domestic terror plot "in the last few years," Politico reports.

"Within the last few years, this program was used to stop a terrorist attack in the United States," Rogers said. The program is "used to make sure that there's not an international nexus to any terrorism event that they may believe is ongoing in the United States. In that regard, it is a very valuable thing. It is legal," he said.

Rogers' committee hopes to declassify information on the allegedly thwarted plot and make it public.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest also defended the program, calling it a "critical tool."

"The president welcomes the discussion of the trade-off" between national security and individual privacy, Earnest said. He claimed that the program has protected the nation from terrorist threats but said he can't reveal the details. Now, it was claimed that only numbers and duration of calls made were obtained. Hmmmmm, so how do these clowns know that a terrorist plot was thwarted if they don't know the nature of the conversations? More BS from this administration. Bob and weave, bob and weave......... As Odumbo "insists" that conversations aren't being listened to......LOL!!!!!!!!!!
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#16 Jun 7, 2013
On the heels of a series of reports detailing the U.S. government's practice of tracking private citizens' phone and internet use, President Obama on Friday sought to downplay the invasiveness of the procedure, assuring a California audience that "nobody is listening to your phone calls," and that any data tracking is governed by comprehensive oversight spanning all three branches of U.S. government.

"Nobody is listening to your telephone calls," Mr. Obama said, speaking at an event touting his health care law in California. "That's not what this program is about." So, what is the program really about, Mr.Resident?
sheepeloveroyalt y

Bryn Mawr, PA

#17 Jun 7, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama and congress failed to repeal it.
Do you think the next president will?
With all the power that comes with it?
When all the ranting quiets down, do you think one congressperson will even mention it?
The politicos or congress will NOT mention, worry about or do a thing to about it simply because they professional politicians/legislature.

This is all about maintaining the status quo. You need a politician that doesn't over worry about pleasing the grannies and mommies-voters who feel safer because THEIR government is doing what it takes to protect THEM.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#18 Jun 7, 2013
We can not allow our freedoms and liberty to be squelched!
Who is out there to Stand up for our Freedom?
Who will stand with Senator Rand Paul and myself?
I am asking every American citizen to speak up, contact your representatives, Its time to speak up and speak with passion about our wonderful country, The United States of America.
If you chose to ignore these issues, We all lose!
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#19 Jun 7, 2013
Where was Lance a decade ago?

When he implemented wireless wiretaps.

Ignoring the "issues".

Poor teabagger.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#20 Jun 7, 2013
"You can't have 100 percent security and 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," President Obama said, defending the NSA's data-gathering on the telephone and internet use of Americans and saying that the "modest encroachments on privacy" represented by the program are worth the added security it affords the American people. "Modest"??? Like IRS targeting???????? What a joker Odumbo is.
sinic

Kerrville, TX

#21 Jun 7, 2013
read the article at the link for more perspective:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-228...

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