Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot do...

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board

There are 1145 comments on the The Age story from Jul 17, 2014, titled Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board. In it, The Age reports that:

London : A Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has been shot down in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine, claiming the lives of 295 passengers and crew.

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rio

Bromley, UK

#943 Aug 1, 2014
Foo wrote:
Regardles of all silly obfuscating anti-Russian posts , no one has produced a shred of credible evidence to support the myth that Ukraine seperatist , or Russia were responsible for downing MH17.....evidence still points towards the Ukraine government with outside help. The trolls have now moved in to try and cloud the truth , as usual.
You are correct. Even US government officials who claimed as much have been unable to show us evidence. But they swear they have irrefutable proofs.
The state department spoke person even mentioned that the proofs are all over the social media; she means Twitter and Fcebook.

I don't think they are very credible at all. But it's all part of an anti-Russia vilification campaign. It's complete propaganda to stir up emptions and raise public opinion against Russia.

The US are going back to their paranoid "commie-bashing" tactics.
That shows you that the States are going backwards.
That and the NSA scandal sum up America 2014.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#944 Aug 1, 2014
rio wrote:
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Be explicit, rather than cagey and tell me where I backed down.
rio wrote:
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"What people in Russia object to, and that include Ukrainians living in Russia, is the constant hostility of Kiev governments to Russia, and the assumption that Ukraine should receive for free what Russians have to pay for."
tarmo wrote:
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So which is it?
A fair barter? Or not?
You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
rio wrote:
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Business is business, and it ain't for wimps !!!
This is what you backed down from.
rio

Bromley, UK

#945 Aug 1, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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This is what you backed down from.
These posts were in reply to different topics. They are not related.

It's you idiot starting about a fair barter.

You would like you beloved Ukraine to receive energy for free.

Is that not stupid? I think it's very stupid.

What would the rest of Gazprom customers say if Ukraine gets its gas for free anyway?

If Ukraine or any other country find Russian gas too expensive, they can screw themselves and go somewhere else for supply.

I don't blame Russia at all: business is business!!

I spent years as oil broker, Mister, I have never heard something as stupid as your suggestion.

Ukraine had 25 years to find alternative source of energy: they never bothered, so now they have to pay the price. End of story.

Screw them, screw Poroshenko and screw you!!!
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#946 Aug 2, 2014
rio wrote:
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These posts were in reply to different topics. They are not related.
It's you idiot starting about a fair barter.
The posts were very much related.
It was you who wrote about Russia having to pay for what Ukraine would get free. I pointed out that Russia gets free for what Ukraine has to pay dearly. Then you backed out by mumbling something about business as usual.

The stupid is all within you, as always.
Tarmo help needed

Merrylands, Australia

#947 Aug 2, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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The posts were very much related.
It was you who wrote about Russia having to pay for what Ukraine would get free. I pointed out that Russia gets free for what Ukraine has to pay dearly. Then you backed out by mumbling something about business as usual.
The stupid is all within you, as always.
Just an observation 'tarmo'- you are an extremely poor communicator.

It may be that English is not your native language but you are belligerent, pendantic & highly illogical.

You also don't answer the question or you make wild claims with no proof.

In your comments, the words & phrasing are very odd, like you are reading or writing comments via a computer translator.

->Can we ask that you get someone who understands English to help you read the comments ?

->Also if they can check your posts before you submit them ?

Then people on this (English speaking) Australian forum may understand you.

Also if you have a point (it hasn't been clear so far) it may be able to be understood.

Thanks & hope you understand trying to help you here.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#949 Aug 2, 2014
Tarmo help needed wrote:
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Just an observation 'tarmo'- you are an extremely poor communicator.
It may be that English is not your native language but you are belligerent, pendantic & highly illogical.
You also don't answer the question or you make wild claims with no proof.
In your comments, the words & phrasing are very odd, like you are reading or writing comments via a computer translator.
->Can we ask that you get someone who understands English to help you read the comments ?
->Also if they can check your posts before you submit them ?
Then people on this (English speaking) Australian forum may understand you.
Also if you have a point (it hasn't been clear so far) it may be able to be understood.
Thanks & hope you understand trying to help you here.
English speaking I agree with, Australian I have my doubts. Hehehe.
rio

Bromley, UK

#950 Aug 2, 2014
Tarmo help needed wrote:
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Just an observation 'tarmo'- you are an extremely poor communicator.
It may be that English is not your native language but you are belligerent, pendantic & highly illogical.
You also don't answer the question or you make wild claims with no proof.
In your comments, the words & phrasing are very odd, like you are reading or writing comments via a computer translator.
->Can we ask that you get someone who understands English to help you read the comments ?
->Also if they can check your posts before you submit them ?
Then people on this (English speaking) Australian forum may understand you.
Also if you have a point (it hasn't been clear so far) it may be able to be understood.
Thanks & hope you understand trying to help you here.
"belligerent, pendantic & highly illogical."

Not only that, Tarmo is always arguing against the obvious!
Present him some evidences widely accepted, and he will refuse them.

I call him THRUSH, because he is an irritating cnut !!!
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#951 Aug 2, 2014
Tarmo help needed wrote:
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Just an observation 'tarmo'- you are an extremely poor communicator.
It may be that English is not your native language but you are belligerent, pendantic & highly illogical.
You also don't answer the question or you make wild claims with no proof.
In your comments, the words & phrasing are very odd, like you are reading or writing comments via a computer translator.
->Can we ask that you get someone who understands English to help you read the comments ?
->Also if they can check your posts before you submit them ?
Then people on this (English speaking) Australian forum may understand you.
Also if you have a point (it hasn't been clear so far) it may be able to be understood.
Thanks & hope you understand trying to help you here.
"get for free" instead of "get free";

I don't bother to check my spelling as much as I used to.
PS. my SAT score (for foreign student applicants) used to be at 95%, not sure about now.

PPS. You don't seem sincere.
PPPS. I don't think that highly about your functional reading skills based on your 1 comment.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#952 Aug 2, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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"get for free" instead of "get free";
I don't bother to check my spelling as much as I used to.
PS. my SAT score (for foreign student applicants) used to be at 95%, not sure about now.
PPS. You don't seem sincere.
PPPS. I don't think that highly about your functional reading skills based on your 1 comment.
Correction, it was a TOEFL paper test, where I scored 95%. It was about 20 years back.
I also scored 90th percentile in english language during the masters course (90th percentile among our university masters students). FYI, nowadays estonians are ranked among the top 4 nations (of the tested 14 nations) on english language proficiency among the non-english nations.

I have never actually taken a SAT test, although my 8th grade final math exam result was perfect. My functional reading skills should be within the 99th percentile. But sure, I make mistakes.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#953 Aug 2, 2014
English language proficiency skills:
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/analytics/...

Estonia ranked 4th among the 60 countries.
Tarmo help needed

Merrylands, Australia

#954 Aug 2, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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"get for free" instead of "get free";
I don't bother to check my spelling as much as I used to.
PS. my SAT score (for foreign student applicants) used to be at 95%, not sure about now.
PPS. You don't seem sincere.
PPPS. I don't think that highly about your functional reading skills based on your 1 comment.
It's sincere.
This forum is not a grammar test.

Perhaps it's not your English so much as your phrasing and response.

What really comes across is a bad attitude of belligerence and making wild claims, but no proof..

Is this how Estonian's are as a culture ?

Dour, inflexible, highly opinionated and never able to accept any one else's point of view.

Read back. You haven't convinced anyone of your extreme and exaggerated claims and you don't provide any proofs.
But you deny anyone else who often do provide proof.

That's what comes across.

Maybe the suggestion should be modified that 'you get someone with a more open mind' to review your comments before you submit them.

Thanks. Trying to help you here.
CIA Ukraine shootdown

Merrylands, Australia

#955 Aug 2, 2014
A group of USA CIA and administration officials have just signed a petition saying as diplomatically as anyone could that it appears that it was a USA and Ukraine shot down MH17 (to trigger the EU outrage and thus sanctions on Gazprom & the secret TIIP deal).
They warn journalists to this. The USA administration is now blowing the whistle on themselves.
Here is the article (had to abridge to fit) and the link below that for full article.
Tuesday July 29 2014.
A group of former American intelligence officers has published a mémorandum questioning ambiguities and systematic disinformation deployed by the United States government on the subject of the catastrophe of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
Among the signatories can be found former officers of the CIA, like William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center or David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council and Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst, the FBI with Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI, and the State Department like Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department, and Peter Van Buren, U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer.
This is an extremely important initiative, coming at a time when the governments of the United States and European Union, are doing everything to rack up tensions.
They are targeting the Secretary of State, John Kerry, saying:“…we believe Kerry has typically rushed to judgment and that his incredible record for credibility poses a huge disadvantage in the diplomatic and propaganda maneuvering vis-a-vis Russia.
We suggest you call a halt to this misbegotten “public diplomacy” offensive. If, however, you decide to press on anyway, we suggest you try to find a less tarnished statesman or woman.»
It is proof that serious and justified doubts exist in the eyes of these officers formerly in charge.
They then add:“If the intelligence on the shoot-down is as weak as it appears judging from the fuzzy scraps that have been released, we strongly suggest you call off the propaganda war and await the findings of those charged with investigating the shoot-down. If, on the other hand, your administration has more concrete, probative intelligence, we strongly suggest that you consider approving it for release, even if there may be some risk of damage to “sources and methods”.
This is at heart of the issue. If the US Governement has significant proofs concerning the downing of flight MH17, it is of the utmost importantce that these sources are to be released.
They positively state :
« If the U.S. has more convincing evidence than what has so far been adduced concerning responsibility for shooting down Flight 17, we believe it would be best to find a way to make that intelligence public – even at the risk of compromising “sources and methods.”
Moreover, we suggest you instruct your subordinates not to cheapen U.S. credibility by releasing key information via social media like Twitter and Facebook.»
They go further, denouncing the practice and habits of the Secretary of State John Kerry and are clearly alluding to the position he took on the alleged gaz attacks in Syria last August 2013:
“what Secretary Kerry is peddling does not square with the real intelligence"
He blamed with no verifiable evidence, Bashar al-Assad for the chemical attacks near Damascus, as honest intelligence analysts held their noses”
(My comment - later proved to be a CIA Qatar funded attack as revealed to the UK parliament).
The Obama administration is not new to this behaviour.
All 'journalists sabre-rattling on Ukraine to read with care. The truth is emerging and very different from what has been said.
http://www.marianne.net/russe-europe/m/MH17-D...
Site shut down

Merrylands, Australia

#956 Aug 3, 2014
Interesting - the site just got shut down...
Just as well I cut & pasted it.
How long before the CIA media monitoring deletes it off topix..
Here's another link. Read it while you can.

http://www.marianne.net/russe-europe/m/MH17-D...
Foo

Australia

#957 Aug 3, 2014
Site shut down wrote:
Interesting - the site just got shut down...
Just as well I cut & pasted it.
How long before the CIA media monitoring deletes it off topix..
Here's another link. Read it while you can.
http://www.marianne.net/russe-europe/m/MH17-D...
Read it......mmmmm.......dynamite stuff.......and Kerry is trying to negotiate between Israel and Palestine ?....laughable.
CIA Ukraine shoot down

Merrylands, Australia

#958 Aug 3, 2014
Yes it is.
Very senior USA administration and defence forces now directly accuse and raise a petition that the USA and Ukraine deliberately shot down MH17 to blame on Russia.

Kerry is dead meat.
So is Hillary who is tainted in all this.
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The question is will this bring down Obama?
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The only person that can now save Obama is Putin.
If Putin doesn't press it then Obama may survive. Obama will be forced into concessions. That will be to cut lose Ukraine and it will not be part of NATO.

Putin has the USA by the nuts.
Obama is his bitch.
Foo

Australia

#959 Aug 3, 2014
So , you say Obama should be the fall guy ?......he's just the president...who is behind the president ? Americans want their country back , and simply getting rid of Obama will not achieve that.....won't even come close.
Toobigtootouch

Merrylands, Australia

#960 Aug 3, 2014
Foo wrote:
So , you say Obama should be the fall guy ?......he's just the president...who is behind the president ? Americans want their country back , and simply getting rid of Obama will not achieve that.....won't even come close.
You mean the board of Exxon, Chevron and Southwestern - as well as Exxon RasGas and QP Qatar gas ??

these are the collective 5 that are driving the USA & Qatar effort to knock out Gazprom & to leverage in the TIIP deal.

By "getting the USA & Ukraine to commit a deliberate act of premeditated murder of EU & Australian citizens".

These people are literally untouchable.

Boycott Caltex (Chevron) or Mobile (Exxon)- see if they even notice let alone care.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#962 Aug 3, 2014
Toobigtootouch wrote:
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You mean the board of Exxon, Chevron and Southwestern - as well as Exxon RasGas and QP Qatar gas ??
these are the collective 5 that are driving the USA & Qatar effort to knock out Gazprom & to leverage in the TIIP deal.
By "getting the USA & Ukraine to commit a deliberate act of premeditated murder of EU & Australian citizens".
These people are literally untouchable.
Boycott Caltex (Chevron) or Mobile (Exxon)- see if they even notice let alone care.
I have repeatedly pointed out that your USA & Qatar conspiracy theory is a fantasy and does not work in the real world of economics.

But I am all for boycotting Exxon, especially since Exxon has been cooperating with Rosneft.
http://desmogblog.com/2014/04/18/russia-with-...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-27/exxo...
Foo

Red Hill, Australia

#963 Aug 3, 2014
Toobigtootouch wrote:
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You mean the board of Exxon, Chevron and Southwestern - as well as Exxon RasGas and QP Qatar gas ??
these are the collective 5 that are driving the USA & Qatar effort to knock out Gazprom & to leverage in the TIIP deal.
By "getting the USA & Ukraine to commit a deliberate act of premeditated murder of EU & Australian citizens".
These people are literally untouchable.
Boycott Caltex (Chevron) or Mobile (Exxon)- see if they even notice let alone care.
Your on the right trail.....keep following the yellow brick road....all the way to Wall St......(lol)......I shouldn't laugh , because this is certainly no joke......BTW , the road continues through the NY Stock Exchange and then heads for .......?
Foo

Red Hill, Australia

#964 Aug 3, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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I have repeatedly pointed out that
....yes , yes tarmo , we know. You will probably continue to "repeatedly point out" all kinds of things , until your head falls off.....but there will still be no evidence that incriminates Russia , or Vladmir Putin in this tragic affair. Your hate for Russia has become obvious , but it's still no grounds whatsoever to apportion blame to people who are no guilty.........just get over it.

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