Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board

Jul 17, 2014 Full story: The Age 1,148

London : A Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has been shot down in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine, claiming the lives of 295 passengers and crew.

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RUSSIAN TERRORISTS

Surrey, Canada

#878 Jul 29, 2014
Karmarim wrote:
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Astonishing how so many people from Canada, the UK, America, Estonia know exactly what people in Eastern Ukraine want.
A question I have for a long time is why Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship whereas Russia does.
Even MORE astonishing is that people in Moscow think people in Ukraine are their slaves or puppets or something. Very primitive thinking from an increasingly backwards and primitive Russia.

I won't bother mentioning that Russia does not recognize dual citizenship. I won't give you a link to the RussoFascistConsulteGeneral like this:

http://www.consulrussia.org/eng/faq.html

And I won't quote them like this:

"Russian Law does not forbid you to have several citizenships, however, considers you only a Russian citizen and does not recognize dual citizenship, and therefore, requires you to travel in and out of Russia on your Russian passport."

...because that would just make you look like another pathetic shihtty little Russian Fascist spin hack trying to plant more lies.

And that would be impolite.

You're welcome.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#879 Jul 29, 2014
rio wrote:
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I have never heard that a revolution was "legit", and they never are.
Actually quite many revolutions are legit.
rio wrote:
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A revolution is by definition a sudden change of direction in politics to remove forcefully a government and replace it by another, outside the constitutional framework of a country.
Revolution is legit if it is more legit that the regime it replaces.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#880 Jul 29, 2014
rio wrote:
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So now, you want to act as referee in a revolution and decide who is allowed to participate and who isn't?
In relative terms, absolutely!
And especially concerning the leaders.
Myth Buster

Kuching, Malaysia

#881 Jul 29, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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CIA chief is not Chuck Norris.
He alone is of little value at the battlefield.
You think CIA chief went to Kiev to punch rebels?
I don't know what to say.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#882 Jul 29, 2014
Myth Buster wrote:
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You think CIA chief went to Kiev to punch rebels?
I don't know what to say.
It was you who put significance to his visit.
He did not have a legion of followers with him, did he?
Myth Buster

Kuching, Malaysia

#883 Jul 29, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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It was you who put significance to his visit.
He did not have a legion of followers with him, did he?
Lol.
If CIA chief came with James Bond of Mi6, it will be unbeatable.
You are so brilliant! I could never have thought of that.
Myth Buster

Kuching, Malaysia

#884 Jul 30, 2014
New European sanctions against Russia do not look like a big deal.
The stock market hardly moved.
The French are going to sell their amphibious assault ship to Russia after all.
US propaganda machines can take a rest now and go back to reporting some real news hopefully.
Karmarim

Sliema, Malta

#885 Jul 30, 2014
RUSSIAN TERRORISTS wrote:
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Even MORE astonishing is that people in Moscow think people in Ukraine are their slaves or puppets or something. Very primitive thinking from an increasingly backwards and primitive Russia.
I won't bother mentioning that Russia does not recognize dual citizenship. I won't give you a link to the RussoFascistConsulteGeneral like this:
http://www.consulrussia.org/eng/faq.html
And I won't quote them like this:
"Russian Law does not forbid you to have several citizenships, however, considers you only a Russian citizen and does not recognize dual citizenship, and therefore, requires you to travel in and out of Russia on your Russian passport."
...because that would just make you look like another pathetic shihtty little Russian Fascist spin hack trying to plant more lies.
And that would be impolite.
You're welcome.
Again another expert on what Russians think, they should make a degree for it. What's more astonishing is that people who come up with ridiculous comments like yours are probably not even Slavic and don't even know a single Slavic language yet they consider themselves god given experts. It's as if I go around judging the British/Scottish relationship.

Either what I meant was Ukraine does not allow you to have several citizenships, if you are in Ukraine you cannot hold Russia citizenship at ALL, probably why they are protesting in the first place.
larry

Adelaide, Australia

#886 Jul 30, 2014
Deano wrote:
You can't really blame Malaysian airlines for this. there were dozens of international planes in the area. Imagine the uproar here if it had been a Qantas plane. Let's hope whoever did this gets their arses well and truly kicked.
here 2 points not mentioned much . the malaysian flight descended from a higher altitude because ukrainina air traffic control ordered it to as another airline had the same flightpath. then the malaysian pilot deviated again to avoid some turbulent area.The ukrainian governmnet should of suspended air traffic over this area when the war started. the ukrainian governmnet ended the ceasefire, not the rebels. yet they are avoiding blame in the media, as the american media is following the official anti russian line. thye cant tell the truth, only selcted parts that fit there agendas
USA CIA shoot down mh17

Sydney, Australia

#887 Jul 30, 2014
Evidence mounts showing it was a CIA Ukraine shoot down.
No wonder Obama was too gutless to force the EU to trigger the secret TIIP agreement where the USA & Qatar replace Russia gazprom as the 'agreed contingency supplier'.

Clearly Washington are fearful the truth is getting out & can't control the media exposing what really happened & why.

Leaks from within Kiev.
To set the scene by the USA & Ukraine to admit it was 'their mistake' to escape that it was deliberate.

A source within the Ukrainian defense department said that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was 'accidentally' shot down by Ukrainian troops during a military exercise near Donetsk which took place on July 17.

On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile, the source told RIA Novosti.

Although actual use of the rockets was not intended, they were accidentally fired off when two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft flew parallel with but at a different altitude than the Boeing 777, claims the source. When the three aircraft merged and became a single dot on the missile s radar system, the Buk-M1 automatically chose the larger target, leading to the demise of MH17.

The information correlates with what former AP and Newsweek investigative journalist Robert Parry was told by his intelligence source, which was that the U.S. is in possession of satellite imagery which shows men wearing Ukrainian army uniforms firing the missile system that brought down MH17.

Given that Parry won awards for his work exposing the Iran Contra scandal, he has credible and influential sources.

Kiev has still failed to release transcripts from air traffic control communications which were seized by Ukrainian security services immediately after the incident. An Air India Dreamliner flying just 90 seconds behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 say they heard Ukrainian air traffic control give the order for the doomed plane to change route minutes before it was shot down by the Ukraine missile.

Russia has presented radar evidence which it shows Ukrainian fighter jets in the vicinity of MH17 shortly before it was shot down.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#888 Jul 30, 2014
RUSSIAN TERRORISTS wrote:
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Even MORE astonishing is that people in Moscow think people in Ukraine are their slaves or puppets or something. Very primitive thinking from an increasingly backwards and primitive Russia.
.
That is not true.

There were 4 millions of Ukrainians living in Russia before the recent events in Kiev.
Many people in Russia are of dual parentage, and many families are mixed too.
So, the Ukrainian presence in Russia is quite big.

What people in Russia object to, and that include Ukrainians living in Russia, is the constant hostility of Kiev governments to Russia, and the assumption that Ukraine should receive for free what Russians have to pay for.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#889 Jul 30, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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Actually quite many revolutions are legit.
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Revolution is legit if it is more legit that the regime it replaces.
A revolution is never included in the constitution of a country, and I have never heard that it was considered an acceptable form of accession to power.

In other words, you talk complete rubbish !!!

Having said that, I approve of many of them, like the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the overthrow of the Chinese Emperor, etc...
rio

Beckenham, UK

#890 Jul 30, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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In relative terms, absolutely!
And especially concerning the leaders.
You are forever inflating your importance, Tarmo...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#891 Jul 30, 2014
RUSSIAN TERRORISTS wrote:
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Even MORE astonishing is that people in Moscow think people in Ukraine are their slaves or puppets or something. Very primitive thinking from an increasingly backwards and primitive Russia.
I won't bother mentioning that Russia does not recognize dual citizenship. I won't give you a link to the RussoFascistConsulteGeneral like this:
http://www.consulrussia.org/eng/faq.html
And I won't quote them like this:
"Russian Law does not forbid you to have several citizenships, however, considers you only a Russian citizen and does not recognize dual citizenship, and therefore, requires you to travel in and out of Russia on your Russian passport."
...because that would just make you look like another pathetic shihtty little Russian Fascist spin hack trying to plant more lies.
And that would be impolite.
You're welcome.
Your problem is not unusual, all modern day Nazis live in denial.

You know your race the Anglo saxons are a bastard race, the vermin of humanity, the genocidal killers of humanity.

You know all that and yet, you rather live in denial, than face up to it.

You bastards are a sick joke. Hehehehe.
Palmerston

Sydney, Australia

#892 Jul 30, 2014
USA CIA shoot down mh17 wrote:
Evidence mounts showing it was a CIA Ukraine shoot down.
No wonder Obama was too gutless to force the EU to trigger the secret TIIP agreement where the USA & Qatar replace Russia gazprom as the 'agreed contingency supplier'.
Clearly Washington are fearful the truth is getting out & can't control the media exposing what really happened & why.
Leaks from within Kiev.
To set the scene by the USA & Ukraine to admit it was 'their mistake' to escape that it was deliberate.
A source within the Ukrainian defense department said that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was 'accidentally' shot down by Ukrainian troops during a military exercise near Donetsk which took place on July 17.
On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile, the source told RIA Novosti.
Although actual use of the rockets was not intended, they were accidentally fired off when two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft flew parallel with but at a different altitude than the Boeing 777, claims the source. When the three aircraft merged and became a single dot on the missile s radar system, the Buk-M1 automatically chose the larger target, leading to the demise of MH17.
The information correlates with what former AP and Newsweek investigative journalist Robert Parry was told by his intelligence source, which was that the U.S. is in possession of satellite imagery which shows men wearing Ukrainian army uniforms firing the missile system that brought down MH17.
Given that Parry won awards for his work exposing the Iran Contra scandal, he has credible and influential sources.
Kiev has still failed to release transcripts from air traffic control communications which were seized by Ukrainian security services immediately after the incident. An Air India Dreamliner flying just 90 seconds behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 say they heard Ukrainian air traffic control give the order for the doomed plane to change route minutes before it was shot down by the Ukraine missile.
Russia has presented radar evidence which it shows Ukrainian fighter jets in the vicinity of MH17 shortly before it was shot down.
Interesting as the USA has a long history in such things.
I'm pretty sure the Ukraine shot down a civilian plane once before and covered it up and denied it until confronted by evidence like this.
The truth will come out.
Bournesp

Sydney, Australia

#893 Jul 30, 2014
USA routinely does such things.
The USA wouldn't blink in killing innocent people on a plane to blame Russia and steal the gasprom contract,
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#894 Jul 30, 2014
larry wrote:
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here 2 points not mentioned much . the malaysian flight descended from a higher altitude because ukrainina air traffic control ordered it to as another airline had the same flightpath. then the malaysian pilot deviated again to avoid some turbulent area.The ukrainian governmnet should of suspended air traffic over this area when the war started. the ukrainian governmnet ended the ceasefire, not the rebels.
There rebels never started their part of the ceasefire, just as the south ossetians supervised by Russian silovikies prior to the escalation of the Georgian war in 2008.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#895 Jul 30, 2014
rio wrote:
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A revolution is never included in the constitution of a country, and I have never heard that it was considered an acceptable form of accession to power.
If the regime violates the constitution and legislation more than the revolution, then the revolution is more legit.
rio wrote:
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Having said that, I approve of many of them, like the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the overthrow of the Chinese Emperor, etc...
Robespierre, you are a very exceptional person. In fact you may be the only person in France with such views. I used to give you a reference to stats on a survey for such occasions.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#896 Jul 30, 2014
rio wrote:
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That is not true.
There were 4 millions of Ukrainians living in Russia before the recent events in Kiev.
Many people in Russia are of dual parentage, and many families are mixed too.
So, the Ukrainian presence in Russia is quite big.
What people in Russia object to, and that include Ukrainians living in Russia, is the constant hostility of Kiev governments to Russia, and the assumption that Ukraine should receive for free what Russians have to pay for.
A fair barter would be equal treatment.
Ukraine would give Russia what Ukraine gets free and Russia gives Ukraine, what Russia gets free. Russia gets an awful lot of Turkmenistan gas essentially for free. Ukraine would like some at the same low price.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#897 Jul 30, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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If the regime violates the constitution and legislation more than the revolution, then the revolution is more legit.
.
Tell us where Yanukovich violated the Ukrainian constitution.

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