Indonesia The Poorest Country in Asia?

Indonesia The Poorest Country in Asia?

There are 174 comments on the www.scoop.co.nz story from Aug 29, 2012, titled Indonesia The Poorest Country in Asia?. In it, www.scoop.co.nz reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#180 Aug 7, 2013
Young Malaysian Boy wrote:
<quoted text>ihihihihix. you dumdum indiot inDOGs or filiPIGS? which ones are you?? you donno means saying telled?? it the passed tence of tell! hixhixhix. so what you do in OZ as inDOGS/filiPIGS? do you cleaned the DUBUR/PANTAT of kangaroos? poor you! Malaysian people never goes abroad to work as slave like you! and mind you! malaysian people iq higher than inDOGs/filiPIGs.
you young boy, got to seek some psychiatrist help there. i see that you have insecurities and complexity issue of being mixed up with your own messed up minds... Malaysia is a hellhole too you know, they may looked better (for being lower in population) but at some point failing ot give its own population the democracy because they're surpressed by political dynasty. these political dynasty are controlling the media, the way people think, no freedom of speech, no religious freedom, none nothing... what kind of a country is this? and you expect expat to live in such country that cover its face while in reality are rotting from its reality inside?
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#181 Aug 7, 2013
Malaysian wrote:
<quoted text> Psst.. The fact is Indonesia hates us commonwealth countries so much so that they'd rather live in huts than learn proper English.. Their mentality is 50 years backward and still believe strongly in Sukarno's struggle to free this region from British proxy..
ohh no no you get it all wrong, the Indonesian didn't hate the commonwealth at all but despises their colonizer the Dutch, which again explain the non-existence of the English language there. The fact that the Dutch tries to retake Indonesia after their independence makes their relation much worser, and "Nederlandse" influence as unwanted. It doesn't surprise me when third world country like Malaysia, India or Philippines being able to speak English (not-so properly) is largely from its colonial influence. When you ask the Vietnamese wether they can speak French or not, well the answer is no but then like the Indonesian it is not something you can call "backwarded" or even wrong at some point. And again i hate to speak out when you call this beautiful people as being backwarded minded, because they're enjoying things that are called "democracy" and that Suharto whatever are gone "dead". The Indonesian are currently enjoying true democracy and freedom in things like speech, religion and media while on the contrary Malaysia didn't. Being in the commonwealth itself, didn't change the way political dynasty there the so called "bn" rules. The media are blocked away and controlled by its state, the people aren't allowed to freely express and are surpressed and people just simply can't enjoy what they want to belief in. Of course Indonesia is isn't all perfect but then Malaysia is worse too at many point of its existence. Being the "pro-Bumiputras" while letting all other minorities rot in their misery and rising up people of their own interest are one of the worse and racist system in the world.
Malaysian

Ara Kuda, Malaysia

#182 Aug 7, 2013
Bogensexpat wrote:
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ohh no no you get it all wrong, the Indonesian didn't hate the commonwealth at all but despises their colonizer the Dutch, which again explain the non-existence of the English language there. The fact that the Dutch tries to retake Indonesia after their independence makes their relation much worser, and "Nederlandse" influence as unwanted. It doesn't surprise me when third world country like Malaysia, India or Philippines being able to speak English (not-so properly) is largely from its colonial influence. When you ask the Vietnamese wether they can speak French or not, well the answer is no but then like the Indonesian it is not something you can call "backwarded" or even wrong at some point. And again i hate to speak out when you call this beautiful people as being backwarded minded, because they're enjoying things that are called "democracy" and that Suharto whatever are gone "dead". The Indonesian are currently enjoying true democracy and freedom in things like speech, religion and media while on the contrary Malaysia didn't. Being in the commonwealth itself, didn't change the way political dynasty there the so called "bn" rules. The media are blocked away and controlled by its state, the people aren't allowed to freely express and are surpressed and people just simply can't enjoy what they want to belief in. Of course Indonesia is isn't all perfect but then Malaysia is worse too at many point of its existence. Being the "pro-Bumiputras" while letting all other minorities rot in their misery and rising up people of their own interest are one of the worse and racist system in the world.
Well thanks for the information there. Very enlightening. There are certain points which you have missed there sir. Firstly, the Malaysian mastery in the English language is fair and not to be degraded as well. Secondly, BN style of governing is at all that undemocratic as you would like to believe. The non malays are still given a lot of opportunities and the Chinese who are the most economically successful community in Malaysia are still able to go on plying their business without any hindrance, the Indians and other groups as well. This is evidently clear when you go to the commercial districts and malls in Kuala Lumpur and all other places in Malaysia for that matter where Chinese still dominate the commerce. In fact, the current Prime Minister are still giving attention to the Chinese despite criticism from the Bumiputra Malays. Its not true that Malaysia is having some sort of backwardness in democracy practice. Rather, wouldn't it be better to say that the current ruling party is trying to strike a balance without going toward any extremities?
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#183 Aug 7, 2013
Malaysian wrote:
<quoted text> Well thanks for the information there. Very enlightening. There are certain points which you have missed there sir. Firstly, the Malaysian mastery in the English language is fair and not to be degraded as well. Secondly, BN style of governing is at all that undemocratic as you would like to believe. The non malays are still given a lot of opportunities and the Chinese who are the most economically successful community in Malaysia are still able to go on plying their business without any hindrance, the Indians and other groups as well. This is evidently clear when you go to the commercial districts and malls in Kuala Lumpur and all other places in Malaysia for that matter where Chinese still dominate the commerce. In fact, the current Prime Minister are still giving attention to the Chinese despite criticism from the Bumiputra Malays. Its not true that Malaysia is having some sort of backwardness in democracy practice. Rather, wouldn't it be better to say that the current ruling party is trying to strike a balance without going toward any extremities?
a chinese in order to be successful must have a malay partner or sort of in order to legally establish a business there, no dear friend there are still alot of nasty politic behind the table. "Hak Istimewa Melayu" or Malays special right isn't it? where the malays are to benefit more anyway. And if bn are ruling undemocratically they shouldn't promote talks of democracy in the first place, there are no democracy in the first place, there are no going toward extremism when there are protest (bersih something) in KL demanding equal right for its people. Tell me how does equal right and freedom of choice among its populace could bring instability or extremeism?
Malaysian

Ara Kuda, Malaysia

#184 Aug 8, 2013
How does equal right and freedom of choice among Malaysia's populace could bring instability or extremism? Well that's a quite easily explained dilemma, friend. When we say BN as the ruling party in Malaysia is ruling democratically and moderately this is because there is a basis to it. This can't be said of the PR coalition which is uneasy bedfellows of differing agendas at best. Just take a look at the unequal parties under its wings as reference. There is PKR which was formed solely to seek justice for one so called unjustly persecuted politician who had better in any case retire at the moment one in the person of Anwar Ibrahim. His struggle is an invalid one and full of false accusations leveled toward the government which mainly stem from his personal vendetta and broken ambition. Under its wings hide extremely unhealthy liberal group whose sole aim is to demolish moderate Islamic governance of Malaysia and put in its place one which is supposedly to promote equality and transparency which at the same time carries the LGBT agenda which is lethal for the culture and way of life of our eastern society. On the other extreme of this coalition is PAS which main agenda is to establish an Islamic Theocracy which upholds the outdated Islamic laws as hudud as its biggest bait for the muslim community. Again, another uneasy fellow partner is the DAP party which mainly cater for the Chinese with its battle cry of Malaysian Malaysia all the while faring no better than BN with its Chinese favoritism and chauvinism. So its clear now that despite what the protesters claim to fight for in term of equal right, freedom and transparency, what they really want is to stage a coup de tat on a government which in all cases are a lot functional and moderate than what they want the international society to believe.
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#185 Aug 8, 2013
Malaysian wrote:
How does equal right and freedom of choice among Malaysia's populace could bring instability or extremism? Well that's a quite easily explained dilemma, friend. When we say BN as the ruling party in Malaysia is ruling democratically and moderately this is because there is a basis to it. This can't be said of the PR coalition which is uneasy bedfellows of differing agendas at best. Just take a look at the unequal parties under its wings as reference. There is PKR which was formed solely to seek justice for one so called unjustly persecuted politician who had better in any case retire at the moment one in the person of Anwar Ibrahim. His struggle is an invalid one and full of false accusations leveled toward the government which mainly stem from his personal vendetta and broken ambition. Under its wings hide extremely unhealthy liberal group whose sole aim is to demolish moderate Islamic governance of Malaysia and put in its place one which is supposedly to promote equality and transparency which at the same time carries the LGBT agenda which is lethal for the culture and way of life of our eastern society. On the other extreme of this coalition is PAS which main agenda is to establish an Islamic Theocracy which upholds the outdated Islamic laws as hudud as its biggest bait for the muslim community. Again, another uneasy fellow partner is the DAP party which mainly cater for the Chinese with its battle cry of Malaysian Malaysia all the while faring no better than BN with its Chinese favoritism and chauvinism. So its clear now that despite what the protesters claim to fight for in term of equal right, freedom and transparency, what they really want is to stage a coup de tat on a government which in all cases are a lot functional and moderate than what they want the international society to believe.
yes you are typical bn supporter that could justify anything while igoring reality that has been done among the dirty politics of Malaysia and the big result are disunity of the society in Malaysia which are the complete oposite of Singapore where they had successfully respected each culture into 1 blend of pot which is "Singapore. While in Malaysia it appear most of its people have serious identity issue of being confused of what they really are, as such "Chinese" Malaysian or "Indian" Malaysian or even "Eurasians" Malaysian, obviously these ar signs of it. If you notice it hard enough each of the races in Malaysia couldn't care for each other enough due to its status. If you call bn as having chinese favoritism you are obviously setting a blind eye on yourself about the reality of the unfair government that are obviously didn't care enough about anything else than "Malays" or even "Islam" favoritism. What most Malaysian wants are offered by the other oposition party that are on everyday basis used as a scapegoat on everything that is bad, the media would talk about anything as ridiculos if it means to humiliate the PAS government. And when you call bn as something democratic you are obviously going banana, bn has been surpressing their own people despite all the oportunities that could've been made, they even try this 1Malaysia thingy that obviously fail to obtain the heart of its people because simply that there are no equality among its races that are suffering from their own identity complexity.
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#186 Aug 8, 2013
"demolish moderate Islamic governance of Malaysia and put in its place one which is supposedly to promote equality and transparency which at the same time carries the LGBT agenda which is lethal for the culture and way of life of our eastern society"
funny you should mention that as well, when you consider your government as "moderate" by the way your own people speaks its obviously not that moderate is it? and it appear that LGBT agenda itself are still not that open for its society in Malaysia nor even Indonesia, but of course they're walking around the streets of Kuala Lumpur without any problem from what i've seen.
Malaysian

Ara Kuda, Malaysia

#187 Aug 8, 2013
BN is just a ruling party which is doing and giving its best for the people and as an old and established institution it sure knows what is best for the people. The opposition is a messy coalition of extreme parties peddling extreme forms of politic. Their members are two faced pretenders who are ready to backstab and slay their own partners in crime given the chance. You should really not promote the kind of extreme and backward form of Islam that PAS is fighting for. Surely you don't want to be ruled by that kind of Islamic party which will plunge the country into the dark age, do you? The presence of the marginalized LGBT on the streets doesn't mean that it is allowed by the laws. It is just nature rearing its ugly head that no laws can stop. As long as the constitution says no to LGBT then it's okay.
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#188 Aug 8, 2013
Malaysian wrote:
BN is just a ruling party which is doing and giving its best for the people and as an old and established institution it sure knows what is best for the people. The opposition is a messy coalition of extreme parties peddling extreme forms of politic. Their members are two faced pretenders who are ready to backstab and slay their own partners in crime given the chance. You should really not promote the kind of extreme and backward form of Islam that PAS is fighting for. Surely you don't want to be ruled by that kind of Islamic party which will plunge the country into the dark age, do you? The presence of the marginalized LGBT on the streets doesn't mean that it is allowed by the laws. It is just nature rearing its ugly head that no laws can stop. As long as the constitution says no to LGBT then it's okay.
ohh i do understand that being ruled by old-fashioned Islamic rule is neither Indonesian sides are wanting, just so you know there are a group called FPI (front pembela islam) which are aiming the same crap as PAS but neither winning the heart of the people because all they did is violence and extremism. If what you consider moderate in Malaysia today would be worse than of course i wouldn't be interested in seeing so, but again i wouldn't see it possible with the large amoung of other ethnic minorities who are of no interest of having so. I wonder howthey corporate democracy with old-Islamic law but of course its neither of my business. What bn have achieved are really something that has been in their own interest rather than its people if you had notice more, cuz the freedom, racism and dirty politics in Malaysia is no toying ground but for few corrupt officials.
Malaysian

Ara Kuda, Malaysia

#189 Aug 9, 2013
Now then, at least we are sitting on the same ground now, friend. Good on you. Well from your description Indonesians are wizening up for objecting the extremist form of Islam. I'm sure FPI is worse than PAS because PAS is only fighting to establish Islamic theocracy and stopping short of blowing up innocent people or taking up armed rebellion. As of why BN is having a loss in popularity, it all boils down to the lack of charisma of the current leadership. It was different under the previous Prime Minister Tun Mahathir. With his visionary leadership and strong character he had accomplished far more achievements for Malaysia that brought pride to the country.
Bogensexpat

Denpasar, Indonesia

#190 Aug 9, 2013
Malaysian wrote:
Now then, at least we are sitting on the same ground now, friend. Good on you. Well from your description Indonesians are wizening up for objecting the extremist form of Islam. I'm sure FPI is worse than PAS because PAS is only fighting to establish Islamic theocracy and stopping short of blowing up innocent people or taking up armed rebellion. As of why BN is having a loss in popularity, it all boils down to the lack of charisma of the current leadership. It was different under the previous Prime Minister Tun Mahathir. With his visionary leadership and strong character he had accomplished far more achievements for Malaysia that brought pride to the country.
nor theocracy is the interest of the Indonesian or any sort of sharia law, generally people are more content this way than any sort of law... so people in Indonesia are free to do what they like, while valuing their own belief on religious value than being forced to practice it... a bad example of sharia would be Acheh, despite the fact that most of its populace despises the law and are fleeing to other provinces... and well fpi is worse than pas but atleast didn't really taken part in any terrorism or so
Ordinary Indonesian

Bogor, Indonesia

#191 Aug 29, 2013
In Malaya, educated Malays joined the civil service and worked closely with the British rulers. Until the British granted independence to them.

Dutch/Japanese-educated Indonesians formed the Indonesian Nationalist Party (PNI) in 1927. It later became a clandestine movement that triggers armed rebellions and leads to Independence.

Hmmm ... that speaks for itself ... ooh now I know why where they got their shoes ....
Ordinary Indonesian

Bogor, Indonesia

#192 Aug 29, 2013
Pemburu Indon wrote:
<quoted text>
well said bro,, probably this Indon pig don't even know how to waer a shoe.. still living in a jungle and usually takes a dump by the riverside... he he he
In Malaya, educated Malays joined the civil service and worked closely with the British rulers as obeying servants. Until the British granted independence to them.

Dutch/Japanese-educated Indonesians formed the Indonesian Nationalist Party (PNI) in 1927. It later became a clandestine movement that triggers armed rebellions and leads to Independence.

Hmmm ... uuuugh ... now I know why and where they got their shoes ...
INDON Idiot

Silchar, India

#193 Aug 29, 2013
starmild wrote:
<quoted text>malon otak kontol gak nyambung masih pamer kebodohan sok sok bahasa british karena malu pake bahasa mereka yang bunyinya seeprti babi ngentot he he he :P
Jls2 yg tolol n gak nyambung itu lo, emg trit ini bhs inggris, gak bisa bhs inggris sok2 masuk ditrit bhs inggris, idiot

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