'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276662 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Los Angeles Times.

John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290421 Dec 14, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-28A
Back in 2003 when Ovadia was trading under the name Moving Express, Inc., he was using a Hollywood, Florida address.
In Gerald Shea's memorandum which cites the DEA report, Shea writes: "A third principal was Hanan Serfaty (or Sarfati), a team leader residing in Hollywood, Florida. When questioned by the DEA in Tampa, Florida, on March 1, 2001, he had in his possession bank deposit slips amounting to more than $100,000 from December 2000 through the first quarter of 2001, and withdrawal slips for slightly less than that amount during the period.
Mr. Serfaty served in the Israeli military between the ages of 18 and 21, but refused to disclose to the DEA his activities between the ages of 21 and 24, including his activities since his U.S. arrival at age 23 in 2000.14 Another was Peer Segalovitz of Tamarac, Florida (about 20 miles west of Hollywood—see MAP 1), an active officer in an Israeli special forces battalion who commanded 80 men in the Golan Heights. He was detained in Orlando on May 3, 2001."
Shea continues: "...in June 2001, just two or three months before the September 11 hijackings, 15 of the 19 future hijackers were also living in Hollywood, nine in the town itself and six in surrounding towns (see Exhibit B and MAPS 1 and 2). Hollywood, for months, had been and would continue to be the staging ground for the hijacking of the World Trade Center Planes and the Pennsylvania Plane. Among the Israeli groups, more than 30 lived in the Hollywood area, 10 in Hollywood itself."
Contd.
According to you these people "huffed and they puffed and they blew the house down"?
ABs

Grayson, GA

#290422 Dec 14, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There is gravity and there are also laws of motion. You have to consider both.
If gravity was the "Only" concern, why Controlled demolition is "such a specialized field"? Every Tom, Dick and Harry could do it!!
You have no answer to explain the fall of WTC towers and you are just running here and there, to lay your hand on any thing.
Can you say BUSTED? Glad you finally cleared that up...so keeping in mind this LAW OF MOTION...what affect would this law have had on the moon splitting in half? IF you have no answer to support the greatest conspiracy of ALL TIME other than BLIND support, why do you condemn others that believe it is feasible that once the law of motion initiates a downward motion the laws of gravity take over? Should we discuss the 3 legged stool and fat girl scenario again?
ABs

Grayson, GA

#290423 Dec 14, 2013
Comrade MUQ'ster..why lands of islam not helping those poor syrian refugees in Lebanon that are having to burn their shoes and socks in an effort to stay alive and warm during this unusually cold weather snap of snow and freezing temperatures in the muddle east?

I see it snowed 6 inches in Jerusalem recently. I don't by it but some say that is a sign from allah that it will be a cold day in hail before jews are chased off of their land a third time...never again will the muslim hoardes steal the lands of the rightful first and second temple land owners...
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290424 Dec 14, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>According to you these people "huffed and they puffed and they blew the house down"?
That is what is the "official position"!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290425 Dec 14, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-29

The infamous Dominick Suter, leader of the Mossad front "Urban Moving Systems Inc." who fled to Israel on September 14, 2001 after his underlings had been arrested on the afternoon of September 11, is mentioned several times in the DEA report. He is recognized as the leader of the New Jersey group, and was also involved in Los Angeles.

Freelance journalist Christopher Ketcham writes about the proximity of the Israelis' and the alleged hijackers' addresses: "One 'art student' was a former Israeli military intelligence officer named Hanan Serfaty, who rented two Hollywood apartments close to the mail drop and apartment of Mohammed Atta and four other hijackers. Serfaty was moving large amounts of cash: he carried bank slips showing more than $100,000 deposited from December 2000 through the first quarter of 2001;

other bank slips showed withdrawals for about $80,000 during the same period. Serfaty's apartments, serving as crash pads for at least two other 'art students', were located at 4220 Sheridan Street and 701 South 21st Avenue. Lead hijacker Mohammed Atta's mail drop was at 3389 Sheridan Street--approximately 2,700 feet from Serfaty's Sheridan Street apartment. Both Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, the suicide pilot on United Airlines Flight 175, which smashed into World Trade Center 2, lived in a rented apartment at 1818 Jackson Street, some 1,800 feet from Serfaty's South 21st Avenue apartment."

In another account, four other alleged "hijackers" used the 3389 Sheridan Street address. The clowns who wrote the script couldn't even agree on whether it was supposed to be Atta's or Suqami's passport that was "found". In any case, Israeli moving firms such as Moving On Up, Inc., use exactly the same street number, albeit with a different suite number:#159 as opposed to #256 . Moving On Up's operation at that address began in October 2000, which is a few months after Mohamed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi arrived in Florida. The Israelis behind this company are Haim Shalem and Tal Lavie, who are reputedly backed by "Israeli and Russian organized crime interests".

Lavie is the President of Moving On Up, Inc. and Mark D. Cohen is the registered agent. In February 1999, Tal Lavie's corporation Budge It Moving & Storage Inc. was revoked after failing to respond to 60 days' notice of intent to dissolve for failure to maintain a registered agent on whom process may be served at the registered office. Haim Shalem, who calls himself the "customer claims supervisor" of Moving On Up, is a director of several Florida moving companies, and is President of Continental Nationwide Moving Services, Inc., which also uses the 3389 Sheridan Street address. Michael Ronen originally was a director of Moving On Up, but resigned on October 24, 1999.

In February 2005, an Israeli of that name was director of the Pacific department in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, negotiating with New Zealand's Ankara ambassador in 2005 in the wake of the Mossad stolen passports scandal.

MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290426 Dec 14, 2013
Rudi Dekkers was the operator of Huffman Aviation, which ran the Florida flight school that trained two of the alleged "suicide pilots": Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi. In February 2001 Richard Boehlke, of Portland, Oregon, lent a couple of planes to Dekkers. Independent journalist Daniel Hopsicker reported that Boehlke is linked to failed Portland investment advisory firm Capital Consultants LLC, having known its former CEO Jeffrey Grayson for many years.

On September 21, 2000, federal authorities seized control of Capital Consultants. The firm's senior executives, father and son Jeffrey L. Grayson and Barclay L. Grayson, were found to have been running a "Ponzi-like scheme" to cover up the loss of $160 million of client money.

On October 1, 2000, the New York Times reported that civil suits had been filed against the trustees of the Oregon Laborers Union's retirement funds, seeking to recover $225 million in losses. The Securities and Exchange Commission had briefly suspended Jeffrey Grayson in 1976 for investing $280,000 of retirement funds in a mortgage certificate that turned out to be worthless.

The Times also noted that Capital Consultants had made a relatively small investment of $6 million with Title Loans of America, which is owned by two trusts whose sole beneficiary is Alvin I. Malnik, a lawyer, businessman and reputed mobster in South Florida. Title Loans charged its clients interest of up to 264 percent a year. Norm Sepenuk, a Portland criminal defense lawyer who represented Grayson, told The Oregonian that Title Loans was a safe investment for Capital's clients, the deal was totally legitimate, it was a "perfect loan", and Grayson had "checked" out Malnik and "determined that he was fine".

In December 2001 an amendment was filed in which Title Loans of America, Inc., a profit corporation registered in Florida, changed its name to Community Loans of America, Inc..

Contd.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290428 Dec 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-29
The infamous Dominick Suter, leader of the Mossad front "Urban Moving Systems Inc." who fled to Israel on September 14, 2001 after his underlings had been arrested on the afternoon of September 11, is mentioned several times in the DEA report. He is recognized as the leader of the New Jersey group, and was also involved in Los Angeles.
Freelance journalist Christopher Ketcham writes about the proximity of the Israelis' and the alleged hijackers' addresses: "One 'art student' was a former Israeli military intelligence officer named Hanan Serfaty, who rented two Hollywood apartments close to the mail drop and apartment of Mohammed Atta and four other hijackers. Serfaty was moving large amounts of cash: he carried bank slips showing more than $100,000 deposited from December 2000 through the first quarter of 2001;
other bank slips showed withdrawals for about $80,000 during the same period. Serfaty's apartments, serving as crash pads for at least two other 'art students', were located at 4220 Sheridan Street and 701 South 21st Avenue. Lead hijacker Mohammed Atta's mail drop was at 3389 Sheridan Street--approximately 2,700 feet from Serfaty's Sheridan Street apartment. Both Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, the suicide pilot on United Airlines Flight 175, which smashed into World Trade Center 2, lived in a rented apartment at 1818 Jackson Street, some 1,800 feet from Serfaty's South 21st Avenue apartment."
In another account, four other alleged "hijackers" used the 3389 Sheridan Street address. The clowns who wrote the script couldn't even agree on whether it was supposed to be Atta's or Suqami's passport that was "found". In any case, Israeli moving firms such as Moving On Up, Inc., use exactly the same street number, albeit with a different suite number:#159 as opposed to #256 . Moving On Up's operation at that address began in October 2000, which is a few months after Mohamed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi arrived in Florida. The Israelis behind this company are Haim Shalem and Tal Lavie, who are reputedly backed by "Israeli and Russian organized crime interests".
Lavie is the President of Moving On Up, Inc. and Mark D. Cohen is the registered agent. In February 1999, Tal Lavie's corporation Budge It Moving & Storage Inc. was revoked after failing to respond to 60 days' notice of intent to dissolve for failure to maintain a registered agent on whom process may be served at the registered office. Haim Shalem, who calls himself the "customer claims supervisor" of Moving On Up, is a director of several Florida moving companies, and is President of Continental Nationwide Moving Services, Inc., which also uses the 3389 Sheridan Street address. Michael Ronen originally was a director of Moving On Up, but resigned on October 24, 1999.
In February 2005, an Israeli of that name was director of the Pacific department in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, negotiating with New Zealand's Ankara ambassador in 2005 in the wake of the Mossad stolen passports scandal.
How is Mohammed Atta these days? Did you talk to him lately?

I'm still waiting for Atta to come forward and proclaim his innocence
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290429 Dec 15, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>How is Mohammed Atta these days? Did you talk to him lately?
I'm still waiting for Atta to come forward and proclaim his innocence
You did not ask Osama to come and prove his innocence, why are you waiting for Atta?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290430 Dec 15, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-30

According to The New York Times of July 3, 2000, Malnik was a lawyer who "worked closely with" Meyer Lansky, although Malnik denies that. However, at that last link Al Malnik, the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, states that he was a "good friend" of Lansky, had "spent a lot of time with" him, but had never represented him in legal matters.

That contrasts sharply with another claim by Malnik that he had represented Lansky in a few civil matters and had met him personally only once - in a chance encounter in an elevator. The cops bugged Malnik in the 1960s and heard him discussing Lansky, and in 1963 the FBI recorded a conversation between Malnik and Lansky lieutenant Ben Siegelbaum regarding the Lansky syndicate's success in obtaining a confidential report from the Justice Department regarding the Bank of World Commerce, the mob's institution in the Bahamas for laundering profits from casinos. Money would be passed to Tibor Rosenbaum's International Credit Bank in Switzerland, and could then return to the U.S. for reinvestment.

The Times article reports that according to the authorities, there are many examples of Brooklyn mobsters flocking south to Miami. As noted above, Authorized Movers is another example of Jews relocating from New York or New Jersey to Florida, and it was a Brooklyn merchant who served as intermediary when Bernard Kerik received a $250,000 "loan" from Eitan Wertheimer of Israel, after playing his part in promoting the "hijacker's passport found" story. New York-based Meyer Lansky, of Jewish stock and born in Russia, was known as the treasurer of the U.S. Mafia who would launder Mafia money via front companies in the Bahamas and send it to Israel to purchase Israeli defense bonds.

When Lansky died in 1983, Malnik was dubbed his heir apparent by Reader's Digest, and the epithet stuck. Law enforcement officials long suspected Malnik to be Lansky's sole "heir". Famous visitors to The Forge, the Miami restaurant created by Al Malnik and run by his son Shareef since 1991, have included Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Richard Burton, Richard Nixon - and Meyer Lansky and his associates. The wine cellar includes an 1822 Chateau Lafite Rothschild worth an estimated $150,000.

9/11 was allegedly perpetrated by fifteen "suicidal muscle hijackers", all but one of whom were claimed to be Saudi Arabian, along with four "kamikaze pilots", all but one of whom were said to have trained at two dubious Florida flight schools although none of these three were Saudis.

Thus, it is interesting that the "heir apparent" to Meyer Lansky lives in Florida and has strong family ties to the Saudi royal family. Malnik's son Shareef changed his name from Mark in 1982 when he married Sheika Hoda Al-Fassi, a princess descended from the Saudi royal family. That was during a period when Alvin was acting as chief financial advisor to Mohammed Al-Fassi and Saudi Royal family member Prince Turki Bin-Aziz, son of the king of Saudi Arabia. More recently, Saudi prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has about a 6% stake in News Corp. and, amusingly, is seen by some as a "top anti-Semite and Israel hater".

There is a link from Rudy Dekkers to Richard Boehlke to Capital Consultants to Al Malnik, and the authorities have long been aware of Malnik's criminal activities. However, his knowledge of law and his record of successfully fending off federal investigations suggests he would have been smart enough to cover any tracks to Dekkers. It's possible that Malnik pulled a few strings, but, like most 9/11 conspirators, would have only limited involvement and knowledge of the false-flag operation.


Contd.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290431 Dec 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not ask Osama to come and prove his innocence, why are you waiting for Atta?
Obama said he is dead. Truthers think Atta is alive
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290432 Dec 16, 2013
truthers are full of baloney
ABs

Lithonia, GA

#290433 Dec 16, 2013
Comrade MUQ'ster..why lands of islam not helping those poor syrian refugees in Lebanon that are having to burn their shoes and socks in an effort to stay alive and warm during this unusually cold weather snap of snow and freezing temperatures in the muddle east?
Why is it the biggest financial supporters of the refugees are non-muslim nations, muq? Why do Islamic nations not take care of their own...
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290434 Dec 16, 2013
ABs wrote:
Comrade MUQ'ster..why lands of islam not helping those poor syrian refugees in Lebanon that are having to burn their shoes and socks in an effort to stay alive and warm during this unusually cold weather snap of snow and freezing temperatures in the muddle east?
Why is it the biggest financial supporters of the refugees are non-muslim nations, muq? Why do Islamic nations not take care of their own...
Because most of problems in Muslim nations are the handi works of the same Non muslim nations.... and who says that Non Muslim nations have solved problems of a single Muslim nation?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290435 Dec 16, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-31

Also of interest is Jewish con man and Zionist lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is currently in jail on felony counts relating to fraud and corruption. Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis sold his company SunCruz Casinos - a gambling boat operation in which the customers cruised to international waters where Florida gambling laws were not applicable - to Jack Abramoff and Adam Kidan in September 2000. Following a grand jury inquiry into the transaction, Boulis' relationship with Abramoff and Kidan became rather less cordial.

There was a fistfight between Boulis and Kidan on December 5, 2000, and Boulis was found shot dead in his car on February 6, 2001. One of those charged with the murder was Anthony Moscatiello, described by the authorities as an unofficial bookkeeper for New York City's Gambino crime family. Moscatiello was an old friend of Kidan, who admittedly hired him in the middle of the dispute with Boulis, ostensibly as a "food-and-beverage consultant". Soon after the Boulis - Kidan fistfight, Kidan sent Abramoff an email: "My friend in NY is acting out of concern for my safety".

Around a week later, SunCruz made the first of $145,000 in payments to Moscatiello via his daughter and a company of his. Although the payments were supposedly for catering, consulting, and "site inspections", there is no evidence that any such services were provided. Another $105,000 was evidently paid by Kidan to Moon Over Miami Beach, Inc., a company where no one ever appears to be working that was run by Anthony Ferrari, who was also charged with Boulis' murder. Yet the authorities have not made Kidan or Abramoff murder suspects.

Some of the alleged "9/11 hijackers" were reportedly seen on a SunCruz gambling boat shortly before 9/11. Any Arab patsies whom the 9/11 perpetrators needed to eliminate could have been lured into an ambush with the promise of "something special" such as a poker game where the patsies would be told the could "make a killing". There is evidence that hijackers' "doubles" were used.

For example, sometimes a "hijacker" was in several locations simultaneously, or one version of a "hijacker" spoke good English and the other had a heavy accent. This raises the possibility of killings having been carried out in advance of 9/11, with Mossad agents playing the role of the patsies in the later stages. Israeli operatives mixing business with pleasure would provide an additional explanation for the drinking, cocaine-snorting, gambling, womanizing, etc., in addition to the fact that the real patsies - those who weren't just a fabrication based on stolen ID - were not the religious extremists portrayed by Zionist propaganda.

MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290436 Dec 16, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Obama said he is dead. Truthers think Atta is alive
Truthers want to know the Truth of 9/11, which official investigation agencies is hiding from people. That is all.

It is truth that sets you free. Nothing else.
sallygur

Pittsburgh, PA

#290437 Dec 16, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………… Ya'all Bitchin' Me! lifes a war
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290438 Dec 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Truthers want to know the Truth of 9/11, which official investigation agencies is hiding from people. That is all.
It is truth that sets you free. Nothing else.
Well I'm free to say that the convoluted truth of the truthers is false.
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#290439 Dec 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Because most of problems in Muslim nations are the handi works of the same Non muslim nations.... and who says that Non Muslim nations have solved problems of a single Muslim nation?
Things are toasty and warm in UAE, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain...what is the common tie of these mentioned predominantly muslim nations with non-muslim nations that makes them prosper so nicely while all other nations of islam crash and burn??? Care to venture a guess?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290440 Dec 17, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Well I'm free to say that the convoluted truth of the truthers is false.
Well, you are not an Authority to pass judgement like that. Seeing that you are biggest fan of GWB the great, it reduces your credibility to almost zero.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290441 Dec 17, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-31A

Those listed as Flight 77 victims include characters whose work could have been exploited without their knowledge, whom the 9/11 perpetrators would have needed to eliminate to prevent them from speaking out after the attacks. William E. Caswell had worked on top-secret "deep-black" projects at the Indian Head Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC-IH), a "renowned leader in energetics" which operates an "Energetics Manufacturing Technology Center" and carries out "advanced research in energetic systems".

John Yamnicky, like William Caswell, had worked for the Navy on top-secret "black" projects. Strangely, for the first time, he did not tell his daughter that he was going on travel. Charles Burlingame was a former Navy fighter pilot who used to work in the section of the Pentagon that was hit and who had formulated a response for the eventuality of an airliner being flown into the Pentagon. Wilson "Bud" Flagg was a retired American Airlines pilot and Navy Admiral. Stanley Hall was an expert in anti-radar technology and a director of program management at Raytheon. Bryan Jack was a senior executive and top budget analyst who worked at the Pentagon. Chandler Keller was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Dong Lee was a Boeing engineer who worked for their Integrated Defense Systems and had worked for the National Security Agency (NSA) for 14 years. Barbara Olson was a CNN commentator and wife of the US Solicitor General who claimed to have received cell phone calls from "Flight 77". Ruben Ornedo was a Boeing propulsion / satellite communications engineer.

Robert Penniger was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. And there are another dozen alleged "Flight 77 passengers" who were linked to defense and government who, we are told, all just happened to be on this unusually low occupancy flight.

Contd.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Terrorism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Unimaginable cruelty in Bashar al-Assad's priso... 16 hr Anonymous 6
News Putin says he speaks regularly to Trump, isn't ... Jun 14 Say What 58
News Feds: Avon man threatened white supremacists Jun 10 Scripted Reality 1
News The uneasy neighbors (Aug '09) Jun 9 Pro Ukraine_ 492
News AG Holder worries about revenge for bin Laden (May '11) Jun 3 Funeral Director 214
News Bin Laden calls Obama 'powerless' in new recording (Sep '09) Jun 3 Geezer Files 2
News Bin Laden son-in-law arrested in Jordan is brou... (Mar '13) May '18 Etch a Win 2012 76