'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276626 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#290156 Nov 3, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>A crime of the magnitude of an assault on the WTC and Pentagon you would expect the FBI to solve in days not weeks. The perpetrators were not Zionists. All you have is 12 years of bullshit.
They did not solve it even after 12 years!!

While they attacked Afghanistan and Iraq in about four months!!

Is THAT the way to solve any problem or complete any investigation?

And 9/11 Commission did not even mentioned WTC-7, so that after some time people wont remember that there was any WTC-7!!

Who was behind 9/11 is still not known.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#290157 Nov 3, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-11

September 13. U.S. officials say they have identified "most of the hijackers", believed to number eighteen. Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari, originally thought to be brothers, were suspected, but Adnan was found to be alive and living in Florida, and Ameer died in a small plane crash on September 11, 2000. Yet if those identities were stolen and were on the flight manifests, it would be remarkable if the authorities were able to trace the real identities of the individuals involved within, say, three days.

For anyone in need of "Saudi suicide pilots" to frame as patsies, the deceased pilot Ameer Bukhari, a Saudi Arabian national of Vero Beach, Florida, would be an ideal choice provided they could keep the lid on the fact that he had died in the "wrong" year.

It is reported that the Bukhari "brothers" rented a silver-blue Nissan Altima and drove from Boston to Portland, bizarrely only to fly back to Boston. Atta rented the Mitsubishi sedan found at Logan airport, and also had a red Pontiac registered in his name. There is a general ban on flights, which must be approved on a case-by-case basis. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi ambassador to the U.S., meets George W. Bush. The authorities give permission for a private jet to fly around the U.S. picking up members of the bin Laden family, which has business ties with the Bush family through the Carlyle Group.

About 140 top Saudi officials are on the plane. The Emperor's Clothes website runs a couple of articles skeptical of the official 9/11 story, including an interview between editor Jared Israel and Rudi Dekkers of Huffman Aviation. Don Radlauer, of the Interdisciplinary Center at Herzliya, Israel (and formerly - until 1997 - of Weybridge, Surrey, UK and of New York), publishes a report detailing the flight paths of the alleged four hijacked planes.

The report attempts to lend credibility to the official story with suggestions that hijacking and steering the planes would be an easy task - even though a rather diminutive non-pilot was said to have wrestled control of Flight 77 from the tough, highly trained, weightlifting former Navy fighter pilot Charles Burlingame and steered a Boeing 757 to hit the Pentagon at 530 mph as its engines cleared the lawn by a couple of feet. Radlauer's "take off" times correspond to the "pushed back from the gate" times, with Flight 93 for example being delayed for 41 minutes due to congestion. The 41-minute delay could explain why Flight 93 failed to hit its intended target, as the Air Force stand down could not be maintained indefinitely.

September 14. U.S. officials say they have identified nineteen "hijackers", with Hani Hanjour now included. Evidently the scriptwriters had pilots and Saudis available for the frame-up, but were short of credible "Saudi pilots". Dominick Suter of "Urban Moving Systems Incorporated" or urban MOving SyStems incorporAteD, the Mossad front that the joking, celebrating, dancing Israelis ostensibly worked for, flees the U.S. for Israel. Members of the bin Laden family fly out of Washington D.C. to Saudi Arabia, and similar flights are to follow over the next few days.

September 16. Osama bin Laden denies responsibility for the attacks, but according to Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, the passport of "hijacker" Satam al Suqami has been discovered several blocks from the WTC crash site. Kerik's claim is not credible since, given the physical characteristics such as mass, cross-section and drag coefficient of a passport, even if it had survived the fireball, flying over rooftops for several blocks would be in contravention of the laws of aerodynamics. In another attempt, the passport is said to have been found "in the vicinity of Vesey Street", to the north of the Twin Towers.….

Contd.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290158 Nov 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not solve it even after 12 years!!
While they attacked Afghanistan and Iraq in about four months!!
Is THAT the way to solve any problem or complete any investigation?
And 9/11 Commission did not even mentioned WTC-7, so that after some time people wont remember that there was any WTC-7!!
Who was behind 9/11 is still not known.
"From A to Z"
http://www.mainjustice.com/2012/03/07/the-hun...

Eo any sane person WTC7 was collateral damage
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290159 Nov 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not solve it even after 12 years!!
While they attacked Afghanistan and Iraq in about four months!!
Is THAT the way to solve any problem or complete any investigation?
And 9/11 Commission did not even mentioned WTC-7, so that after some time people wont remember that there was any WTC-7!!
Who was behind 9/11 is still not known.
your ilk has not solved anything after 12 years.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290160 Nov 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-11
September 13. U.S. officials say they have identified "most of the hijackers", believed to number eighteen. Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari, originally thought to be brothers, were suspected, but Adnan was found to be alive and living in Florida, and Ameer died in a small plane crash on September 11, 2000. Yet if those identities were stolen and were on the flight manifests, it would be remarkable if the authorities were able to trace the real identities of the individuals involved within, say, three days.
For anyone in need of "Saudi suicide pilots" to frame as patsies, the deceased pilot Ameer Bukhari, a Saudi Arabian national of Vero Beach, Florida, would be an ideal choice provided they could keep the lid on the fact that he had died in the "wrong" year.
It is reported that the Bukhari "brothers" rented a silver-blue Nissan Altima and drove from Boston to Portland, bizarrely only to fly back to Boston. Atta rented the Mitsubishi sedan found at Logan airport, and also had a red Pontiac registered in his name. There is a general ban on flights, which must be approved on a case-by-case basis. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi ambassador to the U.S., meets George W. Bush. The authorities give permission for a private jet to fly around the U.S. picking up members of the bin Laden family, which has business ties with the Bush family through the Carlyle Group.
About 140 top Saudi officials are on the plane. The Emperor's Clothes website runs a couple of articles skeptical of the official 9/11 story, including an interview between editor Jared Israel and Rudi Dekkers of Huffman Aviation. Don Radlauer, of the Interdisciplinary Center at Herzliya, Israel (and formerly - until 1997 - of Weybridge, Surrey, UK and of New York), publishes a report detailing the flight paths of the alleged four hijacked planes.
The report attempts to lend credibility to the official story with suggestions that hijacking and steering the planes would be an easy task - even though a rather diminutive non-pilot was said to have wrestled control of Flight 77 from the tough, highly trained, weightlifting former Navy fighter pilot Charles Burlingame and steered a Boeing 757 to hit the Pentagon at 530 mph as its engines cleared the lawn by a couple of feet. Radlauer's "take off" times correspond to the "pushed back from the gate" times, with Flight 93 for example being delayed for 41 minutes due to congestion. The 41-minute delay could explain why Flight 93 failed to hit its intended target, as the Air Force stand down could not be maintained indefinitely.
September 14. U.S. officials say they have identified nineteen "hijackers", with Hani Hanjour now included. Evidently the scriptwriters had pilots and Saudis available for the frame-up, but were short of credible "Saudi pilots". Dominick Suter of "Urban Moving Systems Incorporated" or urban MOving SyStems incorporAteD, the Mossad front that the joking, celebrating, dancing Israelis ostensibly worked for, flees the U.S. for Israel. Members of the bin Laden family fly out of Washington D.C. to Saudi Arabia, and similar flights are to follow over the next few days.
September 16. Osama bin Laden denies responsibility for the attacks, but according to Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, the passport of "hijacker" Satam al Suqami has been discovered several blocks from the WTC crash site. Kerik's claim is not credible since, given the physical characteristics such as mass, cross-section and drag coefficient of a passport, even if it had survived the fireball, flying over rooftops for several blocks would be in contravention of the laws of aerodynamics. In another attempt, the passport is said to have been found "in the vicinity of Vesey Street", to the north of the Twin Towers.….
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12 years later Mohammed Atta has not personally appeared on TV proclaiming his innocence
Hoglund

Sweden

#290163 Nov 4, 2013
When will come the day that US Americans get finally prosecuted in Den Hague for their war crimes against Laos 1963-1972 ?
From 1964 to 1973, the U.S. dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos during 580,000 bombing mission
The US Americans terrorized the civilian population without any reason!
http://legaciesofwar.org/about-laos/secret-wa...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mike-honda/...

Over 20,000 people have been killed or injured in Laos since the bombing ceased.
Over 270 million cluster bombs were dropped on Laos during the Vietnam War (210 million more bombs than were dropped on Iraq in 1991, 1998 and 2006 combined);
I hope that US american officials and military will receive a life sentence by the Den Hague tribunal for this extremely brutal war crimes against humanity !

When the Americans withdrew from Laos in 1973, hundreds of thousands of refugees fled the country, and many of them ultimately resettled in the United States.

By the way the dictator of Laos was much pacifical to the civilian population than vietnam's H&#7891; Chí Minh and than cambodian dictator Pol Pot.
The dictator of Laos between 1963-1972 was very popular among the laotian population.
But the US American started a propaganda war and real bomb terror against Laos!

When Den Hague is too pro-NATO, that's why I hope that citizens of Laos will soon decide to commit bombings against US military!
ABs

Oxford, GA

#290164 Nov 4, 2013
spOko wrote:
So if American style, no holds barred, capitalism is so great why then has Sweden more rich people and more Billionaires? Taxing the rich apparently works?:-)
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/billio...
Once again you are proof positive that you just can't teach stupid...
No it doesn't...read your own article twit...

At the same time, while Scandinavian success stories show that great companies can be born and innovate amid generous welfare states, they do have some cautionary tales for left-wing thinking. The Swedish tax code was substantially reformed in 1990 to be friendlier toward capital accumulation, with a flat rate on investment income. Sweden has no taxes on inheritance or residential property, and its 22 percent corporate income tax rate is far lower than America’s 35 percent. Even after spending cuts by the current center-right government, the Swedish public sector is still about half the total economy (much higher than here), but the taxes that finance it fall more heavily on consumption and less on business investment than in the U.S..........

Nice try frank-eh...
ABs

Oxford, GA

#290165 Nov 4, 2013
Hoglund wrote:
When will come the day that US Americans get finally prosecuted in Den Hague for their war crimes against Laos 1963-1972 ?
From 1964 to 1973, the U.S. dropped more than two million tons of ordnance on Laos during 580,000 bombing mission
The US Americans terrorized the civilian population without any reason!
http://legaciesofwar.org/about-laos/secret-wa...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mike-honda/...
Over 20,000 people have been killed or injured in Laos since the bombing ceased.
Over 270 million cluster bombs were dropped on Laos during the Vietnam War (210 million more bombs than were dropped on Iraq in 1991, 1998 and 2006 combined);
I hope that US american officials and military will receive a life sentence by the Den Hague tribunal for this extremely brutal war crimes against humanity !
When the Americans withdrew from Laos in 1973, hundreds of thousands of refugees fled the country, and many of them ultimately resettled in the United States.
By the way the dictator of Laos was much pacifical to the civilian population than vietnam's H&#7891; Chí Minh and than cambodian dictator Pol Pot.
The dictator of Laos between 1963-1972 was very popular among the laotian population.
But the US American started a propaganda war and real bomb terror against Laos!
When Den Hague is too pro-NATO, that's why I hope that citizens of Laos will soon decide to commit bombings against US military!
And how do you see that playing out?

You need to make up your mind though, you are confusing me...do you want the hague to do its thing in court or do you prefer Laos bomb the us military?
ABs

Oxford, GA

#290166 Nov 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Just find out how that WTC-7 fell and you need not have to worry about Shias having nukes or Sunni having nukes.
First solve your own problem and then worry about Shias and Sunnis.
We tried that once, actually twice...we tried to not worry about shia and sunni and according to some captured shia and sunni they admitted that the second time cost us 8 buildings and over 3000 innocent people...allah hakbar of course...

WTC7 was a triple primary support column design, wasn't it?

Just curious comrade, you are one who often preaches the need for mock up and testing, here is a simple one...purchase a three legged stool, severe two of the three legs and have a 500 pound girl friend of yours sit in the chair and then please report the results of your experiment to us...if I were a betting man I would bet your overweight girlfriend will collapse the chair straight down...almost in its own footprint and almost at the speed of freefall...
ABs

Oxford, GA

#290167 Nov 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not solve it even after 12 years!!
While they attacked Afghanistan and Iraq in about four months!!
Is THAT the way to solve any problem or complete any investigation?
And 9/11 Commission did not even mentioned WTC-7, so that after some time people wont remember that there was any WTC-7!!
Who was behind 9/11 is still not known.
KSM knows...just ask him...
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290168 Nov 4, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
We tried that once, actually twice...we tried to not worry about shia and sunni and according to some captured shia and sunni they admitted that the second time cost us 8 buildings and over 3000 innocent people...allah hakbar of course...
WTC7 was a triple primary support column design, wasn't it?
Just curious comrade, you are one who often preaches the need for mock up and testing, here is a simple one...purchase a three legged stool, severe two of the three legs and have a 500 pound girl friend of yours sit in the chair and then please report the results of your experiment to us...if I were a betting man I would bet your overweight girlfriend will collapse the chair straight down...almost in its own footprint and almost at the speed of freefall...
Yeah I know and that was how your Sherlock Holmes solved the puzzle of 9/11.

Why did they even carried out that sham investigation?

Every thing was clear from the video footage!!

Can there be any one greater sucker than dumb USA citizens?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290169 Nov 4, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-12

…Unfortunately, the scriptwriter forgot that Suqami was supposed to be on Flight 11, said to have approached from the north. The "Bukharis drove the rented Nissan Altima to Portland" story has evolved into "Mohamed Atta and Abdul Alomari drove the rented Nissan Altima to Portland", which necessitated abandoning the previous claim of "Atta rented the Mitsubishi found at Logan" since that would make even less sense. However, the "Abdul Alomari hijacker" was originally Abdul Rahman Alomari, a pilot, friend and neighbor of Adnan Bukhari. When Alomari was found to be alive, as was Adnan Bukhari, the hijacker was said to be Abdulaziz Alomari. Problem is, he is alive too. And he's a non-pilot .

September 18. Terrorists launch an anthrax letters campaign targeting Democratic U.S. Senators and news media offices, seven days after the 9/11 attacks, and seven days after Jerome Hauer had advised the White House to begin taking Cipro. For an excellent timeline of the anthrax attacks and a subsequent spate of deaths amongst microbiologists, see here.

September 19. Don Radlauer, of the Interdisciplinary Center at Herzliya, Israel, publishes a report on pre-9/11 insider trading involving surges in volume of put options for American Airlines, United Airlines, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter and Merrill Lynch over the trading days before the attacks. He confirms that there was no news at that time to justify such an imbalance of trades, calculates the potential profit for the insiders at over $15 million, suggests that "Osama bin Laden" was behind it, and says, "we are dealing with an expert in masking ownership of corporations and making covert deals". See here for some more clues as to the identity of those skilled in masking ownership of corporations.

September 25. Rudy Giuliani bans photography at the World Trade Center ruins.

September 28. Osama bin Laden again denies having anything to do with the 9/11 attacks, but suggests some possible suspects: Those within the American system who rebel against it and work for some other system, those who want to stir up conflict between Islam and Christianity, American Jews, or U.S. intelligence agencies. Bin Laden also pointed out that the U.S. secret agencies did not want narcotics trafficking to be curtailed (as the Taliban had done in 2001) since the agencies' importance and funding would be diminished. Indeed, a look at how annual opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan slumped in 2001 and rocketed after the Taliban was ousted, demonstrates why Zionists decided in 2001 that "regime change" was desirable.

Before the month is up, nearly half of the alleged "suicide hijackers" have turned up alive and well. And that's from the new, improved list, excluding Abdul Rahman Alomari and the Bukharis. No less than three of the alleged "suicide pilots" - Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad al-Jarrah - had reported their passports stolen in late 1999. Jarrah's uncle Jamal explains in a five-minute interview that his nephew was not a radical, had no interest in politics, and did not change his appearance or behavior.

Within a month of 9/11 it is quite evident that the alleged hijackers' drinking, cocaine snorting, gambling, trysts with hookers and frequenting of strip joints does not square with religious extremists with such hatred of Western culture that they are prepared to kill themselves and thousands of others

Contd.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290170 Nov 5, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
KSM knows...just ask him...
Why not make KSM as US President? The "Most truthful person" on earth!!
Angelo

Berlin, Germany

#290171 Nov 5, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you see that playing out?
You need to make up your mind though, you are confusing me...do you want the hague to do its thing in court or do you prefer Laos bomb the us military?
Hey didn't you know the there is an malaysian international court who prosecuted George W. Bush and Tony Blair for their war crimes in Iraq 2003, because they violated international humanitarian law and UN convention by applying DU uranium ammunition which was and still is forbidden by the UN convention at that time , and this convention was signed by US government, though the violated this law. Malaysian international court asked for extradition of G.W. Bush, but the US government and administration refused!
Very strange why the western median keep silent about that fact.
I hope that George W. Bush will get extradited to guantanamo to get tortured to death! G. W. Bush = most sadistic war addicted idiot on earth!

Since: Nov 13

Sydney, Australia

#290173 Nov 5, 2013
Well, after all this suffering,
enjoy this funny short (1min)



Cheers

Since: Nov 13

Sydney, Australia

#290174 Nov 5, 2013
Kearney wrote:
Bush's War will not be over until Bush is out of office. Whosoever follows Bish whether Republican or Democrat can make the appropriate changes to correct Bush mistakes by blaming Bush. He most certainly will be blamed as it will be politically expedient to do so in order to regain World Respect for the USA. Of course, Dems would blame harder since the mirror reflection upon them is not strong in reality.
One thing the new administration should do is drop the "war on terror" terminology. That just incites a erroneous methodology for military solution. What is required in international cooperation and diplomacy. I ho0pe an internationl anti terrorist police force of some kind will be formed.
Thank god, only two more years of this moron.
War on who?
Enjoy:

Since: Nov 13

Sydney, Australia

#290175 Nov 5, 2013
Coolmind wrote:
there is no war... only congress declares war... Bush fear mongers to rally his sheep behind him and they forget other issues.. he's like a fire-brimstone minister who convinces the flock there is a dangerous devil, but if they follow hiim, they will be safe.... wht a crock. The diff is, Bush has the power to destroy the USA.
9000 billion in debt, drugs, gangs, domsestic terrorism in our cities, economy tanking... we have problems here
I agree there is no war, just middle east.

Enjoy :-)
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290176 Nov 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not make KSM as US President? The "Most truthful person" on earth!!
with all the truther lies and misrepresentations you would make a better Oresident than Obama. You are truther community organizer.
Heard that they can convict KSM without the waterboarding evidence
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290177 Nov 5, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>with all the truther lies and misrepresentations you would make a better Oresident than Obama. You are truther community organizer.
Heard that they can convict KSM without the waterboarding evidence
Will I make a better President than KSM?

Why go for "second best", when the "Most truthful person on the face of this earth is cooling off in GITMO"?!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290178 Nov 5, 2013
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-13

October 2 through October 5. Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifah Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar who started the Al Jazeera channel in 1996 with a $150 million grant, the channel which broadcasts audios and videos purporting to be of "Osama bin Laden" aka Emmanuel Goldstein, visits the U.S. where he meets with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney (an "old friend"), Colin Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Myers.

October 3. Ariel Sharon reportedly says to Shimon Peres, "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it". The pro-Israel organization CAMERA, which admits to working against "anti-Israel and anti-Jewish prejudice" and is lauded by Natan Sharansky, claims the quote was "fabricated", originated with a Palestinian group, and has been denied by the Israeli Hebrew radio Kol Yisrael. Whilst such a quote would certainly be consistent with known facts about Zionists, its authenticity is not proven. In contrast, the vast majority of evidence against the official version of 9/11 is underpinned by pro-Western sources.

October 8. Edward A. Coburn, 31, of Fresno, California, is arrested after bursting into the cockpit of an American Airlines jetliner bound for O'Hare airport, screaming, "We're going to crash into the Sears Tower" and that terrorists are "steering" the plane towards the Sears Tower. Coburn, who works for a Silicon Valley company, is described as "intelligent, decent and immaculate", "polite", a "mellow type" who was "very kind and very nice", a "real good guy", etc.

October 10. Three days after the launch of the war in Afghanistan, Mossad agent Salvador Guersson Smecke and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi are caught and arrested inside the Mexican Congress chamber in possession of guns, grenades, dynamite, detonators and wiring while posing as "press photographers".

October 11 (assuming the Thursday prior to October 17). Moshe Elmakias, 30 and Ron Katar, 23, described as "Middle Eastern", are arrested by Plymouth Police in Pennsylvania after being found with a Sony video camera and tape with detailed video footage of Chicago's Sears Tower, days after a bizarre incident in the cockpit of a jetliner bound for Chicago's O'Hare airport. Elmakias' tractor-trailer, which has a Florida registration and a sign posted on the side reading "Moving Systems Incorporated", was seen by a Pizzeria Uno manager backed up to the Dumpster at the rear of the restaurant with a freshly dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the Dumpster. Also observed with Elmakias is a female, Ayelet Reisler, 23.

Elmakias is a Jewish name, as is Katar, Reisler and the forenames Moshe, Ron and Ayelet. Although Elmakias claims to be in Plymouth to make a pick up, he cannot provide a name or telephone number of the customer. The President of Moving Systems Inc. is Simo Elbaz of Florida, aka Simon Elbaz aka Simon Miller aka Jonathan Miller, as subsequently shown in a February 2003 indictment naming Elbaz, Elmakias and several others on charges of wire fraud, extortion, and making a false bill of lading.

October 20. Dick Cheney meets the Emir of Qatar to discuss the "Osama" interviews.

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