'The War Is Not Over'

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WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.
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John_Schuylkill County_Pa

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Sep 1, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
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If you drop a brick from top of WTC towers, it takes 14 seconds to fall to ground...
On 9/11 it took between 14.7 to 15 seconds for WTC to fall to the ground?
Which is the "closest term" to this Phenomenon? Is it not "free fall".
Just look back at the video and calculate time of fall from your watch..
Do the same same for WTC-7!!
Why you people do not want to know the Truth?
I am giving you evidence and all you have to do is raise stupid comments!!
My eyes don't lie. Tons of debris is spilling over the sides of the towers faster than the core. The world trade towers did not free fall in all the videos. There is no evidence of "all the explosions" for a demolition of WTC7.

Maybe you should rewind to the day the towers fell. The firemen knew for hours that WTC7 would fall from the collateral damages.

Know the truth!.....you fail. WTC towers did not free fall
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Sep 1, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
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Here is my answer to this query. <quoted text>
Just tell me a single country that got really benefited from events of 9/11 and resulting 12 years war?
Which is the name of that country?
USA?(The country which lost most and gained very little almost NOTHING, Three WTC Towers, Four jets, 3000 + dead in NY and 250 + army officers dead in Pentagon ….plus 4500 dead in Iraq war, 2000 + dead in Afghanistan, more than 100,000 injured, Trillions spent in the war, its economy suffering for past 12 years…and what they gained?)
Saudi Arabia?
Palestine?
Jordan?
Kuwait?
Qatar?
UAE?
Egypt?
Syria?
Yemen?
Afghanistan?
Pakistan?
India?
China?
UK?
France?
Germany?
Russia?
Australia?
Japan?
Turkey?
Libya?
Morocco?
Tunisia?
Algeria?


Any other country of Asia, Africa or Oceania ?
6. ONLY country which really benefited from events of 9/11 and ongoing wars in ME and Afghanistan was Israel!!
How dumb you people are, if you fail to realize this simple fact!!
7. How can I believe that you people are so intelligent and so mighty to create this mighty civlization?
May be you are a giant controlled by a little gnat that is controlling your brain and that gnat is that Zionist state of Isreal!!
8. Think what would have happened if US / Europe had not created that Zionist state in Palestine in 1917?
There would have been peace in ME, no more PLO, HAMAS, Al Qaeda, HIZBOLLAH and such organizations.
Nothing like 9/11 and so many acts of violence in all parts of world.
When would you people wake up as to find out who are your real enemies?
PS:
I do realize what great people you are, super intelligent, hard working, industrious, like fair play, want to bring peace to the world….
If it was not for you excessive and one sided love affair with Jews and Zionists, you would have achieved much more….
But one sided love affairs and one sided infatuations bring nothing but loss and sorrow and destructions, to individuals as well as to nations.
Yep.Israel is the only real Democracy. Keep burning churches in all those countries.
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Sep 1, 2013
 
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So easy is it such a "lucky" state like the US to make to a savior of the world (irony).
We are lucky to have the British for allies. Make Obama think before he acts
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Sep 1, 2013
 
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Who Benefits From A War Between The United States And Syria?
Someone wants to get the United States into a war with Syria very, very badly. Cui bono is an old Latin phrase that is still commonly used, and it roughly means "to whose benefit?" The key to figuring out who is really behind the push for war is to look at who will benefit from that war. If a full-blown war erupts between the United States and Syria, it will not be good for the United States, it will not be good for Israel, it will not be good for Syria, it will not be good for Iran and it will not be good for Hezbollah. The party that stands to benefit the most is Saudi Arabia, and they won't even be doing any of the fighting.
They have been pouring billions of dollars into the conflict in Syria, but so far they have not been successful in their attempts to overthrow the Assad regime. Now the Saudis are trying to play their trump card - the U.S. military. If the Saudis are successful, they will get to pit the two greatest long-term strategic enemies of Sunni Islam against each other - the U.S. and Israel on one side and Shia Islam on the other. In such a scenario, the more damage that both sides do to each other the happier the Sunnis will be.
There would be other winners from a U.S. war with Syria as well. For example, it is well-known that Qatar wants to run a natural gas pipeline out of the Persian Gulf, through Syria and into Europe. That is why Qatar has also been pouring billions of dollars into the civil war in Syria...
Read more at http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/who-benef...
I understand Obama's Harvard education was paid by a Saudi Prince...
We should stay out of the war in Syria.
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President Obama makes a big mistake!
He ought to revisit his decision, instead the US military should attack the most barbarian regime in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia!
Saudia Arabia funds international terrorism! They fund the expansion of radical islam groups Wahhabism and Salafists!
Isn't it strange why the western media never focus their reporting on the brutal regime of Saudi Arabia?
If you think that Iran's regime is the most brutal then you dont know nothi ng about the barbarian king of Saudi Arabia!
Read any reports of Amnesty Internation or Human Rights Watch about Saudi Arabia
In Saudi Arabia slavery is legal!
In Saudi Arabia any sunni muslim who converts to other religious confession will be punished with death penalty. You wouldnt even find this extreme brutal laws in Iran!
Christians and jews are threatened and persecuted in Saudi Arabia every day.
They treat christians like third class sheeps!
Shia muslims got tortured every day in sadui arabian prisons to death!
Shia women are slaves of brainless devil Sheikhs!
Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia have absolutely no rights. They arent even allowed to defend themseleves with a lawyer in courts!

How can the USA be allied with such a brutal regime?
Why are they even selling arms to this regime...
Is it just because this regime accept the petro-dollars?

We should hang the saudi arabian king and the head of wahhabi muslim sect to death like it was done with saddam hussein.
The head of the wahhabi muslim confession is billions time more barbarian than Saddam Hussein was!
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Sep 1, 2013
 
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Yep.Israel is the only real Democracy. Keep burning churches in all those countries.
Do you mean to say these countries are not democracies?

USA?
UK?
France?
Italy?
Germany?
Australia?

Vow, Vow, I did not know that.

And what Democracy did to Iraq and Egypt?

Why you were not happy with democracies in those countries?

I did not know that bias removes even your basic understanding.

Rethink, why ONLY Isreal got benefited of ALL nations in the world because of 9/11 and ongoing 12 years of war?

Was it because of so called democracy? And why you think there is democracy in Isreal?
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Sep 1, 2013
 
Jafar wrote:
President Obama makes a big mistake!
He ought to revisit his decision, instead the US military should attack the most barbarian regime in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia!
Saudia Arabia funds international terrorism! They fund the expansion of radical islam groups Wahhabism and Salafists!
Isn't it strange why the western media never focus their reporting on the brutal regime of Saudi Arabia?
If you think that Iran's regime is the most brutal then you dont know nothi ng about the barbarian king of Saudi Arabia!
Read any reports of Amnesty Internation or Human Rights Watch about Saudi Arabia
In Saudi Arabia slavery is legal!
In Saudi Arabia any sunni muslim who converts to other religious confession will be punished with death penalty. You wouldnt even find this extreme brutal laws in Iran!
Christians and jews are threatened and persecuted in Saudi Arabia every day.
They treat christians like third class sheeps!
Shia muslims got tortured every day in sadui arabian prisons to death!
Shia women are slaves of brainless devil Sheikhs!
Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia have absolutely no rights. They arent even allowed to defend themseleves with a lawyer in courts!
How can the USA be allied with such a brutal regime?
Why are they even selling arms to this regime...
Is it just because this regime accept the petro-dollars?
We should hang the saudi arabian king and the head of wahhabi muslim sect to death like it was done with saddam hussein.
The head of the wahhabi muslim confession is billions time more barbarian than Saddam Hussein was!
Some people said the same when GWB the Great attacked Afghanistan and then Iraq...

Why dont you contest election for US president and do what that Great guy missed!!
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Israel Did Not Benefit

EXECUTIVE ORDER / EO 13303
Effective Date: May 28, 2003 / http://tinyurl.com/ca3se
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that the threat of attachment or other judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq, Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in the country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.
http://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/displayEO.cfm...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2003-05-28/ht...

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General Abizaid: Mideast Wars May Last 50 Years
November 1, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2ubd58
PITTSBURGH - It might take as long as half a century before U.S. troops can leave the volatile Middle East, according to retired Army Gen. John Abizaid.

"Over time, we will have to shift the burden of the military fight from our forces directly to regional forces, and we will have to play an indirect role, but we shouldn't assume for even a minute that in the next 25 to 50 years the American military might be able to come home, relax and take it easy, because the strategic situation in the region doesn't seem to show that as being possible," Abizaid said Wednesday at Carnegie Mellon University.

Abizaid, the former commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, stepped down in March as the longest-serving commander of U.S. Central Command. He retired from the Army in May and now is at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
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UK 'may have 40-year Afghan role'
8 August 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/lz2nhc
The UK's commitment to Afghanistan could last for up to 40 years, the incoming head of the Army has said.
Gen Sir David Richards, who takes over on 28 August, told the Times that "nation-building" would last decades.
Troops will be required for the medium term only, but the UK will continue to play a role in "development, governance [and] security sector reform," he said.
Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth said the UK had to be there long-term to achieve its objectives.
Gen Richards commanded 35,000 troops from 37 nations when he was head of Nato's International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan between May 2006 and February 2007.
He will take over from Gen Sir Richard Dannatt as the UK's chief of the general staff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8191018.st...

The 10 Most Brazen War Profiteers
September 5, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/p38yzw
No. 1: CACI
No. 2: Titan
No. 3: Bechtel: precast profits
No. 4: Aegis Defense Services
No. 5: Custer Battles
No. 6: General Dynamics
No. 7: Nour USA Ltd.
No. 8: Chevron
No. 9: ExxonMobil
No. 10: Petro-imperialists
Halliburton has become synonymous with war profiteering, but there are lots of other greedy fingers in the pie. We name names on 10 of the worst.
The history of American war profiteering is rife with egregious examples of incompetence, fraud, tax evasion, embezzlement, bribery and misconduct. As war historian Stuart Brandes has suggested, each new war is infected with new forms of war profiteering. Iraq is no exception. From criminal mismanagement of Iraq's oil revenues to armed private security contractors operating with virtual impunity, this war has created opportunities for an appalling amount of corruption. What follows is a list of some of the worst Iraq war profiteers who have bilked American taxpayers and undermined the military's mission./ http://www.alternet.org/world/41083/
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Nigeria oil 'total war' warning
A Nigerian militant commander in the oil-rich southern Niger Delta has told the BBC his group is declaring "total war" on all foreign oil interests.
17 February 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/82foe
The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta has given oil companies and their employees until midnight on Friday night to leave the region.
It recently blew up two oil pipelines, held four foreign oil workers hostage and sabotaged two major oilfields.
The group wants greater control of the oil wealth produced on their land.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4723076.stm

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Drilling and Killing: As President Bush Meets with the CEO of Chevron Texaco in Nigeria, a Look at Chevron’s Role in the Killing of Two Nigerian Villagers / July 11, 2003 / http://tinyurl.com/6gyxkv
President Bush arrives in Nigeria today.
As he wraps up his five-day Africa tour, he is accompanied by a large entourage of corporate executives. Front and center are the oil executives. Bush is set to meet with Chevron Texaco CEO and chairman Dave O’Reilly. Other transnational corporations attending include Exxon-Mobil and Shell Petroleum.
Bush is joined by his National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. Rice is a former board member of Chevron. The company named an oil tanker after her, the Condoleezza Rice.
Nigeria is Africa’s largest oil producer, cranking out more than 2 million barrels a day. Nearly 750,000 barrels of Nigeria’s oil go to the United States every day. That is 8 percent of total U.S. crude oil imports.
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/7/11/drillin...

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U.S. General Abizaid Says 'Of Course It's About Oil'
Oct 16 2007 http://tinyurl.com/8euvsca
Retired General John Abizaid, the former CENTCOM Commander, said on Saturday about the Iraq war that, "Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that." More from Matt at Think Progress:
Abizaid has previously argued that the U.S. would need "to keep a long-term military presence in Iraq" in order to protect "the free flow of goods and resources" such as oil, but his Stanford comments go much further in pinning oil as a prime motivator for the war.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/10/16/headli...
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MUQ wrote:
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Do you mean to say these countries are not democracies?
USA?
UK?
France?
Italy?
Germany?
Australia?
Vow, Vow, I did not know that.
And what Democracy did to Iraq and Egypt?
Why you were not happy with democracies in those countries?
I did not know that bias removes even your basic understanding.
Rethink, why ONLY Isreal got benefited of ALL nations in the world because of 9/11 and ongoing 12 years of war?
Was it because of so called democracy? And why you think there is democracy in Isreal?
Silly.You changed your list. I meant compared to the other list. Israel was the only real Democracy.
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spOko wrote:
Try to imagine all the lives, careers, hopes, and families that Bush has destroyed. Try to imagine the fate of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees, the departure of educated and skilled Iraqis from Iraq, the ultimate horror of civil war that, to this day, is ravaging the country. The cost of Bush's aggression in Iraq is covered in red ink and foreign borrowing, which is financially punishing every American for a long time to come by not only pushing down the value of the dollar and pushing up the tax burden to service the war debt. Bush/Cheney are war criminals, having committed a massive crime against Iraqis, against the Middle East, against American citizens and military families, and against America's reputation. Bush/Cheney have poisoned the well, it will be a long, long time before our allies will trust the US Gov’t again!
You've got to just be feeling awful abooooot Obumble the one wanting to go it alone against Syria then, yes? No to mention being the first president in decades that the brits told to pissss off...wonder how our allies in yemen, Pakistan, et all feel about those improving relations under his watch as the drones kill more and more...bush and cheney probably only wish they could have accomplished half of what obumble has in the murder and violating other nations sovereign rights arena...other than his misguided economy killing healthcare agenda obumble has made one hail of a republican president...don't you think francis?
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Do not "pretend" that you have answered my posts.
London Bombing is not the issue here, the issue is "free fall of WTC Towers due to Single Jet strike on the eve of 9/11".
I am yet to see any relevant comment from you so far.
If it was freefall how come the debris was falling faster than the pancaking buildings?
And yes, London and first attacks on WTC have everything to do with it...same people, although most of them are hunted down by now...
Speaking of dead jihadists comrade, do you think those 19 guys are with allah now...you know...rewarded for murdering thousands? How about the Syrian muslims that are killing their citizens with bio weapons? Can muslims go to hell when they die? Or is hell reserved strictly for all the other religions and nonbelievers of islam and moons splitting? Just wandering...

Have you given my wish for you to experience true freedom any more thought?
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John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>My eyes don't lie. Tons of debris is spilling over the sides of the towers faster than the core. The world trade towers did not free fall in all the videos. There is no evidence of "all the explosions" for a demolition of WTC7.
Maybe you should rewind to the day the towers fell. The firemen knew for hours that WTC7 would fall from the collateral damages.
Know the truth!.....you fail. WTC towers did not free fall
Take a watch and calculate the time when WTC towers start falling and count to the seconds when they fall to ground.

Do the same of WTC-7.

If you cannot see "controlled demolition", you should get your eyes and head examined!!

What sort of Suckers are you people? You refuse to open your eyes, when I am giving you the details!!
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John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Silly.You changed your list. I meant compared to the other list. Israel was the only real Democracy.
So the countries I named above are not "Real Democracy"?

That is Great!!

And do you know that there is Real Democracy in Isreal?

Please tell me what is the definition of Democracy? That you hold elections every five years? Is that all?

When will you grow up?
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If it was freefall how come the debris was falling faster than the pancaking buildings?
And yes, London and first attacks on WTC have everything to do with it...same people, although most of them are hunted down by now...
Speaking of dead jihadists comrade, do you think those 19 guys are with allah now...you know...rewarded for murdering thousands? How about the Syrian muslims that are killing their citizens with bio weapons? Can muslims go to hell when they die? Or is hell reserved strictly for all the other religions and nonbelievers of islam and moons splitting? Just wandering...
Have you given my wish for you to experience true freedom any more thought?
Do you know what is "Pancaking"?

No amount of Pancaking would allow all 82 floors to come down in straight line....after a few floors, the center of gravity shall shift and the building will fall to one one side.

That is difference between Pancaking and Controlled demolition, where the lower floors give way before mass from the upper floor arrives and that is how the fall is straight.

That is difference between seeing and observation!!

Do not try to change the subject, I know how eager you are to change it!!
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Alan Greenspan claims Iraq war was really for oil
September 16, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/9xtwu9o
America’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy.“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.

Britain and America have always insisted the war had nothing to do with oil. Bush said the aim was to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and end Saddam’s support for terrorism. http://large.stanford.edu/publications/coal/r...

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Shell and Petronas win rights to develop giant Iraq oilfield
Majnoon oilfield goes to Anglo-Dutch and Malaysian consortium in second auction of oil assets since 2003 invasion / 11 December 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yck2tmc
A consortium led by Shell has won the rights to develop the giant Majnoon oilfield at the second auction of Iraq's oil rights since the 2003 invasion.
The auction for about a third of the country's known reserves quickly surpassed last summer's sale, with Majnoon the largest field on offer in the current round. A group of oil companies led by China's CNPC struck a deal to develop the Halfaya field.
There are 10 fields being auctioned over two days under tight security at the Iraqi oil ministry's headquarters. Last summer's auction saw a single deal struck despite eight fields being on offer.
Shell and Malaysia's state-run oil company, Petronas, beat another consortium consisting of France's Total SA and China National Petroleum Corp for the rights to Majnoon, which has estimated reserves of almost 13bn barrels of oil, compared with 4.1bn for Halfaya.
A total of 45 firms are vying for 20-year contracts to develop the 10 fields, spanning from northern Iraq to major fields in the Basra region in the south. Among the bidders are Britain's BP, America's Exxon Mobil and state-backed companies from Asia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/11/s...
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"Reserves for the Caspian Sea region speculatively quoted as 200 bln barrels of oil and over 600 tcf of gas.
The Southern Caspian alone is equivalent to one or even two North Seas"
http://tinyurl.com/y8zzm4r
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Australian Nelson: Oil a factor in Iraq deployment
July 5, 2007 / http://tinyurl.com/ywcn24
The Howard Government has today admitted that securing oil supplies is a factor in Australia's continued military involvement in Iraq.
Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said today oil was a factor in Australia's contribution to the unpopular war, as "energy security" and stability in the Middle East would be crucial to the nation's future.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/howard...
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MUQ wrote:
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Do you know what is "Pancaking"?
No amount of Pancaking would allow all 82 floors to come down in straight line....after a few floors, the center of gravity shall shift and the building will fall to one one side.
That is difference between Pancaking and Controlled demolition, where the lower floors give way before mass from the upper floor arrives and that is how the fall is straight.
That is difference between seeing and observation!!
Do not try to change the subject, I know how eager you are to change it!!
Then answer the questions...how did they wire and prepare 3 to 8 buildings for controlled demolition and NOT A SINGLE PERSON noticed? And how many people would it have taken to prepare 3 buildings for demolition AFTER airplanes hit?
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spOko wrote:
Try to imagine all the lives, careers, hopes, and families that Bush has destroyed. Try to imagine the fate of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees, the departure of educated and skilled Iraqis from Iraq, the ultimate horror of civil war that, to this day, is ravaging the country. The cost of Bush's aggression in Iraq is covered in red ink and foreign borrowing, which is financially punishing every American for a long time to come by not only pushing down the value of the dollar and pushing up the tax burden to service the war debt. Bush/Cheney are war criminals, having committed a massive crime against Iraqis, against the Middle East, against American citizens and military families, and against America's reputation. Bush/Cheney have poisoned the well, it will be a long, long time before our allies will trust the US Gov’t again!
Try to imagine a liberal president wanting to start a war with Syria and liberal supporters to ignorant in their hatred of the right to do a dam thing to prevent it...you go girl friend...snap...

Kind of ironic that the least liberal and most queer hating nation in the world is telling obumble not to start no sh*t with Syria...isn't it my lgbt amigo...
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MUQ wrote:
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Do you know what is "Pancaking"?
No amount of Pancaking would allow all 82 floors to come down in straight line....after a few floors, the center of gravity shall shift and the building will fall to one one side.
That is difference between Pancaking and Controlled demolition, where the lower floors give way before mass from the upper floor arrives and that is how the fall is straight.
That is difference between seeing and observation!!
Do not try to change the subject, I know how eager you are to change it!!
Why don't you apply for a sanitation engineer job in the USA my comrade? We would love for you to taste true freedom......AND....no churches on fire over here at the moment...

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