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Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#289618 Sep 3, 2013
Why WTC Towers Collapsed? Thermite Materials found in WTC Dust Part-6
2. Test Using Methyl Ethyl Ketone Solvent
By employing some means to separate the different components of the material, the chemical compositions of the different particles in the red layer were more accurately determined. The initial objective was to compare the behavior of the red layer with paint when soaked in a strong organic solvent known to soften and dissolve paint. Red/gray chips were soaked in methyl ethyl Ketone (MEK) for 55 hours with frequent agitation and subsequently dried in air over several days. The chips showed significant swelling of the red layer, but with no apparent dissolution. In marked contrast, paint chips softened and partly dissolved when similarly soaked in MEK
It was discovered in this process that a significant migration and segregation of aluminum had occurred in the red-chip material. This allowed us to assess whether some of the aluminum was in elemental form. The chip that was used for this experiment was extracted from dust sample 2 and is shown in the images below. Fig.(12a) shows an SE image of the chip prior to the MEK treatment. It is positioned with the interface between the red and gray layers nearly parallel to the plane of the image. Fig.(12b) shows a BSE image of the chip after the MEK soak.
Note that the chip fractured during the MEK treatment and handling. In this image the red layer and gray layer are side by side so that the interface between the layers is edge-on (perpendicular to the plane of the image) with the gray layer on the right. The red layer of the chip was found, by visual inspection, to have swelled out from the gray layer by a factor of roughly 5 times its original thickness. The photomicrograph shown in Fig.(13) also shows the chip after the MEK soak. The red layer can be seen extending out from the gray layer.
XEDS maps were acquired from the swollen red material at a beam energy of 10 kV, in order to determine the locations of various elements following the MEK treatment. The data shown in Fig.(15) illustrate regions where iron, aluminum and silicon are concentrated. Furthermore, the data indicate that wherever silicon or iron is concentrated, oxygen is also concentrated. On the other hand, there also exist regions where the aluminum is concentrated but where the oxygen may not accompany it commensurately. To confirm and to quantify these observations, XEDS spectra (subsequent plots) were acquired from specific regions of high Si, Al and Fe concentrations.
Focusing the electron beam on a region rich in silicon, located in Fig.(15e), we find silicon and oxygen and very little else (Fig. 16). Evidently the solvent has disrupted the matrix holding the various particles, allowing some migration and separation of the components. This is a significant result for it means that the aluminum and silicon are not bound chemically.
The next XEDS spectrum (Fig. 17) was acquired from a region that showed a high concentration of aluminum. Using a conventional quantification routine, it was found that the aluminum significantly exceeded the oxygen present (approximately a 3:1 ratio). Thus, while some of the aluminum may be oxidized, there is insufficient oxygen present to account for all of the aluminum; some of the aluminum must therefore exist in elemental form in the red material.
This is an important result. Aluminum particles are covered with a layer of aluminum oxide irrespective of size, thus it is reasonable to find a significant oxygen content with the aluminum, given the very high surface area to volume ratio of these very fine particles.
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#289619 Sep 3, 2013
Why WTC Towers Collapsed? Thermite Materials found in WTC Dust Part-6A
2. Test Using Methyl Ethyl Ketone Solvent (Contd.)
Next a region of particularly high iron concentration was analyzed, yielding the XEDS spectrum shown in Fig.(18). Fig.(18). XEDS spectrum obtained from a probe of the region of high iron concentration on the MEK-soaked red chip, acquired with a 15 kV beam. Oxygen is very consistently found in high concentration with the iron in the red material even after soaking in MEK solvent (Fig. 15), and in Fig.(18) an abundance of oxygen is found relative to iron. Based on quantification of the XEDS spectra, and after accounting for oxygen fractions to trace elements, it is found that the Fe: O ratio for the spectrum in Fig.(18) is approximately 2:3. This indicates that the iron is oxidized and apparently in oxidation state III, indicating that Fe2O3, or perhaps an iron (III) oxo-bridged polymer, is present.
To check the quantification method, tests were performed with the known chemical, iron (III) oxide, and the elemental quantification was found to yield consistent and repeatable results for iron and oxygen. In particular we made eight 50- second measurements on Fe2O3 samples and found consistency for iron (± 6.2%, 1 sigma) and for oxygen (± 3.4%, 1 sigma) with the O/Fe ratio consistently near 1.5 as expected.
The existence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide leads to the obvious hypothesis that the material may contain thermite. However, before concluding that the red material found in the WTC dust is thermitic, further testing would be required. For example, how does the material behave when heated in a sensitive calorimeter? If the material does not react vigorously it may be argued that although ingredients of thermite are present, the material may not really be thermitic.
#289620 Sep 5, 2013
Sorry I did not see your post yesterday or I would have responded.
MUQ my friend, of course the corporate mainstream media and corporate rightwing media is corrupt that is why most Americans still believe Clinton and Obama are liberals and Reagan and the Bush's are conservatives. For the most part they are not!
But, but, and more but, How do you explain warnings from all over the world that Middle Eastern men in particular Usama bin Laden determine to strike in the USA?
Are you saying the 'Whole World' is in on this conspiracy?
I Think Not!
Clues Alerted White House to Potential Attacks
May 17, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/2gqkl
--Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.
--German intelligence alerted the Central Intelligence Agency, Britain's MI-6 intelligence service, Israel's Mossad in June 2001 that Middle Eastern terrorists were training for hijackings and targeting American and Israeli interests.
--In July and August, British intelligence shared "general" information that it had learned through surveillance of Khalid al-Fawwaz, a Saudi Arabian dissident who has publicly acknowledged being a bin Laden operative. Fawwaz, suspected of participating in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya, was arrested after Sept. 11.
French intelligence echoed the "general" information in the final week of August.
The Italian government shared "general" information of possible attacks in March 2001 based on bugs in apartments in Milan.
Pakistanis were taken into custody June 4 in the Cayman Islands after they were overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City; they were questioned and released, and the information was forwarded to U.S. intelligence.
Indian intelligence shared "general" information in July 2001.
#289621 Sep 5, 2013
Try it again comrade...do try to focus. I know with the crazy sh*t going on in Syria...and Egypt...and Libya...and Yemen...well I can understand you not being able to focus very well...knowing deep down inside that it is only a matter of time before the next muslim block tumbles down. KSA, UAE, Bahrain...your guess is as good as mine...but it will happen, this spring fling awakening going on in the muddle east...but back to the questions you did NOT answer...answer the questions...how did they wire and prepare 3 to 8 buildings for controlled demolition and NOT A SINGLE PERSON noticed? And how many people would it have taken to prepare 3 buildings for demolition AFTER airplanes hit? And how were they able to strip, wire and set up charges with fires raging all around? Your conspiracy is squashed, much like the moon theory...but I do wish you safety and freedom...comrade
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#289622 Sep 6, 2013
Why WTC Towers Collapsed? Thermite Materials found in WTC Dust Part-7
3. Thermal Analysis using Differential Scanning Calorimeters
Red/gray chips were subjected to heating using a differential scanning calorimeter (DSC). The data shown in Fig.(19) demonstrate that the red/gray chips from different WTC samples all ignited in the range 415-435 °C. The energy release for each exotherm can be estimated by integrating with respect to time under the narrow peak. Proceeding from the smallest to largest peaks, the yields are estimated to be approximately 1.5, 3, 6 and 7.5 kJ/g respectively. Variations in peak height as well as yield estimates are not surprising, since the mass used to determine the scale of the signal, shown in the DSC traces, included the mass of the gray layer. The gray layer was found to consist mostly of iron oxide so that it probably does not contribute to the exotherm, and yet this layer varies greatly in mass from chip to chip.
4. Observation of Iron-Rich Sphere Formation Upon Ignition of Chips in a Differential Scanning Calorimeter
In the post-DSC residue, charred-porous material and numerous micro-spheres and spheroids were observed. Many of these were analyzed, and it was found that some were iron-rich, which appear shiny and silvery in the optical microscope, and some were silicon-rich, which appear transparent or translucent when viewed with white light; see photographs taken using a Nikon microscope (Fig. 20).
The abundant iron-rich spheres are of particular interest in this study; none were observed in these particular chips prior to DSC-heating. Spheres rich in iron already demonstrate the occurrence of very high temperatures, well above the 700 °C temperature reached in the DSC, in view of the high melting point of iron and iron oxide . Such high temperatures indicate that a chemical reaction occurred. Using back-scattered electron (BSE) imaging, spheres were selected in the post-DSC residue which appeared to be rich in iron. An example is shown in Fig.(21) along with the corresponding XEDS spectrum for this sphere.
A conventional quantitative analysis routine was used to estimate the elemental contents. In the case of this iron-rich spheroid, the iron content exceeds the oxygen content by approximately a factor of two, so substantial elemental iron must be present. This result was repeated in other iron-rich spheroids in the post-DSC sample as well as in spots in the residue which did not form into spheres. Spheroids were observed with Fe :O ratios up to approximately 4:1. Other iron-rich spheres were found in the post-DSC residue which contained iron along with aluminum and oxygen (see Discussion section).
That thermitic reactions from the red/gray chips have indeed occurred in the DSC (rising temperature method of ignition) is confirmed by the combined observation of 1) highly energetic reactions occurring at approximately 430 °C, 2) iron-rich sphere formation so that the product must have been sufficiently hot to be molten (over 1400 °C for iron and iron oxide), 3) spheres, spheroids and non-spheroidal residues in which the iron content exceeds the oxygen content. Significant elemental iron is now present as expected from the thermitic reduction-oxidation reaction of aluminum and iron oxide. The evidence for active, highly energetic thermitic material in the WTC dust is compelling.
Qatif, Saudi Arabia
#289623 Sep 6, 2013
First finish the subject we are discussing, then we can move to other subject.
May be what is happening in Syria has some links with 9/11?
When the plotters and criminals who planned and executed 9/11 went scot free, they might think they will get away with any crime.
Find truth of 9/11 and you might solve hundreds of crimes.
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#289624 Sep 6, 2013
Western Media poses Muslim Threat as "Monster" the way they were present "Communists as a Monster to swallow US and US Dream".
The same tactics they are using in case of Islam and Muslims.
And it is negative propaganda which convince people more easily than the positive things.
Coming to arrests of so many Muslims on the charges of causing violence in US and Europe, I want to ask you a single question:
"How would western people reacted if Muslims have done what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan"?
Why Western Media hides the true impact of US and NATO attack on Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria and Pakistan and Yemen and so many Muslim countries.
Why there should not be any reaction to those killings?
#289625 Sep 6, 2013
It's a dozen years later. Your truth will not come out because what you say are a lot of falsehoods
#289626 Sep 6, 2013
George Bush is more credible tan any platter you would serve on a dozen years of posts on Topix
#289627 Sep 6, 2013
Obama and Hollande commit to a political solution in Syria besides potential military strikes
By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, September 6, 6:14 AM
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia President Barack Obama and French President Francois Hollande (frahn-SWAH oh-LAWND) say they are committed to a political solution in Syria even as they prepare for potential military strikes.
Related to the above report, it is not up to US and France to say they would commit to a political solution in Syria besides potential military strikes.
US and France must lose out but cannot say and do what they would act besides potential military strikes.
THIS CANNOT BE REPEATED AGAIN TO SYRIA--US is not permitted to strike Syria BECAUSE THAT would make it worsened to kill more people instead as US wanting to strike SYRIA based on chemical weapons matter, by saying it would uphold anything as being not allowed, since US did that before to have committed the evil, horrendous crimes.
NO US and France for any MILITARY STRIKES are possible AGAIN AS THERE WILL not be SAME WAY to be ALLOWED AND REPEATED since they are guilty of such wrongfulness.
First, why US has DONE the massacre of more than 350,000 PEOPLE With finding NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS in Iraq instead? US must answer to this guilty verdict, as
If they show maps and medical evidence by making up falsehood and by falsification from saying of people having such, yet they take action to kill so many people as finding nothing of what they say.
When US had slaughtered more than 350,000 in Iraq from calling chemical weapons alone and found none of chemical weapons--just like if someone wants to talk about killing people by saying they have bottles of alcohol (as if alcohols were chemical weapons, that alone is bad enough), for this ends up killing 350,000 people by finding no bottles of alcohol--that US is convicted to this terrible crime and cannot be permitted to say about chemical weapons calling or saying upholding again in Syria , as it was that US by calling such so every time, already did serious wrongs and big crimes?
By talking about chemical weapons calling to have killed a few hundreds of thousands of people is a moral crisis with no truth-finding, as no chemical weapons were there, but to kill 350,000 by US is sickening nut of US that it was never true US said there were chemical weapons in Iraq (and now Syria)--this is very much against US instead.
THUS , US CANNOT HAVE ANY SAY IN SYRIA, BUT ANSWER TO THE GUILT TO STILL CURRENT IRAQ UNREST AFTER 11 YEARS. IN ADDITION US is to carry THE VERY GUILTY VERDICT-- BY US USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS SAYING AS IT WAS NEVER TRUE, TO HAVE KILLED MORE THAN 350,000 PEOPLE in Iraq as US wrongful and evil acts.
US and France cannot deal with and do anything on chemical WEAPONS ISSUE calling, to say they would uphold anything because US already victimized 350,000 lives in Iraq as a result of just already saying they were to uphold about it.
And from that guilty verdict and wrongs, US and France must lose out but cannot say and do what they would act besides potential military strikes--BECAUSE NO MILITARY STRIKES AGAIN to Syria AS THERE WILL not be SAME WAY to be ALLOWED AND REPEATED since they are guilty of such wrongfulness before.
#289628 Sep 6, 2013
What is happening in Syria is tied to the perpetrators of 9 - 11? That is a bizarre theory..so you think that Chemical Ali's mass-muslim murderer of his own citizens, the great Allah Assad was behind the twin towers, pentagon and wtc5, wtc6, wtc7 collapses? That's a new theory to me...I would love to hear about that one...so how do you suppose Assad and his assistants slipped into building 1, 2, 7 and the pentagon and prepped the buildings so quickly with thermite shape cutters and demolition charges right after the planes struck the buildings without being detected?
#289629 Sep 6, 2013
Is that you Raja? I was wondering where my good friend GJ Braindead at Birth went to...so how have you been doing, George? If I was a betting man I would have figured you for pulling the ripcord on the fast track to the train by now...seems wasting a perfectly good explosive vest makes no sense at all with so many evil americans visiting Canada all the time...so tell me, do you think the moon physically split in half at a time when only one persons was gazing skyward? What would you put the odds at? I am thinking a billion to 1...
#289630 Sep 6, 2013
Ripcord to The ALLAH train that is...islam, where you get rewarded for killing...gee, now that's a religion our prison population could get in to...
Just curious, does GWB the great still get credit for the 77 Iraqis murdered just yesterday by ANOTHER muslim suicide bomber? If so that would be 350,077 wouldn't it JBH?
#289631 Sep 6, 2013
Tell you what comrade...lets go with your thermite theory and say it is true...fast forward to my questions:
How do you suppose that they (whoever they is) wire and prepare 3 to 8 buildings for controlled demolition and NOT A SINGLE PERSON noticed? And how many people would it have taken to prepare 3 buildings for demolition AFTER airplanes hit? And how were they able to strip, wire and set up charges with fires raging all around? And all seriousness aside please know that I do wish you safety and hopefully before you leave this world, a taste of true freedom...comrade
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#289632 Sep 7, 2013
So if he is the "Worst President in US history"...earlier Presidents must have been real giants? Vow, I did not know that!!
Vow, Double Vow,
Why not go and kiss the feet of GWB the Great?
Qatif, Saudi Arabia
#289633 Sep 7, 2013
Why leave the Super Thermite trail?
That is main clue to WTC fall, which NIST and official investigators ignored.
Why you want to ignore it?
Do not want to know the Truth?
Or truth is what CNN, Fox and White House dole out to you?
I did not know that you will be so unreasonable!!
Qatif, Saudi Arabia
#289634 Sep 7, 2013
Why WTC Towers Collapsed? Thermite Materials found in WTC Dust Part-8
5. Flame/Ignition Tests
The DSC used in our studies does not allow for visual inspection of the energetic reaction. Therefore tests were also performed with a small oxyacetylene flame applied to red/gray chips. Samples were either heated on a graphite block (Fig. 22) or held with tweezers in the flame. Several paint samples were also tested and in each case, the paint sample was immediately reduced to fragile ashes by the hot flame. This was not the case, however, with any of the red/gray chips from the World Trade Center dust.
The first WTC red/gray chip so tested was approximately 1mm X 1mm. After a few seconds of heating, the high-speed ejection of a hot particle was observed under the hand of the person holding the torch (Fig. 22). The intense light and bright orange color of the particle attest to its high temperature.
In this case, the attempt to recover the diminutive end product of the reaction was unsuccessful. A short video clip of the test (including slow-motion) is available here:
In a later flame-ignition test, the end product was recovered and is shown in the photomicrograph and SEM image in Fig.(23). Once again, the formation of iron-rich semispherical shapes shows that the residue had been melted, enabling surface tension of the liquid to pull it into spherical shapes. However, the evidence obtained in the DSC analyses is more compelling that a thermitic reaction actually occurs as in that case ignition is observed when the red material is heated to no more than 430 °C.
All of the dust samples that were inspected were found to contain red/gray chips. The chips are characterized by a red layer in which XEDS analysis identifies carbon, oxygen, aluminum, silicon, and iron, and a gray layer in which mainly iron and oxygen are found. The ratios of these elements appear to be similar especially when this analysis is performed on a clean cross-section of the layers. The BSE imaging also shows the consistency of the red layers by revealing the size and morphology of the particles that are contained in the bulk of the layers. The results clearly show the similarities of the red/gray chips from the different dust samples from all four sites.
There are a number of questions raised by our results.
#289635 Sep 7, 2013
You are correct the Western media does have an anti-Muslim bias slant similar to the media in the Middle East which as an anti-Western bias slant.
How many Muslims in the world 2 Billion?
How many Christians in the world 2 Billion?
The majority of Muslims and the majority of Christians are decent and peaceful.
Governments/Nations are controlled by another system which lie, cheat, and steal from their citizenry and other Nations.
Do not mix Religion with government.
Wars are always evil and many innocents die and get maimed.
Seems like all the dictators in the Middle East are targets with Syria and Iran next.
These wars are not accomplishing anything positive IMO even with the oil and defense contractors getting the lions share.
The blowback from 9/11/01 and the other blowback from these wars could continue for many more years unfortunately.
#289636 Sep 7, 2013
The CIA and the Media
by Carl Bernstein / Rolling Stone, Oct. 20, 1977 / http://tinyurl.com/r3yon
- Employees of so-called CIA "proprietaries." During the past twenty-five years, the Agency has secretly bankrolled numerous foreign press services, periodicals and newspapers -- both English and foreign language -- which provided excellent cover for CIA operatives.
Columnists and commentators. There are perhaps a dozen well-known columnists and broadcast commentators whose relationships with the CIA go far beyond those normally maintained between reporters and their sources. They are referred to at the Agency as "known assets" and can be counted on to perform a variety of undercover tasks; they are considered receptive to the Agency"s point of view on various subjects.
Murky details of CIA relationships with individuals and news organizations began trickling out in 1973 when it was first disclosed that the CIA had, on occasion, employed journalists. Those reports, combined with new information, serve as casebook studies of the Agency's use of journalists for intelligence purposes.
The New York Times -- The Agency's relationship with the Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials.[It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible.
... CIA officials cite two reasons why the Agency's working relationship with the Times was closer and more extensive than with any other paper: the fact that the Times maintained the largest foreign news operation in American daily journalism; and the close personal ties between the men who ran both institutions ....
The Columbia Broadcasting System -- CBS was unquestionably the CIA's most valuable broadcasting asset. CBS president William Paley and Allen Dulles enjoyed an easy working and social relationship. Over the years, the network provided cover for CIA employees, including at least one well-known foreign correspondent and several stringers; it supplied outtakes of newsfilm to the CIA; established a formal channel of communication between the Washington bureau chief and the Agency; gave the Agency access to the CBS newsfilm library; and allowed reports by CBS correspondents to the Washington and New York newsrooms to be routinely monitored by the CIA. Once a year during the 1950s and early 1960s, CBS correspondents joined the CIA hierarchy for private dinners and briefings.
... At the headquarters of CBS News in New York, Paley's cooperation with the CIA is taken for granted by many news executives and reporters, despite the denials. Paley, 76, was not interviewed by Salant's investigators. "It wouldn't do any good," said one CBS executive. "It is the single subject about which his memory has failed."
CIA moonlights in corporate world
In the midst of two wars and the fight against Al Qaeda, the CIA is offering operatives a chance to peddle their expertise to private companies on the side a policy that gives financial firms and hedge funds access to the nations top-level intelligence talent, POLITICO has learned.
In one case, these active-duty officers moonlighted at a hedge-fund consulting firm that wanted to tap their expertise in deception detection, the highly specialized art of telling when executives may be lying based on clues in a conversation.
Qatif, Saudi Arabia
#289637 Sep 7, 2013
I appreciate your post very much my dear brother.
If Muslims and Christians make peace with each other, they BOTH would be the gainers.
But of you analyze, there is more hate and hatred amongst Christians about Prophet of Islam and Muslims than it is in Muslims towards Prophet of Jews and Christians.
No Muslim says any thing bad about Jesus, Moses or most of Jewish prophets and does not criticise their personal character.
While the "favorite pastime" of most Jews and Christians is to insult, abuse and find faults with moral and personal character of our prophet.
Who has to share more blame for that? Muslims or Christians?
Unless there is mutual self respect, and tolerance on both side, how they can live in peace and tranquility?
And one thing which I have sen recently is Christian' "New found love" for Jews and Zionists and their cause.
How it happened , I do not know exactly, but to day almost every Christian and Christian nation have one sided support for Jews and Isreal and condone its every act of atrocity.
This in one time has become a major issue of confrontation between Muslims and Christians?
Why cant Christian nations leave Jews to their fate? Let them fight and stand for their survival, since when Christians have become Jews Keepers?
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