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Jul 22, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 3
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
Free-fall collapse time of the structures
15. One of the most perplexing aspects about the collapse of the WTC structures is that they tumbled to the ground in almost free-fall time. Researchers say this is a physical impossibility.
“One of the things that particularly struck me was the incredible speed in which the towers came down,” said Paolo Marini, a metallurgy researcher at the Italian Center for Materials Development.
16. There was something truly inexplicable about the speed of the collapse. If we drop a weight from a height of around 400 meters, which was the height of the towers, the time it would take to reach the ground… would take approximately 9 seconds.
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17. David Chandler, a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, has created a video presentation that blows a gaping in hole in the official version of events.
18. Chandler focuses on the top 32 meters (equivalent to eight floors) of World Trade Center I, also known as the North Tower, which collapses and drops on top of the massive undamaged section below. It has been argued that the downward force of the upper section onto the lower section was what brought down the entire building into a mountain of dust and rubble.
19. Chandler tracks the rate of fall of the upper 32 meters at 64 per cent of free fall speed. In other words, once the upper structure begins to fall, the upward resistive force (that is, the undamaged section below) must be only 36 per cent of the weight of the falling section of the building, i.e. the difference in percentage (if the math seems fuzzy to some readers, you may want to find Chandler's visual models, which are easily accessible over the Internet).
20.“So far, so good,” says Chandler, who has a knack for making physics sound simple.“But… Newton’s Third Law says that interaction between objects work both ways. The forces that two objects exert on each other are always equal and opposite. If the upward force acting on the falling block is 36 percent of the weight of the falling block, the downward force exerted by the falling block must be exactly the same: 36 percent of the weight of the falling block.”
21.“In other words,” Chandlers continues,“the top section of the building is exerting less force on the lower, stronger, undamaged structure than it would if it were simply sitting motionless.”
Chandler’s scientific conclusion:“The top section of the building, whatever its condition, cannot possibly be destroying the lower section of the building. The destruction of the building must be caused by something else.”
22. To summarize: Even if we accept the official explanation that fires from the jet fuel weakened the steel girders to the point that made the upper section collapse on to the bottom section, the freefall speed that is clear for all to see cannot have happened by itself; something else must have been destroying the lower floors at the same time that the upper “block” was coming down. The force of the smaller 8-storey section of building above was not significant enough to bring down the entire North and South Towers as it allegedly did.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Are you saying that there were demolition explosives on every floor below where the plane hit? Now that was some really good planning and secret keeping by those few experts that were involved, and not only one building but 8...I am very impressed with their ability to keep secrets...very impressed indeed...
Does near freefall equal freefall in your expert opinion as a sanitation engineer?
Did moonrocks fall at freefall when moon split you think?
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Jul 22, 2013
 
But comrade MUQ you never did answer my three questions and here you are up to 26 of yours...that is hardly fair is it?
Again, here we go...

First question you DID NOT answer...how much manpower would be required to prep 3 to 8 buildings for demolition while concealing this from the public?

Second question you did not answer...what impact did a 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel have on structural failure?

Third question you did not answer...how is it you can deny what is obvious yet get sucked into a cult that believes it is possible for a moon to physically split in half...but only for a moment and at the precise time when only one self appointed prophet of allah out of approximately ONE BILLION people was looking skyward? How is this even conceivable to you, comrade of an engineering education? I know your religion forbids you to say it but how can you not think it?
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Jul 22, 2013
 
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You do not know that WTC buildings were made of steel columns and bars?
Then outer panels were fit, to give it a Multistory look.
It was not made of RCC, that is why the collapse of those Massive Steel columns is the more amazing.
How a jet strike and fuel related fire for 60-90 minutes,“melted” those massive steel columns?
This is the “truth” which NIST and official agencies are trying to avoid.
They just point fingers at “video footage”…saying we do not know how it happened, but it did happen as the video shows!!
They should have been “first” to investigate it fully, so that same thing does not happen to other buildings.
No worry about other buildings...if you take out the perpetrators of such allah designated jihad before they strike again, yes? This seems to have been much more successful...go after the serpent's head to eliminate the serpent's strike again...
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Jul 22, 2013
 
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Mr. AB s, here I post next page...!!
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 4
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
The inexplicable (and ignored) collapse of WTC 7:
23. If the destruction of the World Trade Center’s North and South towers was nothing more than magicians pulling fluffy white rabbits out of silk black hats, World Trade Center 7 is where the cards tumbled out of their sleeves, revealing the invisible strings that brought this great illusion to life.
24. The horrifying images of two commercial jets slamming into the North and South Towers of the World Trade Center largely dominate our memories of 9/11. Yet many people forget about, or never heard of, World Trade Center 7, which was a 47-storey, 200-meter-high skyscraper that was never hit by a jet, yet crumpled to the ground like a house of cards a full 7 hours after the collapse of the North Tower. So let us reiterate: there were three destroyed skyscrapers on 9/11, but just two commercial jets.
25. And just like the first two towers, WTC 7 dropped at almost free-fall speed. Although this building was damaged by falling debris from the collapse of WTC North tower (a large gash was visible on the building’s exposed side), and was on fire in isolated sections for several hours, the extent of the physical damage seems entirely inconsistent with the final catastrophic result.
26. An increasing number of researchers are arriving at the conclusion that Building 7, like the towers, was brought down with thermitic material. Indeed, at the base of the WTC 7 towers, as was the case with the North and South towers, the presence of molten metal in large quantities was found. But more on that "theory" later.
27. David Chandler, a humble physics teacher armed with nothing more than inexpensive software and a zero budget, provided a far more realistic analysis of the collapse of the WTC 7 building than NIST did with its multimillion-dollar government budget.
Basically, Chandler accuses NIST of not only doing a “sloppy job” in its analysis of the collapse of WTC 7, but goes so far as calling it “beyond incompetence; it is a… blatant lie.”
28.“NIST’s method tells us nothing about the nature of the motion itself,” says the physicist.“They merely assume uniform acceleration over a time interval in which it is clear that the acceleration is not uniform. Mislabeling their assumption to be constant speed indicates sloppy work. But asserting uniform acceleration for an interval where the building sits nearly motionless for several seconds and then drops for several seconds in free fall is beyond incompetence, it is a… blatant lie.”
29.“The average acceleration is a meaningless quantity,” Chandler explains.“It is the instantaneous acceleration that is significant because the acceleration at any moment is an indication of the forces at work. To measure and publish a meaningless average acceleration, when sufficient data and a multimillion dollar budget are available… constitutes either gross incompetence or an attempt to obfuscate the issue.”
Your comments Mr. AB s?
I concede to my most esteemed conservatively moderate liberally independent colleague from New York...
9/11 Model Backs Up Tower Collapse Theory
http://tinyurl.com/ywthn4 Jun 20, 2007
A two-year study of the World Trade Center Towers’ collapse by Purdue University has reaffirmed the findings of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which suggested that the buildings crashed under their own weight after crucial support columns and fireproofing were damaged or destroyed. The research team released an animation of the first plane’s collision to visualize their research.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/2...

What say you comrade?
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Jul 22, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
Mr. AB s, here I post next page...!!
...24. The horrifying images of two commercial jets slamming into the North and South Towers of the World Trade Center largely dominate our memories of 9/11. Yet many people forget about, or never heard of, World Trade Center 7, which was a 47-storey, 200-meter-high skyscraper that was never hit by a jet, yet crumpled to the ground like a house of cards a full 7 hours after the collapse of the North Tower. So let us reiterate: there were three destroyed skyscrapers on 9/11, but just two commercial jets.
25. And just like the first two towers, WTC 7 dropped at almost free-fall speed...
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Couldn't resist these two gems...actually 8 buildings collapsed or partially collapsed...and almost does not equal freefall does it? For example, your sister was almost pregnant...does not equal your sister is pregnant does it?
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Jul 22, 2013
 
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Are you saying that there were demolition explosives on every floor below where the plane hit? Now that was some really good planning and secret keeping by those few experts that were involved, and not only one building but 8...I am very impressed with their ability to keep secrets...very impressed indeed...
Does near freefall equal freefall in your expert opinion as a sanitation engineer?
Did moonrocks fall at freefall when moon split you think?

2.

But comrade MUQ you never did answer my three questions and here you are up to 26 of yours...that is hardly fair is it?
Again, here we go...

First question you DID NOT answer...how much manpower would be required to prep 3 to 8 buildings for demolition while concealing this from the public?

Second question you did not answer...what impact did a 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel have on structural failure?

Third question you did not answer...?

3.

No worry about other buildings...if you take out the perpetrators of such allah designated jihad before they strike again, yes? This seems to have been much more successful...go after the serpent's head to eliminate the serpent's strike again...

4.

I concede to my most esteemed conservatively moderate liberally independent colleague from New York...
9/11 Model Backs Up Tower Collapse Theory
http://tinyurl.com/ywthn4 Jun 20, 2007
A two-year study of the World Trade Center Towers’ collapse by Purdue University has reaffirmed the findings of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which suggested that the buildings crashed under their own weight after crucial support columns and fireproofing were damaged or destroyed. The research team released an animation of the first plane’s collision to visualize their research.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/2 ...

What say you comrade?
Ans.

1. It is a job for those who are in "demolition business". It was the job for NIST and investigating agencies.

But if they do such "major investigation" based on TV and Video footage, what else we can say?

2. First question: It does not need all that manpower to rig buildings "marked for demolition" using specialty material.

3 Second Question: Whatever Impact was caused by the Jetliners, the buildings were "designed" to withstand it! That is the statement from WTC Tower designers!!

4. Third Question: Does not need any answer.

5. I know all about these "computer model simulations" of WTC…

These are gimmicks, you do not know what parameters they set in the computer software!!

That is how they inserted those 10,000 pages of "useless info" in the NIST report.

It seems you are just a novice in these matters and your mind is "permanently stuck" in the splitting of moon.

The ONLY way to demonstrate the fall of WTC towers is to make a scale model (1:50, 1:100) and show how it falls to ground with a single impact of Jet and fuel related fire in an "official building" not an explosive warehouse!!

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Meanwhile it is fun to watch you making every trick in the book and not saying "Yes NIST and CNN and FOX news made a mistake"
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Jul 23, 2013
 
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Why give a peace treaty to a defeated nation? I do have two agreements to throw your way though hank...what are Potsdam and the Two plus 4 agreements? By all means the floor is yours, educate me...
Germany is not a free Country. Germany has no peace treaty. For Germany for the UN it is a hostile Country. At any time Germany can be attacked by the Allied for whatever reason. Germany "lives" at the mercy of the Allied.
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Jul 23, 2013
 
Linktv org wrote:
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Honest Capitalism is noble and good.
Pay To Play system is corrupt with Wall Street and the prostitutes in Congress.
Of course it is silly to speak of a "noble capitalism". There was never such a Thing at all. Superprofits was the sole purpose in all its historic times. That means capitalism is a suicide System especially in the nuclear Age.
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Jul 23, 2013
 
Linktv org wrote:
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John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For the xtime: god never existed.
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Jul 23, 2013
 
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The principles enshrined in the Constitution do not change over time. But the application of those principles must evolve as society changes and as experience informs our understanding.
I.e. as technological means of surveillance became more sophisticated, for example, the meaning of “search” in the Fourth Amendment came to include invasions of privacy that do not involve a physical trespass. Equally, as fire arms technology changes the meaning of “to bear arms” takes on a whole new dimension. Constitutional interpretation is not a mechanical enterprise. It calls upon the public and the courts to consider text, history, precedent, values, changing social, economic, technological, and cultural conditions, and the practical realities of the times.
There is only one constitution for the US: the might of the billionairs.
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Jul 23, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
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...2. First question: It does not need all that manpower to rig buildings "marked for demolition" using specialty material.

...12. It seems you are just a novice in these matters and your mind is "permanently stuck" in the splitting of moon.

...17. The ONLY way to demonstrate the fall of WTC towers is to make a scale model (1:50, 1:100) and show how it falls to ground with a single impact of Jet and fuel related fire in an "official building" not an explosive warehouse!!
...2. Must admit you got my attention with this answer, please explain this specialty material...what kind of specialty material? And how did NO ONE notice the prep crews?

...12. It intrigues me that the entire philosophy of the world's largest religion is based on something even MORE impossible than 9-11, yet just because you were born by muslims, you are chicken to dispute this fabrication of a moon splitting in half, why is that? Afraid for your life? The religion of fear perhaps? Mighty white of you people to free that woman for getting herself RAPED and jailed by the way...

...17. No need for a scale model, it has all ready been repeated...two jets, two buildings, two identical collapses...now perhaps a scale of wtc7, wtc6, wtc5, wtc4, wtc3 and 1/5th of the pentagon would make you happy, yes?
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Jul 23, 2013
 
henry wrote:
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For the xtime: god never existed.
BUT IF HE DID, hank, he loves you...
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Jul 23, 2013
 
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BUT IF HE DID, hank, he loves you...
Hello ABs...long time no see.
How you been?
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ABs wrote:
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I concede to my most esteemed conservatively moderate liberally independent colleague from New York...
9/11 Model Backs Up Tower Collapse Theory
http://tinyurl.com/ywthn4 Jun 20, 2007
A two-year study of the World Trade Center Towers’ collapse by Purdue University has reaffirmed the findings of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which suggested that the buildings crashed under their own weight after crucial support columns and fireproofing were damaged or destroyed. The research team released an animation of the first plane’s collision to visualize their research.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/2...
What say you comrade?
Thanks for your kind words ABs.

I think our friend is taking too much Middle Eastern Sun!

LOL
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henry wrote:
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Of course it is silly to speak of a "noble capitalism". There was never such a Thing at all. Superprofits was the sole purpose in all its historic times. That means capitalism is a suicide System especially in the nuclear Age.
After Wall Street stole and robbed in 1929, Glass/Steagall was implemented and prohibited them to some degree, but capitalism flourished and most Americans benefited.

In the 1950s, 1960s and even 1970s primarily only the Husband worked in the family and provided for all the needs.

The Husband retired when 65 with a nice pension and Social Security.

Today all those days are gone.

We have to get back to fairness instead of more greed.

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Can You Afford To Retire? Video / http://tinyurl.com/h8xdx
The baby boomer generation is headed for a shock as it hits retirement: many of them will be long on life expectancy but short on savings. The two main strategies for funding retirement -- lifetime pensions and 401(k)-style savings plans -- are in serious trouble. In "Can You Afford to Retire?" FRONTLINE correspondent Hedrick Smith ("Is Wal-Mart Good for America?") investigates this looming financial crisis and the outlook for middle-class Americans.(more)»
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retir...

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Jul 23, 2013
 
ABs, On second thought I think our friend does have some merit.

I never believed the 9/11 Commission Report but I still never believed it was an inside job.

Listen to Lee Hamilton answers.

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Lee Hamilton: "We do not claim in this report to have written the final truth"

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-01/lee-ham...
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Jul 23, 2013
 
who wrote:
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Hello ABs...long time no see.
How you been?
Well looky hear, if it isn't my favorite poncy toff wanker from across the pond..so great to hear from you old friend and hope life is treating you well. Great show last weekend at historic if not secular racist Muirfield was it not? Great to see the lefty wank from our west coast bring home the jug...

Sowhat have you been up to, mee palley?
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Opensecrets org wrote:
ABs, On second thought I think our friend does have some merit.
I never believed the 9/11 Commission Report but I still never believed it was an inside job.
Listen to Lee Hamilton answers.
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Lee Hamilton: "We do not claim in this report to have written the final truth"
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-01/lee-ham...
I have no doubt that comrade MUQ has merit...but eventually the truth will come out and once again...so far...nothing has come out, not even about the inside job of wtc7 demo...not a peep...nada, zip, zilda...
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Jul 23, 2013
 
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 5

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

Collapse of WTC (Contd.)

31. But even if we accept the official version, which says that WTC 7 was “compromised by falling debris” from the North and South Towers, as Popular Mechanics mechanically argued, how is it possible that the building came down in “elegant”(as one demolition expert put it to me) controlled-demolition fashion?
32. Demolishing a building is a veritable science that requires the precise placement of explosive charges at carefully selected points so that the targeted structure drops into its own footprint without damaging any other buildings in the vicinity. This is exactly what WTC 7, as well as the monstrous North and South towers, politely did with tremendous respect for their surroundings.
33. Having a large building drop in textbook fashion without the assistance of professionals must be to demolitionists what a monkey that sat down to a typewriter and hammered out perfect Shakespeare in a fortnight would be to literary agents. In other words, highly unlikely.
34. Compounding the mystery behind the inexplicable collapse of the 47-storey WTC 7 building, which housed Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management, this major event (the collapse) is never mentioned once in the government’s 9/11 Commission report.

35. If anybody holds out hope that somebody someday will analyze the steel columns from the collapse for evidence of explosives, better not hold your breath: the wreckage was quickly whisked out of the United States to Asia where it was melted down. Indeed, we are probably buying Chinese-made toys made out of WTC evidence without even knowing it. Thus, NIST’s threadbare investigative efforts have been compared to “conducting an autopsy without the corpse.”
36.“Anyone serious about solving a crime,” comments Chandler,“knows the importance of physical evidence. Yet here (at Ground Zero), the crime scene has been scrubbed, the evidence destroyed, and the investigation delayed for years.”

“Destroying a crime scene is itself a criminal act,” Chandler concludes.

“Destroying the steel has absolutely no justification except to cover up the cause of the collapse.”

Your comments Mr. AB s?
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Jul 24, 2013
 
Opensecrets org wrote:
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After Wall Street stole and robbed in 1929, Glass/Steagall was implemented and prohibited them to some degree, but capitalism flourished and most Americans benefited.
In the 1950s, 1960s and even 1970s primarily only the Husband worked in the family and provided for all the needs.
The Husband retired when 65 with a nice pension and Social Security.
Today all those days are gone.
We have to get back to fairness instead of more greed.
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Can You Afford To Retire? Video / http://tinyurl.com/h8xdx
The baby boomer generation is headed for a shock as it hits retirement: many of them will be long on life expectancy but short on savings. The two main strategies for funding retirement -- lifetime pensions and 401(k)-style savings plans -- are in serious trouble. In "Can You Afford to Retire?" FRONTLINE correspondent Hedrick Smith ("Is Wal-Mart Good for America?") investigates this looming financial crisis and the outlook for middle-class Americans.(more)»
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retir...
For the xtime: Capitalism means war and this means superprofit and this means finally suicide of the System. In the nuclear Age of course the end of humanity.

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