'The War Is Not Over'

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ABs

Aiken, SC

#288892 Jul 16, 2013
Food for thought comrade MUQ...continued...
...Your first logical course of action, you scramble the Air Force to the international incoming flight routes to insure that what is happening is not some foreign invasion taking place...secure the perimeter. You give the Air Force authorization to escort and if necessary, engage in any international flight that refuses orders to divert as instructed, but you have not received confirmation that they all have received such instructions.
In the midst of it all you receive officially unconfirmed information that flight 77 MIGHT be a hijacking. You have to take time to ingest whether this information is reliable so you pause, hoping to buy enough time to receive Absolute confirmation that the flight is in fact in the hands of operatives. About the time you decipher and decide that you should redeploy the nearest squadron, you remember that they have been mobilized to the perimeter and you are unsure if they can u-turn and make it back in time.

You activate the missile defense system but by engaging the system you realize that 20,000 people will die, not to mention the collateral damage from the falling debris, the missiles that miss their targets, etc. More reports pour in that more pilots have reported in per protocol from your MAJOR international airports, but you need more time to ascertain the reports from secondary airports...but unfortunately you do not have the luxury of time. Confirmation finally comes in that Flight 77 is indeed not responding to calls, but you are still unsure if it is hijacked, or merely a malfunction of communication equipment. You have the power to take it out of the sky but then instead of the direct route it is taking towards your Federal Capitol, it begins to veer into a circular pattern. You are looking for any sign that you do not have to kill the innocents on the plane, so for a moment you take that as a positive sign that maybe, just maybe, the plane is circling to get in position to land at nearby Brussels International, very close proximity to the Hague. And just as you seem to have a glimmer of hope the plane veers again and hits the UN Center...but you are the leader, you have to immediately re-focus on the other issues, international flights, secondary airports, planes scrambling everywhere...
Continued...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288893 Jul 16, 2013
Final chapter comrade MUQ...continued...

...So many thoughts, so many decisions to make in the time it takes you to eat and drink a simple meal...you have but a brief moment to think...your mind flashes, do I take out 20000 people or do I risk the chance that if only a few of the planes have been hijacked, maybe the innocent lives lost will be only...say a little over 3,000. You struggle with the decision, 20000 deaths by my missiles...a brief hope that maybe the loss of lives will be less if you just play out the event and secure the perimeter...

A trigger happy EUC commander dying to use all this great state of the art wartime defense equipment you have invested billions on, is screaming at you, snapping you out of the mental lapse...”Do we engage, I need the order sir.” The cabinet members are screaming in the other ear,“Sir - you realize the retribution if you shoot down planes and kill thousands of people that are on flights that are not controlled by terrorists; your political career is over, lawsuits galore, ACLU demonstrating in the DC Mall.” The EUC commander screams again,“Mr. Commander in Chief, am I authorized to shoot down all remaining aircraft?”

The Vice Commander in Chief is recommending more time before acting, planes are circling over MAJOR metropolitan areas in France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, UK, Germany, Sweden, Portugal, Poland, loss of life no matter which way you turn...planes are circling over hundreds of smaller metropolitan areas of less than a million people each...
So what is your decision Mr. Commander in Chief? And how are you going to explain yourself for the decision you make when it is all over with, knowing full well that no matter what you decide, people are forever going to second guess your decision no matter what you choose? Why did you opt for the 20000 deaths in lieu of a few buildings whose occupants may have had a better chance at surviving then the ones in the planes? Why did you do nothing and let the planes take out the buildings? Why did you concentrate on securing the perimeter first? Not to mention the few that believes that you are in on the attack...
...all this in the time you take every day for a quick kneel praying to mecca, having a quick meal and a drink...that was our 9-11-01...what decisions did you have to deal with on that day other than how to hate America more?

If you are ready to debate logically, lets get started...okay?
spocko

Oakland, CA

#288894 Jul 16, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me if this is a sick joke...WHY ARE THE PEOPLES OF COLOR IN YOUR HOME STATE ROBBING WALMARTS IN HONOR OF TRAYVON??? I see another white trucker brick party coming...
Huh? It's just like any other day to rob WalMart ...:)
spocko

Oakland, CA

#288895 Jul 16, 2013
An open letter to whites about the black community and the Trayvon Martin case
http://themolinist.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/a...
newsphotos

AOL

#288896 Jul 16, 2013
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Revelation's FALSE PROPHET ....In Plain View



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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288897 Jul 17, 2013
AB s wrote:
1.

Evasive? moi? No way comrade...just a sesitive baby back rib loving human being...so I take it the mullah will not allow you to apologize to a non-muslim, yes? Ask your mullah WWAD...

But getting back to evasive why you not answer the question??? It is a simple question don't you agree? How can so many people be in on this conspiracy and yet not a peep from ANYONE? How long did it take for the truth about the death of Elvis to come out?

Did you know thaat CNN and Fox news both offered millions of dollars to anyone having any information of a cover up...and guess what? No takers, not one.

2.

Whether I need growing up or not has no bearing on the manpower effort required to prepare from 4 to 8 buildings for demolition...do you have any idea what is required to install these LSC s or linear shaped cutters as they are know as??? It is easier to bury your head in the sand (no pun intended) and pretend that just a few people knew about the

3.
Ans.

1. You are just posting down "meaningless and evasive posts" that carry no meaning.

2. Yes the Truth comes out, provided there is will to investigate and accept it.

If you would have accepted "official theory" about Watergate and Clinton Scandal, the matters would have ended.

But people kept on pressing for truth and they got it.

03. But in the case of 9/11, most people just accept "official version" even when there are so many holes in it.

They do it, because they have "guilty conscience" about it. They have already attacked two countries and killed more than a million humans there.

So they have a "national shame" to trace back and say "it was a mistake".

That is the "main reason" they keep on defending "official 9/11 theory."

04. For me there is no such concern, I will now start posting from reports that show, holes in the official theory.

Please give you comments at each episode, so we get along, with our discussions.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288898 Jul 17, 2013
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 1

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

3 towers, 2 jets

WTC Fires and Madrid Building Fire:

1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours. I repeat: 20 consecutive hours. The structure did not collapse. In fact, after the fire was finally extinguished, a huge construction crane was seen perched on the roof of the building as raw testimony to the practical indestructibility of steel as a construction material.


2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure, to two relatively low-temperature fires inside the formidably constructed WTC buildings. As the investigators would have us believe, those fires caused both structures to disappear, in mirror-image collapses, into their own footprints in less than one hour.
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela. The fire burned for 17 consecutive hours, but the steel structure did not collapse.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires, visible by the dark gray smoke that emitted from both structures. Indeed, very few flames were visible at all. Furthermore, many tenants of the stricken buildings were able to walk down the emergency steps past the point of impact where the planes had struck.

5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor, was working in his office at Euro Brokers Inc. when, at 9:03am, United Airlines 175 crashed into the 78th Floor. Euro Brokers’ office was situated on the 84th floor, 6 storey above the impact of the jetliner. Yet Clark, together with other fellow employees, managed to escape from the South Tower, walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames. When we came to the 78th floor (the point of impact), there were flames licking up the other side of the wall… It wasn’t a roaring inferno. I sensed that the flames were maybe starved for oxygen right there. We kept going, and when we got to the 74th floor… normal conditions: the lights were on, and there was fresh air coming up from below.”

7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image of office workers who were filmed standing inside the gaping mouth of the airplanes’ point of entry, desperately waiting to be rescued. Indeed, much of the jet fuel that both airplanes were carrying was immediately blown out of the buildings upon impact in magnificent orange fireballs.

Your comments Mr. AB s?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288899 Jul 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job.
1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours...
2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure...
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires,
5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor...walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames...
7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image ...
Your comments Mr. AB s?
1 and 2...you are incorrect, the madrid building partially collapsed without even being hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel...but then you know that and choose to ignore this obvious fact, why is that?

3...again wrong, partially collapsed and as you well know...the venezuelan tower sustained major damage because firefighting efforts were hampered by non-working automatic sprinkler and standpipe systems. It was feared that the concrete-and-steel structure could be damaged severely enough to collapse, and internal firefighting efforts were pulled in the interest of safety. Two steel decks partially collapsed, and deflection in some steel beams was later found to be severe. The fire burned itself out in the early morning of October 19 AND AGAIN you choose to leave out the obvious fact that it was not hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel cousing damage to the main core structure...why is that?

4. As an engineer that should clue you in on the fact that fire alone probably would not have taken down part or all of the WTC buildings 1 thru 7...someone with a brain should slap you upside the head and state the obvious, WHAT IMPACT DID DAMAGE CAUSED BY 800 FOOT PER SECOND 30 FOOT PLUS DIAMETER FUEL LAIDEN ALUMINUM SPHERES HAVE ON A BUILDING's SOUNDNESS?

5. and 6. Things that make you go DUH HUH!...As an engineer think about it for a second...the airliner that struck the North Tower struck it perpendicular to the north face, its impact severing all the elevators and all three stairwells. The airliner that struck the South Tower struck at an angle. It severed two stairwells but left Stairway A, the one they were using, more or less intact...so of course he would not see what was visible to the other two stairwells...but if you want his true testimony...yes RECORDED FOR ALL TIME testimony, start here...in King ABsDullah will allow you access...or not, choose to stay ignorant and keep hate alive...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Clark_ (9/11_attacks_survivor)

7. What impact did the impact have on the failure and what impact did the impact of over 200 stories of buildings have on smaller buildings? Not to mention, if your basis is that there were not fires enough to cause the structure failure and ultimate collapse does that mean that later on you are NOT going to bring up the molten metal argument to contradict this one?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#288900 Jul 17, 2013
Please stop the muslim on muslim violence and murder NOW...how can Islam principle based on a split moon take over the world if your peoples can't get along, comrade MUQ?

An average of 6,000 Syrians are fleeing their war-ravaged country every day, causing the world's worst refugee crisis since the Rwandan genocide, the United Nations warns. The UN's refugee chief says the outflow of refugees has escalated at "a frightening rate" since the beginning of this year, causing a "crushing impact" on neighboring countries including Turkey and Lebanon, the BBC reports. A Security Council meeting was also told that the conflict is claiming some 5,000 lives a month.

The world is "not only watching the destruction of a country but also of its people," the UN's aid chief said, warning that 6.8 million Syrians—half of them children—are in urgent need of humanitarian aid. "The security, economic, political, social, development, and humanitarian consequences of this crisis are extremely grave and its human impact immeasurable in terms of the long-term trauma and emotional impact on this and future generations of Syrians," she said. Syria's ambassador to the UN, meanwhile, claimed the regime was doing "everything possible to shoulder its responsibility and its duty to its people."
Therealnews com

Oakdale, NY

#288901 Jul 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 1
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
3 towers, 2 jets
WTC Fires and Madrid Building Fire:
1. In February 2005, the 32-storey Windsor Building in the financial district of Madrid, Spain was completely engulfed by flames for 20 consecutive hours. I repeat: 20 consecutive hours. The structure did not collapse. In fact, after the fire was finally extinguished, a huge construction crane was seen perched on the roof of the building as raw testimony to the practical indestructibility of steel as a construction material.
2. Now compare the fire in Madrid that burned continuously for 20 hours, without compromising the structure, to two relatively low-temperature fires inside the formidably constructed WTC buildings. As the investigators would have us believe, those fires caused both structures to disappear, in mirror-image collapses, into their own footprints in less than one hour.
3. On October 18, 2004, an inferno gutted the top 20 floors of the 50-storey Parque Central Tower in Caracas, Venezuela. The fire burned for 17 consecutive hours, but the steel structure did not collapse.
4. By contrast, the fires burning inside of the World Trade Center buildings were textbook examples of oxygen-starved fires, visible by the dark gray smoke that emitted from both structures. Indeed, very few flames were visible at all. Furthermore, many tenants of the stricken buildings were able to walk down the emergency steps past the point of impact where the planes had struck.
5. Brian Clark, a South Tower survivor, was working in his office at Euro Brokers Inc. when, at 9:03am, United Airlines 175 crashed into the 78th Floor. Euro Brokers’ office was situated on the 84th floor, 6 storey above the impact of the jetliner. Yet Clark, together with other fellow employees, managed to escape from the South Tower, walking down the building’s inside stairwell and past the point of impact.
6.“When I looked down there, I didn’t see flames,” Clark said in an interview for the film Zero.“We decided to go as far as we could until we would be stopped by flames. When we came to the 78th floor (the point of impact), there were flames licking up the other side of the wall… It wasn’t a roaring inferno. I sensed that the flames were maybe starved for oxygen right there. We kept going, and when we got to the 74th floor… normal conditions: the lights were on, and there was fresh air coming up from below.”
7. Another indication that the WTC fires were far below the temperatures needed for a catastrophic collapse was evident by the tragic image of office workers who were filmed standing inside the gaping mouth of the airplanes’ point of entry, desperately waiting to be rescued. Indeed, much of the jet fuel that both airplanes were carrying was immediately blown out of the buildings upon impact in magnificent orange fireballs.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Your shooting blanks my friend.

Your link is an Error 404

After 12 years since September 11, 2001, you would think that the thousands of NYPD and thousands of FDNY of first responders would be screaming Conspiracy.

Not a sound is coming from them. Nothing.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288912 Jul 17, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Your shooting blanks my friend.
Your link is an Error 404
After 12 years since September 11, 2001, you would think that the thousands of NYPD and thousands of FDNY of first responders would be screaming Conspiracy.
Not a sound is coming from them. Nothing.
They have "already" fought two wars over it, how stupid would they look now demanding they be "told the truth"?

It is catch 22 situation for them....the false sense of nationalism and patriotism.

Talk logic and do not go into side issues.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288996 Jul 18, 2013
AB s wrote:
1 and 2...you are incorrect, the madrid building partially collapsed without even being hit by 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel...but then you know that and choose to ignore this obvious fact, why is that?

3...again wrong, partially collapsed and as you well know...the venezuelan tower sustained major damage because firefighting efforts were hampered by non-working automatic sprinkler and standpipe systems.

4. As an engineer that should clue you in on the fact that fire alone probably would not have taken down part or all of the WTC buildings 1 thru 7...someone with a brain should slap you upside the head and state the obvious,

5. and 6. Things that make you go DUH HUH!...As an engineer think about it for a second...the airliner that struck the North Tower struck it perpendicular to the north face, its impact severing all the elevators and all three stairwells.

7. What impact did the impact have on the failure and what impact did the impact of over 200 stories of buildings have on smaller buildings?
Ans.

1 & 2. Having "serious damage" and falling to base are two different things. It is you who is being dishonest.

3. Again you are hiding the fact, partial collapse and partial damage to columns is different from what we saw in WTC collapse.

4. And I see you are harping "too much" on buildings hit by a Jet flying at full speed.

What about WTC-7? Which jet hit it and why it had a "similar collapse"?

5. It only took 45 to 90 minutes of Fire for these towers to collapse like "Nine Pins"… even if the jets had sliced thru entire building, the bottom floors should have provided resistance?

6 and 7. So you think "whole debris" of WTC-1 and WTC-2 fell on "poor WTC-7" causing it to collapse? Do you not know that is fell in a "similar manner" after 7 or 8 hours of WTC main towers?

Your mental outlook is clear from your post, you will defend "tooth and nail" the official theory on 9/11.

As our discussion progresses, we will see how weak are your arguments.

Now I will post the next installment of the report for your comments.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288997 Jul 18, 2013
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

NIST Playing with DATA:
8. Kevin Ryan is a former engineer from Underwriters Laboratory (UL), a highly reputable company that was subcontracted to test the hypothesis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) as to how the WTC towers collapsed. Ryan and his colleagues used model replicas of the WTC towers to test the ability of the structures to remain standing in the event of a fire.
9.“We did test the floor models in August 2004,” Ryan said,“and those tests disproved the primary theory behind the collapse of the buildings.”“The floor models didn’t collapse in the tests,” Ryan said,“and these (models) were in furnaces in much hotter temperatures, for a longer period of time (as compared with the temperature and endurance of the fires on 9-11). Yet, they still did not collapse.”

10. According to Ryan, in order for NIST to get the results they were looking for, they “manipulated the test parameters. They doubled one thing, and cut something else in half. They doubled the time their computer model exposed the columns to fire – 90 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes.”
11. Eventually, NIST was forced to substitute the “pancake theory”(which wrongly hypothesized that the combined force of the upper floors began a domino effect downward) for the “inward bowing theory,” which argues that the floors and walls of the WTC buildings buckled to the point where they could no longer support the weight of the structure – an equally implausible explanation for the collapses, given the low temperatures inside the structures.
12. Ryan was fired from his job with Underwriters Laboratory one week after he challenged the results of the NIST report, the US government’s official version of the reasons for the WTC collapses.
13. It is important to remember that the WTC was specifically designed to withstand the impact of not one, but several airplanes crashing into it, as well as powerful winds that the architects understood would regularly pummel the structure.
14. The inner “core” of the World Trade Center towers, a mixture of steel and concrete that housed the elevator shafts and stairwells, can best be described as formidable. This inner supporting section, which measured an area of 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), was composed of 47 steel columns packed in cement that ran the entire length of the structures. If left untouched, the towers were constructed to “outlive the pyramids,” as one engineer told me.
“We designed the buildings to resist the impact of one or more airliners,” said Frank De Martini, WTC construction manager.

Your comments Mr. AB s?
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#289000 Jul 18, 2013
they scammed us into this war so they could remove little thing like the bill of rights
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Tamaqua, PA

#289032 Jul 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
NIST Playing with DATA:
8. Kevin Ryan is a former engineer from Underwriters Laboratory (UL), a highly reputable company that was subcontracted to test the hypothesis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) as to how the WTC towers collapsed. Ryan and his colleagues used model replicas of the WTC towers to test the ability of the structures to remain standing in the event of a fire.
9.“We did test the floor models in August 2004,” Ryan said,“and those tests disproved the primary theory behind the collapse of the buildings.”“The floor models didn’t collapse in the tests,” Ryan said,“and these (models) were in furnaces in much hotter temperatures, for a longer period of time (as compared with the temperature and endurance of the fires on 9-11). Yet, they still did not collapse.”
10. According to Ryan, in order for NIST to get the results they were looking for, they “manipulated the test parameters. They doubled one thing, and cut something else in half. They doubled the time their computer model exposed the columns to fire – 90 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes.”
11. Eventually, NIST was forced to substitute the “pancake theory”(which wrongly hypothesized that the combined force of the upper floors began a domino effect downward) for the “inward bowing theory,” which argues that the floors and walls of the WTC buildings buckled to the point where they could no longer support the weight of the structure – an equally implausible explanation for the collapses, given the low temperatures inside the structures.
12. Ryan was fired from his job with Underwriters Laboratory one week after he challenged the results of the NIST report, the US government’s official version of the reasons for the WTC collapses.
13. It is important to remember that the WTC was specifically designed to withstand the impact of not one, but several airplanes crashing into it, as well as powerful winds that the architects understood would regularly pummel the structure.
14. The inner “core” of the World Trade Center towers, a mixture of steel and concrete that housed the elevator shafts and stairwells, can best be described as formidable. This inner supporting section, which measured an area of 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), was composed of 47 steel columns packed in cement that ran the entire length of the structures. If left untouched, the towers were constructed to “outlive the pyramids,” as one engineer told me.
“We designed the buildings to resist the impact of one or more airliners,” said Frank De Martini, WTC construction manager.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Truthers are full of baloney

12. They fired from UL. Means that other engineers had more common sense
ABs

Aiken, SC

#289034 Jul 18, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? It's just like any other day to rob WalMart ...:)
Speaking of gun murders...did you know?

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the modern World.

But if you take out LA, Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C. and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom for murders. What is IRONIC IS THE FACT THAT these 5 cities also have the toughest gun control laws in the United States, multiply that by the FACT that these 5 cities are and have been for a long time all controlled by Democrats...what does that ell you about needing more gun laws? The new gun law we need is having open season of people stupid enough to think we need more laws... So francis, been making any cell phone calls or driving by any car tag reading cameras lately? Obumble the government advocate is watching and data basing you...sounds very neo-conish does it not?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#289035 Jul 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
NIST Playing with DATA:
8. Kevin Ryan is a former engineer from Underwriters Laboratory (UL), a highly reputable company that was subcontracted to test the hypothesis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) as to how the WTC towers collapsed. Ryan and his colleagues used model replicas of the WTC towers to test the ability of the structures to remain standing in the event of a fire.
9.“We did test the floor models in August 2004,” Ryan said,“and those tests disproved the primary theory behind the collapse of the buildings.”“The floor models didn’t collapse in the tests,” Ryan said,“and these (models) were in furnaces in much hotter temperatures, for a longer period of time (as compared with the temperature and endurance of the fires on 9-11). Yet, they still did not collapse.”
10. According to Ryan, in order for NIST to get the results they were looking for, they “manipulated the test parameters. They doubled one thing, and cut something else in half. They doubled the time their computer model exposed the columns to fire – 90 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes.”
11. Eventually, NIST was forced to substitute the “pancake theory”(which wrongly hypothesized that the combined force of the upper floors began a domino effect downward) for the “inward bowing theory,” which argues that the floors and walls of the WTC buildings buckled to the point where they could no longer support the weight of the structure – an equally implausible explanation for the collapses, given the low temperatures inside the structures.
12. Ryan was fired from his job with Underwriters Laboratory one week after he challenged the results of the NIST report, the US government’s official version of the reasons for the WTC collapses.
13. It is important to remember that the WTC was specifically designed to withstand the impact of not one, but several airplanes crashing into it, as well as powerful winds that the architects understood would regularly pummel the structure.
14. The inner “core” of the World Trade Center towers, a mixture of steel and concrete that housed the elevator shafts and stairwells, can best be described as formidable. This inner supporting section, which measured an area of 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), was composed of 47 steel columns packed in cement that ran the entire length of the structures. If left untouched, the towers were constructed to “outlive the pyramids,” as one engineer told me.
“We designed the buildings to resist the impact of one or more airliners,” said Frank De Martini, WTC construction manager.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
UL is reputable, Kevin Ryan was not, that is why he was fired. UL makes decisions and interpolates results based on facts, not conjecture. The approved design of the WTC complex is public record, review for yourself. As a sanitation engineer you are more qualified then chemist Kevin Ryan...BESIDES COMRDE, we had a deal and YOU BROKE IT...no reference to people with DONATE NOW WEBSITES! Please play by the same rules we agreed to, okay?

And by the way, go ahead and donate a 20 for me, I'll pay you back...
http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/WaysToGive....
ABs

Aiken, SC

#289036 Jul 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 2
...Your comments Mr. AB s?
Besides, we are suppose to interchange opinions and you have not answered any of my questions yet, is this how muslims debate? No wonder you guys are always at war, no one listens...lets try again shall we?

First question you DID NOT answer...how much manpower would be required to prep 3 to 8 buildings for demolition while concealing this from the public?

Second question you did not answer...what impact did a 800 Foot per second 30 foot diameter aluminum sphere loaded with jet fuel have on structural failure?

Third question you did not answer...how is it you can deny what is obvious yet get sucked into a cult that believes it is possible for a moon to physically split in half...but only for a moment when one of one billion people was looking skyward?
henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#289040 Jul 18, 2013
ABs wrote:
But as Commander-in-Chief, I must weigh these heartbreaking tragedies against the alternatives. To do nothing in the face of terrorist networks would invite far more civilian casualties -- not just in our cities at home and facilities abroad, but also in the very places -- like Sana'a and Kabul and Mogadishu -- where terrorists seek a foothold. Let us remember that the terrorists we are after target civilians, and the death toll from their acts of terrorism against Muslims dwarfs any estimate of civilian casualties from drone strikes.
Where foreign governments cannot or will not effectively stop terrorism in their territory, the primary alternative to targeted, lethal action is the use of conventional military options. As I've said, even small Special Operations carry enormous risks. Conventional airpower or missiles are far less precise than drones, and likely to cause more civilian casualties and local outrage. And invasions of these territories lead us to be viewed as occupying armies; unleash a torrent of unintended consequences; are difficult to contain; and ultimately empower those who thrive on violent conflict. So it is false to assert that putting boots on the ground is less likely to result in civilian deaths, or to create enemies in the Muslim world. The result would be more U.S. deaths, more Blackhawks down, more confrontations with local populations, and an inevitable mission creep in support of such raids that could easily escalate into new wars.
So yes, the conflict with al-Qaida, like all armed conflict, invites tragedy. But by narrowly targeting our action against those who want to kill us, and not the people they hide among, we are choosing the course of action least likely to result in the loss of innocent life. Indeed, our efforts must also be measured against the history of putting American troops in distant lands among hostile populations. In Vietnam, hundreds of thousands of civilians died in a war where the boundaries of battle were blurred. In Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the courage and discipline of our troops, thousands of civilians have been killed. So neither conventional military action, nor waiting for attacks to occur, offers moral safe-harbor. Neither does a sole reliance on law enforcement in territories that have no functioning police or security services -- and indeed, have no functioning law.
This is not to say that the risks are not real. Any U.S. military action in foreign lands risks creating more enemies, and impacts public opinion overseas. Our laws constrain the power of the president, even during wartime, and I have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. The very precision of drones strikes, and the necessary secrecy involved in such actions can end up shielding our government from the public scrutiny that a troop deployment invites. It can also lead a president and his team to view drone strikes as a cure-all for terrorism.
For this reason, I've insisted on strong oversight of all lethal action. After I took office, my administration began briefing all strikes outside of Iraq and Afghanistan to the appropriate committees of Congress. Let me repeat that -- not only did Congress authorize the use of force, it is briefed on every strike that America takes. That includes the one instance when we targeted an American citizen: Anwar Awlaki, the chief of external operations for AQAP.
This week, I authorized the declassification of this action, and the deaths of three other Americans in drone strikes, to facilitate transparency and debate on this issue, and to dismiss some of the more outlandish claims. For the record, I do not believe it would be constitutional for the government to target and kill any U.S. citizen -- with a drone, or a shotgun -- without due process. Nor should any president deploy armed drones over U.S. soil.
But when a U.S. citizen goes abroad to wage war against America...
Libya had a high living, it is crumbling.
henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#289041 Jul 18, 2013
Lawrence of Arabia wrote:
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more conflicts more arms sales more money!they love to make money out of the blood.
The small hords of billionairs dont care.

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