'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276626 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#289076 Jul 19, 2013
As we repeatedly focus on wealth-inequality in the US, just four hundred persons in the US have and own as much in assets and income as the bottom 50% of the rest of us. Worldwide, the richest 300 persons on Earth have more money than poorest 3 Billion! It used to be that European royalty like the Habsburg, the Medici and the Romanov and so on, had all the money while collecting taxes off their subjects wile keeping them poor and uneducated. Countless peasant revolutions and bloody wars have been fought to rid ourselves from under the yoke of the mega wealthy and inbred (Haemophilia) European royalty. Times have changed; someone came up with the concept of capitalism that actually worked quite nicely for a couple of centuries. Unfortunately, the beneficiaries of the system have re-established themselves, by passing laws and regulations that favors them as the new royalty keeping the peasants in check! Supposedly, the truth can set you free, but for today’s mega rich, deceit holds the key to money, fame, revenge and power!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#289077 Jul 19, 2013
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 3

http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...

Free-fall collapse time of the structures

15. One of the most perplexing aspects about the collapse of the WTC structures is that they tumbled to the ground in almost free-fall time. Researchers say this is a physical impossibility.
“One of the things that particularly struck me was the incredible speed in which the towers came down,” said Paolo Marini, a metallurgy researcher at the Italian Center for Materials Development.

16. There was something truly inexplicable about the speed of the collapse. If we drop a weight from a height of around 400 meters, which was the height of the towers, the time it would take to reach the ground… would take approximately 9 seconds.

“The impact (of the airliner) was about two-thirds of the way up the tower,” Marini continued.“But even if the section above collapsed suddenly due to the structure giving way, and even considering that the impact of the section above was enormous, and therefore somewhat weakened the resistance of the structure below, it’s clear that, due to the resistance of the undamaged part below, this tower should not have fallen at such a speed. But it fell as if there was nothing below it.”

17. David Chandler, a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, has created a video presentation that blows a gaping in hole in the official version of events.
18. Chandler focuses on the top 32 meters (equivalent to eight floors) of World Trade Center I, also known as the North Tower, which collapses and drops on top of the massive undamaged section below. It has been argued that the downward force of the upper section onto the lower section was what brought down the entire building into a mountain of dust and rubble.
19. Chandler tracks the rate of fall of the upper 32 meters at 64 per cent of free fall speed. In other words, once the upper structure begins to fall, the upward resistive force (that is, the undamaged section below) must be only 36 per cent of the weight of the falling section of the building, i.e. the difference in percentage (if the math seems fuzzy to some readers, you may want to find Chandler's visual models, which are easily accessible over the Internet).
20.“So far, so good,” says Chandler, who has a knack for making physics sound simple.“But… Newton’s Third Law says that interaction between objects work both ways. The forces that two objects exert on each other are always equal and opposite. If the upward force acting on the falling block is 36 percent of the weight of the falling block, the downward force exerted by the falling block must be exactly the same: 36 percent of the weight of the falling block.”

21.“In other words,” Chandlers continues,“the top section of the building is exerting less force on the lower, stronger, undamaged structure than it would if it were simply sitting motionless.”
Chandler’s scientific conclusion:“The top section of the building, whatever its condition, cannot possibly be destroying the lower section of the building. The destruction of the building must be caused by something else.”

22. To summarize: Even if we accept the official explanation that fires from the jet fuel weakened the steel girders to the point that made the upper section collapse on to the bottom section, the freefall speed that is clear for all to see cannot have happened by itself; something else must have been destroying the lower floors at the same time that the upper “block” was coming down. The force of the smaller 8-storey section of building above was not significant enough to bring down the entire North and South Towers as it allegedly did.

Your comments Mr. AB s?

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May the Force be with You .

#289078 Jul 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
911 Reasons why 9/11 was (probably) an inside job. PART-: 3
http://rt.com/Top_News/2009-09-12/911-reason-...
Free-fall collapse time of the structures
15. One of the most perplexing aspects about the collapse of the WTC structures is that they tumbled to the ground in almost free-fall time. Researchers say this is a physical impossibility.
“One of the things that particularly struck me was the incredible speed in which the towers came down,” said Paolo Marini, a metallurgy researcher at the Italian Center for Materials Development.
16. There was something truly inexplicable about the speed of the collapse. If we drop a weight from a height of around 400 meters, which was the height of the towers, the time it would take to reach the ground… would take approximately 9 seconds.

“The impact (of the airliner) was about two-thirds of the way up the tower,” Marini continued.“But even if the section above collapsed suddenly due to the structure giving way, and even considering that the impact of the section above was enormous, and therefore somewhat weakened the resistance of the structure below, it’s clear that, due to the resistance of the undamaged part below, this tower should not have fallen at such a speed. But it fell as if there was nothing below it.”
17. David Chandler, a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, has created a video presentation that blows a gaping in hole in the official version of events.
18. Chandler focuses on the top 32 meters (equivalent to eight floors) of World Trade Center I, also known as the North Tower, which collapses and drops on top of the massive undamaged section below. It has been argued that the downward force of the upper section onto the lower section was what brought down the entire building into a mountain of dust and rubble.
19. Chandler tracks the rate of fall of the upper 32 meters at 64 per cent of free fall speed. In other words, once the upper structure begins to fall, the upward resistive force (that is, the undamaged section below) must be only 36 per cent of the weight of the falling section of the building, i.e. the difference in percentage (if the math seems fuzzy to some readers, you may want to find Chandler's visual models, which are easily accessible over the Internet).
20.“So far, so good,” says Chandler, who has a knack for making physics sound simple.“But… Newton’s Third Law says that interaction between objects work both ways. The forces that two objects exert on each other are always equal and opposite. If the upward force acting on the falling block is 36 percent of the weight of the falling block, the downward force exerted by the falling block must be exactly the same: 36 percent of the weight of the falling block.”
21.“In other words,” Chandlers continues,“the top section of the building is exerting less force on the lower, stronger, undamaged structure than it would if it were simply sitting motionless.”
Chandler’s scientific conclusion:“The top section of the building, whatever its condition, cannot possibly be destroying the lower section of the building. The destruction of the building must be caused by something else.”
22. To summarize: Even if we accept the official explanation that fires from the jet fuel weakened the steel girders to the point that made the upper section collapse on to the bottom section, the freefall speed that is clear for all to see cannot have happened by itself; something else must have been destroying the lower floors at the same time that the upper “block” was coming down. The force of the smaller 8-storey section of building above was not significant enough to bring down the entire North and South Towers as it allegedly did.
Your comments Mr. AB s?
Seeing the lift wells are the cornerstone of the building supplying structural support, how was it possible for them to collapse so quickly because they are solid concrete walls from the foundations to the roof ?
henry

Wünnenberg, Germany

#289079 Jul 20, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
The Creation and Dissemination of All Forms of Information in Support
of Psychological Operations (PSYOP) in Time of Military Conflict
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA382535....
.
One have to be very careful of all forms of information
henry

Wünnenberg, Germany

#289080 Jul 20, 2013
UidiotraceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>It out out! War HAwk Down, as movie goers get the jist, on well educate Americans knows about it and even some our Dumb American, not thing new!!
our US losing trillion USD dollar for wars, US is morally and Financially bankrupted!
A wounded beast is most dangerous.
henry

Wünnenberg, Germany

#289081 Jul 20, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, He still Lives.
You live for a myth but not reality.
henry

Wünnenberg, Germany

#289082 Jul 20, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the whistle blowers Mark Klein, Russell Tice, All Americans are being spied on.
That is true.
henry

Wünnenberg, Germany

#289083 Jul 20, 2013
UidiotraceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>It out out! War HAwk Down, as movie goers get the jist, on well educate Americans knows about it and even some our Dumb American, not thing new!!
our US losing trillion USD dollar for wars, US is morally and Financially bankrupted!
Yes that is true.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#289084 Jul 20, 2013
Are All US people do is to BOAST WHAT USA has done, WHILE promoting China to be the second largest economy, without looking at the rest of the world?

US HAD DONE MORE violences and WARS to cause vast number of innocent lives ON EARTH. US had lost more soldiers than China's and Russia's for the past 50 years. TO THIS TIME, AT PRESENT, US had done badly and worse than the Russians did in Afghanistan.

US did not win World War II, but the Russians and Chinese won the wars. They were the Russians' and the Chinese's wars, but not of the US, while US got in very late in Europe. Hitler Nazis were to attack Russia and Japan invaded China when Mao stopped the internal fighting and that was why Japanese were losing with no more soldiers and to join in so were to withdraw, as it was no need to drop atomic bombs to, yet Japan would lose out.

Japan in those days as the world's second in economy with the fantastic high technology, has been the dumbest to make its sorrow today by joining US to focus on North Korea, investing too much and buying Chinese too much, yet China'S military expansion and movement have caused concerns to Japan and some others in the region (but not North Korea to India, Vietnam and others) and to the world.

Japan's biggest failure has been LACKING the proper direction as following Bush's calling Axis-OF-EVIL, BY taking on North Korea

US Ivy League graduates went to work for the CIA, yet had come up with a lot of wrong and false data and information.

BUT the nature of being infinite big mouthing by telling that this world is this and that stable and glory because of it, is purely the fallacy of self-proclaiming as of not true facts, by not viewing the destructive effects done as an International outlaw in modern times.

You people don't get it--USA is exactly tearing down freedom nowadays within a democracy in the example of hacking and spying, but not enhancing freedom and liberty rights, and how the democracy is it when majority of Americans are against NSA snooping, not to mention vast world public also feel that way more than US people?

What freedom USA has given, to whom, with what democracy?
Germany wanted more medals in Olympics and bigger production by tearing down Berlin Wall to be one democratic Germany , as you think it came from US Reagan or Kennedy to send them democracy consultant. Everybody knows how to do democracy without USA and others else,as it has been how has been done in the world.

Gorbachev wanted to get rich while Baltic states,like Estonia , etc, wanted their own cultures,so that USSR was folded up for their own making democracy of Russia, as you think it came from Reagan again.

What freedom was to Vietnam as US was a total disaster since lost more than 56,000 soldiers in Vietnam war?

What freedom and democracy were to Iraq, when today is still the disaster of every day bombing in Iraq after 11 years, generated from Bush lying about WMD to invade Iraq?

You people appear to say that People's grand-father clocks and houses they build, are coming from USA.

You keep telling third world burning villages, without mentioning USA burned more villages globally and inside too in the old time wild west chaos, and by assaulting tens of millions around the world in last 50 years.

WHILE you say the world this and that freedom and democracy are from USA as is not true, but you neglect how great damages it has done, from Vietnam to Iraq to itself.


The democracy of the world and US (would) oppose Obama as the radical Neo-extremist in his doing.

US is facing stiff competition, by just looking at the Obama health care-- being ranked AT 27 POSITION. US enhances China to this point of embarrassing itself, while US is no way it ranks among top 10 in many areas.

Either India or South Korea or JAPAN and Australia GET TOGETHER WITH CHINA, US is in no way that it can get ahead. If Russia joins in, that would be much worse for US.
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#289085 Jul 20, 2013
spocko wrote:
As we repeatedly focus on wealth-inequality in the US, just four hundred persons in the US have and own as much in assets and income as the bottom 50% of the rest of us. Worldwide, the richest 300 persons on Earth have more money than poorest 3 Billion! It used to be that European royalty like the Habsburg, the Medici and the Romanov and so on, had all the money while collecting taxes off their subjects wile keeping them poor and uneducated. Countless peasant revolutions and bloody wars have been fought to rid ourselves from under the yoke of the mega wealthy and inbred (Haemophilia) European royalty. Times have changed; someone came up with the concept of capitalism that actually worked quite nicely for a couple of centuries. Unfortunately, the beneficiaries of the system have re-established themselves, by passing laws and regulations that favors them as the new royalty keeping the peasants in check! Supposedly, the truth can set you free, but for today’s mega rich, deceit holds the key to money, fame, revenge and power!
Excellent post frank!

Wealth, Income, and Power
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/we...
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#289086 Jul 20, 2013
henry wrote:
<quoted text>.
One have to be very careful of all forms of information
WOW, how did you find one of my old posts?

Maybe you are part of NSA henry?

LOL

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA382535....
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#289087 Jul 20, 2013
henry wrote:
<quoted text>
You live for a myth but not reality.
John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#289105 Jul 20, 2013
If the constitution was written today.
The Constitution was written in a world without industrial mass production or interchangeable parts. It was a world without artificially-powered transportation or automated machines of any kind. It was a world where the means of production were distributed among the many, by necessity; hands were the only means of production, and each person only got one pair.
It was a world where healthcare that could actually save your life did not exist; “healthcare” was largely leeches and Mercury-based cures, surgery without anesthesia or antiseptics. It was a world where most people grew or hunted their own food lived next to somebody who did.
It was a world where the concept of outsourcing labor or importing goods from China en masse was absolutely ridiculous. It was a world where any contact with another continent involved several months of treacherous voyage across an ocean without the benefit of electricity or steam power. There were no flushing toilettes, no power looms, no bicycles, no electric power, no precision laths etc, etc.
There was no such thing as mass production of goods. At the time our Constitution was written, everything was hand-made. A “factory” was a place where a lot of people sat in a room and did hand work. Sewing machines didn’t exist. Neither did cotton gins.
In 1787, even the concept of interchangeable parts was foreign. When Eli Whitney first demonstrated –some fourteen years after the Constitution was written– that it was theoretically possible for unskilled laborers instead of craftsmen to assemble guns from interchangeable parts, his audience was astounded. The audience, including John Adams and then-President Thomas Jefferson, was so astounded by the concept that at first they didn’t believe it was possible.
And rightly so, it turned out: Whitney had rigged his demonstration by covertly marking certain pieces that were meant to go together. This was necessary because technology was not yet good enough in 1801 to make truly interchangeable parts... It would be another 50 years before the steam-engine replaced animal labor. That should tell you something about how late-18th century technology stacked up to ours today. Let’s think for a minute about the pre-Whitney world for which the Constitution was created.

So let’s keep this in mind when we talk about the Founding Fathers’ intentions for our country. The Constitution would doubtless be much different if the same people had written it today. The NRA, with the help of gunloons, has been beating a dead horse to an unrecognizable pulp!! Technology has made the 2nd amendment redundant. Unless one agrees to change the 2nd amendment that will give every man and woman access to the latest in cutting-edge weaponry of mass-destruction.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#289106 Jul 21, 2013
NT wrote:
Seeing the lift wells are the cornerstone of the building supplying structural support, how was it possible for them to collapse so quickly because they are solid concrete walls from the foundations to the roof ?
Ans.

You do not know that WTC buildings were made of steel columns and bars?

Then outer panels were fit, to give it a Multistory look.

It was not made of RCC, that is why the collapse of those Massive Steel columns is the more amazing.

How a jet strike and fuel related fire for 60-90 minutes,“melted” those massive steel columns?

This is the “truth” which NIST and official agencies are trying to avoid.

They just point fingers at “video footage”…saying we do not know how it happened, but it did happen as the video shows!!

They should have been “first” to investigate it fully, so that same thing does not happen to other buildings.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#289107 Jul 21, 2013
Mr. AB s have you "No Comment on my last post"? Should I proceed with next page?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#289108 Jul 21, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Was not the God' love a "Li'le" late? What about generations from Adam to the Son of God? Did not God love them?
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#289110 Jul 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Was not the God' love a "Li'le" late? What about generations from Adam to the Son of God? Did not God love them?
100% correct and TRUE!

God saved them also!

God is never late and never wrong!

Salvation was in God's plan from the beginning!

frank

Oakland, CA

#289150 Jul 21, 2013
spocko wrote:
If the constitution was written today.
The Constitution was written in a world without industrial mass production or interchangeable parts. It was a world without artificially-powered transportation or automated machines of any kind. It was a world where the means of production were distributed among the many, by necessity; hands were the only means of production, and each person only got one pair.
It was a world where healthcare that could actually save your life did not exist; “healthcare” was largely leeches and Mercury-based cures, surgery without anesthesia or antiseptics. It was a world where most people grew or hunted their own food lived next to somebody who did.
It was a world where the concept of outsourcing labor or importing goods from China en masse was absolutely ridiculous. It was a world where any contact with another continent involved several months of treacherous voyage across an ocean without the benefit of electricity or steam power. There were no flushing toilettes, no power looms, no bicycles, no electric power, no precision laths etc, etc.
There was no such thing as mass production of goods. At the time our Constitution was written, everything was hand-made. A “factory” was a place where a lot of people sat in a room and did hand work. Sewing machines didn’t exist. Neither did cotton gins.
In 1787, even the concept of interchangeable parts was foreign. When Eli Whitney first demonstrated –some fourteen years after the Constitution was written– that it was theoretically possible for unskilled laborers instead of craftsmen to assemble guns from interchangeable parts, his audience was astounded. The audience, including John Adams and then-President Thomas Jefferson, was so astounded by the concept that at first they didn’t believe it was possible.
And rightly so, it turned out: Whitney had rigged his demonstration by covertly marking certain pieces that were meant to go together. This was necessary because technology was not yet good enough in 1801 to make truly interchangeable parts... It would be another 50 years before the steam-engine replaced animal labor. That should tell you something about how late-18th century technology stacked up to ours today. Let’s think for a minute about the pre-Whitney world for which the Constitution was created.
So let’s keep this in mind when we talk about the Founding Fathers’ intentions for our country. The Constitution would doubtless be much different if the same people had written it today. The NRA, with the help of gunloons, has been beating a dead horse to an unrecognizable pulp!! Technology has made the 2nd amendment redundant. Unless one agrees to change the 2nd amendment that will give every man and woman access to the latest in cutting-edge weaponry of mass-destruction.
The principles enshrined in the Constitution do not change over time. But the application of those principles must evolve as society changes and as experience informs our understanding.
I.e. as technological means of surveillance became more sophisticated, for example, the meaning of “search” in the Fourth Amendment came to include invasions of privacy that do not involve a physical trespass. Equally, as fire arms technology changes the meaning of “to bear arms” takes on a whole new dimension. Constitutional interpretation is not a mechanical enterprise. It calls upon the public and the courts to consider text, history, precedent, values, changing social, economic, technological, and cultural conditions, and the practical realities of the times.
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#289152 Jul 21, 2013
Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.

If they did, they would have impeached:

LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.

Nixon for Watergate.

Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.

Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#289153 Jul 21, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
100% correct and TRUE!
God saved them also!
God is never late and never wrong!
Salvation was in God's plan from the beginning!
How did God save them?

By toiling hard?

Was not God partial towards Post jesus and Pre Jesus humans?

PS:

I do not say "believers"? Humans!!

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