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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288699 Jul 3, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

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Boston Strong’: Marching in Lockstep with the Police State

By John W. Whitehead (Contd.)

Don’t look the other way and tell me that you signed a petition or voted for John Kerry or whatever. The fact is that whatever dignified private opinions you and I may hold, we did not do enough to stop it, and our constitutional rights are now deemed to be partial or provisional rather than absolute, do not necessarily apply to everyone, and can be revoked by the government at any time.

Particularly disheartening is the fact that Americans, consumed with the need for vengeance, seem even less concerned about protecting the rights of others, especially if those “others” happen to be of a different skin color or nationality. The public response to the manhunt, capture and subsequent treatment of brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is merely the latest example of America’s xenophobic mindset, which was also a driving force behind the roundup and detention of hundreds of Arab, South Asian and Muslim men following 9/11, internment camps that housed more than 18,000 people of Japanese ancestry during World War II, and the arrest and deportation of thousands of “radical” noncitizens during America’s first Red Scare.

Moreover, there has been little outcry over the Obama administration’s decision to deny 19-year-old U.S. citizen Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his due process rights and treat him as an enemy combatant, first off by interrogating him without reading him his Miranda rights (“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law...”).

Presently, under the public safety exception to the Miranda rule, if law enforcement agents believe a suspect has information that might reduce a substantial threat, they can wait to give the Miranda warning. For years now, however, the Obama administration has been lobbying to see this exception extended to all cases involving so-called terror suspects, including American citizens. Tsarnaev’s case may prove to be the game-changer. Yet as journalist Emily Bazelon points out for Slate:“Why should I care that no one’s reading Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his Miranda rights? When the law gets bent out of shape for him, it’s easier to bend out of shape for the rest of us.”

The U.S. Supreme Court rightly recognized in its 1966 ruling in Miranda v. Arizona that police officers must advise a suspect of his/her civil rights once the suspect has been taken into custody, because the police can and often do take advantage of the fact that most Americans don’t know their rights. There have been few exceptions to the Miranda rule over the last 40 years or so, and with good reason. However, if the Obama administration is allowed to scale back the Miranda rule, especially as it applies to U.S. citizens, it would be yet another dangerous expansion of government power at the expense of citizens’ civil rights.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288700 Jul 4, 2013
AB s wrote:
I understand what your argument is and I am trying real hard to be politically correct and not call you an ignorant fool. Alas, I see that it is indeed true, you cannot teach stupid and you can only kill hatred...

Let me try it this way comrade...the whole mission would only be in danger if anyone OTHER THAN the hijackers knew beforehand that the intent was to ram planes into buildings...the clear the air order came AFTER the second plane smashed into the pentagon...got it? The first thought of most everyone that heard about the first WTC tower crash (definitely my first thought) was it was probably an accident...

FACTS: At the FAA's command center, managers can think of only one way to stop them. Minutes after another jet smashes this time into the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m., the managers issue an unprecedented order to the nation's air traffic controllers:

Empty the skies.

Land every flight.

Fast...

Ans.

No my friend, you are closing your eyes to the "critical reasoning" in my post.

If ANY of the hijacking were reported, the WHOLE plan would have failed.

A plane hijacking becomes an International News and every one connected with aviation industry goes on alert.

Even if a single hijacking was reported, there would be a general alert and since it took more than 60-90 minutes for planes to change the course and hit their targets, the whole mission would have failed.

You are "purposely" closing your eyes to this and trying to "confuse" the issue.

Why OBL and KSM would be disappointed? According to you their mission was accomplished, was it not?

Do you think there more hijackers in grounded planes? Vow, Vow?

PS:

And I can see your eagerness to change the topic, but I will ignore it.
ABs

Decatur, GA

#288701 Jul 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
No my friend, you are closing your eyes to the "critical reasoning" in my post.
If ANY of the hijacking were reported, the WHOLE plan would have failed.
A plane hijacking becomes an International News and every one connected with aviation industry goes on alert.
Even if a single hijacking was reported, there would be a general alert and since it took more than 60-90 minutes for planes to change the course and hit their targets, the whole mission would have failed.
You are "purposely" closing your eyes to this and trying to "confuse" the issue.
Why OBL and KSM would be disappointed? According to you their mission was accomplished, was it not?
Do you think there more hijackers in grounded planes? Vow, Vow?
PS:
And I can see your eagerness to change the topic, but I will ignore it.
We agree to disagree...the whole mission would only be in danger if anyone OTHER THAN the hijackers knew beforehand that the intent was to ram planes into buildings...the clear the air order came AFTER the second plane smashed into the pentagon...end of this phase, next question? And why King ABsDullah allow only 5 minutes of internet? Do you wihs you could live free sometimes?
Opensecrets org

Oakdale, NY

#288702 Jul 4, 2013
CIA Warned Of U.S. Attack In '95
Said Islamic Extremists Could Strike Targets In NYC, Washington
April 16, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/2huu2
Six years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the CIA warned in a classified report that Islamic extremists likely would strike on U.S. soil at landmarks in Washington or New York, or through the airline industry, according to intelligence officials.

Though hauntingly prescient, the CIA's 1995 National Intelligence Estimate did not yet name Osama bin Laden as a terrorist threat.

But within months the intelligence agency developed enough concern about the wealthy, Saudi-born militant to create a specific unit to track him and his followers, the officials told The Associated Press.

And in 1997, the CIA updated its intelligence estimate to ensure bin Laden appeared on its very first page as an emerging threat, cautioning that his growing movement might translate into attacks on U.S. soil, the officials said, divulging new details about the CIA's 1990s response to the terrorist threat.

The officials took the rare step Thursday of disclosing information in the closely held National Intelligence Estimates and other secret briefings to counter criticisms in a staff report released this week by the independent commission examining pre-Sept. 11 intelligence failures.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/21/ter...
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288704 Jul 5, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
We agree to disagree...the whole mission would only be in danger if anyone OTHER THAN the hijackers knew beforehand that the intent was to ram planes into buildings...the clear the air order came AFTER the second plane smashed into the pentagon...end of this phase, next question? And why King ABsDullah allow only 5 minutes of internet? Do you wihs you could live free sometimes?
Now, I will ask another question in the same series.

Q. Why there was time gap between strikes? Usually in a planned coordinated attacks, there is very little time given between different strikes.

But we find there was sufficient time gap between one strike and another strike. How come?

How the Hijackers were sure that authorities would be in a state of sock and would not take any corrective measures?
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Tamaqua, PA

#288706 Jul 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, I will ask another question in the same series.
Q. Why there was time gap between strikes? Usually in a planned coordinated attacks, there is very little time given between different strikes.
But we find there was sufficient time gap between one strike and another strike. How come?
How the Hijackers were sure that authorities would be in a state of sock and would not take any corrective measures?
Don't you think it would be an overreaction to kill civilians on an airliner? So the military didn't kill the civilians the terrorists killed them. Killing civilians is a terrible thing over there in the Middle East.

The terrorists did a terrible thing. They killed civilians.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Tamaqua, PA

#288707 Jul 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, I will ask another question in the same series.
Q. Why there was time gap between strikes? Usually in a planned coordinated attacks, there is very little time given between different strikes.
But we find there was sufficient time gap between one strike and another strike. How come?
How the Hijackers were sure that authorities would be in a state of sock and would not take any corrective measures?
Don't know why you would want to defend KSM and Company. They are the worst of the worst.
ABs

Decatur, GA

#288709 Jul 5, 2013
Today's Obumble international relations moment, South America says scru u...

Time does not appear to be healing what ails Bolivia. Its leader remains as furious as ever over this week's plane incident, and now President Evo Morales' ire has been joined by that of five of South America's leaders. The presidents of Argentina, Ecuador, Suriname, Venezuela, and Uruguay joined Morales in the Bolivian city of Cochabamba late yesterday to address the diplomatic row. Morales again placed the blame at the feet of the US, who he says pressured European countries to deny his plane entry to their airspace due to the belief that Edward Snowden was aboard. His most attention-grabbing quote, by way of the AP:
"United we will defeat American imperialism. We met with the leaders of my party and they asked us for several measures and if necessary, we will close the embassy of the United States. We do not need the embassy of the United States."

After seeing the wonderful job obumble and company have done on repairing relations with the muslim world, nice to see him turning his talents to mending fences with our southern neighbors...change you can count on indeedy...eh frankeh?
ABs

Decatur, GA

#288710 Jul 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, I will ask another question in the same series.
Q. Why there was time gap between strikes? Usually in a planned coordinated attacks, there is very little time given between different strikes.
But we find there was sufficient time gap between one strike and another strike. How come?
How the Hijackers were sure that authorities would be in a state of sock and would not take any corrective measures?
Things that make say...you can't fix stupid and you can't cure muslim hatred...

Look at these timelines and see if you can figure out why they didn't hit at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME...please show me that your daddy did not waste his hard earned rubles on your education, money that would have probably been better spent on your higher IQ'd sister if it weren't for Islamic oppression...

American Airlines Flight 11: Left Boston's Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of 11 and 76 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m.
United Airlines Flight 175: Left Logan Airport at 8:14 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of nine and 51 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the South Tower of the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m.
American Airlines Flight 77: Left Washington Dulles International Airport in Virginia at 8:20 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of six and 53 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m.
United Airlines Flight 93: Left Newark International Airport at 8:42 a.m. enroute to San Francisco, with a crew of seven and 33 passengers, not including four hijackers. As passengers attempted to subdue the hijackers, the aircraft crashed into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10:03 a.m.

Media coverage was intense during the attacks and aftermath, beginning moments after the first crash into the World Trade Center
Events:
At 8:46 a.m., five hijackers crashed American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center's North Tower (1 WTC), and at 9:03 a.m., another five hijackers crashed United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower (2 WTC). Five hijackers flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. A fourth flight, United Airlines Flight 93, under the control of four hijackers, crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh, at 10:03 a.m.

Now MUQ, you are a bright sanitation engineer...perhaps you are smart enough to figure out that the absence of 1 of your muslim brothers on Flight93 probably cost them control of that plane...such a shame...rumor had it that plane was going to take out congress...or at the very least the lawyers and wall streets bought and paid for supreme court
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288713 Jul 5, 2013

News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Boston Strong’: Marching in Lockstep with the Police State

By John W. Whitehead (Contd.)

This continual undermining of the rules that protect civil liberties, not to mention the incessant rush to judgment by politicians, members of the media and the public, will inevitably have far-reaching consequences on a populace that not only remains ignorant about their rights but is inclined to sacrifice their liberties for phantom promises of safety.

Moments after taking Tsarnaev into custody, the Boston Police Dept. tweeted “CAPTURED!!! The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won.” Yet with Tsarnaev and his brother having been charged, tried and convicted by the government, the media and the police—all without ever having stepped foot inside a courtroom—it remains to be seen whether justice has indeed won.

The lesson for the rest of us is this: once a free people allows the government to make inroads into their freedoms or uses those same freedoms as bargaining chips for security, it quickly becomes a slippery slope to outright tyranny. And it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican at the helm, because the bureaucratic mindset on both sides of the aisle now seems to embody the same philosophy of authoritarian government.

Increasingly, those on the left who once hailed Barack Obama as the antidote for restoring the numerous civil liberties that were lost or undermined as a result of Bush-era policies are finding themselves forced to acknowledge that threats to civil liberties are worse under Obama.

Clearly, the outlook for civil liberties under Obama grows bleaker by the day, from his embrace of indefinite detention for U.S. citizens and drone kill lists to warrantless surveillance of phone, email and internet communications, and prosecutions of government whistleblowers. Most recently, capitalizing on the nation’s heightened emotions, confusion and fear, government officials used the Boston Marathon tragedy as a means of extending the reach of the police state, starting with the House of Representatives’ overwhelming passage of the controversial Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which opens the door to greater internet surveillance by the government.

These troubling developments are the outward manifestations of an inner, philosophical shift underway in how the government views not only the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but “we the people,” as well. What this reflects is a move away from a government bound by the rule of law to one that seeks total control through the imposition of its own self-serving laws on the populace.

All the while, the American people remain largely oblivious to the looming threats to their freedoms, eager to be persuaded that the government can solve the problems that plague us—whether it be terrorism, an economic depression, an environmental disaster or even a flu epidemic. Yet having bought into the false notion that the government can ensure not only our safety but our happiness and will take care of us from cradle to grave—that is, from daycare centers to nursing homes, we have in actuality allowed ourselves to be bridled and turned into slaves at the bidding of a government that cares little for our freedoms or our happiness.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288714 Jul 5, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you think it would be an overreaction to kill civilians on an airliner? So the military didn't kill the civilians the terrorists killed them. Killing civilians is a terrible thing over there in the Middle East.
The terrorists did a terrible thing. They killed civilians.
We are investigating who are the terrorists.

And you gave your judgment without even hearing the arguments.

There are the Bozos that rule USA these days.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Tamaqua, PA

#288715 Jul 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
We are investigating who are the terrorists.
And you gave your judgment without even hearing the arguments.
There are the Bozos that rule USA these days.
Thank Goodness for George Bush
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#288717 Jul 6, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Thank Goodness for George Bush
NSA Whistleblower: Everyone in US under virtual surveillance, all info stored, no matter the post
William Binney, whistleblower and former NSA crypto-mathematician who served in the agency for decades./ Dec 2, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/blqrtfs
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Hollywood, FL

#288721 Jul 6, 2013
I think they did good. Most NSA are former servicemen that are just doing a job. Don't know where they got this Snowden guy
spocko

Oakland, CA

#288722 Jul 6, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
NSA Whistleblower: Everyone in US under virtual surveillance, all info stored, no matter the post
William Binney, whistleblower and former NSA crypto-mathematician who served in the agency for decades./ Dec 2, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/blqrtfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TuET0kpHoyMXX
The privacy thing has been solved a long time ago – there is no more privacy not in our high-tech world of living our lives on-line. You want to hide your private life – no computer, no phone, no banking, cash only and move into your new cardboard home under the freeway :/
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288724 Jul 6, 2013
AB s wrote:
Things that make say...you can't fix stupid and you can't cure muslim hatred...

Look at these timelines and see if you can figure out why they didn't hit at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME...please show me that your daddy did not waste his hard earned rubles on your education, money that would have probably been better spent on your higher IQ'd sister if it weren't for Islamic oppression...

American Airlines Flight 11: Left Boston's Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of 11 and 76 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m.

01. United Airlines Flight 175: Left Logan Airport at 8:14 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of nine and 51 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the South Tower of the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m.

02. American Airlines Flight 77: Left Washington Dulles International Airport in Virginia at 8:20 a.m. enroute to Los Angeles with a crew of six and 53 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m.

03. United Airlines Flight 93: Left Newark International Airport at 8:42 a.m. enroute to San Francisco, with a crew of seven and 33 passengers, not including four hijackers. As passengers attempted to subdue the hijackers, the aircraft crashed into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10:03 a.m.

Media coverage was intense during the attacks and aftermath, beginning moments after the first crash into the World Trade Center

Events:

At 8:46 a.m., five hijackers crashed American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center's North Tower (1 WTC), and at 9:03 a.m., another five hijackers crashed United Airlines Flight 175 into the South Tower (2 WTC). F

Ans.

Just giving this time line “dooms you” and not me.

1. Just look at Number of Crew Members in all four flights:

11 + 6 + 9 + 6 = 32 and they had only 19 so called Hijackers!! What sort of Crew members you have on these flights. All of them went down, without raising ANY alarm!!

ONLY the “passengers” of flight 93 “fought back” and sacrificed their lives to save “another land mark” of USA.

While “every second passenger” was calling their near and dear ones, the “Brave Crews members” of all four airlines were maintaining “total Radio silence”.

What does it speaks of your “Heroic Crew members on all those four flights”?

2. When the second plane crashed at 9-03 into WTC in “full glare” of every TV camera (and every one knew that planes were being used for terrorist attacks), the flight that crashed into Pentagon was still “34 Minutes” away from the target, what those people at Pentagon were doing? Acting as shell shocked? Even though it was clear that Planes are being used as “WMD”?

3. And the UA flight 93 had “Just taken off” when the “first plane” crashed into WTC.

Any well planned terrorist attack, will not give, 60-90 minutes between first and last strike, that too in mainland USA which is equipped with “Most sophisticated Radar and Information system”.

It shows that “every one in USA” was sleeping with their pants down between 8-10 AM on Monday morning Sept. 9, 2001!!

You did not answer my questions, it would be as if “One Russian Missile hit USA at 8-46, and another at 9-03 and another at 9-37 and another at 10-03, and US army and Airforce were “gaping with their mouths open”.

And what more, not a single one was “punished for dereliction of duty”.

It paints a very sorry figure of USA and its preparedness on the eve of 9/11, 2001!!

PS:

The more you are trying to “rationalize”, events of 9/11, the “more you are sucked into hilarious situation”!!

I feel such a pity on you!!

Why not try to look at it from an unbiased eye for a change!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#288725 Jul 6, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Thank Goodness for George Bush
What a shame he was not made President for Life (USA 's life, not his life) for USA?

May be they bury you with him in the same (unmarked) grave (with a shoe as the only sign that some great personality is buried there)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#288726 Jul 6, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

US Envoy to UN Says Defending Israel Large Part of Her Job
Susan Rice calls safeguarding Israel’s security and legitimacy ‘crucial work’
By Times Of Israel

April 23, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -"Times Of Israel" - WASHINGTON (JTA)— Susan Rice said a major part of her work as US ambassador to the United Nations is defending Israel’s legitimacy.

“It’s a huge part of my work to the United Nations,” Rice said Sunday evening, launching this year’s Consultation on Conscience, an event for Reform movement social activists organized by the Religious Action Center.

She likened the volume of work to her efforts to coordinate Syria’s isolation and to contain violence and abuses in Sudan.

She said she often works in “lockstep” with the Israeli delegation.

“We will not rest in the crucial work of defending Israel’s security and legitimacy every day at the United Nations,” Rice said.

She said Israel’s success at the United Nations often is not reported, for instance in joining the boards of the UN Development Program and UNICEF, and in advancing development initiatives.

Rice also discussed the US role in brokering the birth of South Sudan and in monitoring continuing abuses in Sudan, and in attempting to rally other nations to isolate the Assad regime in Syria as a means of stemming the carnage in that country.

The Consultation on Conscience features workshops on social action and meetings with government figures.

In addition to Rice, this year’s attendees heard from Gene Sperling, director of the National Economic Council, and will meet Tuesday with top Republican and Democratic lawmakers in Congress.

Featured topics this year include combating genocide, immigration reform, rights of workers and gay rights.
John Paul Jones

United States

#288727 Jul 6, 2013
Fidel Castro once claimed the taking of the United States without firing a shot.....so his commie compadres set the pipeline of drugs flowing, liberals will see to it that the division of of our country will continue with the millions of spoon fed mooks basking within their paranoia and cowardness sustainded by their heavily medicated liberals or a must needed trust fund.

This country is going to hell in a handbasket.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Hollywood, FL

#288728 Jul 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What a shame he was not made President for Life (USA 's life, not his life) for USA?
May be they bury you with him in the same (unmarked) grave (with a shoe as the only sign that some great personality is buried there)
raised 500 million dollars in private funds for his Presidential library. In time he'll be buried with honor.

Proud that he was able to duck any shoe thrower

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