'The War Is Not Over'

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#287691 May 6, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Things heating up between Syria and Israel, comrade...how do you see that playing out?
Just wait and watch.

Israel has "all the support" from All the world's Superpowers.

They have single out Syria alone because no neighbor is strong enough to help Syria.

So the odds are in their favours.

But

If the Syrians do not call for cease fire and continue this fight till either they all die or all Isreali die....there are MORE chances that Isreal will loose.

A country which could not "exterminate and defeat" HAMAS and HIZBOLLAH, how it can defeat Syrian army.

Other nations should wait and watch the outcome and let there be no cease fire and / or intervention, till the issues are settled once and for all.

And THIS time, It is Isreal who has been the aggressor, so they cannot play the "sympathy card" any more!!
henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#287693 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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If that is the case, why did the US have to play catch up in the race to nuclear weapons? And had the russkies or the z-crosses won the race, where would we be at now?
Now we have some 500 Nuclear AKWs and Fukushima does not be the last AKW accident in a nuclear Installation. Radiation you know is a silent but efficient killer. It does not hold on national boundaries. For instance cancer is a product of this Radiation. The mainstream press is Holding back with News about that where ever possible.
henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#287694 May 7, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Nothing more than hysterics and grandstanding - what a bunch of troglodytes! We have a constitution and laws in this country and there are very specific processes that go along with it.
Yes the "specific processes" not only in this Country are a small group of billionairs which determind really what is going on! For them "constitution and laws" are of no importance at all.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287695 May 7, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>One is Act or war AND OTHER is natural cause. US hAARP on Japan , as some professional critics even pronounce it get Japanese to rely on US oil export. We all know about communism! but captalistic model can be used for good and evil/bad? If you be so kind to talk about bad side of Capitalistic model , or are you prejudiced?
The only bad side I see is greed and corruption...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287696 May 7, 2013
henry wrote:
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Now we have some 500 Nuclear AKWs and Fukushima does not be the last AKW accident in a nuclear Installation. Radiation you know is a silent but efficient killer. It does not hold on national boundaries. For instance cancer is a product of this Radiation. The mainstream press is Holding back with News about that where ever possible.
But radiation is and has always been present, ever before the dawn of the nuclear age...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287697 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Just wait and watch.
Israel has "all the support" from All the world's Superpowers.
They have single out Syria alone because no neighbor is strong enough to help Syria.
So the odds are in their favours.
But
If the Syrians do not call for cease fire and continue this fight till either they all die or all Isreali die....there are MORE chances that Isreal will loose.
A country which could not "exterminate and defeat" HAMAS and HIZBOLLAH, how it can defeat Syrian army.
Other nations should wait and watch the outcome and let there be no cease fire and / or intervention, till the issues are settled once and for all.
And THIS time, It is Isreal who has been the aggressor, so they cannot play the "sympathy card" any more!!
And once again you glaze over the obvious, with nuclear weapons at their disposal Israel all of Israeli will not die...or lose...why do you think Iran is so thirsty for a nuke? It is obvious, to assure mutual destruction...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287698 May 7, 2013
News you not hear on IRNA or SMART TV...muslims killing muslims who don't pay for "protection"...

A bomb tore through an election rally in Pakistan's tribal belt yesterday, killing at least 20 people and wounding dozens more in the deadliest incident yet in the violence-plagued run-up to this Saturday's election.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the blast, but while other attacks have targeted liberal, secular parties, this one hit the Islamist party Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, which has close links to the Taliban, the New York Times reports.

The Taliban says it targeted the candidate's rally because he had betrayed Arab jihadists, but government officials say they believe the Taliban is charging candidates protection money and attacking those who refuse to pay up.

So what is worse in the eyes of Allah, comrade MUQ? Betraying the muslim call to violent jihad or not paying jizya?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (9:29)- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Bukhari (53:386)- The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287699 May 7, 2013
According to the esteemed historian Ibn Kathir, Muhammad established the jizya as a means of compensating the "converted" Meccans for their loss of revenue following the total ban of other religions from the Kaaba. This ended the centuries-old tradition of pilgrimages by people of all faiths during the holy months, on which the local economy depended:

Allah, most high, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred mosque. On that,[Muhammad's home tribe of]Quraysh thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, most high, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until the embrace Islam or pay the jizya. Ibn Katheir, The Battles of the Prophet, p. 183-184


This practice enabled Muhammad and his successors to fund Islamic military expansion and the lifestyle of the religious class through extortion from non-believers. In 630, the prophet of Islam first marched an army into Christian lands in what came to be known as the "Battle of Tabuk." In fact, there was no battle because there was no opposing army. The residents were taken by surprise. Some were killed, and the survivors were forced to pay protection money to Muhammad.(Clearly abrogating the previous rule of "no compulsion in religion" that contemporary apologists are so fond of repeating).


Only eleven years after Muhammad's death, his companions swept through North Africa, putting to the sword those who would not submit to Islamic rule. In 643, Tripoli was conquered and the native Christian Berbers were forced to give their wives and children to the Muslims as slaves to satisfy the jizya.

This lucrative extortion racket was practiced down through the centuries and was a part of the brutal Ottoman rule over Christians, Jews and others. The Serbs of Europe were particularly hard hit and often had to hand over their children to satisfy the collector. The children were then converted to Islam and trained as Jihad warriors for use in foreign campaigns (the so-called Janissaries).

In India, well into the 17th century, Muslim tax collectors would also take the wives and children of impoverished Hindus and sell them into slavery for the jizya requirement. The only way for many to avoid losing their families was to convert to Islam. This tremendous discrimination is how Islam made inroads into populations that wanted nothing to do with it.

Technically, there is no such thing in Islam as an innocent non-Muslim, which makes those ballyhooed condemnations of "terror against innocent people" even more useless. There is a basis for protecting the "People of the Book" (originally Jews and Christians, but later extended to Hindus when Muslim leaders realized that killing them was not as profitable as taxing them). These would be those who place themselves completely under the rule of Muslims, relinquishing all rights and agreeing to finance the Muslim expansion. Unfortunately, even this has not been enough to spare religious minorities from extreme persecution and massacre...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287700 May 7, 2013
News you not hear on IRNA or Smart TV cont'd:
Traditionally the collection of the jizya occurs at a ceremony that is designed to emphasize the subordinate status of the non-Muslim, where the subject is often struck in a humiliating fashion. M.A. Khan recounts that some Islamic clerics encouraged tax collectors to spit into the mouths of Hindu dhimmis during the process. He also quotes the popular Sufi teacher, Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi:

"The honor of Islam lies in insulting the unbelief and the unbelievers (kafirs). One who respects kafirs dishonors Muslims... The real purpose of levying the Jizya on them is to humiliate them...[and] they remain terrified and trembling." Islamic Jihad

British preacher, Anjem Choudary, points out that "the normal situation is for [Muslims] to take money from the kuffar" (at the time, he was encouraging believers in the UK to quit working and live on public benefits). The Qur'an also affirms that the collection of jizya is is the ideal relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims. The verse mandating this (9:5) occurs much later than the verse stating that there is "no compulsion in religion" (2:256), meaning that it takes precedence and abrogates the earlier verse. This is why Islamic purists such as Hamas and the Taliban wish to reinstate the jizya.

An Egyptian cleric on al-Hafaz TV said in 2013 that American foreign aid to that country was a form of jizya "owed" to them. He believed that Muslims should demand more money from the Americans so that, in his words, "we can leave them alone." Only when the jizya is paid will America "be allowed to to recognize its own interests, the ones we agree to."

Contemporary Muslim apologists frequently tout the earlier "no compulsion in religion" verse when attempting to portray Islam as peaceful, and are somewhat reluctant to admit that the jizya is a penalty for not being Muslim. They usually fall back on claiming that the jizya is merely a tax paid to the government - glossing over the fact that this "tax" was imposed on the basis of religious status and was nearly always a much greater burden than that required of Muslim citizens. The interesting thing about this rhetorical strategy is that it directly contradicts any pretense that Islam is merely a religion and not a political system.

Tolerance in Islam isn't free. The jizya is money paid by non-Muslims so that they can keep practicing their religion. Under Islamic law, if the money is not paid, the people are to be killed or enslaved.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#287701 May 7, 2013
spocko wrote:
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Huh the hell are you rambling about?
Let me slow it down for you pops.....if it is a felony for a felon to be in possession of a firearm that must mean there is a LAW against felons possessing firearms, correct? If there is a LAW against felons possessing firearms, how can it be that a felon has a firearm??? Perhaps more useless lwas will help???
henry

Altengottern, Germany

#287702 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Hank, we have all ready discussed that...atheism is a religion which you have stated all religions are false therefore atheisnm is false making what you say false as well...got it?
Atheism is of course no Religion at all!
henry

Altengottern, Germany

#287704 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Was Karl the older or younger brother of Groucho? I get them mixed up...
Don`t worry Fukushima was not the last nuclear big accident. So you don`t have to bother who is who!
henry

Altengottern, Germany

#287705 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Things heating up between Syria and Israel, comrade...how do you see that playing out?
Well Israel has an unknown number of atombombs. Syria not!
henry

Altengottern, Germany

#287706 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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But radiation is and has always been present, ever before the dawn of the nuclear age...
Yes, but what about the Radiation while nuclear accidents??
spocko

Oakland, CA

#287707 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Let me slow it down for you pops.....if it is a felony for a felon to be in possession of a firearm that must mean there is a LAW against felons possessing firearms, correct? If there is a LAW against felons possessing firearms, how can it be that a felon has a firearm??? Perhaps more useless lwas will help???
Huh the hell are you rambling about?
If laws could make things disappear we'd surely pass one to eliminate stupidity which, I'm afraid, would be the end of you :-)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#287708 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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And once again you glaze over the obvious, with nuclear weapons at their disposal Israel all of Israeli will not die...or lose...why do you think Iran is so thirsty for a nuke? It is obvious, to assure mutual destruction...
How come USSR "died" with so many nukes at her disposal?

Who told you that Nukes will provide "immortality" to ANY NATION?

It is standing up to truth and do justice on the land, that provides longevity to any nation, not its arms, armies, nukes of acting like a bully.!!!

Learn from the history of human nations of the past.
henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#287709 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Was Karl the older or younger brother of Groucho? I get them mixed up...
I think you get something mixed!
henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#287710 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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But radiation is and has always been present, ever before the dawn of the nuclear age...
Well, tell that in Tshernobyl and some other places!
henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#287712 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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But radiation is and has always been present, ever before the dawn of the nuclear age...
So Tchernobyl and other places are apparently only phantoms?
henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#287713 May 7, 2013
ABs wrote:
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Please provide an example of where communism has worked and bettered society...if you can.
Why should I, Texas is far away. You go along with death sentences as Long as you can before the next nuclear Inferno.(Irony)

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