'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

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#286958 Mar 12, 2013
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West Sayville, NY

#286961 Mar 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your testimony, I would keep it as a record during my "investigation" by CIA / FBI.
I am an Indian Engineer working in KSA for many years.
"No country" is safe from drones....they could always land in KSA instead of Yemen.
It would be a human error after all, what difference does it makes a few hundred miles (calculated in light years of course!!).
Did we not have similar "drones gone astray" incidents before?
Thanks any way for your "positive image" of me. I am much obliged.
Your very welcome MUQ. You also have a good sense of humor.

My testimony is not worth much, but good luck anyway. LOL

I know most Muslims are good and law abiding citizens.

It is true no country is safe from drones, BUT, USA works closely with countries like SA and India for example, so a phone call would suffice.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#286962 Mar 13, 2013
mook wrote:
part 2
And what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today. He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel. His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare.
I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.
Dislike for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their constantly playing the race card.
I could go on, but let me conclude with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for their color.
As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader. He is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood... Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies, intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed.”
just driving by! mook
It has been a very long time since we heard from you mook.

When did "They" let you out? LOL

Welcome back.

BTW: Obama is a corporate hack loser just like Bush and Cheney.

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ABs

Decatur, GA

#286964 Mar 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your testimony, I would keep it as a record during my "investigation" by CIA / FBI.
I am an Indian Engineer working in KSA for many years.
"No country" is safe from drones....they could always land in KSA instead of Yemen.
It would be a human error after all, what difference does it makes a few hundred miles (calculated in light years of course!!).
Did we not have similar "drones gone astray" incidents before?
Thanks any way for your "positive image" of me. I am much obliged.
Heck comrade MUQ old friend, we all have a positive image of you, don't you know?

I am curious of something, were you born into islam or where you a convert?
ABs

Decatur, GA

#286965 Mar 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What about "images of Palestinians celebrating in the streets on the eve of 9/11"?
Those images were "widely distributed on the world media"....and they were fakes taken from some times earlier.
Why make so much fuss about it?
So what you trying to imply comrade? Does one immoral reprehensible act justify another? If jews deceive does that make it acceptable in the eyes of allah for muslims to deceive? I do not understand this rationalization, please explain. Thanks comrade...
ABs

Decatur, GA

#286966 Mar 13, 2013
mook wrote:
part 2
And what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today. He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel. His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare.
I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.
Dislike for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their constantly playing the race card.
I could go on, but let me conclude with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for their color.
As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader. He is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is unequalled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood... Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies, intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed.”
just driving by! mook
Why do you have to sugar coat your feelings all the time, mook? LOL...great to hear from you and as always wishing you and yours well...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286969 Mar 13, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Your very welcome MUQ. You also have a good sense of humor.
My testimony is not worth much, but good luck anyway. LOL
I know most Muslims are good and law abiding citizens.
It is true no country is safe from drones, BUT, USA works closely with countries like SA and India for example, so a phone call would suffice.
Thank you brother for your kind words.

I had a better sense of humor , but the years I have spent on these Topix Threads, has diluted it much.

Because most of times I hear abuses, insults and curses and this dampens the sense of humor.

Now that phone call, to whom I should make it? And I must not use my Mobile Phone, right?

Because Mobile Phone signals are a "sure shot" sign to trace you for "droning purpose"?

Why should I take the risk?

Things as they are might give me 10 % chances of survival, why should I blow it out?

PS:

And this is not posted with any sense of humor!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286970 Mar 13, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you trying to imply comrade? Does one immoral reprehensible act justify another? If jews deceive does that make it acceptable in the eyes of allah for muslims to deceive? I do not understand this rationalization, please explain. Thanks comrade...
No these images are used to "stereo type" all Muslims in the world. Very few people read that those images were fakes, but most of them "saw" that Muslims world over celebrating 9/11.

And then there was no apology and no one was punished. These things are done with alarming regularity to malign a religion and a community.

Who am I at a personal level? But I belong to the biggest Universal Brotherhood in the world (despite all these problems)!!
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286971 Mar 13, 2013
Did you know Gdub, the retarded son of Bush the Elder, can claim a number of world records? One of them is the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest him (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

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Therealnews com

Sayville, NY

#286972 Mar 14, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you brother for your kind words.
I had a better sense of humor , but the years I have spent on these Topix Threads, has diluted it much.
Because most of times I hear abuses, insults and curses and this dampens the sense of humor.
Now that phone call, to whom I should make it? And I must not use my Mobile Phone, right?
Because Mobile Phone signals are a "sure shot" sign to trace you for "droning purpose"?
Why should I take the risk?
Things as they are might give me 10 % chances of survival, why should I blow it out?
PS:
And this is not posted with any sense of humor!!
Don't let the insults bother you. Just let it bounce off.

In my country we have a saying: Sticks and Stones can brake your bones but names can never harm me. lol

I think you misinterpreted my post MUQ.

There is no need to drone SA and India because the USA works closely with those countries.

A phone call is all they need to capture a predator and arrest them.

Good Police Work is all I'm saying.

P.S. It is good to have a sense of humor, it helps with your spirit.

And a vacation from topix is refreshing every once in a while. lol
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286973 Mar 14, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
No these images are used to "stereo type" all Muslims in the world. Very few people read that those images were fakes, but most of them "saw" that Muslims world over celebrating 9/11.
And then there was no apology and no one was punished. These things are done with alarming regularity to malign a religion and a community.
Who am I at a personal level? But I belong to the biggest Universal Brotherhood in the world (despite all these problems)!!
So is the answer that you are against ALL injustice or just muslim injustice? And I quote..."O ye who believe, stand out firmly for JUSTICE,as witness to Allah,even if it be against yourself, against your parents, against your relatives, whether it be rich or poor,for Allah Protects both."
Even your sacred book demands you speak out against injustice, yet you refuse to, why is that comrade Muq? Why you not condemn the injustice of the fake palestinian pictures falsely accusing Israel of killing the man's child when in fact it was done by hamas rockets as sharply as you attack jewish false accusations?...I speak out agains ALL injustice, got it comrade MUQ?

You never answered, comrade, were you born into islam or did you submit?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286975 Mar 15, 2013
AB s wrote:
So is the answer that you are against ALL injustice or just muslim injustice? And I quote..."O ye who believe, stand out firmly for JUSTICE, as witness to Allah, even if it be against yourself, against your parents, against your relatives, whether it be rich or poor ,f or Allah Protects both."

Even your sacred book demands you speak out against injustice, yet you refuse to, why is that comrade Muq? Why you not condemn the injustice of the fake Palestinian pictures falsely accusing Israel of killing the man's child when in fact it was done by hamas rockets as sharply as you attack jewish false accusations?...I speak out against ALL injustice, got it comrade MUQ?

You never answered, comrade, were you born into islam or did you submit?
Ans.

I am against all injustices, whether it be done by Muslims or Non Muslim.

I do not condone any act of violence done by any one in which any innocent men, women and children is killed.

I do not consider the faith of the person who was killed and the faith of the person who is killing them.

So my condemnation is general. And if any specific case is brought to my notice, I would condemn it.

A Muslim is not allowed to retaliate and kill innocent persons of other community, even if they are persecuted and killed by their enemies.

But what I have seen is that people use "different standards" when it involves killing by people of their Army, Police, and residents of their own country. They try to justify their killings and put the blame on other party.

Their aim is not to condemn killing of innocents, but just to put all the blame on the other side.

This is the type of position I do not tolerate.

PS:

I was born into a Muslim family, if that answers your question.
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#286976 Mar 15, 2013
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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286978 Mar 15, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Drones and Our National Religion

By David Swanson (Contd.)



Many U.S.ians have avoided knowing that U.S. citizens, including minors, have been targeted and killed, that women and children are on the list of those to be killed, that hundreds of civilian deaths have been documented by serious journalists including victims' names and identities, that U.S. peace activists went to Pakistan and met with victims' families, that the U.S. ambassador in Pakistan said there was a U.S. government count of how many civilians had been killed but he wouldn't say what it was,

that the vast majority of those killed are not important leaders in any organization, that people are targeted and killed without knowing their name, that people are targeted and killed merely for the act of trying to rescue victims of previous strikes, that the wounded outnumber the dead, that the traumatized outnumber the wounded, that the refugees who have fled the drone strikes are over a million, that the drone wars did not replace ground wars but began war making in new nations so destabilized now by the drone strikes that ground wars may develop, that some top U.S. military officials have said the drones are creating more new enemies than they kill, or that what drones are doing to our reputation abroad makes Abu Ghraib look like the fun and games our media pundits said it was.

If our courts killed without trials there would be by definition a risk of killing the innocent. The same should be understood when a president and his flying robots, or missiles, or night raids, kill without trial.

If we were being bombed we would not deem it any more acceptable to kill those who resisted than those who did not. Therefore, the category of "innocent civilian" (as distinct from guilty non-civilian) is suspect at best.
bibleSays

AOL

#286980 Mar 15, 2013
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Revelation's FALSE PROPHET = Pope of Rome

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ABs

Marietta, GA

#286981 Mar 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I am against all injustices, whether it be done by Muslims or Non Muslim.
I do not condone any act of violence done by any one in which any innocent men, women and children is killed.
I do not consider the faith of the person who was killed and the faith of the person who is killing them.
So my condemnation is general. And if any specific case is brought to my notice, I would condemn it.
A Muslim is not allowed to retaliate and kill innocent persons of other community, even if they are persecuted and killed by their enemies.
But what I have seen is that people use "different standards" when it involves killing by people of their Army, Police, and residents of their own country. They try to justify their killings and put the blame on other party.
Their aim is not to condemn killing of innocents, but just to put all the blame on the other side.
This is the type of position I do not tolerate.
PS:
I was born into a Muslim family, if that answers your question.
Now we are getting somewhere, comrade MUQ...nice to hear you shake the shackles off and speak of your own mind and thoughts on occassion. Very nice indeed.
Could not agree more with you...injustice wherever and by whoever should be spoken out against. And I think we can both agree the blame game is not the important thing, but speaking out to try to stop the injustice, now that is what should matter, yes? I think we can also agree that in the eyes of allah if a muslim is not allowed to retaliate then there is certainly no doubt that in today's day and times there are quite a few muslims not living by the islamic standard, yes? Such is the case for so called followers of many other religions as well, do you agree? So what is our alternative in your opinion?
ABs

Marietta, GA

#286982 Mar 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
Drones and Our National Religion
By David Swanson (Contd.)
Many U.S.ians have avoided knowing that U.S. citizens, including minors, have been targeted and killed, that women and children are on the list of those to be killed, that hundreds of civilian deaths have been documented by serious journalists including victims' names and identities, that U.S. peace activists went to Pakistan and met with victims' families, that the U.S. ambassador in Pakistan said there was a U.S. government count of how many civilians had been killed but he wouldn't say what it was,
that the vast majority of those killed are not important leaders in any organization, that people are targeted and killed without knowing their name, that people are targeted and killed merely for the act of trying to rescue victims of previous strikes, that the wounded outnumber the dead, that the traumatized outnumber the wounded, that the refugees who have fled the drone strikes are over a million, that the drone wars did not replace ground wars but began war making in new nations so destabilized now by the drone strikes that ground wars may develop, that some top U.S. military officials have said the drones are creating more new enemies than they kill, or that what drones are doing to our reputation abroad makes Abu Ghraib look like the fun and games our media pundits said it was.
If our courts killed without trials there would be by definition a risk of killing the innocent. The same should be understood when a president and his flying robots, or missiles, or night raids, kill without trial.
If we were being bombed we would not deem it any more acceptable to kill those who resisted than those who did not. Therefore, the category of "innocent civilian" (as distinct from guilty non-civilian) is suspect at best.
AND YET the President OBUMBLE lovers are to ignorant to realize that drone killing has EXPLODED under his watch...so much for his election promises of transforming world opinion, eh comrade?
Frank

Oakland, CA

#286983 Mar 16, 2013
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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286984 Mar 16, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Drones and Our National Religion

By David Swanson(Contd.)

The vast majority of the "worst of the worst" locked away in Guantanamo have been exonerated and freed, something that cannot be done with drone victims. Yet John Brennan, once deemed unacceptable for his role in detention and torture, is now deemed acceptable. The goodness of his murdering evil beings outweighs the badness of his detaining and torturing people who were sometimes misidentified. The dead cannot be misidentified. The president has declared that any unidentified dead male of fighting age was, by definition, a militant. After all, he was killed.

Yet, this we know for certain: He was someone's child. He was someone's loved one. He was someone's friend.

We have a responsibility right now to grow up very, very quickly. Our government is breaking down the rule of law and stripping away our rights in the name of protecting us from an enemy it generates through the same process. Drones are not inevitable. Drones are not in charge of us.

We don't have to fill our local skies with "surveillance" drones and "crowd control" drones. That's a choice that is up to us to make. We don't have to transfer to mindless hunks of metal the heroism heretofore bestowed just as nonsensically on soldiers. There is no excuse for supporting the murder of foreigners in cases in which we would not support the murder of U.S. citizens. There is no excuse for supporting a policy of murdering anyone at all.

There is no excuse for allowing your government to take your son or daughter and give you back a flag. There is no excuse for allowing your government to take someone else's son or daughter. Ever. Anywhere. No matter how scared you are. No matter what oath of loyalty you've robotically pledged to a colored piece of fabric since Kindergarten.

Actual robots can perform the pledge of allegiance as well as any human. They do not, however, have any heart to place their hand over. We should reserve our hearts for actions robots cannot do.

David L. Swanson is an American activist, blogger and author. warisacrime.org
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286989 Mar 17, 2013
AB s wrote:
1.

01. Now we are getting somewhere, comrade MUQ...nice to hear you shake the shackles off and speak of your own mind and thoughts on occasion. Very nice indeed.

02. Could not agree more with you...injustice wherever and by whoever should be spoken out against. And I think we can both agree the blame game is not the important thing, but speaking out to try to stop the injustice, now that is what should matter, yes?

03. I think we can also agree that in the eyes of Allah if a muslim is not allowed to retaliate then there is certainly no doubt that in today's day and times there are quite a few muslims not living by the islamic standard, yes? Such is the case for so called followers of many other religions as well, do you agree? So what is our alternative in your opinion?

2.

04. AND YET the President OBUMBLE lovers are to ignorant to realize that drone killing has EXPLODED under his watch...so much for his election promises of transforming world opinion, eh comrade?
Ans.

01 & 02. No need to apply "old oil", let us just move on.

03. As per Quran, Muslims "are allowed" to retaliate in equal manner of what harm is done to them (otherwise it would be a "Non natural" law)…… but they should not exceed the harm and if they forgive it would be better (the last line is for people who have high degree of persistence and perseverance)

04. President Obama came to power promising "change" after GWB the Great had done extreme damage to USA both financially and economically.

But he was to "know " that President of USA is not 'as free and as powerful" as people think him to be. He is like a puppet who is being controlled by very powerful puppeteers.

So "nothing" changed in USA, US is still solidly behind Isreal, US army is in Iraq, US army is in Afghanistan, GITMO is there, US is ready to fight Yemen, Iran, Syria…

As if GWB the Great is still ruling USA, so people decided to "re-elect" him for another term.

And in 2016, we will get "another puppet" in White House to dance at the tune of those puppeteers!!(to keep people happy!!)

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