'The War Is Not Over'

There are 20 comments on the Sep 12, 2006, Los Angeles Times story titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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rider

Gwinn, MI

#286928 Mar 11, 2013
July 31, 2010

CIA AND ISI NURTURED MUJAHIDEEN AND TALIBAN
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286929 Mar 11, 2013
Who We Are

Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould, have been a husband and wife team since 1977. In 1981 we were the first American journalists permitted to enter Afghanistan behind Soviet lines. We covered the war first for CBS News, produced a documentary for PBS. We returned in 1983 for ABC’s Nightline with Harvard’s "Getting to Yes" negotiations expert, Roger Fisher in the hopes of advancing the prospects for negotiating the Soviets out.

By 1987 we knew the time was not right foretelling the Afghan story. We started to develop reality based screenplays out of the accumulated materials and research. By the end of the 1980's, we had completed four. The EX-FILE* was one. Written in 1989, it was based on a real US government Black Project that used military personnel for mind-control experiments. As the new decade arrived, we began to experience a consciousness shift. Our geopolitical perspective became the key to discovery into the deeper motivations of the players behind the most important event of our time, the war in Afghanistan.

Ultimately we found a psychic link to a blood world of Norman Geraldine (Fitzgerald) holy warriors linked to the Crusades and the holy warriors of Afghanistan today.

We met Oliver Stone in 1992 to introduce him to The Voice, a research paper we developed after years of struggling to tell the unknown geopolitical story of our experience with Afghanistan. With Stone’s encouragement and through his power of dreams we brought our mythic dream world into waking reality.

The story eventually became the holographic door through which the geopolitics of Afghanistan in the current era walked to meet the spiritual ground of its existence; a world with rules of its own, playing out in our time. It reveals the mystical struggle for the future that underlies and drives our consciousness and goes right to the heart of understanding the true destiny of the Western Dream.

Our story will take you back to the birth of the ancient Grail quest 5500 hundred years ago, what that means for the restoration of the Grail through electronics today and why this will restore the Grail for eternity.

A story based on our dreams and visions, The Voice is our answer to the question, what is the meaning of life?

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rider

Gwinn, MI

#286930 Mar 11, 2013
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286931 Mar 11, 2013
Even less understood is how the political decisions of the late 1970s are tied to the current simultaneous financial and foreign policy crisis. Nor is it understood how Washington and Wall Street set the stage for America’s financial downfall by using Afghanistan as an investment bank throughout the 1980s to renew the Cold War instead of reinvesting in America’s civilian economy.

Much like today, the America of 1979 faced a crossroads. Vietnam, two oil shocks, a disintegrating infrastructure, a beleaguered manufacturing base and the loss of strategic ally Iran had shown that America was a vulnerable colossus. Thirty five years of economic Cold War against the Soviet Union and China had produced a vast arsenal of nuclear weapons that were proving as useless as they were unusable. World War II had set the stage for the happy marriage of war production to business — pulling the U.S. out of the depression by doubling the Gross National Product in one year (1940). The Cold War ushered the financial benefits of the 1940s into the 1950s and 1960s. But these expenditures came at a massive expense to the civilian economy and not just in terms of tax dollars. Weapons development of the post World War II years lured America’s best and brightest away from the civilian economy and even the real world of guns, tanks and armies into a world detached from time, space and money. While Germany and Japan rebuilt their civilian industries free from defense spending, the U.S. moved into ever higher levels of technology, glorifying and expanding the influence of the defense industry into every fabric of American life.

Originally termed Military Keynesianism to describe the buildup of the German defense industry prior to World War II, America’s military Keynesianism of the Cold War was the unseen hand of government supporting the American economy, balancing the cyclical ups and downs of the market by providing 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product in 1950s and 9 percent in the 1960s. By 1963 defense spending accounted for 52 percent of all the research and development done in the United States. But by the mid-1970s, a stagnant American economy combined with the Arab oil embargo and inflation brought on by the Vietnam War exposed the weakness in the system. As German and Japanese manufacturers battered their American competition in the marketplace, the defense-heavy American economy faltered.

http://www.invisiblehistory.com/the-tangled-w...
Sunlight Foundation com

West Sayville, NY

#286932 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Want to send a couple of drones to search for me?
My guess is the CIA /NSA /FBI and Mossad already knows where you are.

LOL

Israeli Secret Intelligence Service
http://tinyurl.com/2lmd93
http://www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspx

Power Surge / The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/powersurge_...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286933 Mar 11, 2013
Mystical Imperialism: Afghanistan’s Ancient Role
http://www.invisiblehistory.com/the-books/mys...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286934 Mar 11, 2013
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286935 Mar 11, 2013
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286936 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Want to send a couple of drones to search for me?
\
You should feel HONORED enough to realize that you have some non-muslim friends who actually care about you and are only hoping you are safe and well...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286937 Mar 11, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently the Saudis have problems scheduling their daily beheadings because of a shortage of swordsmen - I'm not kidding!
Not to worry, the NRA is on it and have offered shooting squads in lieu of...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286938 Mar 11, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to worry, the NRA is on it and have offered shooting squads in lieu of...
You'd have to change that to NSA - yemoron :-)
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286939 Mar 11, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
You'd have to change that to NSA - yemoron :-)
Speaking of moron...what little district has the TOUGHEST gun laws of anywhere in this country?

Eleven people have been taken to hospitals after a shooting outside an apartment building in the District, police said.
The shooting took place at about 2 a.m. Monday in the 1200 block of North Capitol Street. It appears that the incident was a drive-by shooting, and police are looking for two vehicles that were traveling at a high rate of speed southbound on North Capitol Street, Assistant Police Chief Peter Newsham said.

Five women and six men were taken to hospitals, although police are not sure how many of them were shot. One of the victims is in serious condition, but none of the victims have life-threatening injuries, Newsham said.

Perhaps another ban is warranted? I wonder if those guns were re-registered this year?

Since: Jan 13

Falkirk, UK

#286940 Mar 11, 2013
Washington should pressure Baghdad to increase the allocation for oil cost recovery
Posted on: Mar 11th, 2013 - 9:25 pm
http://www.directorstalk.com/washington-shoul...
Foxy is Foxy

Indianapolis, IN

#286942 Mar 11, 2013
Tinka wrote:
Oh man Good manners should behave self...and know the cause if he'd ever even were to consider to blow up anything...
Democracy was on it's way out is what they said they went in for...
Well I think Bama needs more support is all
and
p.s.
I can't tell you this without a grrr really on the public site but my ass many times blows me away....
How does it do it you wipe and nothing just one more to be sure and then you feel stuck damm one more two wipes and oh then it feels nice and dry and clean...
Put the fork in it, the War is done now!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286943 Mar 11, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Law of War Does Not Shield the CIA and John Brennan's Drone Kill List

The US prosecuted Omar Khadr in Guantánamo for not being a lawful combatant. Exactly the same applies to the civilian CIA

By Morris Davis

February 12, 2013 "The Guardian" -- The disclosure Tuesday evening of the Department of Justice white paper on targeted killing (pdf) has sparked a lot of debate, much of it focused on the Obama administration's extraordinarily broad interpretation of what constitutes an "imminent" threat that justifies lethal force as an act of self-defense. As Senator Rand Paul (Republican, Kentucky) told reporters during a conference call on Wednesday, "only a team of lawyers could define 'imminent' to mean the exact opposite" of what the word means in the real world.

There are, no doubt, many Americans alive today who should be thankful their healthcare providers did not apply the administration's interpretation of "imminent" to decide if they had crossed over the line of imminent death and said pull the plug.

Some people have acquired power and profits in post-9/11 America by pandering to and perpetuating fear. As has been the case on a range of legal issues – torture, indefinite detention, warrantless surveillance, kill lists – all it takes is for someone to say "terrorism" and "threat to security" in the same breath for the vast majority of the public to handover its principles. Rather than a serious discussion on the proper law/liberty/security balance, too often the public accepts the false syllogism that whatever it takes to stop "them" from hurting "us" is obviously, as White House spokesman Jay Carney might say, "legal, ethical and wise".

Targeted killing falls into that category. The discussion tends to glom what should be several discrete inquiries – where will the lethal operation take place; who is the imminent threat and why; who will conduct the operation; and what laws apply, among others – into one big ball that slides through with little scrutiny.

The DOJ white paper discusses the right to take military action against a US citizen who is part of the enemy forces, law of war principles that govern application of military power, judicial deference to military judgments in the conduct of warfare, and combatant immunity that gives legal sanction to a deliberate killing by a member of the armed forces acting in compliance with the law of war. In and of themselves, those are all very valid points.

What the white paper ignores, however, is that the US has both a military and a CIA drone program, each one subject to its own rules. The CIA is a civilian agency with civilian employees and civilian contractors. It is not part of the US armed forces and its drone program is not immune from liability by the law of war principles that might apply to the military drone program.

The deliberate killing of another person is generally murder unless it is excused by some valid legal justification, like the law of war's combatant immunity. For example, the United States charged Omar Khadr with committing murder in violation of the law of war for throwing a grenade and killing a US service member during a battle in Afghanistan.

At his military commission trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, the military judge explained to Khadr that the law says a "killing is unlawful when done without legal justification or excuse" and that "the phrase 'in violation of the law of war' means a person … acting as a combatant [who] did not meet the requirements for being a lawful combatant." Khadr pled guilty to the charge and is now in prison in Canada serving a sentence for war crimes.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286944 Mar 11, 2013
Under what authority is the CIA legally excused for deliberately killing?

The United States has never made – nor should it – the argument that the CIA is part of the US armed forces and governed by the law of war. The fact that the two entities are separate and operate under distinct rules is clear. John Brennan, President Obama's nominee to head the CIA, made the point in his answers to prehearing questions (pdf) from members of the Senate select committee on intelligence:

"The president must have the ability to select which element [the CIA or Department of Defense] is best suited for the particular mission. Factors to be considered in the selection of the personnel and authorities include the capabilities needed, the material required, and whether the activity must be conducted covertly."
Stated another way, Brennan says that President Obama needs to have a paramilitary force at his disposal to carry out operations the military is prohibited from conducting by the law of war.

Jack Goldsmith, former assistant attorney general in the George W Bush administration and now a professor at Harvard Law School, argues the past decade shows that the United States needs a new statutory framework governing how it conducts secret warfare. Perhaps that would be a positive step, but a new domestic statutory scheme would not make a civilian working for a civilian agency a lawful combatant entitled to immunity under the law of war for acts committed outside the United States.

Neither Congress nor the president has the power to create a legal justification for killing in violation of the law of war.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286945 Mar 11, 2013
Sunlight Foundation com wrote:
<quoted text>
My guess is the CIA /NSA /FBI and Mossad already knows where you are.
LOL
Israeli Secret Intelligence Service
http://tinyurl.com/2lmd93
http://www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspx
Power Surge / The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/powersurge_...
Why no "drones" visited me then?

You think I am "lower" in rank?

Lower than the cook of OBL who is in GITMO?
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#286947 Mar 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why no "drones" visited me then?
You think I am "lower" in rank?
Lower than the cook of OBL who is in GITMO?
I think you are a good person with no ties to terrorist like UBL.

My guess is you are an educated professional working in the Kingdom, originally from India.

Certainly not a medical doctor like some think.

It is my understanding that SA is safe from drones.

But I would stay out of Yemen & Pakistan if I were you.

lol
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#286948 Mar 12, 2013
Reports: US 'Corporate Tax Dodgers' Keeping More Money Overseas
'Why should ordinary taxpayers have to sacrifice while highly profitable corporations are using accounting acrobatics and tax havens to avoid paying their fair share?'/ March 11, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/bfolg79
At a time of record corporate profits, U.S. "corporate tax dodgers" are parking more of their profits offshore, taking advantage of tax loopholes to shield billions from U.S. taxes, according to new analyses in the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg.
The WSJ looked at 60 U.S. companies that parked a combined $166 billion offshore last year, allowing 40% of their annual profits to escape U.S. taxes. In Bloomberg's analysis of 83 companies, there was a $183 billion expansion over the past year in non-U.S. holdings, for a combined total across the 83 companies of $1.46 trillion in offshore profits.
The trend is clear: figures from both papers show an increase from last year in offshore profits — up 15% using WSJ figures and a 14.4% increase using Bloomberg's data.
The companies with the five biggest offshore holdings on both the WSJ and Bloomberg lists are General Electric, Pfizer, Microsoft, Merck and Johnson & Johnson.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/...

If Corporations Don’t Pay Taxes, Why Should You?
by Robert Scheer / March 12, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/a7uyetc
Go offshore young man and avoid paying taxes. Plunder at will in those foreign lands, and if you get in trouble, Uncle Sam will come rushing to your assistance, diplomatically, financially and militarily, even if you have managed to avoid paying for those government services. Just pretend you’re a multinational corporation.
That’s the honest instruction for business success provided by 60 of the largest U.S. corporations that, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis,“parked a total of $166 billion offshore last year” shielding more than 40 percent of their profits from U.S. taxes. They all do it, including Microsoft, GE and pharmaceutical giant Abbott Laboratories. Many, like GE, are so good at it that they have avoided taxes altogether in some recent years.
But they all still expect Uncle Sam to come to their aid with military firepower in case the natives abroad get restless and nationalize their company’s assets. We still have a blockade against Cuba because Fidel Castro more than a half century ago dared seize an American-owned telephone company. During that same period, we have consistently intervened to maintain the lock of U.S. corporations on the world’s resources, continuing to the present task of making Iraq and Libya safe for our oil companies.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/03/12-0
Foxy is Foxy

Indianapolis, IN

#286949 Mar 12, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Good manners is showing up unannounced and blowing up innocents.
At least you are still alive, bad manners and all in the land of the Steelers and home of the Braves
Or, how about a simple handshake?, you first.

Foxy is Foxy and RIP the War.

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