And the pundit reaction is just starting to come in: On Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough said, "If George Bush had done this, it would have been stopped."Rightwingers are going to have to praise the Prez at last: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/...
Join the discussion below, or Read more at Los Angeles Times.
#286489 Feb 5, 2013
#286490 Feb 5, 2013
So you are all FOR trusting government investigations now, eh Lane Bryant? Why the change? Still have your doubts about 9-11 but not about Whitewater???? Now thats funny right there I don't care WHO you are...proof positive you can't teach stupid...
#286491 Feb 5, 2013
Comrade Muq...just curious, have you met the Ayatollah of Iran? Or the mullah sheik of KSA?
If you do, please ask them why they assisted the satanic USA in rendition of muslims after 9-11 please...thanks.
News you will not hear or see on IRNA or Al Jazeera... The US was far from alone in its controversial counterterror practices after 9/11: More than a quarter of the world's countries helped the agency, a new report says. Some partners hosted secret interrogation prisons; some arrested suspects; others let the CIA refuel its planes at their airports, the New York Times reports. "The moral cost of these programs was borne not just by the US but by the 54 other countries it recruited to help," says Amrit Singh, who wrote the Open Society Justice Initiative report. The document contains the longest list yet of those detained or transferred by the CIA: some 136 people.
The report describes extraordinary rendition, in which prisoners are denied legal procedures as they're moved between countries. Some were shipped to countries that regularly torture prisoners, the Times notes. Countries involved ranged from Pakistan and Afghanistan to the UK and Spain, the Guardian notes; even Iran and Syria lent a hand, with Syria one of the "most common destinations for rendered suspects."
Peace to you comrade MUQ
#286492 Feb 5, 2013
Like every thing Bush done was stopped. After 10 years. LOL!Seymour Hersh, the legendary investigative reporter who exposed My Lai and Abu Ghraib, exploded another bombshell at the University of Minnesota on Tuesday: Dick Cheney had his own Death Squad (h/t Alternet).
"Right now, today, there was a story in the New York Times that if you read it carefully mentioned something known as the Joint Special Operations Command -- JSOC it’s called. It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently. They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr.[Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him [Cheney]...
"Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.
"Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.
Is anyone surprised? We've all seen the movies about assassination teams. And we know there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that Dick Cheney wouldn't do.
Hersh didn't identify the countries, but the NY Times article he cited focused on Afghanistan, where commando operations have killed numerous civilians and enraged Afghan president Hamid Karzai. But Afghanistan doesn't really fit Hersh's description because U.S. troops have been fighting there since 2001; they are not "going in... and leaving." That sounds more like the cross-border raids from Afghanistan into Pakistan, which are well-known. Hersh's revelation suggests similar operations went into other countries, but these remain secret.
So will Congress investigate Cheney's death squads? Who has jurisdiction? After all, Cheney pretended he was a "fourth branch" of the government, neither in the Executive nor the Legislative branches. Of course he was always part of the Executive.
"It’s complicated because the guys doing it are not murderers, and yet they are committing what we would normally call murder. It’s a very complicated issue. Because they are young men that went into the Special Forces. The Delta Forces you’ve heard about. Navy Seal teams. Highly specialized.
#286493 Feb 5, 2013
ONLY 2 things stopped during Bush presidency was the hunt for OBL and the murderer of Lori Klausutis. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/...
#286494 Feb 5, 2013
What, comrade MUQ...you mad at me? You no talk to me anymore? I am not of understanding...you complain thread is dead and war is over than you no talk to me...whatta matta you?
A story to share and warm our relations:
Southern Baptist militants, who have escalated attacks in recent weeks, killed at least 41 people in two separate incidents, officials said on Sunday, challenging assertions that military offensives have broken the back of hardline Baptist groups.
The United States has long pressured central american ally Costa Rico to crack down harder on the recent surge of homegrown southern baptist militant groups such as the Rico de la Costa and others which are based on its soil and attack Roman Catholics in Costa Rico.
In the north, 21 men working for a contractor building a Roman Catholic church were executed overnight after they were kidnapped last week, a provincial official said.
Twenty roman catholic pilgrims died and 24 were wounded, meanwhile, when a car bomb targeted their bus convoy as it headed toward the Panamanian border in the southwest, a doctor said.
New York-based Human Rights Watch has noted more than 320 roman catholics killed this year in Costa Rico and said attacks were on the rise. It said the government's failure to catch or prosecute attackers suggested it was "indifferent" to the killings and secretly supported a true Southern Baptist Nation.
Costa Rico, seen as critical to US efforts to keep central america stabilized, denies allegations that it supports militant groups like the Rico de la Costa southern baptist network.
Your thoughts comrade?
#286495 Feb 5, 2013
You are SO CORRECTemundo Lane...time to praise the prez...thank you Mr Obumble for raising the debt another 6 trillion, thank you for yur contiued support of wall street and most importantly, thank you for shutting down Gitm oand normalizing cuban relations...love you - mean it!
#286496 Feb 5, 2013
A former medical examiner rented a storage unit in Pensacola, Florida, where human remains were discovered recently. It's the same ME who essentially closed the books 11 years ago on the death of a woman whose body was found in the office of then Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough.
The grisly discovery should raise new questions about an ugly chapter in Scarborough's past--a chapter that probably is unknown to many viewers who now tune in to catch the host on MSNBC's Morning Joe.
All of this has strong ties to us here in Alabama. Scarborough is a University of Alabama graduate and is close to former Governor Bob Riley and his son, Homewood attorney Rob Riley. In fact, Scarborough used his platform on Morning Joe to shamelessly plug Bob Riley as a potential GOP presidential candidate--despite evidence of monstrous corruption on Riley's watch.
Perhaps cover ups are nothing new in the Scarborough story. That's why many Americans are unaware that a 28-year-old woman named Lori Klausutis, a staff member for the then Congressman, was found dead in Scarborough's north Florida office in 2001. A medical examiner named Dr. Michael Berkland ruled it an accidental death, finding that Klausutis suffered a cardiac arrhythmia that caused her to faint and hit her head on a desk.
That's the same Dr. Michael Berkland who was found to have rented a storage unit where the remains of more than 100 humans were found on August 24. From the Pensacola News Journal:
#286497 Feb 5, 2013
Gruesome discovery in Florida expert's storage unit
By Lee Williams
Published: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Dr. Michael Berkland, a forensic pathologist who has been critical of the investigation into the death of 22-year-old Sheena Morris at a Bradenton Beach hotel, has been accused of crudely preserving human brains, hearts and lungs in soda cups and plastic food containers found inside a storage unit in Pensacola.
Berkland has not been charged with any crime.
A man bought the contents of a storage unit at auction last week in Pensacola and made the gruesome discovery after being overpowered by a strange smell while sifting through furniture and boxes.
Investigators found formaldehyde, a chemical used to embalm and preserve bodies, leaking from a 32-ounce drink cup with a cracked lid that was holding a heart, said Jeff Martin, director of the District 1 Medical Examiner's Office in Pensacola.
#286498 Feb 5, 2013
While the media was obsessed with Chandra Levy, another congressional staffer was found dead in then-representative and current MSNBC talk-show host Joe Scarborough's office. Unlike Gary Condit, Scarborough got a free ride from the press.
Report by Denis Wright
In the morning of July 20, 2001, the body of Lori Klausutis, who had worked as an aide to Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough for approximately two years, was found in Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach, Florida, office.
There were no witnesses to Klausutis's death.
According to Anna Dobbins, a producer at WEAR-TV, Joe was on the phone with the local ABC affiliate in Pensacola within three hours of the discovery of the body, and before the family was notified, to say that "a young woman had died in his office and that she had a complicated medical history, specifically surrounding 'stroke and epilepsy.'"
The congressman and his advisor, Mick Serrano, made similar calls to two other local media outlets within hours of the body's discovery.
According to Dobbins and others, about a week later, after the Klausutis family wrote an excoriating letter to a local paper, Serrano called back to ask that they stop reporting the "complicated health history."
Joe, they were now correctly told, had spoken in error.
Klausutis-a marathon runner, 28 years old and happily married-had been in great shape. Her "complicated health" began only on the night that she died, and its "history" surfaced primarily because of Joe's misinformation.
#286499 Feb 5, 2013
Killing Pat Tillman http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/22/jb-ca...
#286500 Feb 5, 2013
The company has agreed to pay a $7.5 million dollar fine, without admitting guilt, to settle federal criminal charges related to arms smuggling and other crimes. Documents unsealed on August 7, 2012, in a U.S. District Court in North Carolina said the company agreed to pay the fine as part of a deferred prosecution agreement to settle 17 violations.
#286501 Feb 5, 2013
No, but we should trust a friggen half-retard from NC?
#286502 Feb 5, 2013
He lived by the gun, and he died by the gun.
When it comes to a timely reminder of how flawed the NRA and gun advocates argument that a gun offers a magical shield of self-defence is, the recent killing of a military sniper at a Texas gun range (glorified for his book detailing his alleged 150 "insurgent" kill total). Chris Kyle, the former Navy SEAL sniper and gun enthusiast hero, was unable to protect himself or his friend from an armed assailant, even though they were at a shooting range with guns abound – guns of every kind!
Although the circumstances of this incident may represent a tragically ironic mega-example of the gun lobby's lame fantasy about the alleged omnipotent self-protection power of guns, it is only because of its mega-symbolic resonance to the drumbeat of gun worshippers that sets it apart.
What the gun lobby doesn't tell you is that guns are relatively rarely used in self-defence by citizens – and it is not uncommon that they are used to kill innocent people out of pure gun owner paranoia.
#286504 Feb 5, 2013
I'll be darned...and all this time I thought the half retard was from the city of Kenya, Hawaii
#286505 Feb 5, 2013
Sorry, just catching up, Francis...been waiting in those extra long lines down on MLK waiting to annually re-register my unregistered 41 mag...what was it you are saying?
#286506 Feb 5, 2013
Yeah, put down the paddles and yell, "clear!" and you got a small weak beat, but when T Van Helsing returns she will put the final stake into it's heart, once and for all, and the war will be over, for good..flatline----------
#286507 Feb 5, 2013
#286508 Feb 5, 2013
Justice Department white paper: government can kill American citizens without clear evidence (tell me this isn't the 'enemy within' We, as Americans, have a Right and Duty to defend Ourselves against)
Jubail, Saudi Arabia
#286509 Feb 5, 2013
9/11 attacks generated lot of sympathy for USA in its initial phases.
Many countries extended their help to trace down the criminals that were behind it.
US administration misused their trust and support and tried it best to "mislead" the investigation into 9/11 attacks and the real reasons for WTC towers collapse….and started their "own agenda" for going after red herrings.
It launched full scale war on Afghanistan and later Iraq which had no connection with 9/11 attacks.
So now they cannot come and plead "see every one cooperated with USA on finding out 9/11 criminals"
Because some of the "Master Minds" were sitting Right in the White House!! My hunch is it was Dick Chenney the Vice President, the Most Powerful man in GWB Cabinet after 9/11
Comrade AB s , I have no access to top religious scholars of Iran or Saudi Arabia
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