'The War Is Not Over'

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Pdamerica org

Bay Shore, NY

#286356 Jan 25, 2013
John_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>thank Goodness for George Bush and Tony Blair. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1220-...
I will give Bush some credit but it seems the Colonel was against al Qaeda back in 1995-96.

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...

The era saw Libya's return to the international arena. In 1999, Libya began secret talks with the British government to normalise relations.[223] In 2001, Gaddafi condemned the September 11 attacks on the U.S. by al-Qaeda, expressing sympathy with the victims and calling for Libyan involvement in the War on Terror against militant Islamism

“One For the Money”

Since: Jan 12

Two For The Show

#286357 Jan 25, 2013
ABs wrote:
Look at the bright side though, comrade....North Korea is going to nuke us...
I read North Korea has the capabilities to nuke the western coastline of the USA.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286358 Jan 25, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

When Will the Killing War in Iran Begin? It Already Has

“Economic sanctions are, at their core, a war against public health.”–The New England Journal of Medicine [1]

By Stephen Gowans

November 06, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - While campaigns are organized to deter the United States and Israel from acting on threats to launch an air war against Iran, both countries, in league with the European Union (winner of this year’s Nobel Peace Prize) carry on a low-intensity war against Iran that is likely to be causing more human suffering and death than strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities would. This is a war against public health, aimed at the most vulnerable: cancer patients, hemophiliacs, kidney dialysis patients, and those awaiting transplants. Its victims are unseen, dying anonymously in hospitals, not incinerated in spectacular explosions touched off by cruise missiles and bunker buster bombs.

But ordinary Iranians who can’t get needed medications are every bit as much victims of war as those blown apart by bombs. And yet, we think, that as long as the bombs don’t rain down, that peace has been preserved. Perhaps it has, in formal terms, but bleeding to death in the crater of a bomb, or bleeding to death because you can’t get hemophilia drugs, is, in either case, death.

In Iran today there is an acute shortage of pharmaceuticals for kidney dialysis and transplants and for treating cancer, hemophilia, thalessemia, multiple sclerosis, and other disorders. Hospital equipment is breaking down for want of spare parts. And raw materials used by domestic pharmaceutical manufacturers—blocked by Western sanctions—are in short supply. It adds up to a healthcare crisis. The United States and European Union say their sanctions don’t apply to drugs and medical equipment, but US and European banks are unwilling to handle financial transactions with Iran. If they do, the US Treasury Department will deny them access to the US banking system.

Since isolation from the world’s largest economy would guarantee their demise, banks comply and shun Iran. As a consequence, few goods from the West make their way into the country, the exemptions for drugs and medical equipment being nothing more than a public relations ruse to disguise the barbarity of the sanctions. Not that Washington is denying that its sanctions are hurting ordinary Iranians. It’s just that responsibility for their consequences is denied. US president Barak Obama “has said the Iranian people should blame their own leaders.”[2] For what—failing to knuckle under?

“In contrast to war’s easily observable casualties, the apparently nonviolent consequences of economic intervention seem like an acceptable alternative. However…economic sanctions can seriously harm the health of persons who live in targeted nations.”[3] This has been well established and widely accepted in the cases of Iraq in the 1990s and the ongoing US blockade of Cuba. Political scientists John Mueller and Karl Mueller wrote an important paper in Foreign Affairs, in which they showed that economic sanctions “may have contributed to more deaths during the post-Cold War era than all weapons of mass destruction throughout history.”[4]

(Contd.)

“From The Desert To The Sea”

Since: Sep 09

To All Across The Lands

#286361 Jan 25, 2013
Can you hear me now?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mobi...
SRINAGAR: Ahead of Republic Day parades in Srinagar and elsewhere on Saturday, mobile phone services were suspended across the Kashmir Valley as part of a security drill.

Different service providers did not issue any alert to subscribers before suspending their services.

Contacted on landline phones, people in Srinagar, Ganderbal, Anantnag, Badgam, Baramulla, Sopore and other towns said mobile phones had stopped working since Saturday morning.

Last year too mobile phone services were withdrawn in the valley Jan 26 and Aug 15.

In the past, separatist guerrillas triggered improved explosive devices using mobile telephones.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286362 Jan 25, 2013
AB s wrote:
1.

So i Guess what you are saying is it does NOT restore honor if a muslim rapist marries his muslim teenage victim...good to hear you aren't one of those "DEFEND THE MUSLIM AT ALL COSTS" types. I agree completely...what a hypocritical position. But isn't this the same hypocritical position they take in Iran?

2.

Yes there are many nukes in Russia but they are our friends now in case you haven't noticed...we share the space station together and ar finalizing our starwars system together as we speak...have you noticed the additional "bright stars" in the sky lately? When this starwars project is complete nukes will become obsolete anyway...so no worries...at least for us...sleep tight
Ans.

1. I am not defending any guilty party. I am only defending Islam and its teachings, which are most balanced.

I would have been hypocrite, if I said that I believe in Islam and then criticise its teachings. You do not understand the meaning of a Hypocrite, do you?

2. How come Russian Nukes have become your "friends"? If nukes will become obsolete, then why you make so much noise about nukes of Iran and North Korea? Are YOU behaving like a Hypocrite?

I think you are just waiting for a much bigger 9/11!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286363 Jan 25, 2013
Angels Flight wrote:
Can you hear me now?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mobi...
SRINAGAR: Ahead of Republic Day parades in Srinagar and elsewhere on Saturday, mobile phone services were suspended across the Kashmir Valley as part of a security drill.
Different service providers did not issue any alert to subscribers before suspending their services.
Contacted on landline phones, people in Srinagar, Ganderbal, Anantnag, Badgam, Baramulla, Sopore and other towns said mobile phones had stopped working since Saturday morning.
Last year too mobile phone services were withdrawn in the valley Jan 26 and Aug 15.
In the past, separatist guerrillas triggered improved explosive devices using mobile telephones.
One more "routine day" in the lives of Kashmiri Muslims.

Since some "extremists" triggered some devices thru Mobile Phones ,so ALL people in kashmir should stay out of Mobile Services for as many days as Indian Lords sitting at Delhi decide.

I hope they do the same when some Hindus explode some Bombs in some part of India and shut off Mobile services for one day or two days as a "Security Precaution".

But this is India, they have separate rules for Muslim Extremists and another for Hindu Extremists.
UIdiotraceMAkeWo rldpeace

United States

#286364 Jan 26, 2013
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Activists denounce Aquino government’s ‘subservience’ to the US

By ANNE MARXZE D. UMIL Bulatlat.com MANILA – Like the previous administrations, President Benigno S. Aquino III did not break from the dictates of the United States of America, Renato Reyes, Jr. secretary general of umbrella group Bagong Alyansang Makabayan (Bayan), said as the country marked Independence Day, June 12. Carrying banners “Down with imperialism!,”[...]
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Frackville, PA

#286365 Jan 26, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
I will give Bush some credit but it seems the Colonel was against al Qaeda back in 1995-96.
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
The era saw Libya's return to the international arena. In 1999, Libya began secret talks with the British government to normalise relations.[223] In 2001, Gaddafi condemned the September 11 attacks on the U.S. by al-Qaeda, expressing sympathy with the victims and calling for Libyan involvement in the War on Terror against militant Islamism
So what's your point. Bush did not overthrow Gaddafi. He just dismantled his nuclear program and ambitions. Along with other WMD. Thank Goodness a lot was moved to the States.

Others eliminated Gaddafi. My beef with the others is that they should have had better security for the State Dept people. They could have eliminated Al-Qaeda types and perhaps the Algerian gas plant attack might not have happened. It was reported that the same people were involved,
Pdamerica org

Bay Shore, NY

#286366 Jan 26, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>So what's your point. Bush did not overthrow Gaddafi. He just dismantled his nuclear program and ambitions. Along with other WMD. Thank Goodness a lot was moved to the States.
Others eliminated Gaddafi. My beef with the others is that they should have had better security for the State Dept people. They could have eliminated Al-Qaeda types and perhaps the Algerian gas plant attack might not have happened. It was reported that the same people were involved,
Bush opened the Middle East Floodgates and FREED the Muslims from their Dictators.

As you already know al Qaeda is Global and even if the Republican Congress did give the extra funding, it still might of happened in Benghazi.

Look how many attacks were on our Embassy in Iraq which is larger than the Vatican.

The Green Zone has the most protection in the world.
Pdamerica org

Bay Shore, NY

#286367 Jan 26, 2013
Foul Play in the Senate: Republicans Orin Hatch, Mitch McConnell John Boehner Democrat Max Baucus and the Obama White House with the Healthcare/ Pharmaceutical companies / BACK ROOM DEALS
January 26, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/bynacyh
WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2013/01/26

http://tinyurl.com/bayvtaf
http://www.pacificfreepress.com/opinion/12136...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286368 Jan 26, 2013
According to a study by the Kaiser Foundation.
Annual health care costs are roughly $96 billion for smokers and $147 billion for the obese and 150 billion for gun related injuries. These costs accompany sometimes heroic attempts to prolong lives, including surgery, chemotherapy and other measures. Talking about entitlements ... your freedom is someone else’s harm!
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286369 Jan 26, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>So what's your point. Bush did not overthrow Gaddafi. He just dismantled his nuclear program and ambitions. Along with other WMD. Thank Goodness a lot was moved to the States.
Others eliminated Gaddafi. My beef with the others is that they should have had better security for the State Dept people. They could have eliminated Al-Qaeda types and perhaps the Algerian gas plant attack might not have happened. It was reported that the same people were involved,
"they should have had better security for the State Dept people"? Duh!
Frank

Oakland, CA

#286370 Jan 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
"they should have had better security for the State Dept people"? Duh!
The small and lightly secured diplomatic mission in Benghazi served as a cover for a much larger covert CIA intelligence presence, centered in an “annex” located about a mile from the diplomatic mission. CIA agency officers based at the annex arrived at the besieged mission within 25 minutes of the initial attack.
John_Pa

Danielson, CT

#286371 Jan 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
"they should have had better security for the State Dept people"? Duh!
you probably agree with Hilary. "What does it matter if four people are dead ? Or Rice"reaction to a video"
John_Pa

Danielson, CT

#286372 Jan 26, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush opened the Middle East Floodgates and FREED the Muslims from their Dictators.
As you already know al Qaeda is Global and even if the Republican Congress did give the extra funding, it still might of happened in Benghazi.
Look how many attacks were on our Embassy in Iraq which is larger than the Vatican.
The Green Zone has the most protection in the world.
well at least it has protection. Muslims don't need dictators. Nor do they need to join Al-Qaeda elements.
Pdamerica org

Bay Shore, NY

#286374 Jan 26, 2013
John_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>well at least it has protection. Muslims don't need dictators. Nor do they need to join Al-Qaeda elements.
I agree.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286375 Jan 26, 2013
How have the GOPers persuaded America to buy into the myth of Obama THE BIG SPENDER when the opposite is true?!
• In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the
• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. CBO’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
When America has chosen to believe the horse manure produced by a NEWS agency consistently making false claims, promotes divisive behavior, bigotry and hatred, you will remain ignorant in your anger and self-imposed blindness.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286378 Jan 26, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

When Will the Killing War in Iran Begin? It Already Has

“Economic sanctions are, at their core, a war against public health.”–The New England Journal of Medicine [1]

By Stephen Gowans

Contd.)

“The dangers posed today by such enfeebled, impoverished, and friendless states as Iraq and North Korea are minor indeed”, they wrote in 1999. It might be added that the dangers posed by Iran to the physical safety of US citizens are not only minor but infinitesimally small. Notwithstanding the fevered fantasies of rightwing commentators, Iran has neither the means, nor the required death wish, to strike the United States. Nor Israel, which has the means—an arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons—to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. However, the danger the country poses to the idea of US domination – and hence, to the banks, corporations, and major investors who dominate US policy-making – are admittedly somewhat greater.


“Severe economic sanctions”, the Muellers contend, ought to be “designated by the older label of ‘economic warfare’”.“In past wars economic embargoes caused huge numbers of deaths. Some 750,000 German civilians may have died because of the Allied naval blockade during World War I.”[5]

“So long as they can coordinate their efforts,” the two political scientists continue,“the big countries have at their disposal a credible, inexpensive and potent weapon for use against small and medium-sized foes. The dominant powers have shown that they can inflict enormous pain at remarkably little cost to themselves or the global economy. Indeed, in a matter of months or years whole economies can be devastated…”[6] And with devastated economies, come crumbling healthcare systems and failure to provide for the basic healthcare rights of the population.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286379 Jan 26, 2013


We might ask, then, why the United States and European Union, practitioners of economic warfare against Iran, are bent on destroying Iran’s economy, along with its public health system.“Sanctions,” New York Times’ reporter Rick Gladstone writes, have subjected “ordinary Iranians” to “increased deprivations” in order to “punish Iran for enriching uranium that the West suspects is a cover for developing the ability to make nuclear weapons.”[7] In other words, Iran is suspected of having a secret nuclear weapons program, and so must be sanctioned to force it to abandon it.

Contrary to Gladstone, the West doesn’t really believe that Tehran has a secret nuclear weapons program, yet even if we accept it does believe this, the position is indefensible. Why should Iranians be punished for developing a capability that the countries that have imposed sanctions already have?

The reason why, it will be said, is because Iranians are bent on developing nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. Didn’t Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threaten to “wipe Israel off the map”?

Regurgitated regularly by US hawks and Israeli politicians to mobilize support for the bombing of Iran, the claim is demagogic rubbish. Ahmadinejad predicted that Israel as a Zionist state would someday disappear much as South Africa as an apartheid state did. He didn’t threaten the physical destruction of Israel and expressed only the wish that historic Palestine would become a multinational democratic state of Arabs and the Jews whose ancestors arrived in Palestine before Zionist settlers.[8]

No less damaging to the argument that Iranians aspire to take Israel out in a hail of nuclear missiles is the reality that it would take decades for Iran to match Israel’s already formidable nuclear arsenal, if indeed it aspires to. For the foreseeable future, Israel is in a far better position to wipe Iran off the map. And given Israel’s penchant for flexing its US-built military muscle, is far more likely to be the wiper than wipee. Already it has almost wiped an entire people from the map of historic Palestine.

But this is irrelevant, for the premise that the West suspects Iran of developing a nuclear weapons capability is false. To be sure, the mass media endlessly recycle the fiction that the West suspects Iran’s uranium enrichment program is a cover for a nuclear weapons program, but who in the West suspects this? Not high officials of the US state, for they have repeatedly said that there’s no evidence that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program.

The consensus view of the United States’ 16 intelligence agencies is that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program years ago. Director of US intelligence James Clapper “said there was no evidence that (Iran) had made a decision on making a concerted push to build a weapon. David H. Petraeus, the C.I.A. director, concurred with that view…. Other senior United States officials, including Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have made similar statements.”[9]

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

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