'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276656 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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rider

Gwinn, MI

#286434 Jan 31, 2013
The Nightmare of Dreamland
• By Lee Roy Chapman • 416 4
12Print .Posted 04.18.12Page:1(of 9)The seventeen men were terrified, and with good reason. They stood shivering in the November midnight air, their bare chests lit by the headlights of the parked cars surrounding them. In the dark, they could barely make out their captors, a group of about fifty men dressed in black hoods and robes.

Two hours earlier, during a special session of night court, Tulsa judge T.D. Evans had declared them all guilty of the crime of not owning a war bond—a conviction that smacked of political and ideological retaliation. All defendants but one were members of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), a worker’s union. The “Wobblies,” as they were commonly called, were opponents of the war effort and of capitalism. None of the men had a criminal record, but all men were fined a hundred dollars.[1]
1. Five men present were witnesses for the defense. Judge Evans convicted these men, along with the men charged, stating,“These are no ordinary times.”

They weren’t expected to pay for their crimes, at least not in money. Once the trial ended, policemen rounded up the seventeen and loaded them up in squad cars. Instead of jailing them, the police delivered the convicted men into the custody of the black-robed Knights of Liberty,[2]
2. Referred to as a “faction” of the Klan, the Knights of Liberty were a short-lived secret order with cells throughout the nation. In Oklahoma, they carried out extralegal action on behalf of the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce and its Council of Defense, in the tradition of the reconstruction-era Ku Klux Klan, the “Invisible Empire.” After the end of the war, the Knights of Liberty, in some areas of the country, turned against the Klan.
who were waiting for the Wobblies at the railroad tracks near Convention Hall.[3]
3.The Convention Hall building is now known as the Brady Theater.
The Knights kidnapped the Wobblies at gunpoint, tied them up, threw them into their cars, and drove them into the area west of town... http://thislandpress.com/04/18/2012/tate-brad...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286435 Jan 31, 2013
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286436 Jan 31, 2013
So what it needed for this thread to revive was "a small innocent comment"

Vow!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286438 Feb 1, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

When Will the Killing War in Iran Begin? It Already Has

“Economic sanctions are, at their core, a war against public health.”–The New England Journal of Medicine [1]

By Stephen Gowans
(Contd.)

Rather than weakening this conclusion, stepped up US espionage has buttressed it. Iran’s leaders “have opted for now against…designing a nuclear warhead,” said one former intelligence official briefed on US intelligence findings.“It isn’t the absence of evidence, it’s the evidence of an absence. Certain things are not being done”[10] that would indicate that Iran is working on nuclear weapons. Even Mossad, Israeli’s intelligence agency “does not disagree with the US on the weapons program,” according to a former senior US intelligence official.[11]

So, contrary to the claim that the West “suspects” Iran of concealing a nuclear weapons program, no one in a position of authority in the US state believes this to be true. Neither does Israeli intelligence. Why, then, is the United States and its allies subjecting ordinary Iranians to increased deprivations through sanctions?

The answer, according to Henry Kissinger, is because US policy in the Middle East for the last half century has been aimed at “preventing any power in the region from emerging as a hegemon.” This is another way of saying that the aim of US Middle East policy is to stop any Middle Eastern country from challenging its domination by the United States. Iran, Kissinger points out, has emerged as the principal challenger.[12]

Indeed, it did so as long ago as 1979, when the local extension of US power in Iran, the Shah, was overthrown, and the country set out on a path of independent economic and political development. For the revolutionaries’ boldness in asserting their sovereignty, Washington pressed Saddam Hussein’s Iraq into a war with Iran. This served the same purpose as today’s economic warfare, sabotage, threats of military intervention, and assassinations of Iran’s nuclear scientists: to weaken the country and stifle its development; to prevent it from thriving and thereby becoming an example to other countries of development possibilities outside US domination.

Uranium enrichment has emerged as point of conflict for two reasons.

First, a civilian nuclear power industry strengthens Iran economically and domestic uranium enrichment provides the country with an independent source of nuclear fuel. Were Iran to depend on the West for enriched uranium to power its reactors, it would be forever at the mercy of a hostile US state. Likewise, concern over energy security being in the hands of an outside power has led Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and South Korea to insist over US objections that they be allowed to produce nuclear fuel domestically, without sanction. With US nuclear reactor sales hanging in the balance, it appears that their wishes will be respected.[13] Iran will be uniquely denied.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286440 Feb 2, 2013
Posted with no comments- MUQ

Army Releases December 2012 and Calendar Year 2012 Suicide Information


The Army released suicide data today for the month of December and calendar year 2012. During December, among active-duty soldiers, there were seven potential suicides: three have been confirmed as suicides and four remain under investigation.

For November, the Army reported 12 potential suicides among active-duty soldiers: four have been confirmed as suicides and eight remain under investigation.

For 2012, there have been 182 potential active-duty suicides: 130 have been confirmed as suicides and 52 remain under investigation.

Active-duty suicide number for 2011: 165 confirmed as suicides and no cases under investigation.

During December, among reserve component soldiers who were not on active duty, there were 15 potential suicides (10 Army National Guard and five Army Reserve): four have been confirmed as suicides and 11 remain under investigation.

For November, among that same group, the Army reported 15 potential suicides (12 Army National Guard and three Army Reserve): 10 have been confirmed as suicides and five remain under investigation.

For 2012, there have been 143 potential not on active-duty suicides (96 Army National Guard and 47 Army Reserve): 117 have been confirmed as suicides and 26 remain under investigation.

Not on active-duty suicide numbers for 2011: 118 (82 Army National Guard and 36 Army Reserve) confirmed as suicides and no cases under investigation.

“The Army continues to take aggressive measures head-on to meet the challenge of suicides as every loss of life impacts our family,” said Lt. Gen. Howard Bromberg, deputy chief of Staff, Manpower and Personnel.(and failing miserably as they always will- MUQ!!)

“In spite of the increased loss of life to suicide, with calendar year 2012 being our highest on record, the Army is confident that through our continued emphasis in the services, programs, policies, and training that support our Army family, we will overcome this threat to our Force.

We’ve expanded the Strong Bonds Program to strengthen relationships and family bonds; broadened our training scope by certifying over three thousand additional suicide prevention trainers in the Ask, Care, Escort suicide intervention program; revised Comprehensive Soldier Fitness program to include family members (CSF2); increased our volume and availability of behavioral health services; and conducted an Army-wide stand down during Suicide Prevention Month to promote increased leaders’ awareness and involvement.

Additionally, the Army will launch its Ready and Resilient Campaign to guide our efforts to improve resilience and readiness, provide quality care, and improve the effectiveness of the programs and services to ensure comprehensive care of our soldiers, civilians and family members.”


Soldiers and families in need of crisis assistance can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.
Trained consultants are available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year and can be contacted by dialing 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or by visiting their website at
http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org .


Army leaders can access current health promotion guidance in newly revised Army Regulation 600-63 (Health Promotion) at:
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_63.p... and Army Pamphlet 600-24 (Health Promotion, Risk Reduction and Suicide Prevention) at
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/p600_24.p... .

Suicide prevention training resources for Army families can be accessed at
http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/suicide/trainin... (
ABs

Gadsden, AL

#286442 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
...
When Will the Killing War in Iran Begin? It Already Has
“Economic sanctions are, at their core, a war against public health.”–The New England Journal of Medicine [1]
...
News you will not see or hear on IRNA comrade muq...
Stupid mullah leaders of the Islamic Island Of Iran don't plan lie very well...one monkey with a mole, one without...

Iran announced with great fanfare this week that it launched a monkey into space and brought him home safely. Hold the trumpets, though: British newspapers the Times, the Telegraph, and the Independent now say, or at least strongly suggest, that Iran is lying. Why? In part because the monkey celebrated at a news conference after the supposed return trip looks different than the one that went up. One has some kind of a mole above the right eye and the other doesn't. The link to the Independent here has a decent before-and-after comparison.

"The likely explanations are either that the original monkey died during its flight and Iran didn't want to admit it, or that the flight never happened at all," writes Rosie Gray at BuzzFeed. Even before the monkey photos surfaced, BuzzFeed reported that scientists were skeptical that Iran could have achieved the feat.

Nice goings on over there in the muddle eastern islamic states of Syria, Egypt, UAE...thanks for keeping it interesting, comrade...any timeline on when the nations of islam join together?
ABs

Gadsden, AL

#286443 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
So what it needed for this thread to revive was "a small innocent comment"
Vow!!
There is nothing innocent about you, comrade MUQ...to be innocent you need to be free from hate...

Hey, speaking of hate, did you see where that pain in neck little rogue nation of the Israeli Republic of Jewdom took out that convoy of missiles heading from Syria to Hizbullah?
ABs

Gadsden, AL

#286444 Feb 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
...When Will the Killing War in Iran Begin? It Already Has
...
A story to cheer you up Comrade MUQ...News you may hear on IRNA...your thoughts?

A suicide bomber detonated his explosives outside a Catholic cathedral in northwestern Costa Rica as worshippers were leaving sunday morning prayers, killing at least 21 people and wounding 36 in the latest apparent sectarian attack in the country, police said. Roman Catholics in Costa Rica have increasingly been targeted by radical Southern Baptists who consider them heretics, and 2012 was the bloodiest year for the minority sect in the country's history.

The bomber staged his attack at one of the cathedral's exits leading to a bazaar. Most of the dead and wounded were Roman catholics, but some of the casualties were also from the country's majority sect since there is a southern baptist church nearby, said a police officer. The town of Hoboken in Rica de la Costa province has experienced conflict in the past between the Roman Catholic and Southern Baptist communities that live in the town. Both sides have attacked each other's shops and burned them...

Sound eerily familiar comrade MUQ? Your thoughts?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286445 Feb 2, 2013
39 Photos That Prove Hillary Clinton Is — And Always Has Been — A Total Badass
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinto...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286447 Feb 2, 2013
Victor Marchetti used the expression "cult of intelligence" to denounce what he viewed as a counterproductive mindset and culture of secrecy, elitism, amorality and lawlessness within and surrounding the Central Intelligence Agency in the service of American imperialism:

There exists in our nation today a powerful and dangerous secret cult -- the cult of intelligence. Its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency. Its patrons and protectors are the highest officials of the federal government. Its membership, extending far beyond governmental circles, reaches into the power centers of industry, commerce, finance, and labor. Its friends are many in the areas of important public influence -- the academic world and the communications media. The cult of intelligence is a secret fraternity of the American political aristocracy. The purpose of the cult is to further the foreign policies of the U.S. government by covert and usually illegal means, while at the same time containing the spread of its avowed enemy, communism. Traditionally, the cult's hope has been to foster a world order in which America would reign supreme, the unchallenged international leader. Today, however, that dream stands tarnished by time and frequent failures. Thus, the cult's objectives are now less grandiose, but no less disturbing. It seeks largely to advance America's self-appointed role as the dominant arbiter of social, economic, and political change in the awakening regions of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. And its worldwide war against communism has to some extent been reduced to a covert struggle to maintain a self-serving stability in the Third World, using whatever clandestine methods are available.[1]
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286448 Feb 2, 2013
In his 1978 memoir, Honorable Men: My Life in the CIA, William Colby, a former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, endorsed Marchetti's critique and adopted the use of the expression "cult of intelligence":

Socially as well as professionally they cliqued together, forming a sealed fraternity. They ate together at their own special favorite restaurants; they partied almost only among themselves; their families drifted to each other, so their defenses did not always have to be up. In this way they increasingly separated themselves from the ordinary world and developed a rather skewed view of that world. Their own dedicated double life became the proper norm, and they looked down on the life of the rest of the citizenry. And out of this grew what was later named -- and condemned -- as the "cult" of intelligence, an inbred, distorted, elitist view of intelligence that held it to be above the normal processes of society, with its own rationale and justification, beyond the restraints of the Constitution, which applied to everything and everyone else.[7]
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286449 Feb 2, 2013
Victor L. Marchetti, Jr.(born December 23, 1929)[1] is a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and a prominent paleoconservative critic of the United States Intelligence Community and the Israel lobby in the United States.[2]

While serving as an active-duty American soldier, Marchetti was recruited into the intelligence agencies in 1952 during the Cold War to engage in espionage against East Germany. Marchetti joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1955, working as a specialist on the USSR. He was a leading CIA expert on Third World aid, with a focus on USSR military supplies to Cuba after the end of the Kennedy administration.

In 1966 Marchetti was promoted to the office of special assistant to the Chief of Planning, Programming, and Budgeting, and a special assistant to CIA Director Richard Helms. Within three years Marchetti became disillusioned with the policies and practices of the CIA, and resigned in 1969, writing an exposé of the CIA in a book published in 1971 entitled The Rope Dancer.[3]

Later Marchetti published books critical of the CIA with author John D. Marks. The books included, The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence (1973).[4] Before this book was published, the CIA demanded that Marchetti remove 399 passages, but Marchetti stood firm and only 168 passages were censored. It is the first book the federal government of the United States ever went to court to censor before its publication. The publisher (Alfred A. Knopf) chose to publish the book with blanks for censored passages and with boldface type for passages that were challenged but later uncensored. The publication of this book was one of the events that led to the establishment of the Church Committee by Frank Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Marchetti
rider

Gwinn, MI

#286450 Feb 2, 2013
Propaganda and Disinformation:
How the CIA Manufactures History

By Victor Marchetti

In the eyes of posterity it will inevitably seem that, in safeguarding our freedom, we destroyed it. The vast clandestine apparatus we built up to prove our enemies' resources and intentions only served in the end to confuse our own purposes; that practice of deceiving others for the good of the state led infallibly to our deceiving ourselves; and that vast army of clandestine personnel built up to execute these purposes were soon caught up in the web of their own sick fantasies, with disastrous consequences for them and us.

-- Malcom Muggeridge, May 1966
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p305_Marchetti....
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Frackville, PA

#286451 Feb 3, 2013
Beat the Ravens Nevermore!
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Frackville, PA

#286452 Feb 3, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Fox News. Protecting us from Absolute Power everyday
How true
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286454 Feb 3, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Beat the Ravens Nevermore!
Just do it...
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286455 Feb 3, 2013
Spocko wrote:
39 Photos That Prove Hillary Clinton Is — And Always Has Been — A Total Badass
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinto...
What...no pictures of whitewater and murder for hire?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286456 Feb 3, 2013
More news for MUQ...you will not hear on Fox or CNN

At least 33 people were killed in the Costa Rican city of Hoboken on Sunday when a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives outside a police headquarters and gunmen disguised as officers tried to storm the compound.

The blast was the third major attack in weeks in or near the multiethnic city of Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists, at the heart of a dispute between Cosa Rica's central Roman Catholic government and the autonomous Hoboken Southern Baptist region.

Police said the bomber triggered the huge blast near a side entrance to the police building, demolishing part of a government office nearby.

"A suicide bomber driving a vehicle packed with explosives hit the entrance of the headquarters and after the blast gunmen in explosive vests attacked with AK47s and grenades, but the guards killed them," a police official said.

Guards and emergency workers dragged bloodied survivors onto stretchers amid the wreckage of the blast, which left a large crater in the street.

Police said 33 were killed, including 12 employees at the government office. But a health official said only 16 bodies were at a hospital morgue and more than 90 were wounded.

The attack comes as insurgents linked to Al Southa Baptistes try to inflame sectarian conflict in Costa Rica, where a power-sharing government split among Southern Baptist majority and Southern Baptist minoity has been in crisis since the last U.S. troops left decades ago.

Seems the catholics and the baptists could learn from the relgion of peace how to get along, eh MUQ?
IAVA org

Bay Shore, NY

#286457 Feb 3, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Beat the Ravens Nevermore!
Good Luck.
VoteVets org

Bay Shore, NY

#286460 Feb 3, 2013
Turn out the lights....

.... The party is over!

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