'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286270 Jan 19, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Everything is up in the air.
Thank Goodness for George Bush
What happened to GWB the Great? Is he dead by any chance? When would US Voters (those who re-elected him) would throw stones at his grave?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286271 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What happened to GWB the Great? Is he dead by any chance? When would US Voters (those who re-elected him) would throw stones at his grave?
No stones for George...he is a hero. Of course you know that the same people who were pulling gwb's strings are now pulling obumble the magnificent's.
Just curious, do you support the french intervention in mali or do you support the muslim hoardes of the north who are raping, pillaging and massacreing those who will not succumb to their allah?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286272 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. The “Fight” between sources of truth and falsehood is al long as the history of mankind itself! And that fight is being fought on all fronts.
We are told to resist evil by whatever means we have, so the “fight” could be on computer screens and on Newspapers and on every front.
02. Muslims and Jews were coexisting for past 1300 years till the Ashkenazi Jews started this movement that “Palestine belongs to Jews and to Jews only”.
And most of White Christian nations of Europe supported this claim and caused the problem which we have in ME for past 60 years and it would soon engulf the whole world into it.
Unless you solve the root cause of the problem, your “wish” for peaceful co-existence is only a pipe dream.
You cannot attain permanent peace if the root of injustice is not removed.
]
1. Interesting, comrade. You are told to resist and fight by whom? Did not one of your great profits tell the world to turn the other cheek? Were you not taught to love one another as you would love yourself? Funny thing, I did not see any exclusions written about jews in either the Quran or the bible...

2. And beyond 1300 years ago muslims did NOT exist so do not understand your point. One thing that the world has witnessed since the spread of islam, fanatical muslims are at the root of all that is wrong with the world and it is good muslims like yourself that allow yourselves to be drug down by supporting the actions of the fanatics just because they are muslim, right or wrong and to the gates of hail...I do not understand this concept.

Besides, you state the jews and jews ONLY belong to palestine, whi is it that there are so many non-jews in Israel? How many jews are in Gaza?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286273 Jan 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
Wake up America!
Aside from the terrible loss of life and a barrage of nonsense put out by the NRA, the most insulting assault on public sensibility may be the shameless attempts by the right-wingers to suggest irrational alternatives to sensible gun laws. They seem incapable of grasping the gravity of what happened in Newtown or, like Rush Limbaugh, have the temerity to make light of it with ill-chosen attempts at humor, seem to have lost the capacity to think and feel like descent human beings. It is almost impossible to underestimate the depravity of those in our society who are beyond the reach of decency, having given themselves over to the lowest impulses on the planet in their perverted salute to money lenders and political savages on the far right. The fact that Limbaugh and others like him have grown rich spewing their hate-filled vitriol across the airwaves is a frightening indictment of the kind of behavior we have come to accept.
Are you disappointed, granpa? One would think that organizations like the ACL-lulu would prosper under the auspices of a liberal president...but as has been the case so many more times under obumble's watch versus bushbot's watch...the ACL-lulu's take another major loss...

The American Civil Liberties Union ended its legal challenge Friday to a Kansas law restricting private health insurance coverage for abortions.

A court filing shows the parties have agreed to dismiss all remaining claims, with each side bearing its own costs and attorneys' fees.

The agreement follows a federal judge's Jan. 7 ruling that, as a matter of law, the ACLU failed to provide any evidence that the Legislature's predominant motivation in passing the 2011 law was to make it more difficult to get abortions.
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286274 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
As Washington seeks to surveil the globe from space, the world might well ask: Just how high is national sovereignty? Absent any international agreement about the vertical extent of sovereign airspace (since a conference on international air law, convened in Paris in 1910, failed), some puckish Pentagon lawyer might reply: only as high as you can enforce it. And Washington has filled this legal void with a secret executive matrix -- operated by the CIA and the clandestine Special Operations Command -- that assigns names arbitrarily, without any judicial oversight, to a classified “kill list” that means silent, sudden death from the sky for terror suspects across the Muslim world.
Although U.S. plans for space warfare remain highly classified, it is possible to assemble the pieces of this aerospace puzzle by trolling the Pentagon’s websites, and finding many of the key components in technical descriptions at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). As early as 2020, the Pentagon hopes to patrol the entire globe ceaselessly, relentlessly via a triple canopy space shield reaching from stratosphere to exosphere, driven by drones armed with agile missiles, linked by a resilient modular satellite system, monitored through a telescopic panopticon, and operated by robotic controls.
Do you recall a while back what I told you, comrade muq? I told you that there appears to be more stars in the sky then there used to be...maybe now you will listen...and one day you will realize that the islamic caliphate of submit or die is a directive from a mad man, not a prophet...time to wake up and smell the camel dung, my friend, and realize that indeed the world is not flat and indeed it is physically impossible for the moon to split in half...amd that if prophets can be wrong about those two things, they could be wrong about other things as well........perhap?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286275 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
...You cannot attain permanent peace if the root of injustice is not removed.
]
Permanent??? The ONLY thing in life that is permanent is death comrade...but I would settle for just a couple of years of peace across the lands of islam in my lifetime, how about you MUQ? Any chance of that happenning?
ABs

Atlanta, GA

#286276 Jan 19, 2013
Spocko wrote:
Wake up America!
Just curious ann again spocktoid...should the rightwingers vote to raise the debt ceiling..........AGAIN?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286278 Jan 19, 2013
Unlike ants, humans do not have a clue what their purpose is on this planet &#61514;
http://laughingsquid.com/a-burning-man-for-an...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286279 Jan 19, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Beyond Bayonets and Battleships
Space Warfare and the Future of U.S. Global Power

By Alfred W. McCoy
(Contd.)

At the lowest tier of this emerging U.S. aerospace shield, within striking distance of Earth in the lower stratosphere, the Pentagon is building an armada of 99 Global Hawk drones equipped with high-resolution cameras capable of surveilling all terrain within a 100-mile radius, electronic sensors to intercept communications, efficient engines for continuous 24-hour flights, and eventually Triple Terminator missiles to destroy targets below. By late 2011, the Air Force and the CIA had already ringed the Eurasian land mass with a network of 60 bases for drones armed with Hellfire missiles and GBU-30 bombs, allowing air strikes against targets just about anywhere in Europe, Africa, or Asia.

The sophistication of the technology at this level was exposed in December 2011 when one of the CIA’s RQ-170 Sentinels came down in Iran. Revealed was a bat-winged drone equipped with radar-evading stealth capacity, active electronically scanned array radar, and advanced optics “that allow operators to positively identify terror suspects from tens of thousands of feet in the air.”

If things go according to plan, in this same lower tier at altitudes up to 12 miles unmanned aircraft such as the “Vulture,” with solar panels covering its massive 400-foot wingspan, will be patrolling the globe ceaselessly for up to five years at a time with sensors for “unblinking” surveillance, and possibly missiles for lethal strikes. Establishing the viability of this new technology, NASA’s solar-powered aircraft Pathfinder, with a 100-foot wingspan, reached an altitude of 71,500 feet altitude in 1997, and its fourth-generation successor the “Helios” flew at 97,000 feet with a 247-foot wingspan in 2001, two miles higher than any previous aircraft.

For the next tier above the Earth, in the upper stratosphere, DARPA and the Air Force are collaborating in the development of the Falcon Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle. Flying at an altitude of 20 miles, it is expected to “deliver 12,000 pounds of payload at a distance of 9,000 nautical miles from the continental United States in less than two hours.” Although the first test launches in April 2010 and August 2011 crashed midflight, they did reach an amazing 13,000 miles per hour, 22 times the speed of sound, and sent back “unique data” that should help resolve remaining aerodynamic problems.

At the outer level of this triple-tier aerospace canopy, the age of space warfare dawned in April 2010 when the Pentagon quietly launched the X-37B space drone, an unmanned craft just 29 feet long, into an orbit 250 miles above the Earth. By the time its second prototype landed at Vandenberg Air Force Base in June 2012 after a 15-month flight, this classified mission represented a successful test of “robotically controlled reusable spacecraft” and established the viability of unmanned space drones in the exosphere.

At this apex of the triple canopy, 200 miles above Earth where the space drones will soon roam, orbital satellites are the prime targets, a vulnerability that became obvious in 2007 when China used a ground-to-air missile to shoot down one of its own satellites. In response, the Pentagon is now developing the F-6 satellite system that will “decompose a large monolithic spacecraft into a group of wirelessly linked elements, or nodes [that increases] resistance to... a bad part breaking or an adversary attacking.” And keep in mind that the X-37B has a capacious cargo bay to carry missiles or future laser weaponry to knock out enemy satellites -- in other words, the potential capability to cripple the communications of a future military rival like China, which will have its own global satellite system operational by 2020.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286280 Jan 19, 2013
Ultimately, the impact of this third information regime will be shaped by the ability of the U.S. military to integrate its array of global aerospace weaponry into a robotic command structure that would be capable of coordinating operations across all combat domains: space, cyberspace, sky, sea, and land. To manage the surging torrent of information within this delicately balanced triple canopy, the system would, in the end, have to become self-maintaining through “robotic manipulator technologies,” such as the Pentagon’s FREND system that someday could potentially deliver fuel, provide repairs, or reposition satellites.

For a new global optic, DARPA is building the wide-angle Space Surveillance Telescope (SST), which could be sited at bases ringing the globe for a quantum leap in "space surveillance.” The system would allow future space warriors to see the whole sky wrapped around the entire planet while seated before a single screen, making it possible to track every object in Earth orbit.

Operation of this complex worldwide apparatus will require, as one DARPA official explained in 2007, "an integrated collection of space surveillance systems -- an architecture -- that is leak-proof." Thus, by 2010, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency had 16,000 employees, a $5 billion budget, and a massive $2 billion headquarters at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, with 8,500 staffers wrapped in electronic security -- all aimed at coordinating the flood of surveillance data pouring in from Predators, Reapers, U-2 spy planes, Global Hawks, X-37B space drones, Google Earth, Space Surveillance Telescopes, and orbiting satellites. By 2020 or thereafter -- such a complex techno-system is unlikely to respect schedules -- this triple canopy should be able to atomize a single “terrorist” with a missile strike after tracking his eyeball, facial image, or heat signature for hundreds of miles through field and favela, or blind an entire army by knocking out all ground communications, avionics, and naval navigation.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286281 Jan 20, 2013
AB s wrote:
1. No stones for George...he is a hero. Of course you know that the same people who were pulling gwb's strings are now pulling obumble the magnificent's.
Just curious, do you support the french intervention in mali or do you support the muslim hoardes of the north who are raping, pillaging and massacreing those who will not succumb to their allah?

2. 1. Interesting, comrade. You are told to resist and fight by whom? Did not one of your great profits tell the world to turn the other cheek? Were you not taught to love one another as you would love yourself? Funny thing, I did not see any exclusions written about jews in either the Quran or the bible...

2. And beyond 1300 years ago muslims did NOT exist so do not understand your point. One thing that the world has witnessed since the spread of islam, fanatical muslims are at the root of all that is wrong with the world and it is good muslims like yourself that allow yourselves to be drug down by supporting the actions of the fanatics just because they are muslim, right or wrong and to the gates of hail...I do not understand this concept.

Besides, you state the jews and jews ONLY belong to palestine, whi is it that there are so many non-jews in Israel? How many jews are in Gaza?

3. Do you recall a while back what I told you, comrade muq? I told you that there appears to be more stars in the sky then there used to be...maybe now you will listen...and one day you will realize that the islamic caliphate of submit or die is a directive from a mad man, not a prophet...time to wake up and smell the camel dung, my friend, and realize that indeed the world is not flat and indeed it is physically impossible for the moon to split in half...amd that if prophets can be wrong about those two things, they could be wrong about other things as well........perhap?
Ans.

01. Yes GEB the Great is a hero, I am one of his secret admirer! He did for USA which no other president did in my memory.

What he did would take more than 100 years to be undone. Poor Obama, he is no match for GWB the great. He did not had guts to undo what GWB the Great had started.

He just followed the same course and that is why he got all that flack…. But see, he also got re-elected, same as GWB the Great!! So there is "advantage" if you follow GWB the Great, you will get re-elected!!

02. No we were not taught to turn the other check… we have the "Right" to strike back who slaps on our cheek. However if "we" forgive, it would be better.

03. Who told you that before 1400 years, No Muslims existed in the world? All prophets of God were Muslims?

Do you mean to say that Adam. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob,……Moses,….David….John the Baptists…and Jesus were Jews or Christians?

Was jesus a Christian? Are you idiot.

04. There was No Jew in Palestine when Muslims took it from Byzantine Empire in 650 CE!! It were Muslims who "allowed" the Jews to settle in Palestine and now look what has happened the same Jews are saying "from where Muslims have come"? You do not know the history of Palestine, do you?

05. You have no information about our prophet or Earliest Islamic Caliphs.

Our prophet "Never said" Islam or die!! The total human casualties in his 10 years of fighting (on both side) do not even reach 1000! How come this fits "islam or die" theory of yours?

What you need Comrade is to "read" Life history of our prophet from an authentic source.!!
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Frackville, PA

#286283 Jan 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Yes GEB the Great is a hero, I am one of his secret admirer! He did for USA which no other president did in my memory.
What he did would take more than 100 years to be undone. Poor Obama, he is no match for GWB the great. He did not had guts to undo what GWB the Great had started.
He just followed the same course and that is why he got all that flack…. But see, he also got re-elected, same as GWB the Great!! So there is "advantage" if you follow GWB the Great, you will get re-elected!!
02. No we were not taught to turn the other check… we have the "Right" to strike back who slaps on our cheek. However if "we" forgive, it would be better.
03. Who told you that before 1400 years, No Muslims existed in the world? All prophets of God were Muslims?
Do you mean to say that Adam. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob,……Moses,….David….John the Baptists…and Jesus were Jews or Christians?
Was jesus a Christian? Are you idiot.
04. There was No Jew in Palestine when Muslims took it from Byzantine Empire in 650 CE!! It were Muslims who "allowed" the Jews to settle in Palestine and now look what has happened the same Jews are saying "from where Muslims have come"? You do not know the history of Palestine, do you?
05. You have no information about our prophet or Earliest Islamic Caliphs.
Our prophet "Never said" Islam or die!! The total human casualties in his 10 years of fighting (on both side) do not even reach 1000! How come this fits "islam or die" theory of yours?
What you need Comrade is to "read" Life history of our prophet from an authentic source.!!
Don't you remember who whispered in George Bush's ear?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#286284 Jan 20, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you remember who whispered in George Bush's ear?
May be he was OBL?!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#286285 Jan 20, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Beyond Bayonets and Battleships
Space Warfare and the Future of U.S. Global Power

By Alfred W. McCoy
(Contd.)

Technological Dominion or Techno-Disaster?

Peering into the future, a still uncertain balance of forces offers two competing scenarios for the continuation of U.S. global power. If all or much goes according to plan, sometime in the third decade of this century the Pentagon will complete a comprehensive global surveillance system for Earth, sky, and space using robotics to coordinate a veritable flood of data from biometric street-level monitoring, cyber-data mining, a worldwide network of Space Surveillance Telescopes, and triple canopy aeronautic patrols. Through agile data management of exceptional power, this system might allow the United States a veto of global lethality, an equalizer for any further loss of economic strength.

However, as in Vietnam, history offers some pessimistic parallels when it comes to the U.S. preserving its global hegemony by militarized technology alone. Even if this robotic information regime could somehow check China’s growing military power, the U.S. might still have the same chance of controlling wider geopolitical forces with aerospace technology as the Third Reich had of winning World War II with its “super weapons”-- V-2 rockets that rained death on London and Messerschmitt Me-262 jets that blasted allied bombers from Europe’s skies. Complicating the future further, the illusion of information omniscience might incline Washington to more military misadventures akin to Vietnam or Iraq, creating the possibility of yet more expensive, draining conflicts, from Iran to the South China Sea.

If the future of America’s world power is shaped by actual events rather than long-term economic trends, then its fate might well be determined by which comes first in this century-long cycle: military debacle from the illusion of technological mastery, or a new technological regime powerful enough to perpetuate U.S. global dominion.

Alfred W. McCoy is the J.R.W. Smail Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. A TomDispatch regular, he is the lead author of Endless Empire: Spain’s Retreat, Europe’s Eclipse, America’s Decline (University of Wisconsin, 2012), which is the source for much of the material in this essay.

Follow TomDispatch on Twitter @TomDispatch and join us on Facebook. Check out the newest Dispatch book, Nick Turse’s The Changing Face of Empire: Special Ops, Drones, Proxy Fighters, Secret Bases, and Cyberwarfare.

This article was originally posted at TomDispatch
Copyright 2012 Alfred W. McCoy
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Frackville, PA

#286286 Jan 20, 2013
Beat the Ravens nevermore
ABs

Ellenwood, GA

#286290 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
May be he was OBL?!!
And maybe the moon did not split as it was later discovered the world was not flat and the sun did not rotate around it.......just maybe....

But I have to believe it was the muslim god that talked to gwb...had to be, right...I mean it HAD to be muslim loving allah because that is the one and only true creator...all other fake religions and their fake allahs are wrong, right muq?
ABs

Ellenwood, GA

#286291 Jan 21, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Beat the Ravens nevermore
Congrats...nice to see the forgiven double murderer slay thongwearer brady and mush his perfect hair...one more for ray!
ABs

Ellenwood, GA

#286293 Jan 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
...
03. Who told you that before 1400 years, No Muslims existed in the world? All prophets of God were Muslims?
Do you mean to say that Adam. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob,……Moses,….David….John the Baptists…and Jesus were Jews or Christians?
Was jesus a Christian? Are you idiot.
Next you ar going to try to sell me on the idea that abrahim and adam were muslims...lol...go ahead, tell me that please? Then next you can tel me that anyone who submits to god is muslim...you are so predictable, comrade MUQ. But I wish you well
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286294 Jan 21, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
Beat the Ravens nevermore
The Kaepernick legend has begun!
He wins the Super Bowl in two weeks, then maybe another, then maybe another two or three. There is no escaping the magnitude of this -- anything less than a title (or three) would be much too small. Anything less than a ring -- and probably a Super Bowl MVP trophy -- would be unworthy ...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286295 Jan 21, 2013
If history is reliable conservatism is dead – the GOP is done, they overplayed their hand!
The ideology of suburbia ("porky populism") with its gun-a-holics, its hatred of organic food, gays and fetishistic attachment to SUVs and Wal-Mart and the most intense expressions of heartland Protestantism, together with certain Southern good ol’ boy attitudes of overt racism and a scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-y ours nation, are the mold of GOP and “conservative” identity. The financial and neoconservative elites have designed ideologies of their own to integrate with this matrix: neo-cons spin their foreign policy as an expression of values (God and America are practically the same thing, aren’t they?), as a token of Protestant-Jewish solidarity (blind support for Israel), and as necessary for national honor and the Southern economy (wars and military bases). Wall Street relies on Mitt’s 47 percent myth: the people who aren’t part of the GOP coalition are lazy and lack self-responsibility; i.e., they are sinful and un-Protestant, while the Gospel makes you rich and happy. GOP is not even a political party any longer. It is a group of ersatz leaders that provides an outlet for whatever the most intense irrational anxieties are at the moment. Cable, radio talk and internet bloggers have allowed a division and radicalization of lunatic talk so that it is no longer humanly possible for the GOP to put a humane face over the patchwork of crazy fear/ hate positions of senseless idiocy!
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-09-14/n...

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