'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276631 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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Therealnews com

Garden City, NY

#286170 Jan 6, 2013
Iraq, 1917
http://tinyurl.com/raud8

They came as liberators but were met by fierce resistance outside Baghdad. Humiliating treatment of prisoners and heavy-handed action in Najaf and Fallujah further alienated the local population. A planned handover of power proved unworkable. Britain's 1917 occupation of Iraq holds uncanny parallels with today - and if we want to know what will happen there next, we need only turn to our history books...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
UdiotRaceMAKEWOR LDPEACE

United States

#286171 Jan 6, 2013
Egyptian Human Rights Activist Saad Eddin Ibrahim Defies Threats, Arrests to Challenge U.S.-Backed Mubarak Government
www.democracynow.com . October 10, 2007
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I have been critical of President Mubarak and his regime, and it was a peaceful criticism, presenting a different point of view on public policy and on some of his actions to install his -- or to groom his son to succeed him after twenty-six years of being a ruler of Egypt, the third-longest ruler in our history, in 6,000-year history. And yet, he wants to groom his son to succeed him. And I blew the whistle simply on that.

I have been critical of President Mubarak and his regime, and it was a peaceful criticism, presenting a different point of view on public policy and on some of his actions to install his -- or to groom his son to succeed him after twenty-six years of being a ruler of Egypt, the third-longest ruler in our history, in 6,000-year history. And yet, he wants to groom his son to succeed him. And I blew the whistle simply on that.

I also blew the whistle on his attempt to eliminate any potential contenders or competitors with his son, including, you know, some journalists who are disappeared, including the nephews of the late President Anwar al-Sadat, who are about the same age as his son and who also are politically active, and they are potential contenders. And he stripped them of their parliamentary immunity. They were members of Parliament, elected for the second time. So he is trying to eliminate everybody. And in the process, he tried to eliminate me, as well. And we have heard rumors, rampant rumors in the country, that there is a death squad attached to the presidency.
UdiotRaceMAKEWOR LDPEACE

United States

#286172 Jan 6, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
So then are you good with the way things are currently playing out in Syria?
our US not gonna do anything for syrians people, all our US war/oil profiteers want is blody oil. Our us already in war debt is over trillion US dollar/year and every year our us spend on illicit wars overseascan be put to rebuilt our DeprePIT US infrastruture, and put to Job development and education, Medicare, Social security increases... this bankrupting US financially and morally as nations and these illicit incite and increase rollback of enemies who wants us American out of their countries , our US is waging to many wars worldwide.
Republican Mafia

France

#286173 Jan 6, 2013
"Nice country you got there ..." drawls Mitch McConnell, ranking Republican in the US Senate. "Shame if anything were to happen to it."

Sounds like a Mafiosi engaging in a protection racket. Apparently, that is exactly what the American Republican Party has in mind for Americans. The Republicans are threatening to "burn down the country" by failing to raise the debt limit if their demands are not met.

I always thought Republicans hated America. Their heroes, like Mitt Romney, put all of their money overseas in offshore investments in the Cayman Islands or Switzerland. Big Republican-led corporations move their headquarters overseas, to avoid US taxes and regulations, and they move production overseas to avoid paying fair wages to American workers. So it is natural that Republicans are willing to destroy America in their effort to achieve their narrow agenda.

The really great thing, if there is a great thing, about reneging on the US debt obligations by refusing to raise the debt limit is that it will really hurt the rich. Their investments will plummet in value. Sure, everyone will lose, but billionaires have a lot more to lose than perhaps a homeless veteran living under a bridge in Cincinnati.

Obama has said he is not bargaining on this one. We all know Republicans love money more than anything else. So Obama has made the decision to let them tear down their own playhouse.

The Republicans destroyed the value of US real estate in 2007. The Republicans destroyed the value of equities in 2007, ruining many 401K plans. It only makes sense that the Republicans will continue their "scorched earth" policies by further destroying investment and property values, while at the same time increasing the interest rates as a result of a default on the US-backed securities.
uIDIOTraceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#286174 Jan 6, 2013
Republican Mafia wrote:
"Nice country you got there ..." drawls Mitch McConnell, ranking Republican in the US Senate. "Shame if anything were to happen to it."
Sounds like a Mafiosi engaging in a protection racket. Apparently, that is exactly what the American Republican Party has in mind for Americans. The Republicans are threatening to "burn down the country" by failing to raise the debt limit if their demands are not met.
I always thought Republicans hated America. Their heroes, like Mitt Romney, put all of their money overseas in offshore investments in the Cayman Islands or Switzerland. Big Republican-led corporations move their headquarters overseas, to avoid US taxes and regulations, and they move production overseas to avoid paying fair wages to American workers. So it is natural that Republicans are willing to destroy America in their effort to achieve their narrow agenda.
The really great thing, if there is a great thing, about reneging on the US debt obligations by refusing to raise the debt limit is that it will really hurt the rich. Their investments will plummet in value. Sure, everyone will lose, but billionaires have a lot more to lose than perhaps a homeless veteran living under a bridge in Cincinnati.
Obama has said he is not bargaining on this one. We all know Republicans love money more than anything else. So Obama has made the decision to let them tear down their own playhouse.
The Republicans destroyed the value of US real estate in 2007. The Republicans destroyed the value of equities in 2007, ruining many 401K plans. It only makes sense that the Republicans will continue their "scorched earth" policies by further destroying investment and property values, while at the same time increasing the interest rates as a result of a default on the US-backed securities.
Both party is really corrupted beyond repair sold to US corporatist.
Funding
Obama = Goldman sach...
Romney = Goldman Sach

what does taht tell you?
rider

Marquette, MI

#286175 Jan 7, 2013
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286176 Jan 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief
By Gary Brumback (contd.)
Gender
2. Moral frailty....
News you will not see on IRNA or Al Jazeera...be careful what you say about the emir...
A Kuwaiti man will spend the next two years of his life in prison over a tweet, as the Gulf nation continues its crackdown on dissent in social media. The man, who has 5,700 Twitter followers, received a 2-year sentence for a tweet deemed to have "stabbed the rights and powers" of the country's ruler, Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmad al-Saba, Reuters reports. Small-scale demonstrations on local issues are tolerated in Kuwait, but the country has so far avoided Arab-Spring style mass unrest.

MUQ, why you people so sensitive about words over there? And when will spring arise in that repressive Kuwaiti society? Why emir treated like muhammid? Cannot say anything or draw a cartoon of him without someone getting upset and off with their head...you people need to lighten up...1400 plus years of war and killing is enough don't you think?
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286177 Jan 7, 2013
UdiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>our US not gonna do anything for syrians people, all our US war/oil profiteers want is blody oil. Our us already in war debt is over trillion US dollar/year and every year our us spend on illicit wars overseascan be put to rebuilt our DeprePIT US infrastruture, and put to Job development and education, Medicare, Social security increases... this bankrupting US financially and morally as nations and these illicit incite and increase rollback of enemies who wants us American out of their countries , our US is waging to many wars worldwide.
I agree that Obumble is waging to many wars, however how long do we sit idly by and watch the genocide continue while NO MUSLIM nations are willing to step up and do something about the slaughter in Syria? Perhaps MUQ knows if you do not...
rider

Marquette, MI

#286178 Jan 7, 2013
The Act merged the Department of War and the Department of the Navy into the National Military Establishment, headed by the Secretary of Defense. It was also responsible for the creation of a Department of the Air Force which made the Army Air Forces into its own service. Initially, each of the three service secretaries maintained quasi-cabinet status, but the act was amended on August 10, 1949, to assure their subordination to the Secretary of Defense. At the same time, the NME was renamed as the Department of Defense. The purpose was to unify the Army, Navy, and what was soon to become the Air Force into a federated structure.[2]

Aside from the military reorganization, the act established the National Security Council, a central place of coordination for national security policy in the executive branch, and the Central Intelligence Agency, the U.S.'s first peacetime intelligence agency. The function of the council was to advise the president on domestic, foreign, and military policies so that they may cooperate more tightly and efficiently. Departments in the government were encouraged to voice their opinions to the council in order to make a more sound decision.[2]

The Joint Chiefs of Staff was officially established under Title II, Section 211 of the original National Security Act of 1947 before Sections 209–214 of Title II were repealed by the law enacting Title 10[3] and Title 32,[4] United States Code (Act of August 10, 1956, 70A Stat. 676) to replace them.

The act and its changes, along with the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan, were major components of the Truman administration's Cold War strategy.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286179 Jan 7, 2013
rider wrote:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com /911-decade/
Still throwing out those toddies with no chasers??? Sorry, not drinking...chaser please Lane...
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286180 Jan 7, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
For hell why should I check the reality for any fancy phantasm?
So that you and I can play golf together in the kingdom of eternity...I hear the weather is perfect everyday...
rider

Marquette, MI

#286181 Jan 7, 2013
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286182 Jan 7, 2013
MUQ, please dress apropriately when traveling back home for holiday...and make sure your underwear are clean, just in case one of these have to frisk you for looking suspicious...
India is taking a tangible first step to address concerns that its largely male police departments look the other way when it comes to rapes and sexual assaults: It's recruiting women to the force, reports Pakistan Today. Each precinct in New Delhi, where last month's gang rape took place, must add 12 women in the coming months, says the nation's interior minister. Overall, 2,500 female officers will be recruited, reports the Wall Street Journal.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286183 Jan 7, 2013
rider wrote:
The Act merged the Department of War and the Department of the Navy into the National Military Establishment, headed by the Secretary of Defense. It was also responsible for the creation of a Department of the Air Force which made the Army Air Forces into its own service. Initially, each of the three service secretaries maintained quasi-cabinet status, but the act was amended on August 10, 1949, to assure their subordination to the Secretary of Defense. At the same time, the NME was renamed as the Department of Defense. The purpose was to unify the Army, Navy, and what was soon to become the Air Force into a federated structure.[2]
Aside from the military reorganization, the act established the National Security Council, a central place of coordination for national security policy in the executive branch, and the Central Intelligence Agency, the U.S.'s first peacetime intelligence agency. The function of the council was to advise the president on domestic, foreign, and military policies so that they may cooperate more tightly and efficiently. Departments in the government were encouraged to voice their opinions to the council in order to make a more sound decision.[2]
The Joint Chiefs of Staff was officially established under Title II, Section 211 of the original National Security Act of 1947 before Sections 209–214 of Title II were repealed by the law enacting Title 10[3] and Title 32,[4] United States Code (Act of August 10, 1956, 70A Stat. 676) to replace them.
The act and its changes, along with the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan, were major components of the Truman administration's Cold War strategy.
Just fyi...cold war over, we won...sorry henry
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286184 Jan 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief
By Gary Brumback (contd.)
Gender
Need more be said? In the corporate world males sit atop the glass ceiling. Atop the political world is always a male warrior-in-chief. Wars throughout history have been started and fought by males with very few exceptions (Cleopatra and Margaret Thatcher, for example). America has always been a male dominated and aggressive society. While testosterone may play a tiny role in a president’s aggression, it is to other personal characteristics and their circumstances we must look for primary explanations.
Character flaws...
News you will not hear on IRNA...It feels as if even God has turned against this land of Islam...
When the potent mix of cold weather and windless days hits Tehran, so does pollution so thick that it shuts down buildings and stings the eyes and throat, prompting calls to stay indoors. Schools, banks, and government buildings were closed for five days last week in an effort to cut down on the yearly yellow fog that blankets the city, the New York Times reports. State radio told listeners that to go outside Saturday would essentially be "suicide." "It feels as if even God has turned against us," says one resident.

The Times puts the pollution in context: Tehran claims almost four times the polluting particles per cubic meter as Los Angeles, and three Iranian towns are on the World Health Organization's list of the 10 most polluted cities on the planet. Now, respiratory disease, heart disease, and certain cancers are on the rise, according to the country's health ministry.
ABs

Aiken, SC

#286185 Jan 7, 2013
News you will not read or hear on IRNA or Al Jazeera...

A woman who beat her 7-year-old son to death for failing to memorize Koran passages today was sentenced to life in a UK court, the BBC reports. Sara Ege, 33, had initially admitted to killing son Yaseen in 2010, but later retracted her confession and accused her husband of the murder. The couple had enrolled the boy in advanced classes at their mosque in the hopes that he would become Hafiz (a person who memorizes the Koran), but she was frustrated when Yaseen couldn't learn the passages.

"In killing your son you abused a precious relationship of trust which does and should exist between a parent and a child," said the judge, adding that Ege had been beating Yaseen for three months prior to his murder. The child had been kept home from school on the day of his death to study the holy book. In her confession, Ege described seeing Yaseen collapse, "still murmuring" excerpts from the Koran, but she thought he was "just tired." After he died, Ege set fire to her son's body. Authorities initially believed he had died in a fire, but later found he had been dead hours before.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286188 Jan 8, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief

By Gary Brumback (contd.)
5. Global enticements. Globalization is the contemporary euphemism for imperialism. The globe is one giant opportunity for market expansion, resource exploitation and political manipulation. The prospect of installing or protecting dictatorships in the pretext of spreading and defending freedom is just too much of a temptation for CEOs and U.S. presidents alike to resist. The duplicitous and hypocritical Ike with his farewell address warning of the very military industrial complex over which he had presided was a supreme master of secret military operations carried out by the CIA to replace democratically elected presidents with dictators who protected corporate investments and operations and opened up for them rich resources like oil and minerals.

6. The powerful corpocracy. The first five circumstantial factors are all part and parcel of this sixth one, the powerful corpocracy. It took me about 10 years to study and then write a book about what the corpocracy is, what it does, and how it can be ended and democracy reclaimed.6 A U.S. president is a member of the corpocracy and is influenced by it, especially when it comes to making decisions about military interventions.

Are grave-sending U.S. presidents surrogate murderers?

A murder happens when someone is killed intentionally. A surrogate is someone acting on the behalf of someone else. If you accept these definitions, does it not follow that the making and selling of murderous weapons and the authorization by agents at the highest levels of government of the use of those weapons is a form of surrogate murder? And if men, women and children not targeted for killing but killed as part of the “collateral damage,” is that not a form of involuntary homicide or manslaughter?
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286189 Jan 8, 2013
The best countries to be born in are small, peaceful, homogenous, liberal democracies.
Of course for the right-wing troglodytes it’s a conspiracy ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldview...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#286191 Jan 9, 2013
What is with the freakeing GOPers, haven’t they done enough damage yet?
With the economy on the brink of disaster, American taxpayers bailed out the insurance giant to the tune of $182 billion. Now Maurice Greenberg, its former CEO and Republican troglodyte, is leading a lawsuit that claims shareholders didn't get fair compensation.
The suit is being filed by maybe the biggest douche-bag of all time, Hank Greenberg (and his company, Starr International), a man who has not only been proven to be corrupt and a fraud, but who perhaps more than anyone else was responsible for the galactic balance-sheet goat-fuck that caused AIG's implosion in the first place. If there is such a person as an innocent AIG shareholder who was harmed by the government's conduct, it sure as hell isn't Hank Greenberg. In fact, since the collapse of AIG was perhaps the most important event in causing the financial crisis of 2008 to spiral out of control, you can put Hank Greenberg on the very short list of individuals who are most responsible for the economic catastrophe.
Like all narcissists, Greenberg is physically incapable of admitting any mistake he's ever made, and he's made plenty of them. Among other things, Greenberg in 2000 helped AIG artificially bolster its reserves by green-lighting a phony reinsurance transaction with a company called General Re (a subsidiary of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway) that puffed up AIG's loss reserves by about $500 million.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286192 Jan 9, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

An American Legacy: Her Deadly Warriors-in-Chief

By Gary Brumback (contd.)

Is any war just?

President Obama’s chief antiterrorism advisor confidently claimed in a speech April 30, 2012 at the Woodrow Wilson International Center that the president’s drone strikes were ethical, wise, and efficacious. 7 I think anyone with any conscience could easily refute him point by point, so I did in an article I wrote as soon as I read the transcript of his speech. 8

But to refute the claim made by many authorities that war can be just (their wars in particular) requires not only my bone-deep conviction that no war can be just but also in my summarizing what I think are irrefutable arguments for it. I will not summarize the arguments for a just war. They are rooted in philosophical and theological thinking and all amount to moral rationalizations. Throughout history religion has been an instigator, accessory, or silent accomplice of one war or other cruelty after another. If I had to align my thinking with any religious figure it would be with Erasmus, an early sixteenth century monk. War, he said, was “repugnant to nature,” and noted that no one had “ever heard of a hundred thousand animals rushing together to butcher each other, as men do everywhere.” 9

Howard Zinn wrote that the supreme test for whether any war can be just is the U.S. military involvement in WWII. He then went on to raise several questions about it. Was the U.S. involvement for the rights of nations to independence and self-determination? To save the Jews? Against racism? For democracy? No, not at all according to his review of the evidence; the U.S. involvement in WWII had no such high-minded purposes, and he concluded that “Looking at World War II in perspective, looking at the world it created and the terror that grips our century, should we not bury for all time the idea of just war?”10

Two more touchstone wars need to be tested. One is America’s first, the American Revolution. It was fought for the partial right of independence and self-determination. It was a clash between two privileged classes 3,500 miles apart. It did not save the Indians. It led to their decimation and subjugation. It certainly was not against racism. And it certainly was not for a democracy of, for, and by all the people. Had the war not been fought British control would have eventually dissipated, just as it eventually lost all of its other colonies, and an America of a less militant nature might have eventually emerged.

The second touchstone is the Civil War, the most deadly for Americans of any military interventions launched by a U.S. president. Zinn makes it clear in his book that President Lincoln provoked the attack on Fort Sumter that launched the Civil War not with the primary purpose of freeing the slaves but “to retain the enormous national territory and markets and resources.” 11 Lincoln, in other words, was an early practitioner of imperialism by deadly military means.

After reading Zinn I did not remove the image of the Washington statute of our 16th President that is displayed on my website. I like the looks of it. Before reading Zinn I had written an iconoclastic piece about President Lincoln in my book on which the site is partly based. It was in reference to the rash of states around 2002 rushing to pass laws declaring states’ rights in defiance of federal regulations. Here are some extracts of what I wrote:

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