'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276672 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232140 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
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I agree with most of this post and your points are well taken.
Most in Iraq know the government is just as corrupt as Saddam was and the same is true of Afghanistan with Karzai "STEALING" the election with the help of the USA.
President Bush lost the hearts and minds of the whole Middle East by invading Iraq which was the wrong country.
The USA is Number One in selling weaponry all around the world.
The Arms Trade is Big Business
http://tinyurl.com/cfjq5e
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-ar...
Lost the ENTIRE Muddle East?...

Really think so?...

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/...

I don't...

But note the San Francisco Spin Doctors at work...
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232141 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
Mystery for White House: Where Did the Jobs Go?
New York Times special caucus blog
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/19...
Amazing how they still haven't figured out that life is not a textbook...

Just wait 'til 'unemployment' starts at 18...

And lasts for life...

After all...

If someone doesn't feel like they should have to work...

Shouldn't a Nation as Free and Wealthy as America...

Support these people?...

There should be lots of free cash floating around once all the White People give up all their possessions and property...

As payment for slavery and such...

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232142 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the data.
When a country goes to war there is usually many underlining reasons for it and not made known to the public.
Why hasn't the USSR or USA invaded Cuba?
Is it probable that there is no oil there?
Why did the Soviets recently invade Georgia?
Is it probable that there is oil there?
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Good question, VDubya. Cuba has massive oil reserves.

Here, main-stream, foreign, and independent all agree.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/18/c...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7675234.stm

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff10212008....

Russia didn't invade Georgia for its' oil reserves, VDubya.

Can't find any reference to it having any. It imports its natural gas from Russia and Azerbaijan, preferring to lessen its dependency on Russian oil.

Geo-politics may be at play, however.

do a search on "Georgia" in this document, for its importance.

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RS21190.pdf

BP seems to have an interest, topically, for Europe, anyway:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/08...

And the Christian Science Monitor view, as radical as they are:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/2008/0816...

The 1,100-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline provides only about 1 percent of the global demand for oil. But, as Prof. Michael Klare of Amherst College notes: "There's not a lot of spare [crude oil] capacity" in the world.

In the long-running struggle for control of Caspian oil and gas and influence in the ex-Soviet states of that region, the clash has been a blow to US clout.

"The Russians come out of this as winning this round," says Professor Klare. "They are the power brokers in this part of the world…. But there will be more skirmishes to come."

Klare, author of "Rising Powers, Shrinking Planet: The New Geopolitics of Energy," sees the conflict as "not a battle for democracy," as portrayed by Washington. "It was a battle for energy," he says.

In his State of the Union Address in 1980, President Jimmy Carter proclaimed what has become known as the "Carter doctrine." It stated that the US would use military force if necessary to defend its national interest in the Persian Gulf region. Carter saw the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan at that time as "a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil."

President Clinton, as Klare sees it, expanded the Carter doctrine "more or less" to include Caspian oil. The BTC pipeline, taking crude from Azerbaijan through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, where it is loaded on tankers for the international market, was "Clinton's brainchild," says Klare.

President Bush has heated up what Klare regards as a struggle over vital resources, rather than a throwback to the cold-war era or classic balance-of-power politics. In that struggle, the US helped Mikheil Saakashvili win the presidency in Georgia after its 2003 "Rose Revolution" and helped build up and train Georgia's armed forces.

When the American-educated Saakashvili attempted to show his mettle and restore the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to Georgia's control, the Russians took the opportunity to show who is boss.

>>>> Your rhetoric sounds good, sometimes, VDubya, but usually 85% wrong.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232143 Jul 20, 2010
I don't blame the Russians, VDubya, it is their backyard.

Bush was not too bright to think that supporting Kosovo's independence from Serbia would have any effect elsewhere.

After all, should one support breakaway regions from the larger country??

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232144 Jul 20, 2010
Beside, one could easily separate fact from fiction, VDubya. The US consumes 10 times a day what the Caspian Sea area produces.

The Caspian Sea is a 700-mile-long body of water in central Asia bordered by
Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Turkmenistan. Among the five nations, only
Iran is a member of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Azerbaijan,
Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan became independent when the Soviet Union dissolved in
1991. The Caspian Sea region historically has produced oil and natural gas, but the region
is considered to have large resources of oil and gas capable of much greater production.

Current Production and Proven Reserves

The Caspian Sea region presently is a significant, but not major, supplier of crude
oil to world markets, based upon estimates by BP and the Energy Information
Administration (EIA), U.S. Department of Energy.

The Caspian region produced 1.9
million barrels per day (bbls/day) including natural gas liquids in 2005, or 2% of total
world output (Table 1).1 Thirteen non-Caspian region countries each produced more than
1.9 million bbls/day in 2005. Caspian Sea region oil output has been higher, but suffered
during the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the years following. Kazakhstan, whose
production has risen rapidly since the late 1990s, accounted for 67% and Azerbaijan for
22% of regional crude oil output in 2005.

Based upon figures published by BP, Caspian Sea region oil production comes from
proven (economically recoverable) reserves of 48 billion bbls (Table 2). This equals
about 4% of total world proven reserves, and much more than BP’s figure for U.S.
reserves (29 billion bbls). EIA estimates of much larger “possible” reserves suggest a
potential for much greater production. However, as indicated by analysis later in this
report, there are obstacles to output increases both now and in the future.

The Caspian Sea region’s relative contribution to world natural gas supplies is larger
than that for oil. Its gas production of 3.0 trillion cubic feet per year (tcf/yr) in 2005 was
3% of world output. As with oil, gas production has been higher, but suffered during the
Soviet Union’s collapse and the following years. Turkmenistan is the largest producer;
with production of 2.0 tcf/yr, it accounts for almost two-thirds of the region’s gas output.

http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RS21190.pdf

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232145 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Usama bin Laden distorts Islam and unfortunately millions agree with him.
Why would Afghanistan want an Atheist communist/socialist government from Russia?
Many US military advisers were also sent to Vietnam and Korea before those wars.
On one of your own videos a Russian agent said that they never seen any Americans in Afghanistan so the support was only weaponry not personnel.
Pipelines for gas and oil are being built as well as Mega Military Installations peppered throughout Iraq and Afghanistan.
But naturally it is only speculation on my part.
And, naturally, speculation remains just that.

I bet you abhor oil speculators.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232146 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
<quoted text>
I think your head spins because you cannot recognize fact from fiction.
Prediction: Obama will not leave Iraq and Afghanistan and neither will the next president.
My statements were not fiction, though.

(1) The Great Game preceeds your historical review
(2) The TAP pipeline has not even been started after twenty years (no reason for invading Afghanistan, certainly)
(3) The Soviets wanted a warm water port. They are working on Syrian port facilities, at the present time.

Quit obfuscating. It's not successful
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232147 Jul 20, 2010
Bush Was A Coward wrote:
<quoted text>
Who would you like for your US Senator to solicit for contributions? Which groups or organizations would you like your US Senator to rely upon for campaign contributions which he or she needs to get re-elected?
Here are two groups of organizations:
Group A--banks, insurance industry, manufacturers, mining and petroleum industry;
Group B--non-governmental organizations (Save the Children, Feed the Children), charitable organizations (Salvation Army, Goodwill), plaintiff's trial attorneys helping injured people recover from tight-fisted insurance companies.
Now which group of industries or organizations do you want your Senator to be beholden to?
Your Senator has to get his or her money for re-election from SOMEWHERE.
Do you want your Senator working for some greedy, avaricious corporate hacks, or for kind and gentle peace-loving types who work for the Salvation Army or Save the Children?
By the way, arb, good to see you getting out of Sacramento. Sacramento is such a bore! Fortunately there is Frisco to the west and Tahoe to the east, but the Central Valley is nowhere to spend one's life. Kobe, Japan is a delightful place to be, although I prefer Nara, which is 1300 years old this year.
Trial Attorneys...LOL

Like John (pukk my wife, please) Edwards...

Collected a cool $200,000,000 from the rotting lungs of smokers...

Show me ONE ambulance chaser that takes LESS than the 40% MINIMUM from a case they 'win'...

Most SETTLE...

TV commercial...

''I collected $7,568.67 after costs.''

For a broken neck and back...

Settled for $20,000...

$8,000 to the 'lawyer'...

Oh, but PLEASE...

Let's not allow any surgeons to earn more than $250,000 a year...

In spite of spending $250,000-500,000 on schooling that required a cool 12+ YEARS of their life to be sacrificed...

You, like the Obamassiah, think lawyers and politicians should get the dachas while doctors (that actually SAVE lives) should get the screws...

Evil Evil doctors...

Loverly lawyers...

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232148 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
<quoted text>
There might be some Democrats who run Wall Street but ZERO liberals.
There is a difference.
Again, more than SOME Democrats.

All the major players - you name them - JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup.

This is for the folks who don't attempt to hide behind your invariable distinctions, as you do.
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232149 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
Cap on oil well kept shut despite leaks, seepage.
NEW ORLEANS – The federal government Monday allowed BP to keep the cap shut tight on its ruptured Gulf of Mexico oil well for another day despite news the well is leaking at the top and something is seeping from the sea floor nearby.
The Obama administration's point man for the spill, retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, said early Monday that the company promised to watch closely for signs of new leaks around the mile-deep well, which has stopped gushing oil into the water since the experimental cap was closed Thursday.
Late Sunday, Allen said something was detected seeping near the broken oil well and demanded in a sharply worded letter that BP step up monitoring of the ocean floor. Allen didn't say what was seeping. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon the seepage was about two miles from the well head. He also said the well head is leaking.
>>> Pressure is building.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100719/ap_on_bi_...
Remember when you were a kid and used to fix your own flats on your bicycle?...

Pull the tube out and walk it to the gas station...

Crank the handle up to 20PSI or so and blow up the tube...

Remember what happened when you kept on putting more and more air in the tube?...

Got bigger and Bigger and BIGGER...

Until...

POW

Obama doesn't want this leak fixed...

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232150 Jul 20, 2010
Qwerty is a monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain
All the major players, again, Democrat.

I also was referring to the speech that the Prez did regarding the Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan bonuses, recently.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232151 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberals support capitalism...
Therefore...
You are INcorrect...
Or am I thinking REAL Liberals...
As in classic liberals...
He doesn't get it.
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232152 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all because al Qaeda all escaped Afghanistan and next on the target was Yemen and Somalia.
Bush Blew It!
==========
Escape from Tora Bora
Strategic blunders allowed thousands of fighters to flee on foot over the mountains
September 4, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/atn7v
Osama bin Laden and most of his top-ranking Arab associates were able to escape from Afghanistan last year because of a series of avoidable strategic blunders by US military commanders, well-placed sources in Kabul have told the Guardian. Of the 3,000-4,000 "foreign militants" trapped in Afghanistan last November after the collapse of the Taliban, most got away.
Several high-profile military operations to capture them - most notably last December in the Tora Bora mountains - failed because Britain and the US sent in too few troops of their own. Instead, the US commander in Afghanistan, General Tommy Franks, relied too heavily on local anti-Taliban warlords who were more interested in making money than in hunting enemies of the US.
The failure to intercept the fleeing militants marks a huge blow to the Bush administration's war on terrorism.
The failure to intercept the fleeing militants marks a huge blow to the Bush administration's war on terrorism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story...
Bush blew it?...

Or the coalition blew it...

Seems to me like Bush tried winning the hearts and minds of folks that still were very afraid of the Tally-bubs and Alqaeda...

Of course...

Had the US gone into Toreadora...

You would now be whining about how Bush blew it by not allowing the coalition to capture Ozzie binInIran...

And now he has alienated the people he meant to free...

Please grow up VDubya...

If textbooks had all the answers...

That oil well never would have blown...

And the recession would have ended 1-1/2 years ago...

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232153 Jul 20, 2010
Qwerty is a monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You think anyone with a hint of common sense will take Dubya's "position" or "intelligence" on Iraq was correct???
I've always thought that the WMDs ended up in Libya, who suddenly came clean with them, around the same time, to encourage investment in their oil resources.

“French Cocoa Party”

Since: Jan 08

Keynesian Fields

#232154 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no...
That makes VDubya NON liberal...
Shock-a-mundo
Perhaps a non-liberal progressive.

Shaken, not stirred.
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232155 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
<quoted text>
This is how things get over, or get extended, rather. They sent Hillary.
Kabul meeting to lay ground for 2014 deadline
KABUL, Afghanistan – The strategy sits for now on a table in a locked-down Afghan capital: Hand over security in all 34 provinces to the government by the end of 2014 — more than three years after President Barack Obama's date for the start of an American troop drawdown.
By Tuesday, it will be adopted at a one-day international conference, giving war-weary Americans and Europeans a date for when their involvement in Afghanistan may begin to come to an end. It will also give President Hamid Karzai a chance to show whether his struggling government is making progress toward running the country.
The conference comes at a time of growing anxiety in the U.S. and Europe about the course of the war — concerns underscored by Taliban attacks on Monday that killed six Afghan police and two American soldiers. A major security operation virtually shut down Kabul for the conference in which some 60 nations will focus on the postwar transition.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100719/ap_on_re_...
>>>>>I hope it changes.
I'm curious...(blue)

Have all the parties decided on the shape of that table yet?...
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232156 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Trial Attorneys...LOL
Like John (pukk my wife, please) Edwards...
Collected a cool $200,000,000 from the rotting lungs of smokers...
Show me ONE ambulance chaser that takes LESS than the 40% MINIMUM from a case they 'win'...
Most SETTLE...
TV commercial...
''I collected $7,568.67 after costs.''
For a broken neck and back...
Settled for $20,000...
$8,000 to the 'lawyer'...
Oh, but PLEASE...
Let's not allow any surgeons to earn more than $250,000 a year...
In spite of spending $250,000-500,000 on schooling that required a cool 12+ YEARS of their life to be sacrificed...
You, like the Obamassiah, think lawyers and politicians should get the dachas while doctors (that actually SAVE lives) should get the screws...
Evil Evil doctors...
Loverly lawyers...
I love ambulance chasers, thats kinda how your poor folk and just plain lazy b*stards make money without workin. Like the way Americans sue each other over anything and everything. Brilliant culture. Almost as deplorable as giving people here who cant find work the dole.
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232157 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
<quoted text>
All the major players, again, Democrat.
I also was referring to the speech that the Prez did regarding the Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan bonuses, recently.
Missed that speech. Shall take a little look at it now though!

The culture of bankers bonuses really hit its heights during Dubya's regime though dont ya think? I have noticed how Democrats, or more Dems than the Republicans find the bonuses distasteful
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232158 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
<quoted text>
I've always thought that the WMDs ended up in Libya, who suddenly came clean with them, around the same time, to encourage investment in their oil resources.
Or they just belonged to Lybia, which was trying to garner favour with the West by holding no secrets. Kinda dumb and kinda obvious to come out with WMD just as a dangerous retard of a President invaded a neighbouring country. Notice how we are on better terms with the "Mad Dog" of the Middle East now???
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Newark, NJ

#232159 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
I don't blame the Russians, VDubya, it is their backyard.
Bush was not too bright to think that supporting Kosovo's independence from Serbia would have any effect elsewhere.
After all, should one support breakaway regions from the larger country??
This is getting ridiculous. Blame Clinton on Kosovo. Don't blame Bush.

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