'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276640 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232155 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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This is how things get over, or get extended, rather. They sent Hillary.
Kabul meeting to lay ground for 2014 deadline
KABUL, Afghanistan – The strategy sits for now on a table in a locked-down Afghan capital: Hand over security in all 34 provinces to the government by the end of 2014 — more than three years after President Barack Obama's date for the start of an American troop drawdown.
By Tuesday, it will be adopted at a one-day international conference, giving war-weary Americans and Europeans a date for when their involvement in Afghanistan may begin to come to an end. It will also give President Hamid Karzai a chance to show whether his struggling government is making progress toward running the country.
The conference comes at a time of growing anxiety in the U.S. and Europe about the course of the war — concerns underscored by Taliban attacks on Monday that killed six Afghan police and two American soldiers. A major security operation virtually shut down Kabul for the conference in which some 60 nations will focus on the postwar transition.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100719/ap_on_re_...
>>>>>I hope it changes.
I'm curious...(blue)

Have all the parties decided on the shape of that table yet?...
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232156 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
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Trial Attorneys...LOL
Like John (pukk my wife, please) Edwards...
Collected a cool $200,000,000 from the rotting lungs of smokers...
Show me ONE ambulance chaser that takes LESS than the 40% MINIMUM from a case they 'win'...
Most SETTLE...
TV commercial...
''I collected $7,568.67 after costs.''
For a broken neck and back...
Settled for $20,000...
$8,000 to the 'lawyer'...
Oh, but PLEASE...
Let's not allow any surgeons to earn more than $250,000 a year...
In spite of spending $250,000-500,000 on schooling that required a cool 12+ YEARS of their life to be sacrificed...
You, like the Obamassiah, think lawyers and politicians should get the dachas while doctors (that actually SAVE lives) should get the screws...
Evil Evil doctors...
Loverly lawyers...
I love ambulance chasers, thats kinda how your poor folk and just plain lazy b*stards make money without workin. Like the way Americans sue each other over anything and everything. Brilliant culture. Almost as deplorable as giving people here who cant find work the dole.
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232157 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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All the major players, again, Democrat.
I also was referring to the speech that the Prez did regarding the Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan bonuses, recently.
Missed that speech. Shall take a little look at it now though!

The culture of bankers bonuses really hit its heights during Dubya's regime though dont ya think? I have noticed how Democrats, or more Dems than the Republicans find the bonuses distasteful
Qwerty is a monkey

UK

#232158 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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I've always thought that the WMDs ended up in Libya, who suddenly came clean with them, around the same time, to encourage investment in their oil resources.
Or they just belonged to Lybia, which was trying to garner favour with the West by holding no secrets. Kinda dumb and kinda obvious to come out with WMD just as a dangerous retard of a President invaded a neighbouring country. Notice how we are on better terms with the "Mad Dog" of the Middle East now???
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

New York, NY

#232159 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
I don't blame the Russians, VDubya, it is their backyard.
Bush was not too bright to think that supporting Kosovo's independence from Serbia would have any effect elsewhere.
After all, should one support breakaway regions from the larger country??
This is getting ridiculous. Blame Clinton on Kosovo. Don't blame Bush.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

New York, NY

#232160 Jul 20, 2010
Qwerty is a monkey wrote:
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Or they just belonged to Lybia, which was trying to garner favour with the West by holding no secrets. Kinda dumb and kinda obvious to come out with WMD just as a dangerous retard of a President invaded a neighbouring country. Notice how we are on better terms with the "Mad Dog" of the Middle East now???
The "dangerous retard" cashed in Libya AND A Q Kahn. Who is "Lybia"? And you throw stones at Bush.
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232161 Jul 20, 2010
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>This is getting ridiculous. Blame Clinton on Kosovo. Don't blame Bush.
Clinton won Kosovo without losing one American.

4 Star General Wesley K. Clark is a genius.
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232162 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
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Bush blew it?...
Or the coalition blew it...
Seems to me like Bush tried winning the hearts and minds of folks that still were very afraid of the Tally-bubs and Alqaeda...
Of course...
Had the US gone into Toreadora...
You would now be whining about how Bush blew it by not allowing the coalition to capture Ozzie binInIran...
And now he has alienated the people he meant to free...
Please grow up VDubya...
If textbooks had all the answers...
That oil well never would have blown...
And the recession would have ended 1-1/2 years ago...
Bush did not invade Afghanistan but did invade Iraq which was the wrong country at the wrong time.

James Baker: Don't go it alone with Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/9xxb8 /August 26, 2002
CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN)-- Former Secretary of State James Baker Sunday warned President Bush not to "go it alone" against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/2...

Don't Attack Saddam
It would undermine our antiterrorism efforts
BY GENERAL BRENT SCOWCROFT
August 15, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/44u2d
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/featu...
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232163 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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I've always thought that the WMDs ended up in Libya, who suddenly came clean with them, around the same time, to encourage investment in their oil resources.
WOW, you are getting more clueless by the minute.
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232164 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
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You continue to believe lies and half-truths in corporate mainstream media and corporate right wing media.
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The Myth of an al Qaeda Takeover of Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/287t4u / January 28, 2007
Despite such scare mongering, it is highly improbable that al Qaeda could use Iraq as the kind of safe haven it enjoyed in Afghanistan. There, the organization had the protection of an entrenched, friendly government, which it will not have in Iraq. Al Qaeda also had a much larger force in Afghanistan -- an estimated 18,000 fighters. Even the U.S. government concedes that there are fewer than 2,000 al Qaeda fighters in Iraq, and the Iraq Study Group put the figure at only 1,300.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...
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The Iraq Study Group Report
James A. Baker, III, and Lee H. Hamilton, Co-Chairs
Lawrence S. Eagleburger, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III,
Sandra Day O’Connor, Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb,
Alan K. Simpson
http://www.c-span.org/pdf/iraq_study_group_re...
Apparently you do...

http://www.c-span.org/pdf/iraq_study_group_re...
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...
http://tinyurl.com/287t4u
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232165 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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Again, more than SOME Democrats.
All the major players - you name them - JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup.
This is for the folks who don't attempt to hide behind your invariable distinctions, as you do.
Wall Street has always loved Republicans over Democrats because Republicans always voted in their interest.

Bob Dole said somebody has to represent the wealthy and it is the Republicans.
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232166 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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And, naturally, speculation remains just that.
I bet you abhor oil speculators.
Hey Arb were you living in California when Enron made all your electric bills go through the roof?

Bush and Cheney were in the White House.

LOL

TEXAS REPUBLICAN SENATOR PHIL GRAMM & ENRON MANIPULATING OIL PRICES./ Michael Greenberger, Former Director, Commodities Future Trading Commission 1997-1999.
Michael Greenberger discusses the role of unregulated oil speculators on the buying and selling of oil futures. He says legislation passed in 2000 created an environment where oil speculators influence the current day price of oil and other crude products.
WASHINGTON, DC: June 24, 2008
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/062408G...
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232167 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
So your saying Cato is not a Libertarian/Conservative think tank?

How about the Republicans who wrote the Iraq Study Group Report?

LOL

Bush Republicans Dangerous To USA Democracy

Former Top Judge Says US Risks Edging Near to Dictatorship
· Sandra Day O'Connor warns of rightwing attacks
· Lawyers 'must speak up' to protect judiciary
http://tinyurl.com/24l3fb / March 13, 2006

Sandra Day O'Connor, a Republican-appointed judge who retired last month after 24 years on the supreme court, has said the US is in danger of edging towards dictatorship if the party's rightwingers continue to attack the judiciary.

In a strongly worded speech at Georgetown University, reported by National Public Radio and the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin, Ms O'Connor took aim at Republican leaders whose repeated denunciations of the courts for alleged liberal bias could, she said, be contributing to a climate of violence against judges.

Ms O'Connor, nominated by Ronald Reagan as the first woman supreme court justice, declared: "We must be ever-vigilant against those who would strong-arm the judiciary."
She pointed to autocracies in the developing world and former Communist countries as lessons on where interference with the judiciary might lead. "It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings."
Such threats, Ms O'Connor said, "pose a direct threat to our constitutional freedom", and she told the lawyers in her audience: "I want you to tune your ears to these attacks ... You have an obligation to speak up.
She noted death threats against judges were on the rise and added that the situation was not helped by a senior senator's suggestion that there might be a connection between the violence against judges and the decisions they make.
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi...

“From The Desert To The Sea”

Since: Sep 09

To All Across The Lands

#232168 Jul 20, 2010
It's okay, things are calming down now...

source: The Associated Press

Northern Ireland police say Belfast riots waning

BELFAST, Northern Ireland — Police commanders say rioting that has convulsed Irish Catholic districts in Belfast appears to be petering out after four nights of attacks on police that have left more than 80 officers wounded.

A Belfast deputy commander, Duncan McCausland, says rioting Wednesday night and Thursday morning in the Ardoyne district of north Belfast involved "a substantially smaller group of people." Two rioters were arrested, while other riot-hit districts were quiet overnight.

McCausland says the Ardoyne rioters "include a hardened core of around 12 people who are intent on causing disorder."

Police have adopted defensive tactics throughout the riots. Static lines of police in helmets and armor have prevented Catholic rioters from reaching Protestant districts.
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232169 Jul 20, 2010
arbitrageur wrote:
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Good question, VDubya. Cuba has massive oil reserves.
Here, main-stream, foreign, and independent all agree.
by Washington. "It was a battle for energy," he says.
In his State of the Union Address in 1980, President Jimmy Carter proclaimed what has become known as the "Carter doctrine." It stated that the US would use military force if necessary to defend its national interest in the Persian Gulf region. Carter saw the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan at that time as "a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil."
President Clinton, as Klare sees it, expanded the Carter doctrine "more or less" to include Caspian oil. The BTC pipeline, taking crude from Azerbaijan through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, where it is loaded on tankers for the international market, was "Clinton's brainchild," says Klare.
President Bush has heated up what Klare regards as a struggle over vital resources, rather than a throwback to the cold-war era or classic balance-of-power politics. In that struggle, the US helped Mikheil Saakashvili win the presidency in Georgia after its 2003 "Rose Revolution" and helped build up and train Georgia's armed forces.
When the American-educated Saakashvili attempted to show his mettle and restore the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to Georgia's control, the Russians took the opportunity to show who is boss.
>>>> Your rhetoric sounds good, sometimes, VDubya, but usually 85% wrong.
It is only recently that Cuba found oil and the Russians need Georgia for an easier route for oil and gas.

Look what Bush did to our Constitution?

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Power Surge / The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush
http://cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/powersurge_heal...
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Bush challenges hundreds of laws / President cites powers of his office
http://tinyurl.com/ogv5u / April 30, 2006

WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems,''whistle-blower " protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/20...
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232170 Jul 20, 2010
chazmo wrote:
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Lost the ENTIRE Muddle East?...
Really think so?...
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/...
I don't...
But note the San Francisco Spin Doctors at work...
Neda Agha-Soltan was murdered by the Mullah who has power in Iran.
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232171 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
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Clinton won Kosovo without losing one American.
4 Star General Wesley K. Clark is a genius.
Is Kosovo regarded as won?...

http://www.rferl.org/content/EU_President_Voi...

Last year...

http://serbianna.com/news/...

4 years ago...

http://www.acton.org/commentary/commentary_32...

I say, HA...

HA...HA

http://www.google.com/search...

Tiny...

http://tinyurl.com/3ypr5g5
chazmo

San Antonio, TX

#232172 Jul 20, 2010
WhiteCollarCrime wrote:
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Neda Agha-Soltan was murdered by the Mullah who has power in Iran.
Glad to hear you say that my friend...

But many of the same folks that believe the 9-11 government conspiracy truther garbage...

Are now signing on to this as a CIA conspiracy...
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232173 Jul 20, 2010
Qwerty is a monkey wrote:
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Well i dont think Afghanistan was heading toward Communism or considered it. But there is a difference between Communism and Socialism and Socialism can be compatible with a secular State. Even if it is largely Islamic in religion. Many Muslim nations have been secular over the years. And Socialism unlike Communism does not mean Atheism either.
I agree with you but your videos talked about the Afghans did not want the Russians there because they were Atheist/Communist.
WhiteCollarCrime

New York, NY

#232174 Jul 20, 2010
Qwerty is a monkey wrote:
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Ok, good point again and i will say it is difficult to think of a war in the last 30 years that has not been fought over oil or some other resources. Take the Falklands for example.
That is a good question regarding Cuba, invading it would have been easy enough but is there not the possibility that we are just talking about different times and different circumstances. Cuba is Communist nation and it must have been very, very pleasing to the USSR that a small poor island nation a hundred miles off the coast of the US became Communist. If the US had invaded Cuba after the Revolution then can it not be reasonable to argue that the Soviets may have invaded a small Democratic nation along its lines that was closely tied to the US due to fear of the Soviet Union? Or was Cuba just not that important??? Could it be as simple as that?
At this time, both the US and the Soviets were fighting to keep ahead of each other in the arms race. "I have more nukes than you do".
Also what Soviet invasion of Georgia are you talking about? I thought Georgia was one of the founding States of the Soviet Union in 1917???
But yes, Britains past interests in Iraq were based upon the oil. All Western interest in Iraq over the last century has been based on oil. So im with you there. No question no doubt. But the 2003 invasion was more, it was also a scapegoat and in my view a supposed warning and punishment on the Islamic world on what Bush saw as an easy target.
Might interest you also-
The former head of MI5 (internal security) from 2002 to 2007 said on BBC News at the Iraq inquiry today that the invasion gave Al Qaeda a foothold in Iraq that it previously did not have, and that Saddam was a small and containable threat if a threat at all to anyone.
Again I agree with this post.

USA / USSR always trying to out do each other.

The Bear put much stock in Bio/Chem weaponry because the thinking was Nukes would destroy the whole infrastructure and after the bio/chem clears they could just move in.

LOL

Turns out the bio/chems are very susceptible to the elements.

Rain/Sun/Wind et cetera.

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