Why are religion and violence now so closely linked? | Andrew Brown

Apr 25, 2013 Full story: The Guardian 17

German police in the 1970s search for the Baader-Meinhof gang, whose atheism is one of the exceptions in postwar fantatical violence, says Andrew Brown.

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#1 Apr 25, 2013
Noah must've had crabs and head lice

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#2 Apr 25, 2013
What does he mean "*now* closely linked"?

Violence has ALWAYS been the first resort of religion.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#3 Apr 26, 2013
The Bible should be "R" rated and deemed inappropriate for young children because of all the wars, violence, rape, enslavement, and other assorted atrocities committed in the name of religion.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#4 Apr 29, 2013
I love this line; "Constantine did not impose christianity with a group hug
Nor did Islam spread so successfully without the sword."

“Tell it as it is.”

Since: Jun 12

Australia

#5 Apr 29, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
The Bible should be "R" rated and deemed inappropriate for young children because of all the wars, violence, rape, enslavement, and other assorted atrocities committed in the name of religion.
Fairs fair.
XXX for koran.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#6 Apr 29, 2013
Two of each unclean species, the bible says.
swerty wrote:
Noah must've had crabs and head lice
Libertarian

London, UK

#7 Apr 29, 2013
They've always been linked.

Crusades, Pogroms, all the death penalties for sinning throughout history, the inquistition, concentration camps etc etc

If you tell people what to believe with no evidence whatsoever then violence will happen.
Thankfully there will always be reasonable people among us who want evidence before being told how to live their lives.

If nobody can prove themselves right or anyone else wrong there will always be violence between different beliefs.

This is exactly why all religion belong in the past.

If you don't believe modern science then you shouldn't be using modern medicin or electrity or cars, communications. Frankly you shouldn't even get to read a book made with a printing press.

As the pope in the 80s said the decision to execute Galileo was just and correct then none of you should get any use of what we've discovered since despite your god and his earthly minions trying desparately to stay ignorace.

There's your answer to the violence. Desparation as their beliefs are shown to be mere myths again and again.
The only way to keep your followers is to keep them ignorant and angry and a percieved threat. Religious leaders couldn't be happier thesedays. Threat strengthens ignorant beliefs.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#8 May 1, 2013
To have the belief that you are a tool of the gods or even one god, has always been the motivation for violence or conquering to be done in the name of that god, and by that god's power working through you.

The pagans who conquered Jehovah God's people, when Jehovah punished them for their disobedience, always thought it was by their god's power they were successful. Except King Cyrus, he knew and recognized Jehovah God's power, same as Nebechadnezer of Babylon.
Anton Chigurrh

Southbridge, MA

#9 May 1, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
To have the belief that you are a tool of the gods or even one god, has always been the motivation for violence or conquering to be done in the name of that god, and by that god's power working through you.
The pagans who conquered Jehovah God's people, when Jehovah punished them for their disobedience, always thought it was by their god's power they were successful. Except King Cyrus, he knew and recognized Jehovah God's power, same as Nebechadnezer of Babylon.
You are, indeed a tool. In fact, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#10 May 1, 2013
Anton Chigurrh wrote:
<quoted text>
You are, indeed a tool. In fact, you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
I do not profess to be a tool of the true God Jehovah, only his obedient subject in that I am subject to his son and reigning King in heaven, Jesus.

Everyone on this Earth is to accept the righteous rulership of Jesus and live according to the Law of Christ, in order to survive the end of this unrighteous world ruled by Satan the Devil, the god of this world.
2Corinthians 4:4

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#11 May 1, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not profess to be a tool of the true God Jehovah, only his obedient subject in that I am subject to his son and reigning King in heaven, Jesus.
Everyone on this Earth is to accept the righteous rulership of Jesus and live according to the Law of Christ, in order to survive the end of this unrighteous world ruled by Satan the Devil, the god of this world.
2Corinthians 4:4
Religion - "the mental illness people are too polite to tell you about."
Thinking

London, UK

#12 May 1, 2013
Not in Scotland...
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Religion - "the mental illness people are too polite to tell you about."
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#13 May 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion - "the mental illness people are too polite to tell you about."
Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching Religion is corrupt and the tool of Satan the Devil since before World War One, Religion is still the tool of Satan and is condemned in the book of Revelation as destroyed forever in prophecy, soon to be experienced.

It is God's word the Bible that is the only truth, and Almighty God Jehovah's people, His witnesses that are the channel He is using with mankind today, to preserve life through the greatest tribulation this Earth will ever experience.

Matthew 24:21-28
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#14 May 2, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
..It is God's word the Bible that is the only truth, and ..
Are you for real? Wake up.

No God wrote the Bible. It is chock full of errors, contradictions and absurdities.

“GOVERNMENT OF DECEIVERS (GOD)”

Since: Sep 10

NEWARK, NEW JERSEY

#15 May 2, 2013
Removing the godA$$ in the American Holocaust

god = governing oppressive dis ease, grand OLE deceit, government of deception

A$$= American Stockholm Syndrome (love for your abusers / wicked stewards).

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/803...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52621308/Beyond-Bul...

Recognize the American Holocaust (Economic Oppression - Extreme physical, mental, financial and emotional stress. Premeditated and orchestrated to reduce the population and gov't spending / Executive Order 12871).

I AM YHVH DEITY THE FARTHER CIPHER 888

YHVH suspends mercy in response to god (government of deceivers) suspension of inalienable rights ( life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) in the American Holocaust (Moral corruption, suspension of Habeas Corpus to avoid liabilities - Fraud - Terminal Injustice - Economic oppression - Murderbyproxy - Population Control - death fix it>deficit<). Those entrusted with protecting American Citizens by enforcing the laws of the United States Constitution and refusing to do so for personal gain is Treason / Terrorism. Terrorism begets terrorism. Government Officials achieving the National goal set in Executive Order 12871 reducing government (we the people) reducing government spending (no due process, no justice, no liabilities, just murder and mayhem through lie, delay and deny til you die tactics).

Thank YHVH, YHVH welcome, YHVH bless, YHVH way

You
Have
Victory
Halleluejah!

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#16 May 5, 2013
If the Devil punishes bad people, why is he considered evil?
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching Religion is corrupt and the tool of Satan the Devil since before World War One, Religion is still the tool of Satan and is condemned in the book of Revelation as destroyed forever in prophecy, soon to be experienced.
It is God's word the Bible that is the only truth, and Almighty God Jehovah's people, His witnesses that are the channel He is using with mankind today, to preserve life through the greatest tribulation this Earth will ever experience.
Matthew 24:21-28
CunningLinguist

Lady Lake, FL

#18 May 14, 2013
WHAT IS IT ALL WORTH?

Will some Christian scholar tell us the value of Genesis?

We know that it is not true, that it contradicts itself.

There are two accounts of the creation in the first and second chapters.

In the first account birds and beasts were created before man.

In the second, man was created before the birds and beasts.

In the first, fowls are made out of the water.
In the second, fowls are made out of the ground.
In the first, Adam and Eve are created together.
In the second, Adam is made; then the beasts and birds, and then Eve is created from one of Adam's ribs.

These stories are far older than the Pentateuch.

Persian: God created the world in six days, a man called Adama, a woman called Evah, and then rested.

The Etruscan, Babylonian, Phoenician, Chaldean and the Egyptian stories are much the same.

The Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese and Hindus have their Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life.

So the Persians, the Babylonians, the Nubians, the people of Southern India, all had the story of the fall of man and the subtle serpent.

The Chinese say that sin came into the world by the disobedience of woman. And even the Tahitians tell us that man was created from the earth, and the first woman from one of his bones.

All these stories are equally authentic and of equal value to the world, and all the authors were equally inspired.

We know also that the story of the flood is much older than the book of Genesis, and we know besides that it is not true.

We know that this story in Genesis was copied from the Chaldean. There you find all about the rain, the ark, the animals, the dove that was sent out three times, and the mountain on which the ark rested.

So the Hindus, Chinese, Parsees, Persians, Greeks, Mexicans and Scandinavians have substantially the same story.

We also know that the account of the Tower of Babel is an ignorant and childish fable.

What then is left in this inspired book of Genesis?

Is there a word calculated to develop the heart or brain?

Is there an elevated thought, any great principle, anything poetic, any word that bursts into blossom?

Is there anything except a dreary and detailed statement of things that never happened?

Is there anything in Exodus calculated to make men generous, loving and noble?

Is it well to teach children that God tortured the innocent cattle of the Egyptians, bruised them to death with hailstones, on account of the sins of Pharaoh?

Does it make us merciful to believe that God killed the firstborn of the Egyptians, the firstborn of the poor and suffering people, of the poor girl working at the mill, because of the wickedness of the king?

Can we believe that the gods of Egypt worked miracles? Did they change water into blood, and sticks into serpents?

In Exodus there is not one original thought or line of value.

We know, if we know anything, that this book was written by savages, savages who believed in slavery, polygamy and wars of extermination. We know that the story told is impossible, and that the miracles were never performed.

This book admits that there are other gods besides Jehovah. In the 17th chapter is this verse: "Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods, for, in the thing wherein they dealt proudly, he was above them."

So, in this blessed book is taught the duty of human sacrifice, the sacrifice of babes.

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