Four Years After Terri Schiavo's Deat...

Four Years After Terri Schiavo's Death, Schindler Family Fights...

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Since: Oct 06

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#1 Apr 3, 2009
Now, the Schindler family -- Terri's mother and father and brother and sister -- honors her memory by fighting for other disabled and minimally conscious patients to receive the kind of medical care, rehabilitative treatment and food and water Terri was denied.

I kinda am tickled by this one :-)

They fight for the disabled. But only the ones on life support. Only the ones whose stories come up as controversies.

And then all they are good for is interviews, speaking tours (for which they are also paid), phone calls, and doctor and lawyer referrals.

Where has all the donation money gone?

This kind of activity doesn't cost a lot, but the salaries they take may :-)

Since: Oct 06

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#2 Apr 3, 2009
It also occurs to me, Terri had the medical care she required. She had had four years of Rehabilitation and the doctors, including four neurologists, had refused to order more. They said she couldn't recover. That there was no hope for such.

As far as food and water, Terri couldn't swallow. She could not have handled food and water. She would have certainly choked. She was already having aspirational pneumonia because she could not adequately swallow her own saliva, you know.

A g-tube is not food and water, you know :-)
Amazed

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Apr 3, 2009
Peppermint Patti wrote:
It also occurs to me, Terri had the medical care she required. She had had four years of Rehabilitation and the doctors, including four neurologists, had refused to order more. They said she couldn't recover. That there was no hope for such.
As far as food and water, Terri couldn't swallow. She could not have handled food and water. She would have certainly choked. She was already having aspirational pneumonia because she could not adequately swallow her own saliva, you know.
A g-tube is not food and water, you know :-)
The Schindlers NEVER explain why they were forced to return Terri Schiavo to the nursing home after a few weeks.

The Schindlers have been claiming for the past FOUR years that all Terri Schiavo needed was "simple food and water". Rabid and unquestioning Schindler fans buy this garbage and marvel at how wonderful the Schindlers are.

Apparently it never occurs to the Schindler fan club to ask why it was that even with the help of Michael Schiavo why couldn't ma and pa Schindler handle providing Terri Schiavo her "simple food and water".

A few weeks after bringing her home the Schindlers returned her to the nursing home like they would return a puppy to the pet store because "it just didn't work out".

Seems pretty obvious the Schindlers weren't exactly devoted loving parents actually willing to do and learn whatever it would take to have Terri Schiavo with them in their home.

Being a good parent can be so inconvenient and burdensome.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonRepo...

From Dr Jay Wolfsons report to the governor of Florida:

Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at Humana Northside Hospital,eventually emerging from her coma state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May
1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the
College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts.

In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the “family was overwhelmed by Terry’s care needs.”

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#4 Apr 3, 2009
Mary Schindler did explain why they sent her back in their book A Life that Matters.

I am paraphrasing but she said that there were too many times the g-tube came out necessitating an ambulance ride to the hospital. And too many times Terri got coughing and they could not stop it also necessitating another ambulance ride. She said it was just too hard to keep her home. Too much work.

And this I believe as I know how much it takes to care for someone in Terri's situation. The endless care needs.

I remember Michael had even said they even stayed up all night to monitor her breathing. And keep in mind, he did the bulk of the work when Terri was home......

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#5 Apr 4, 2009
A Life that Matters pg 45

Still, by October, Michael and I had decided we could care for Terri no longer. There had been too many trips to the hospital to have the gtube reinserted, too many calls to the paramedics when Terri had coughing fits we did not know how to stop. All the goodwill in the world couldn't substitute for the sheer physical burden placed on us both.

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#7 Apr 4, 2009
the ill informed schindlerbots don't care about facts.it must be so sad to be that way
Amazed

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Apr 4, 2009
godless by choice wrote:
the ill informed schindlerbots don't care about facts.it must be so sad to be that way
The Schindlers are the quintessential "the end justifies the means" folks.

The rabid Schindler supporters and followers are the people who buy into the Schindler idea that it didn't matter how Theresa Schiavo was fed even if the "how" was important to Theresa Schiavo ("no tubes for me")

Bobby Schindler proclaims that a PEG (percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy) tube should be viewed no differently than a fork or a spoon. Obviously he doesn't care how Theresa Schiavo viewed "tubes", surgeries or having her body invaded by surgically implanted tubes.

If Theresa Schiavo needed money the Schindlers would tell you it was no different getting her the money by robbing the bank rather than filling out a withdrawal slip and standing in line at the teller window.

Even if Theresa Schiavo had written out that she wouldn't want her money to come from bank robbery the Schindlers wouldn't honor or respect Theresa Schiavo instructions that they didn't agree with.
Amazed

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Apr 4, 2009
Peppermint Patti wrote:
A Life that Matters pg 45
Still, by October, Michael and I had decided we could care for Terri no longer. There had been too many trips to the hospital to have the gtube reinserted, too many calls to the paramedics when Terri had coughing fits we did not know how to stop. All the goodwill in the world couldn't substitute for the sheer physical burden placed on us both.
In the book Mary Schindler writes on the topic but Mary Schindler doesn't do speaking engagements and her media appearances were pretty much done in 2005. She never spoke about this in public.

Bobby and Suzanne continue to do speaking engagements, media appearances and press releases.

In their speaking engagements and media appearances Bobby and Suzanne never reveal that Terri had been brought home.

In the speaking engagements and media appearances Bobby and Suzanne never reveal that Terri had been brought home and then returned to the nursing home after a few short weeks because the Schindlers couldn't handle caring for Theresa Schiavo even while they had Michael Schiavos full time live in help.

In the speaking engagements and media appearances at the time (as events were unfolding and the matter was a headline news story) the Schindlers were saying "we just want to take her home and care for her".

In the years since then the line from Bobby and Suzanne at their appearances is (and always has been) "Our family just wanted to take her home and care for her".

Implying the Schindlers never had that opportunity.

Because they know the folks that show up at pro-life sponsored events don't have a clue.

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#12 Apr 4, 2009
Amazed wrote:
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In the book Mary Schindler writes on the topic but Mary Schindler doesn't do speaking engagements and her media appearances were pretty much done in 2005. She never spoke about this in public.
Bobby and Suzanne continue to do speaking engagements, media appearances and press releases.
In their speaking engagements and media appearances Bobby and Suzanne never reveal that Terri had been brought home.
In the speaking engagements and media appearances Bobby and Suzanne never reveal that Terri had been brought home and then returned to the nursing home after a few short weeks because the Schindlers couldn't handle caring for Theresa Schiavo even while they had Michael Schiavos full time live in help.
In the speaking engagements and media appearances at the time (as events were unfolding and the matter was a headline news story) the Schindlers were saying "we just want to take her home and care for her".
In the years since then the line from Bobby and Suzanne at their appearances is (and always has been) "Our family just wanted to take her home and care for her".
Implying the Schindlers never had that opportunity.
Because they know the folks that show up at pro-life sponsored events don't have a clue.
Spoon fed whatever 'facts' the Schindlers care to 'share', eh?

Must be sad to just accept things blindly :-(

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#14 Apr 4, 2009
Thanks Amazed.

I did not realize they went that far.

To just act as if they had NEVER been given the chance to care for Terri is just dishonest and devious.

Shows how many Schindler fans have not even read their book, eh?
Unreal

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Apr 5, 2009
Peppermint Patti wrote:
Thanks Amazed.
I did not realize they went that far.
To just act as if they had NEVER been given the chance to care for Terri is just dishonest and devious.
Shows how many Schindler fans have not even read their book, eh?
Older and with Daddy-O's health issues I am sure that Terri would have been dead in six months from some infection.
By then they would have also tried to gain control over her trust-$$$ and would have found it sorely lacking after 15+ yrs of medical costs and litigation.
The scam they pulled is working well for them pulling in salaries for 4.
Walter In FL

Lakeland, FL

#16 Apr 5, 2009
Unreal wrote:
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Older and with Daddy-O's health issues I am sure that Terri would have been dead in six months from some infection.
By then they would have also tried to gain control over her trust-$$$ and would have found it sorely lacking after 15+ yrs of medical costs and litigation.
The scam they pulled is working well for them pulling in salaries for 4.
These facts are the reason I have NO RESPECT of the Schindlers.

Honesty and the Schindlers have not crossed paths.
Unreal

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Apr 13, 2009
Walter In FL wrote:
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These facts are the reason I have NO RESPECT of the Schindlers.
Honesty and the Schindlers have not crossed paths.
They learned well from Randall Terry whose Operation Rescue group was a well organized little Terrorist group.
Joann

Cape Coral, FL

#20 Apr 20, 2009
Its par for the course to read all the finger pointers in this case. Perhaps the parents felt Terry needed medical care and around the clock nursing... Perhaps they felt Terry would have a better chance at rehabilitating by the professionals. I think its a shame that anyone would point at the parents after all they've endured. You should be ashamed of yourself. The Parents endured 12 or so years of Hell. Do you finger pointers have any idea what its like to see your child in this condition? Or to know in your heart that Her husband had something to do with it, Yet your unable to prove it? If you dont, then stop judging... Open your heart and see it through the eyes of the Parents. You have no idea of the daily , hourly , minutely , secondly HELL they had to go through.... And if you think $$ was involved in the Parents minds, Your really sick. They fought long and hard to save Terry...And then to lose her that way.. To take water from her... Its inhumane. Even Dogs we put down fast... And as for the specialists saying Terry was brain dead, Thats a crock. If you saw that woman smiling and her eyes light up when her Mother would speak to her. It was plastered all over the News. They said my son was brain dead. I got a second opinion that stated the same. They wanted to pull the plug after 6 days. Hes 28 yrs old. Hes alive . We need to trust the parents. They are who love and care about their children unconditionally... Reading some of these comments sicken me... Go hug your family....
bustertheboa

Hershey, PA

#21 Apr 20, 2009
But are you not judging... when you condemn Michael and extol the Schindlers... when you give the Schindlers the benefit of the doubt and not Michael... when you presume that your son's situation was the same as Terri's... are you not judging???

BTW, Terri's diagnosis was necortical death, AKA anoxic PVS in her case -- not brain death. If you really feel we should just trust the parents, you may not realize that they at one time conceded her diagnosis and lack of awareness.
Joann

Cape Coral, FL

#22 Apr 20, 2009
No im not judging anyone. My Son was the same. Anoxic. I said the Parents felt in their heart of hearts that the Husband had something to do with it. I didnt say he did! Im not judging him. I stating what the parents said they felt. The problem here is like this... People read a comment and then twist it because they dont like what they read... I do understand this case as Mine is parallel. Im fighting secondly to save my Son as hes dying from malnutrition, lack of care, stage 4 bed sores, lack of medical help, no neurologist, hes had 4 PT sessions in the past 6 months, He weighs a Whopping 82-85 lbs . Hes 5'8". Hes dying as we speak. Last week the courts finally took guardianship and gave it to an independent. This after months of medical record searches and finding all the trail on paper by the professionals. Still because of protocol, My Son still is in the neglectful hands,.. Hopefully He will be removed in the next day or two. Every second for him is a life time of HELL !!!.
Joann

Cape Coral, FL

#23 Apr 20, 2009
My son is in St Petersburg Fl. Something is wrong up there. Things will not change until the citizens change who they vote into office. As long as we keep closing our eyes to whats going on, it will continue... Perhaps it will be one of your own next time. Its obviously a problem up there. I will not stop trying to help the fight. Its an injustice... Its very important to know that when you marry, you give not only your heart and soul to your spouse but also the rights to your life and all decisions should you become incapacitated. No one else is heard from in the eyes of the law. You can slowly kill your spouse as long as you do it behind closed doors... Until your dead, no one will help you. Think about it. I watched my Son screaming inside...Mouthing the words " Please Mom, Help me. Get me out of here" I still am unable to help him. Ive written to the Gov of Fl. The Pres. Of the US and everyone in between. I have photos of my Son if you want to see what im talking about. Email me. Or send me your email address. Yes I do feel for the parents of terry. I know first hand what they went through and what they are still going through.
bustertheboa

Hershey, PA

#24 Apr 20, 2009
Joann wrote:
No im not judging anyone. My Son was the same. Anoxic. I said the Parents felt in their heart of hearts that the Husband had something to do with it. I didnt say he did! Im not judging him. I stating what the parents said they felt.
Actually, if I recall correctly, you said that the parents KNOW it (not the same as FEELING) but could not prove it. And I did not say you were judging a PERSON, just that you were making a judgment. It would seem we are both guilty of drawing inferences that were not meant to be implied.
Joann wrote:
The problem here is like this... People read a comment and then twist it because they dont like what they read...
That is true. Both sides of the debate are guilty of this. We both allude to such above. There was a huge amount of misinformation propagated about the case. But I also think part of the issue is that what may be obvious to the poster is not obvious to others. I spent a great deal of time explaining medical and ethical concepts on this and similar boards. If people disagreed with the information I was presenting, they would twist it by assuming I was expressing my personal opinion, rather than a professional explanation, when to me it was obvious I was simply relaying information.
Joann wrote:
I do understand this case as Mine is parallel. Im fighting secondly to save my Son as hes dying from malnutrition, lack of care, stage 4 bed sores, lack of medical help, no neurologist, hes had 4 PT sessions in the past 6 months, He weighs a Whopping 82-85 lbs . Hes 5'8". Hes dying as we speak. Last week the courts finally took guardianship and gave it to an independent. This after months of medical record searches and finding all the trail on paper by the professionals. Still because of protocol, My Son still is in the neglectful hands,.. Hopefully He will be removed in the next day or two. Every second for him is a life time of HELL !!!.
I am very sorry to hear about your son. It sounds like he was misdiagnosed, based on what you are describing, if the doctors told you he was brain dead. That term has very specific medical and legal meanings, and would not seem to apply to your son.
bustertheboa

Hershey, PA

#25 Apr 20, 2009
Joann wrote:
My son is in St Petersburg Fl. Something is wrong up there. Things will not change until the citizens change who they vote into office. As long as we keep closing our eyes to whats going on, it will continue... Perhaps it will be one of your own next time. Its obviously a problem up there. I will not stop trying to help the fight. Its an injustice... Its very important to know that when you marry, you give not only your heart and soul to your spouse but also the rights to your life and all decisions should you become incapacitated. No one else is heard from in the eyes of the law. You can slowly kill your spouse as long as you do it behind closed doors... Until your dead, no one will help you. Think about it. I watched my Son screaming inside...Mouthing the words " Please Mom, Help me. Get me out of here" I still am unable to help him. Ive written to the Gov of Fl. The Pres. Of the US and everyone in between. I have photos of my Son if you want to see what im talking about. Email me. Or send me your email address. Yes I do feel for the parents of terry. I know first hand what they went through and what they are still going through.
If what you say is accurate, then clearly your son is not brain dead or vegetative. Obviously he was misdiagnosed, or perhaps the doctors misused the terms, or perhaps there was some other miscommunication or misapprehension.

I don't have your e-mail address.
Joann

Cape Coral, FL

#28 Apr 20, 2009
My Son was born 28yrs ago with an aortic valve that wasnt growing. He several surgeries starting 4.5 yrs to stretch it. 5 yrs ago he had it replaced with a titanium valve and pacemaker. Last june his heart stopped from low potassium due to diarrhea as stated by his wife. His heart didnt beat for approx. 10 minutes. 3 days later the Drs said he was brain dead. We got a second op. which was the same. A couple days later he woke up... After a couple months of therapy, he was awaking more and more daily . He then started knowing all his family. Mom , Dad , brothers , sisters, etc... He knew his name, DOB and SS# . I would show him flash cards and he could read them. His also knew colors..He recited the ABCs , even the Now I know My ABCs part. His memory seemed fine. He seemed only to have forgotten his last year. Suddenly 2 months after His wife brought him home, I noticed he was loosing weight. She told me she took him off his food prescribed and was feeding him baby food. She also wasnt taking him to any PT or OT. No speech therapy. No neurologist. Every day I would beg her to get him his needs. She refused. She also refused to put his braces on his extremities. He wasnt getting bathed at all. He stunk. His mouth was full of white stuff. His track collar always corroded. Full of old sputum. Infections weekly.. And the list goes on and on. Im still fighting to get him out of there...

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