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4 A funeral has been planned. It would be great if some strong pro-life activists and advocates were to attend. Tori represents the good side of the Terri Schiavo saga. Tori will deeply be missed. She joins Lauren Ashley, another well-known brain injured individual who passed away about a year ago. Lauren Ashley was just like Tori and Terri Schiavo. The care, love and commitment shown by these families of these 2 individuals truly puts Michael Schiavo to shame. |
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2 Tori Schmanski had very little in common with Terri Schiavo, James. --Tori Schmanski was never diagnosed as PVS --Tori Schmanski was able to safely swallow small amounts of soft food (although she was ANH-dependent) --Tori Schmanski was able to respond to others meaningfully, although she was unable to speak --When asked a question with two possible answers written on two cards held before her, Tori Schmanski could make meaningful (and correct) choices. Tori Schmanski could even still "speak" French, by making such correct choices among French vocabulary cards. --Tori Schmanski was not blind (her cortical vision structures were intact) --At the time of her anoxic brain injury, Tori Schmanski was 14 years old and physically active and fit. At the time of her anoxic brain injury, Terri Schiavo was 26 years old and had avoided physical exercise all of her life. --At her death, Tori Schmanski was 4 years and 4 months out from her anoxic brain injury; at her death, Terri Schiavo was 15 years and 1 month out from her brain injury --Tori Schmanski was not cortically brain dead --Tori Schmanski was never found by a jury to have bulimia, or found responsible in any way for the accident in which she was injured. And James, I thought there was probably nothing you could do that would actually shock me, but you've done it with your comment post today on the Tori Schmanski website. This girl has been dead for two days, and her family is in shock and deep grief. Others have been posting supportive condolence comments, as is very appropriate. And what do you post, James? "What Happend? Submitted by jy22077 on Mon, 2009-11-09 13:07. It sounded like Tori was doing well. What happend?" You insensitive jerk. |
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1 Lauren Ashley's parents made the decision in November 2008 to stop her ANH. She was discharged from the hospital to home hospice care on 12/1/08, and died at home on 12/10/08. |
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1 First you state you "didn't know". Then you claim you you read Lauren could no longer tolerate ANH. And yes James ANH via PEG is a "medical treatment" and as such it can be refused regardless of the approval or disapproval of the Catholic church which by the way, according to Bobby Schindlers own statements, was not consistent or unanimous in its stated positions on the issue of life support or in supporting his family and their efforts to overrule Mrs Schiavo and her expressed directives: http://catholicexchange.com/2007/12/17/91865/ |
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Given that Lauren Ashley was not Catholic, it's pretty much irrelevant what the Catholic Church's position (about which you obviously don't know, as you've consistently misstated it, although that position is also legally irrelevant) might be about the withdrawal of ANH, or any other form of medical treament, including any other artificial, life-prolonging procedure. Lauren Ashley was a minor child, both at the time of the onset of the encephalopathy which caused her brain damage, and at the time of her death 4 years later. The decision to withhold ANH was her parents' and they apparently made it in consultation with her physicians, and with prayer for guidance to God. James, you have wrapped yourself in your fantasies that you, with your high school diploma, and school bus driver professional experience, have some superior knowledge or understanding of medicine, law, bioethics and now, apparently, Catholicism. And with every post you expose the depths of your ignorance. Why don't you go back to making birther videos for your You Tube channel, and worshipping at the feet of the likes of Orly Taitz...at least in that little wackerdoodle fringe group, you can genuinely lay claim to being one of the most highly-educated and professionally successful of the bunch (plus your videos are a hoot!). |
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1 http://www.deimel.org/commentary/murphy_testi... Catholic hospitals and nursing homes apply what are known as the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services (Directives), which are issued by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The Directives speak of respecting the dignity of the person, and reflect the fact that death is an inevitable part of being human. They acknowledge it is morally legitimate for a patient or a designated person acting on the patient’s behalf, with the authority of a health care proxy and advance directive, to decline medical treatment when it is medically futile. The Directives also make clear that a Catholic institution “will not honor an advance directive that is contrary to Catholic teaching”(Directive # 24), and will not engage in assisted suicide or euthanasia. http://www.mergerwatch.org/pdfs/schiavo_qa.pd... |
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2 Yeah- the fact she wasn't Catholic highlights the bizarre and strange about the way James connects things. I'm actually quite surprised he didn't manage to somehow work in a little hate mongering for Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer or Attorney Felos. Speaking of James other hobby have you been following the imposition of fines and the filing of complaints with the bar for misconduct against the queen of Jamesonian birtherism and the self proclaimed sovereign ruler of the birther crowd? Since her law degree was mail order I wonder if she can mail in an appearance to answer those complaints? Good thing she has dentistry and real estate agent to fall back on. Seems James might have finally found someone to hero worship and with a cause that is even nuttier than he is. I might need to head over to YouTUBE and catch a few of the laughs James has put together on the insanity channel. |
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2 You left out the fact that Terri had a husband who litigated for millions of dollars to care for her while she lived and then decided she didn't want to live. Tori's family value her presence with them in"that condition" But for the control of Michael Schiavo over the care and treatment of Terri Schiavo, they were not so different. Tori never spent years in a hospice without actually being terminal. She lived quite well with ANH. And she was allowed to. |
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1 kadamson Did Michael Schiavo get millions of dollars? Did Michael Schiavo get one millions dollars? We all know he didn't, except you kadamson. Michael Schiavo reccvied $300,000? |
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1 He litigated for millions. The jury did not buy it. They gave 1.4 million after the 70% taken because Terri partially causes her own collapse. After the lawyer fees it was $750,000 which was put into a trust with Barnet Bank. Michael could not touch that money without the court's permission. He got $300,000 Loss of Consortium. That was his to treat any way he wanted. And it was doctors who controlled Terri's treatments, not Michael :-) |
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1 PATTI kadamson can't help it, she hates Michael Schiavo. She going to rant the "Schindler's Script" of lies no matter what evidence is presented. She will get over it or she won't. It is her problem. |
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1 Amazed, I haven't followed the entire birther saga in much detail; however, I am a member of a lawyers' forum which follows general wackiness and reeeeaaaalllly bad lawyers, and Orly Taitz has her own topic there. So, yes, I'm aware of her $20,000 sanction from the judge in Georgia (the deadline to pay that passed yesterday, so it should be interesting to watch the feds begin collections today), and I'm aware of the (multiple) bar complaints filed about her with the California Bar. From that forum, I clicked to the Lucas Smith affidavit (suborning purjury and the sexual exploits of Oily Taintz, LOL!), and from Lucas Smith's You Tube channel, I was not surprised to find James (and his You Tube channel). I've not actually watched any of James' videos all the way through--his message is not interesting, and is poorly presented, but I love the ubiquitous ironing board in his living room LOL!--but it's entertaining to see him pop up as a barking moonbat birther, apparently just as ignorant about the U.S. Constitution and federal statutes as he is about the Florida Constitution and our state statutes, but deeply enmeshed in his fantasies. If you're interested: http://www.youtube.com/user/jy22077#p/u |
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4 It is erroneous to say doctors controlled the treatment. Everyone here says it was Michael, speaking for Terri's wishes who controlled her treatment. Michael was the "keeper of the secret" as to what her wishes were. The lawyers made out quite well. Michael got a house out of the deal. For her efforts and centrality to the cause, Terri never received any settlement for treatment or care. Everybody got something, except Terri. |
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1 Everyone is repeating what the Probate court hearing the five witnesses’ testimony under oath. The doctor told Michael Schiavo there were no treatments that could help Terri Schiavo. Did / Do you know of any treatments that can regenerate brain cells? Did / Do you know of any treatments that can restore Terri Schiavo's memory, being it was erased when she lost her cortex. Is Ignorance the same Vegetative State? |
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2 As Mrs Schiavo's health care proxy and legal guardian Michael Schiavo spoke on behalf of his wife as her surrogate decision maker using the Florida guardianship law specified legal standard of "substituted judgment". Substituted judgment means as guardian he would be required to be presenting what his wifes decisions would be under the circumstances- not his own or anyone elses (not even the popes...). He would be required to put himself in her position as patient and consumer of health care services. As her guardian it was his obligation and responsibility to express to her health care providers what treatments she would accept and what treatments she would reject and under what circumstances. Putting aside the duties, obligations and responsibilities of an appointed guardian under Florida law it is a fact that Florida DCF investigated more than 100 complaints that Mrs Schiavo was abused, neglected,and not receiving proper medical care, that she was being exploited and that her finances were mismanaged. Obviously investigators aren't going to ask to Mr Schiavo if his wifes medical treatment is appropriate. Investigators are going to consult Mrs Schiavo's medical records and her doctors to determine if her medical treatment is appropriate and if the treatment plan is being followed as ordered by doctors: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/15/schiavo... Florida agency rejected Schiavo abuse claims Documents released Friday absolved husband in case Saturday, April 16, 2005 Posted: 0348 GMT (1148 HKT) (CNN)-- The Florida agency charged with protecting families and children concluded that the husband of Terri Schiavo was not abusive, as her parents bitterly contended, according to documents released Friday. Excerpt follows: Mary and Bob Schindler alleged to the Department of Children and Families that Michael Schiavo, who also was his wife's legal guardian, tried to starve her, beat her, inappropriately medicate her, and wanted her dead to gain financially. "No information or evidence was found to support the allegations," the agency reported following several extensive investigations. It noted that its conclusions were supported by years of legal and medical documentation. |
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1 Michael had a say, but the doctors ordered, or did not order treatments. To order therapy, when they knew it was futile could have gotten them in trouble as well. And Dr Mulroy suggested not to treat Terri's next UTI. Dr Harrison first suggested discontinuing the feeding tube in 1993.\ As how Michael spent HIS Loss of Consordium money it is not ours to question. And Terri got her wishes honoured :-) |
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2 You have a comprehension and/or a retention problems. Take notes, it will help. Terri Schiavo was diagnosed as Neocortically Dead in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) PEG is artificial life support. PEG (percutaneous endoscopic gastrostomy) Terri Schiavo was diagnosed as Neocortically Dead. The Terri Schiavo’s autopy results, released on June 15, 2005, reported that the Terri’s brain had shrunk to about half its normal size. The cause of death was dehydration from removal of the feeding tube, the autopsy found Schiavo suffered from severe and irreversible brain-damage. The examination of her remains confirmed she was not strangled, poisoned, bludgeoned or starved to death. Examination of Schiavo’s nervous system by neuropathologist Stephen J. Nelson, M.D., revealed extensive injury. The brain itself weighed only 615 g, only half the weight expected for a female of her age, height, and weight, an effect caused by the loss of a massive amount of neurons. Microscopic examination revealed extensive damage to nearly all brain regions, including the cerebral cortex, the thalami, the basal ganglia, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the midbrain. The neuropathologic changes in her brain were precisely of the type seen in patients who enter a PVS following cardiac arrest. Throughout the cerebral cortex, the large pyramidal neurons that comprise some 70% of cortical cells – critical to the functioning of the cortex – were completely lost. The pattern of damage to the cortex, with injury tending to worsen from the front of the cortex to the back, is also typical. There was marked damage to important relay circuits deep in the brain (the thalami)– another common pathologic finding in cases of PVS. The damage was, in the words of Thogmartin, "irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons." Persona - The personality that a person adopts and presents to other people. That is true,“food and water” or force feeding and drowning patients could be painful if the cognitive and conscious patient can interpret pain. You have to be conscious and cognitive to feel (interpret) pain. Is that why the medical profession uses anesthesia? Your Brain Stem Does Not… Your brain stem does not provide the functions of menal process of knowing, including aspects such as awareness, perception, reasoning , and judgement. So, Terri Schiavo was not just brain injuried or brain disabled. Non – Cognitive cause by the lost of her cortex Terri Schiavo was diagnosed as Neocortically Dead and in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) She was just a physical body as opposed to being a mental person. Her body had only reflex reactions to her physical world without the ability of mental interpretation of any physical stimulus or pain (No cognition). Terri Schiavo’s body was allowed to pass legally with removal of the PEG. Think what you wish, it will not change anything, The majority of people believe that Terri Schiavo should have been allow to pass years before she was allowed and that was caused by the vile Schindlers. So do try to blame Michael Schiavo for the vile Schindlers activities. |
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