Back tax on illegal migrants hard to do

There are 354 comments on the SFGate story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Back tax on illegal migrants hard to do. In it, SFGate reports that:

Requiring illegal immigrants to pay back taxes as a condition of citizenship is a popular idea, but experts on both sides of the immigration debate say it would be extremely difficult to implement.

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Since: Apr 08

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#1 Jan 28, 2013
Charge them all $50,000, give them 90 days to pay it. When they don't, deport them.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#2 Jan 29, 2013
Right, just as it always is; tax those that will pay and forget about the rest. We already have enough parasitic drag in this country without encouraging more.

Since: Jan 13

United States

#3 Jan 29, 2013
It's impossible to keep track of anything illegals do. In addition to making the working class pay they also make the country a very unsafe place. Not all but lets face it most dont care about anyone or anything except for their own. Illegal means illegal!
All for the hispanic

Wister, OK

#4 Jan 30, 2013
I know a lot of hispanics that do pay taxes maybe not in there name and they can not file taxes. They pay the same taxes for everyday cost of living. Many hispanic men that i know have children here that they take care of because the mother has other plans in life and they do not recieve any government funds to care for them. Many of them take care of children who are not theres because an american dad is just lazy or dont care so they step in. they dont take easy jobs it is usually hard labor. a job an american wouldnt take or has tried and walked away. some of these hispanics take care of a family here and take care of there mother and father in mexico. so until you have actually lived the life thinik about it if you was in their situation. I have beeen to mexico and i have seen how people live. They want to wrork but in some places there just isnt anything unless you are a rancher and that stilll takes money to work people to even harvest it to sale and live off it for the rest of the year.
halley

Reno, NV

#5 Jan 30, 2013
How do you begin to figure 20 years of back taxes on someone that uses several aliasis? The talk of fine and back taxes is just left wing rhetric because most will clam hard ship and be exempt any way.
halley

Reno, NV

#6 Jan 30, 2013
All for the hispanic wrote:
I know a lot of hispanics that do pay taxes maybe not in there name and they can not file taxes. They pay the same taxes for everyday cost of living. Many hispanic men that i know have children here that they take care of because the mother has other plans in life and they do not recieve any government funds to care for them. Many of them take care of children who are not theres because an american dad is just lazy or dont care so they step in. they dont take easy jobs it is usually hard labor. a job an american wouldnt take or has tried and walked away. some of these hispanics take care of a family here and take care of there mother and father in mexico. so until you have actually lived the life thinik about it if you was in their situation. I have beeen to mexico and i have seen how people live. They want to wrork but in some places there just isnt anything unless you are a rancher and that stilll takes money to work people to even harvest it to sale and live off it for the rest of the year.
NBC: Obama IRS refunds 'Illegals'$4.2 billion for kids--in Mexico ...

Since: Dec 12

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#7 Jan 30, 2013
All for the hispanic wrote:
I know a lot of hispanics that do pay taxes maybe not in there name and they can not file taxes. They pay the same taxes for everyday cost of living. Many hispanic men that i know have children here that they take care of because the mother has other plans in life and they do not recieve any government funds to care for them. Many of them take care of children who are not theres because an american dad is just lazy or dont care so they step in. they dont take easy jobs it is usually hard labor. a job an american wouldnt take or has tried and walked away. some of these hispanics take care of a family here and take care of there mother and father in mexico. so until you have actually lived the life thinik about it if you was in their situation. I have beeen to mexico and i have seen how people live. They want to wrork but in some places there just isnt anything unless you are a rancher and that stilll takes money to work people to even harvest it to sale and live off it for the rest of the year.
I agree that the people coming from Mexico are hard workers and are trying to make a living any way they can. I mention Mexico only because I don't know enough information about the people from the other countries to comment on them. One problem with having so many people come up from Mexico is that the Mexican government does not have to find work for them. If the U.S./Mexico border were sealed(I know it won't be), all of the people in Mexico needing jobs would create a huge problem for the Mexican government. Building the Mexican econmy up in a way to create all of the jobs necessary to meet the needs of the people would would now have to be a main focus. Right now the U.S. acts as a safty valve for the Mexican government. If you can't find work in Mexico and you don't want your family to starve, you end up trying to find work in the U.S. A huge part of the Mexican economy is baded on the money sent back to families in Mexico. The families spend the money in Mexico, which makes the money part of Mexico's economy even though the Mexican government didn't do anything for it. Until The Mexican government is forced to find a way to create jobs for it's people, it won't. I understand that closing the U.S./Meican border would create a hardship for the people of Mexico, but what else would force the Mexican gorenment to take action? I don't have all of the answers. What do you think?

Since: Jun 11

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#8 Jan 30, 2013
I guarantee obozo has no intention of collecting back taxes. The idea is just for show. The illegal will say he's been working here for years but never made enough to be liable for taxes and the govt will just take his word.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#9 Jan 30, 2013
If they enforce the tax provision on this debacle, millions will just stay lost. No Latin American that has 5 anchor's, EBT, section 8 and free health care are going to pay one penny in Federal or State Tax. And they simply will not apply in the first place.. Give me a break!
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#10 Jan 30, 2013
ronnie wrote:
If they enforce the tax provision on this debacle, millions will just stay lost. No Latin American that has 5 anchor's, EBT, section 8 and free health care are going to pay one penny in Federal or State Tax. And they simply will not apply in the first place.. Give me a break!
True. Illegal have learn , continue to learn how to work the system. They will never pay any back taxes.
El Cid

Austin, TX

#11 Feb 2, 2013
Since majority work for cash under the table and are liars by nature good luck with taxing them. Just give them a 6 figure fine, as well as their employers.
The ones committing identity theft and "filing" taxes or otherwise doing such fraud need to be sent to prison.
Make them all repay the states for any welfare they collected and unpaid hospital and other bills. If they cannot do that then they get deported and any assetss as cars, jewelry, cash, or anything else of fiscal value is confiscated and given to the state as compensation.

“"One for the claws"”

Since: Jul 10

Sin City,U.S.A.

#12 Feb 2, 2013
ronnie wrote:
If they enforce the tax provision on this debacle, millions will just stay lost. No Latin American that has 5 anchor's, EBT, section 8 and free health care are going to pay one penny in Federal or State Tax. And they simply will not apply in the first place.. Give me a break!
The Hispanic illegals have already stated they do not want to pay back taxes,fees or fines. They want complete amnesty to come and go and do whatever they want.
They will just threaten the Democrats with with-holding their votes and the Democrats will cave in and give them everything they want.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#13 Feb 2, 2013
Any requirements or enforcement in a amnesty bill will be dropped as soon as one is signed, just like in 1986. That is why Obama wants instant citizenship with no conditions.

Other then citizenship what will have changed? The next wave of illegal aliens will be on their way and there will still be no enforcement.
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#16 Feb 3, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
Charge them all $50,000, give them 90 days to pay it. When they don't, deport them.
This is funny,LOL... Illegals won't pay a dime. Remember they are freeloaders,they are not here to pay anything:taxes,etc.

Since: Apr 08

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#17 Feb 3, 2013
Suadela wrote:
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This is funny,LOL... Illegals won't pay a dime. Remember they are freeloaders,they are not here to pay anything:taxes,etc.
Yes, I know, however, my real sentiments seem to do little more than get the liberals frothing at the mouth.

I'd do much like Hitler did with the Jews, though I'd skip the gas chambers...... Round them up, stuff them in cattle cars and ship them deep into Mexihole before letting them loose.
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#19 Feb 3, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I know, however, my real sentiments seem to do little more than get the liberals frothing at the mouth.
I'd do much like Hitler did with the Jews, though I'd skip the gas chambers...... Round them up, stuff them in cattle cars and ship them deep into Mexihole before letting them loose.
:)
ima

El Paso, TX

#20 Feb 3, 2013
halley wrote:
How do you begin to figure 20 years of back taxes on someone that uses several aliasis? The talk of fine and back taxes is just left wing rhetric because most will clam hard ship and be exempt any way.
s Are you a citizen, or legally here? once establishing even ONE different aliases illegals have USED OTHER THAN THEIR PROPER NAME. STOP THERE, take them to the nearest immigration facility and start deportation proceedings. If you are a citizen, just for the hell of it, see how far you get....start using some else's name or make up a fictitious name and see what happens. A citizen will get jailed, fined and probably never get a job again or lose whatever benefits he may have had coming, social security, etc. It's a crime for us, why not them? we get punished why not them? ESPECIALLY THEM SINCE THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY! Citizens should be rewarded for abiding by our rules and regulations but no instead WE GET PUNISHED FOR EVERYTHING....even for not being able to buy health insurance if your unemployed! AND ILLEGALS GET COMPENSATED FOR BEING ILLEGALS, how does anyone figure this out? ILLEGALS CAN DRIVE WITHOUT A LICENSE and no insurance but heaven forbid a citizen do the same! Could it be ONE PRESIDENT ALONE CANNOT RUN THE WHOLE COUNTRY, MAYBE WE NEED THREE, AN INDEPENDANT, A DEMOCRAT AND A REPUBLICAN?
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#21 Feb 3, 2013
That's just happy talk. It's a way to try to make Americans agree to another amnesty. First of all, trying to collect back taxes would show that they have been doing identity theft which is a crime. I'm sure the government wants to give amnesty to people doing ID theft. And, like another poster said, they will all claim hardship. They won't pay anything. The only thing that will happen is once the welfare department has their real social security numbers it will be able to prove if they are working whereas today they use a fake SS number and then go to the welfare department and lie and say they are not working and they collect welfare for their kids that are citizens, that were born here. Once they are given citizenship, they will be given SS numbers and then the welfare dept. will know if they are working. But, they have so many kids that they qualify for welfare even if both parents are working. And, half of them drop out of high school and end up in gangs and then in prisons. The costs are astronomical, and the majority of them are not going to be working nor paying taxes. they say that today 50 percent of Hispanic women are having kids out of wedlock in order to go on welfare. Welfare will collapse as the U.S. collapses and all this stuff will do is make the U.S. full on third world in about two more years when the dollar collapses and the bond market collapses. There is no big educated working generation left to pay for the welfare because the baby boomers are retiring, and instead the Mexicans and blacks are trying to screw the baby boomers out of SS and Medicare in order for them to keep getting welfare. There is no bit educated generation to carry the tax base, to fund SS, Medicare or welfare any longer. It's all going to crash and burn from about 50 million Mexicans coming here over the last few decades and having so many kids. Now the politicians have a bill to try and get educated people from other countries to come to the U.S. because we have all uneducated folks here so companies like Microsoft go to Canada not here because we do not have the people who can take the good jobs. The Mexicans are the downfall of the U.S. Mark my words. Two more years tops with out debt, with our unfunded liabilities in the entitlements, with out brain drain, OMG, it's all about to crash and burn in total. You can't have a majority of the population on welfare and retired and no big educated working population to carry all of it.
Fomento

Austin, TX

#22 Feb 3, 2013
What will actually happen is they will claim to have earned less money than would have required them to pay taxes in so they would actually be getting refunds for all those years they claimed ot have made less money. That is just what happened under Reagan with the last amnesty. Then they will apply for SSI and SSDI and get it too, and their backpay will go back to whenever they claimed to have illegally entered the country instead of when they first filed for disability. They can also then bring grannie, auntie, and anyone else they claim is family and if they are old or disabled then they get disability, nursing home, healthcare, and so on.
Is a complete crock.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#23 Feb 3, 2013
Fomento wrote:
What will actually happen is they will claim to have earned less money than would have required them to pay taxes in so they would actually be getting refunds for all those years they claimed ot have made less money. That is just what happened under Reagan with the last amnesty. Then they will apply for SSI and SSDI and get it too, and their backpay will go back to whenever they claimed to have illegally entered the country instead of when they first filed for disability. They can also then bring grannie, auntie, and anyone else they claim is family and if they are old or disabled then they get disability, nursing home, healthcare, and so on.
Is a complete crock.
Sure it is. The whole thing is a complete crock and sure they will all be applying for disability for their kids, all phony stuff. What they do not understand is the country is going to collapse from all of this stuff. They can't live ind Mexico but they all say "viva la Mexico." They love Mexico and ONLY their own race of people, they hate us and yet they have to live here and live off of our government programs. They think all white people are rich and that the U.S. must be rich and that the handouts will never end. It's all ending soon, very soon. If we are borrowing $1 trillion each year now to hand out money to everyone, wait in two more years when half of the 80 million baby boomers have retired and gone onto social security and Medicare. Then we will have to borrow more like $3 trillion each year, either that or end the welfare programs. What the Mexicans do not get is that the 80 million baby boomers have carried this nation for the last 40 years and they are retiring and you can't have most of the population uneducated and on welfare programs or retired and think it can all go on. The baby boomers carried the welfare programs and they paid for the World War II folks to all get their government pensions and for them to all get social security and Medicare. The ONLY way this stuff works is when you have a very large educated working population to carry the old age programs and the welfare programs. The idea that most of the country can be on welfare and a few rich folks will pay for all of it is nuts. The rich are global, they can leave at any time. It's all about to collapse. Most of the Mexicans drop out of high school. There is only a tiny population left in the U.S. of young people who are highly educated and paying taxes. All of this stuff is about to collapse and then the Mexicans can either all go to work and pay taxes and go off of welfare or they can go back to Mexico and have a revolution and move on. They should have had a revolution decades ago.

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