Adopt Zakat, Not Hudud

Adopt Zakat, Not Hudud

There are 399 comments on the Lim Kit Siang story from Oct 9, 2011, titled Adopt Zakat, Not Hudud. In it, Lim Kit Siang reports that:

Malay politicians fall all over themselves in advocating hudud, the Islamic penal laws.

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Pawn-King-Nine

Danville, CA

#1 Oct 10, 2011
Malays may not be very motivated to contribute zakat because chinese citizens of the country is paying 90% its tax money... why bother if someone else already pay for your poors? Non-muslims are like milk-cows in Malaysia.

Would compulsory zakat relieve chinese Malaysians from some of their tax burden? Malaysia receive a lot of money from its chinese citizens (just one quarter of its total population) but most of those money goes to benefit muslims only.

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/lette... -

The Chinese may be comprising only 26 percent of the Malaysian population but they are certainly not a minority in the economic and political considerations. The government may impose all sort of restrictions against them, but it seems such restrictions only end up strengthening the Chinese.

As an example, the imposition of a compulsory pass in the Bahasa Malaysia subject in order to pass the Tingkatan V ended with us seeing Chinese students scoring a lot higher marks in the BM than Malays students!

The restriction against Chinese students entering the public institutions of higher learning led them to send their children to local private colleges or to study overseas, and when they graduate and come back they perform better than Bumiputeras.

Preventing them from entering the public service forced them to go leading and excelling in the private sector.

The NEP was a major plan to help the Bumiputeras catch up with the Chinese, but “Chinese economic dominance continued, despite all the hurdles of the NEP. In fact, the Chinese share of the economy actually increased during the NEP period. By 2002, the Chinese share of equity had risen to approximately 40 percent (from 34 percent in 1970).”(James Chin,“The Malaysian Chinese Dilemma: The Never Ending Policy (NEP),” Chinese Southern Diaspora Studies, Volume 3, 2009).

Mahathir had openly said that Malaysia had shifted from having a Malay dilemma to having a Chinese dilemma. It is now the big question of how UMNO should handle the Chinese. The confusion about the conundrum has led to the present situation in which the Chinese have been handled with an unwritten policy that vacillates between accommodation and curtailment.

For UMNO, it cannot do without the Chinese, and yet they continue to be discomforting bedfellows. The dilemma for the Malaysian Chinese is clear: they cannot “go back to China” and yet are not entirely comfortable in their country of birth where they will forever be non-Bumiputeras. As a result of this half-century pressure, hundreds of thousands have actually left, not to “go back to China” but to join the worldwide Chinese diaspora.

Malaysia’s dilemma with the Chinese is that the Chinese wants more rights than what they are supposed to deserve, but without the Chinese the country will collapse overnight. Their financial wherewithal is holding the country upright, giving Malaysia the international edge. As a group running the bigger share of the country’s commerce and industries, and paying almost 90 percent of the country’s income tax, they do have the right to reject undue pressures.

Ultimately we have to face the hard question of how far we would be willing to accommodate the Chinese in Malaysian politics. For certain, continuing to treat them as second-class citizens would be untenable, not indefinitely...
Pawn-King-Nine

Danville, CA

#2 Oct 10, 2011
well... I thought I might as well create a new thread:

Malaysia’s Malay dilemma to Chinese dilemma

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T9M...
simple plan

Indonesia

#3 Oct 10, 2011
While you sit there contemplating you'll wind up left for dead (left for dead)
Life is what happens
While you're busy making your excuses
Another day, another casualty
But that won't happen to me

Whoahh
No we're not gonna waste another moment in this town
Whoahh
We won't come back, the world it's calling out
Whoahh
Leave the past in the past gonna find the future
And misery loves company
Well,so long
You'll miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss me when I'm gone
You're gonna miss me when I'm goooone
When I'm gooone
simple plan

Indonesia

#4 Oct 10, 2011
Won't look back
When I say goodbye
We're gonna leave this hole behind me
Gonna take what's mine tonight
cause every wasted day
Becomes a wasted chance
You're gonna wake up feeling sorry
cause life won't wait
I guess it's up to you

Am I better off dead
Am I better off a quitter
They say I'm better off now

She said nothing
Oh I wanted words but all I heard was nothing
Oh I got nothing, I got nothing
Oh I wanted words but all I heard was nothing
Oh I got nothing
Pawn-King-Nine

Danville, CA

#5 Oct 10, 2011
simple plan wrote:
While you sit there contemplating you'll wind up left for dead (left for dead)
...
ah, thanks for reminding...

I'll go to bed right away...
simple plan

Indonesia

#6 Oct 10, 2011
Oh this has gotta be the good life
This has gotta be the good life
This could really be a good life, good life

Say oh, got this feeling that you can't fight
Like this city is on fire tonight
This could really be a good life
A good, good life
simple plan

Indonesia

#7 Oct 10, 2011
drop hot hot be my daily operation
got to put it work in this crazy occupation
gotta keep it movin' that's the motivation
gotta ride the waves and keep a tight relation
with my team keeping moving and doing it right
i've been in a lab every day til daylight
that's the way things move in this FUNKY business
we took a old samba song and remixed it
simple plan

Indonesia

#8 Oct 10, 2011
I know that you still haven't found you,
And when I wanna stand on my own too
Suddenly you start to show
Signs of what is possible

Anything that they can just to change my mind
When I pass your road I can't help rewind
What is wrong with me?
All that I wanna be is

Every time I'm ready to leave
Always seem to be
Pullin' in the wrong direction
Divin' in with no protection
Man, you can't keep steerin' me wrong

Oh gravity
Pullin' me back
Pullin' me in
Why you pullin' me back
Pullin' me in
Just like gravity

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#9 Oct 10, 2011
hudud=...?
more truth

Tallahassee, FL

#10 Oct 10, 2011
PK9, your posts are interesting indeed.
YeahRight

UK

#11 Oct 10, 2011
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
Malays may not be very motivated to contribute zakat because chinese citizens of the country is paying 90% its tax money... why bother if someone else already pay for your poors? Non-muslims are like milk-cows in Malaysia.
Would compulsory zakat relieve chinese Malaysians from some of their tax burden? Malaysia receive a lot of money from its chinese citizens (just one quarter of its total population) but most of those money goes to benefit muslims only.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/lette... -
The Chinese may be comprising only 26 percent of the Malaysian population but they are certainly not a minority in the economic and political considerations. The government may impose all sort of restrictions against them, but it seems such restrictions only end up strengthening the Chinese.
As an example, the imposition of a compulsory pass in the Bahasa Malaysia subject in order to pass the Tingkatan V ended with us seeing Chinese students scoring a lot higher marks in the BM than Malays students!
The restriction against Chinese students entering the public institutions of higher learning led them to send their children to local private colleges or to study overseas, and when they graduate and come back they perform better than Bumiputeras.
Preventing them from entering the public service forced them to go leading and excelling in the private sector.
The NEP was a major plan to help the Bumiputeras catch up with the Chinese, but “Chinese economic dominance continued, despite all the hurdles of the NEP. In fact, the Chinese share of the economy actually increased during the NEP period. By 2002, the Chinese share of equity had risen to approximately 40 percent (from 34 percent in 1970).”(James Chin,“The Malaysian Chinese Dilemma: The Never Ending Policy (NEP),” Chinese Southern Diaspora Studies, Volume 3, 2009).
Mahathir had openly said that Malaysia had shifted from having a Malay dilemma to having a Chinese dilemma. It is now the big question of how UMNO should handle the Chinese. The confusion about the conundrum has led to the present situation in which the Chinese have been handled with an unwritten policy that vacillates between accommodation and curtailment.
For UMNO, it cannot do without the Chinese, and yet they continue to be discomforting bedfellows. The dilemma for the Malaysian Chinese is clear: they cannot “go back to China” and yet are not entirely comfortable in their country of birth where they will forever be non-Bumiputeras. As a result of this half-century pressure, hundreds of thousands have actually left, not to “go back to China” but to join the worldwide Chinese diaspora.
Malaysia’s dilemma with the Chinese is that the Chinese wants more rights than what they are supposed to deserve, but without the Chinese the country will collapse overnight. Their financial wherewithal is holding the country upright, giving Malaysia the international edge. As a group running the bigger share of the country’s commerce and industries, and paying almost 90 percent of the country’s income tax, they do have the right to reject undue pressures.
Ultimately we have to face the hard question of how far we would be willing to accommodate the Chinese in Malaysian politics. For certain, continuing to treat them as second-class citizens would be untenable, not indefinitely...
Malaysia tax revenue collection (Annual Report 2009)
Company tax - 45.5%
Petroleum income tax (mostly Petronas)- 30.8%
Individual taxpayers - 17.62%

So, can you prove to the world that Chinese taxpayers in Malaysia represent 90% of Malaysia tax revenue?

If you just going to copy paste another lie here, make sure you check your facts, so you won't look like an idiot.
YeahRight

UK

#12 Oct 10, 2011
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
The NEP was a major plan to help the Bumiputeras catch up with the Chinese, but “Chinese economic dominance continued, despite all the hurdles of the NEP. In fact, the Chinese share of the economy actually increased during the NEP period. By 2002, the Chinese share of equity had risen to approximately 40 percent (from 34 percent in 1970).”(James Chin,“The Malaysian Chinese Dilemma: The Never Ending Policy (NEP),” Chinese Southern Diaspora Studies, Volume 3, 2009).
How by helping the Bumiputras get richer, the Chinese become RICHEST.

Contract awarded to Bumis --> Bumi companies get supplies mostly from Chinese suppliers --> Chinese companies give higher pricing to Bumi companies knowing that they have little options available (Chinese already dominated the supply chain even before NEP)

So, is this not fair?
YeahRight

UK

#13 Oct 10, 2011
more truth wrote:
PK9, your posts are interesting indeed.
It's a BEAUTIFUL LIE....
bmz

San Diego, CA

#14 Oct 10, 2011
YeahRight wrote:
<quoted text>
How by helping the Bumiputras get richer, the Chinese become RICHEST.
Contract awarded to Bumis --> Bumi companies get supplies mostly from Chinese suppliers --> Chinese companies give higher pricing to Bumi companies knowing that they have little options available (Chinese already dominated the supply chain even before NEP)
So, is this not fair?
and why should non - muslims be denied their rights just because of FFACED malay muslims.
YeahRight

Melaka, Malaysia

#15 Oct 10, 2011
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
and why should non - muslims be denied their rights just because of FFACED malay muslims.
What are those non muslims''rights denied' exactly? Please elaborate, comprehensively.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#16 Oct 10, 2011
YeahRight wrote:
<quoted text>
What are those non muslims''rights denied' exactly? Please elaborate, comprehensively.
easy...ffaced muslim. what rights does a ex-muslim malay have in malaysia run by filthy bastard malay muslims.
Yeah right

Sweden

#17 Oct 10, 2011
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
easy...ffaced muslim. what rights does a ex-muslim malay have in malaysia run by filthy bastard malay muslims.
ex muslim or non muslim? make up you mind dude
more truth

Tallahassee, FL

#18 Oct 10, 2011
YeahRight wrote:
<quoted text>
What are those non muslims''rights denied' exactly? Please elaborate, comprehensively.
Read the article. They deny educational rights, citizenship rights. The Chinese are getting the jump on them.
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#19 Oct 10, 2011
dok st wrote:
hudud=...?

part of Islamic sharia law with potential to:

Barbarization of Malaysia

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T80...
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#20 Oct 10, 2011
YeahRight wrote:
<quoted text>
Malaysia tax revenue collection (Annual Report 2009)
Company tax - 45.5%
Petroleum income tax (mostly Petronas)- 30.8%
Individual taxpayers - 17.62%
So, can you prove to the world that Chinese taxpayers in Malaysia represent 90% of Malaysia tax revenue?
If you just going to copy paste another lie here, make sure you check your facts, so you won't look like an idiot.
The ~ 90% number is reported in various sites, and Musa Bakri who writes about this is a Malay himself. I don't think the official race-based statistics is ever disclosed (if you have a link please share), but those who want to find out could do their own research based on individual earnings and Malaysia's tax structures.

If you are talking about entire Malaysia's revenue from tax and dividen it collects, we can safely say that chinese contribution cannot be anywhere close to 90% of that amount, but at the same time how are you going to put a number on contributions based on individual races, unless you're claiming that Petronas represents only Malays, how about companies, corporations, organizations , are they considered Malay, Chinese, Indian? If the Malaysian government doesn't impose Malay dominance of the public sectorto counterbalance the non-Malay dominance in the private sector, would Malays be able to contribute even the amount they are contributing now? And many Malays simply don't have to pay tax.

Just how could you include contribution from Petronas, a state-owned entity and claim its Malay-ness? If chinese or indian could freely compete in that "business" would it still be considered a major malay contributiion??

Now, is the "Zakat" issue that this thread is based on an individual issue or a government/corporate/organizat ional issue? If we are talking about race-based comparison, we must be talking about individual tax contributions, and from my observation on that (an ex-Malaysian myself, although admittedly I have never worked a single day there or paid a single ringgit of tax) and that made by others on the internet (and admission from Mahathir himself about how the policy failed to improve Malays economic status), I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the 90% number (perhaps the number would include indian Malaysians).

Can you provide the link to your statistics (as irrelevant as they are as to this discussion on tax contribution by race, I want to see what the entire article say). According to BERNAMA, the national oil company RM28 billion out of RM186 billion, which is about 15% of the nations revenue, instead of the over 30% that you claimed.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/newsbusi...

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