Family moving because of ghosts

Family moving because of ghosts

There are 69 comments on the News 9 Oklahoma City story from Jul 13, 2008, titled Family moving because of ghosts. In it, News 9 Oklahoma City reports that:

A family in Seminole, Okla. is considering moving because of the ghosts that torments them.

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James

United States

#21 Jul 16, 2008
Sooner you said:

"James, don't make judgements about someones Christianity when you know nothing about them! I am a Christian and I very much believe in things I cannot see. You show where in the Bible that ghosts come back and haunt houses! Are you saying that the folks in this house are involved in a spiritual battle with the devil? I would believe that more than I do ghosts haunting a house."


Although you apologized for the name calling which was noble of you, weren’t you doing the same thing in judging these folks? You tell me not to make judgments about a person’s Christianity however you sat back and did the same thing. Who if any of us has the right to judge these people? How do we know they aren’t Christians themselves? Just because they believe in ghosts doesn’t mean they aren’t Christians. I do believe the Bible mentions ghosts as well as angels, demons and unclean spirits. So are you denying your own Christian beliefs and teachings since the Bible acknowledge that ghosts are real?

Who knows why ghosts are here and I for one am no expert on the subject matter!! Maybe they haven’t found a way to cross over. There could be a ton of reasons why and we may never know until we are in spirit some day!! I will also say that if the chances of you ever going to a place that has ghosts will probably never happen, especially if you were to do what these folks do…help people.

I have been to their website and am impressed!!! Maybe you too should check it out!
Georgia Shadow

Oklahoma City, OK

#22 Jul 16, 2008
Well, this is definately a interesting subject! Being fron SouthEastern Georgia, James... I would have to agree with you totally. Ms. Lisa... I think you remained very professional in what you had to say, Kudo's to OKPRI and the fact that they do try to help others with not only scientific methods..but spiritual as well. Now, as far as this Sooner guy... must I say anymore. You called these people rednecks,hillbillies...etc. As far as them being a embarrassment to Oklahomans...the only embarrassment to Oklahoma is YOU!!!!! You must have went to school there...because I feel you are the one acting like a hillbillie and redneck!!!! Also, you say you are a Christian...find that hard to believe. You obviously don't read your bible...even Jesus Himself refers to ghosts, demons, and angels here on earth. The paranormal is VERY REAL!!!! Maybe one day you will get to experience it for yourself....(God willing)... and then as you pepe and poop in your pants... ALL the people involved in paranormal research across the nation can have a good laugh at your uneducated...um...hillbilly redneck self. Sent with love from GEORGIA!
Likes Micky Ds

Tulsa, OK

#23 Jul 17, 2008
Sooner Shadow wrote:
James, don't make judgements about someones Christianity when you know nothing about them! I am a Christian and I very much believe in things I cannot see. You show where in the Bible that ghosts come back and haunt houses! Are you saying that the folks in this house are involved in a spiritual battle with the devil? I would believe that more than I do ghosts haunting a house. Also, as I've stated many times during these posts, I will be glad to go look for a ghost if someone will point me to the nearest haunted house!! No one has wanted to answer that question as of yet! And what I choose to call what these folks are experiencing is an over active imagination! Someone show me proof and then I will take what you say to the bank!!
so you don't believe in the Holy Ghost? why you satanist go back down south where you belong
Likes Micky Ds

Tulsa, OK

#24 Jul 17, 2008
Sooner Shadow wrote:
Well Lisa, I have a business appointment to keep so I will be stepping away from my desk for a while (I can hear your cheers). It seems to me that you have commneted on everything except the two questions I wanted you to answer.
1. Have you ever seen a ghost?
2. Can you prove to me that there are ghosts?
I guess I will take your refusal to answer those questions as a NO on both. I guess we just need to agree to disagree. All the best in life Lisa and God speed to your husband! I truly hope he makes it back to his family ok! As I said before, he is a true American Hero!! What we are arguing about here is really insignificant compared to what he is going through everyday. Sorry if I offended you.
So basically you don't know what you believe. You say you believe in things you can't see when it comes to the bible but what others may see or here is not real. you can't have it both ways. I was a skeptic but through personal experience I have changed my mind, but in true christian style you brought money into the equation.
Likes Micky Ds

Tulsa, OK

#25 Jul 17, 2008
James wrote:
Sooner you said:
"James, don't make judgements about someones Christianity when you know nothing about them! I am a Christian and I very much believe in things I cannot see. You show where in the Bible that ghosts come back and haunt houses! Are you saying that the folks in this house are involved in a spiritual battle with the devil? I would believe that more than I do ghosts haunting a house."
Although you apologized for the name calling which was noble of you, weren’t you doing the same thing in judging these folks? You tell me not to make judgments about a person’s Christianity however you sat back and did the same thing. Who if any of us has the right to judge these people? How do we know they aren’t Christians themselves? Just because they believe in ghosts doesn’t mean they aren’t Christians. I do believe the Bible mentions ghosts as well as angels, demons and unclean spirits. So are you denying your own Christian beliefs and teachings since the Bible acknowledge that ghosts are real?
Who knows why ghosts are here and I for one am no expert on the subject matter!! Maybe they haven’t found a way to cross over. There could be a ton of reasons why and we may never know until we are in spirit some day!! I will also say that if the chances of you ever going to a place that has ghosts will probably never happen, especially if you were to do what these folks do…help people.
I have been to their website and am impressed!!! Maybe you too should check it out!
James very well said.
Vicki

Oklahoma City, OK

#26 Jul 17, 2008
It is great to see that you guys are open minded enough to post this. Anyone who has experienced something like this can relate.
Christy

Tulsa, OK

#27 Jul 18, 2008
Wow, a lot of good comments here and I appreciate everyone who has come on here and supported our group. My name is Christy and I am the Founder/Director of the group and I for one can honestly say that just because you can't always see something, doesn't mean it isn't real or doesn't exist!!

We as paranormal researchers and investigators are out there to help people who have this issue going on and we are there to document and record these happenings. I believe our group has obtained a lot of recorded proof that ghosts are real and as it's already been stated, we're not out here to prove it to anyone. We do this for ourselves as a serious study and also to educate and help those being affected by the paranormal. No matter what type of evidence is put out there to show that ghosts are real, there will still never be enough to convince a skeptic which is one reason why we don't try to convince anyone.

Here's our motto: Paranormal: The Normal Not Yet Understood.

What makes something paranormal? It is something that is not normal to most because they aren't familiar with it. People also fear what they don't understand which is usually the case with the paranormal and one of the reasons why it is commonly put in a bad light.

Sooner, I see that you haven't been back to answer anything on this post but I wish you would so you can see other points besides your own. While I took your beginning comments quite offensive, I am not shocked because I have learned in my 9 years of doing this that there are a lot of shallow minded people out there that automatically judge what someone does without first getting the facts.

Our team is not out there conjuring up demons or spirits, nor are we holding seances or playing with Ouijia boards. We are also not trying to prove to anyone that ghosts are real. We simply observe, document and record the happenings taking place in a location and use it for paranormal research. Our team consists of believers and skeptics alike as well as those that hold to Christian faith and beliefs.

We don't make money off of our investigations as everything comes out of our own pockets. We do fund raisers to help with traveling, equipment, etc. since we conduct all of our investigations for free. We are a legit group however as we have our own federal tax id number and we pay taxes at the end of the year on any fund raising money we acquire.

Yes, what we do is out there on the internet for others to either appreciate or in your case Sooner, to criticize but we however will still stand by what we do and remain firm beliefs that we are providing a helpful service to many while at the same time, furthering our own knowledge.

Knowledge and truth are greats things to have in any area but one first must have an open mind and the willingness to learn and accept truths when they are presented before them!

Again my thanks to Christian for filming this story with us and to my team OKPRI and to all those who stand in support of us!
bobbie

Oklahoma City, OK

#28 Jul 22, 2008
Come on Lisa. Your husband is not overseas so stop making people think you are suffering . Also stop throwing out the mother bit. Your children are nearly grown so do not require that much of your assistance. As for the paranormal stuff I agree the shadow needs some education. And no, we are not poor white trash. In fact it costs a LOT of our own money to continue doing what we love to do-- investigate the unexplained.
Christy

Mustang, OK

#29 Jul 22, 2008
I never said that my husband was overseas in Iraq. Learn to comprehend what you read. However he has been gone quite a lot for the military which provides freedom for ungrateful people like you which in turn leaves me home alone with the children. Thats called sacrifice. As far as my children are concerned do you need a cease and desist order???? I can get one since you like to slander innocent people. I have a 9 year old with special needs. Yes I have 4 teenagers ranging from 17 to 13 but it doesnt mean they need me none the less. Maybe you ought to try to get more involved with your son and you will find out just how much your kid still needs you and maybe he wont turn out like your others who were left at teenagers with no guidance and supervision what so ever by your own admittance. Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you Bobbie but I will however tell you, this is your warning of cease and desist. If you chose to continue to bring me in your childish 45 year old games...which you should have grown up by now.....I will seek the order and punitive damagaes as well. You know my number you have something more to say call me. Otherwise you need to forget you know me and who I am. I owe you nothing and am not afriad to seek legal action. Try me!
Lisa

Mustang, OK

#30 Jul 22, 2008
Sorry this post was by me not Christy, Bobbie,
I never said that my husband was overseas in Iraq. Learn to comprehend what you read. However he has been gone quite a lot for the military which provides freedom for ungrateful people like you which in turn leaves me home alone with the children. Thats called sacrifice. As far as my children are concerned do you need a cease and desist order???? I can get one since you like to slander innocent people. I have a 9 year old with special needs. Yes I have 4 teenagers ranging from 17 to 13 but it doesnt mean they need me none the less. Maybe you ought to try to get more involved with your son and you will find out just how much your kid still needs you and maybe he wont turn out like your others who were left at teenagers with no guidance and supervision what so ever by your own admittance. Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you Bobbie but I will however tell you, this is your warning of cease and desist. If you chose to continue to bring me in your childish 45 year old games...which you should have grown up by now.....I will seek the order and punitive damagaes as well. You know my number you have something more to say call me. Otherwise you need to forget you know me and who I am. I owe you nothing and am not afriad to seek legal action. Try me!
Christy

Tulsa, OK

#31 Jul 22, 2008
One more thing....We would like to keep this positive despite what a disgruntled x-member is saying about us and I'm sorry for those who have had to read this. We have tried to cut the negative ties with this individual but she keeps trying to publicly attack us in every way she can and whenever she sees a potential opportunity.

We would still like to spend out a special thank you to Christian and News 9 for promoting us and covering the work that we do since we are sincere in our endeavors and we firmly stand behind the good work that we do to not only further our research but also by helping those in our Oklahoma community. We will continue to do so despite those who's intentions are negative towards us!

Again thanks to all and look for Christian's next story to arrive soon!
bobbie

Oklahoma City, OK

#32 Jul 22, 2008
lisa i did not slander you or your children. i was referring to shadow's comment where he seems to think your husband is gone overseas. and for both you and christy's information you have both slandered here. i have proof that i am owed money and that is not slander. so why don't the two of you quit lying and grow up. and lisa why don't you speak for yourself instead of parroting christy. i am angry only about the loss of my money that i gave to someone i thought was a friend. and as for my e-mails to you christy they have been requests for re-payment and i have saved every one of them and will be happy to present them in court. i even have the e-mails you sent me telling me you would re-pay me. so i have not committed slander as i have told only the truth.
Lisa

Mustang, OK

#33 Jul 22, 2008
Quote:"Come on Lisa. Your husband is not overseas so stop making people think you are suffering . Also stop throwing out the mother bit. Your children are nearly grown so do not require that much of your assistance"

Quote:"lisa i did not slander you or your children. i was referring to shadow's comment where he seems to think your husband is gone overseas."

Then what do you call this??? And how do you know WHERE my husband is at the moment??? You don't. You came out at me like a bull in a china shop. I'm telling you to back off I don't owe you an explanation much less anything else. I don't know why you made your comments towards me however..........Are you willing to go the distance for your mouth because your distance will be legal action. Choice is yours.
Christy

Tulsa, OK

#34 Jul 22, 2008
Bobbie,

You have no proof of anything linking me to any money owed to you because I don't owe you a dime!!! And as I have stated...take it up with the person you should have the issue with Bobbie and grow the heck up! I owe you nothing, not even an explanation and trust me when I say that I have all your emails and correspondences saved as well so I also know the truth!

Call your childish public stabs what you want to call them but you should really grow up a bit a quit playing your "stalker" hate games because you are **** off about being kicked off our our team. Again, here's more proof of your derranged behavior and why you had to be let go.

Contact you privately? Why would I want to do that since I had to end up blocking your email address because of the stalker hate emails that you kept sending me after I kicked you out of the group!!! I was so sick of the constant turmoil you kept stirring within our group and when you were asked to stop, you didn't so I had no choice but to release you. It's not my fault that you are obviously still mad. It's no one fault but your own so you really need to quit playing games since you are a 45 year old woman who needs to grow up! You know my phone number and you haven't tried to contact me by phone since you left and I wonder why? Could it be because you know that you are in the wrong and that I will tell you just how things truely are? Be a woman and grow the heck up!

As far as jail? I have to laugh...PLEASE!!! My "boyfriend" was in no way shape or form heading to jail for any reason. The only thing he is guilty of is complaining about the endless ranting and gossiping that you did whenever he was around you or when you were in the group! You want to talk about 2 sided? Maybe you should look at your children. Apparently you were not the role model mother you should have been or your own kids wouldn't have ended up in jail and you wouldn't of had to miss investigations to go bail them out and take them to court, let alone constantly pay their monthly bills because they have no money since they use it for drugs. Now who's calling the kettle black?

As far as my reputation....it is fine and still growing in a positive way because I am doing good things unlike you. No one but you cares about the derranged crap you put out in public in order to try to ruin my reputation. It won't work so you might as well stop trying. As a matter of fact. You will stop or I will pursue you legally! This is your warning to cease and desist and quite bothering me and my group and if you don't, I will pursue you legally and we'll see what the judge has to say about that! We don't bother you or contact you nor do we try to slander you every chance we get, especially in public so return the favor or face the consequences! Don't believe me? Well then just try me!!!! Quit stalking me and my group and Quit trying to slander us. This is your last warning!

BTW.....Jealousy is a bad thing to harbor. Don't hate us because we are moving forward in a positive manner and getting the deserved recognition we are getting. Please go play with your goonies and leave us alone.

So...You do what you got to do Bobbie as I really don't care anymore! I'm so sick of you and your constant turmoil that I want nothing more to do with you or your goonies and if you continue, you will be hearing from my attorney!!! Last warning!!!
bobbie

Oklahoma City, OK

#35 Jul 22, 2008
both of you are slandering me by calling me deranged, a stalker, a bad parent. the list goes on. so if you think you can sue me for slander you just try. i never said anything slanderous because if you speak the truth it is not slander. and yeah i'm sick of you too christy with all the lies you tell. i won't be back to comment because i do not wish to be subjected to your idiotic, overblown dissertations. you really need to watch the word bloating you have
Lisa

Mustang, OK

#36 Jul 22, 2008
Hmmm truth hurts I guess. I have not slandered you, you however came at me. You need to read what has been said because you are not comprehending what has been stated by whom. I haven't called you deranged, stalker, or a bad parent. I have only defended the slanderous remarks made agianst myself and my family.

Now with the comments that Christy made, If that has upset you then that is between you and her not me. She calls it like she see's it and you know it. And I know that she is sick of dealing with you and wants to be left alone like she has given you the respect of leaving you alone.

Enough already.

Bobbie I do not have a "problem" with you nor have I, and why you insist on creating one is beyond me.

Have you returned to your job sweetie? You really need to jump in and get focused on something for yourself and not let this bitterness keep eating at you.

Honey it's okay we all have bad days and bad times in our life. Don't let bitterness make you an unhappy person.

Do you need a hug sugar?
bobbie

Oklahoma City, OK

#37 Jul 22, 2008
oh one other thing lisa. my husband is in the military too. he has served in 2 wars so climb off your high horse with me. i was also a mother of 5 but never felt the need to shove it down people's throats in order to be a martyr.
Lisa

Mustang, OK

#38 Jul 22, 2008
Main Entry: 1mar·tyr
Pronunciation:\ˈmär-t ər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Greek martyr-, martys witness
Date: before 12th century
1: a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion
2: a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
3: victim; especially : a great or constant sufferer <a martyr to asthma all his life — A. J. Cronin>
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Main Entry: 2martyr
Function: transitive verb
Date: before 12th century
1 : to put to death for adhering to a belief, faith, or profession
2 : to inflict agonizing pain on : torture

Nope I don't think that this applies to me sorry sweetie.

Thats right your husband is in the military as well, therefore, you need to remember your courtisies and customs i.e. enlisted, officer. You are his dependent and he is responsible for your actions. You came out at me, I said nothing that warranted your tyrants towards me. Now this is the last time I say "Cease and desist". Maybe we should be in front of our husband's commanders and you can explain why you find all this necessary. Then you can re-explain yourself to a judge. Your choice.

I don't habor any ill feelings towards you. I'm sorry if you feel opposite towards me. Sugar, you just need to take a deep breath and read a good book. It's very relaxing. Chill out and enjoy what is left of the summer. Be free and live life. Thats one thing in this world that everyone has. The freedom to just smile and be happy.

“Momma say what!!!”

Since: Jul 08

Formaly OKC

#39 Jul 22, 2008
dang! bobbie you do sound like a deranged stalker to these people you seriously need to get a job if you dont have one. this is not the place to air dirty laundry. lisa is right she didnt say anything that even remotely constituted your bashing of her and as far as christy goes thats business that has no business on here of it it is true. but it sounds to me like you are going after the wrong person for the money. and that is neither here nor there. get a life and let these kind people have the peace you seem to not want to give them. dang have you heard of prozac or better yet lithium?
Christy

Tulsa, OK

#40 Jul 23, 2008
Thank you "Maomma say what"

And Bobbie....whatever you think really!!! I'm just sick of dealing with you!!!

I called you derranged because you have been. Every time we appear publicly you are there with a negative comment just like on here and then on the Newson6.com where you were telling everyone to "Beware of me" because I stole your money and I am a fake psychic and I use peple to get to the top! You and Adrian both were starting crap on there. Let's also not forget the thread you all started on your new group's team board where you all bashed me, my team and then my family, including my 12 year old daughter making fun of her for her disabilities oh and I won't even mention what you all said about others, including Lisa!!! Then, you have even posted negative comments on our web site's guest book and I had to delete them. You have contacted some of our clients and told them awful things about us and then offered for your new team to come in and investigate there. That's just the beginning.....should I keep going?

So yeah, I called you derranged because you are. So do us all a favor and quit following us around and acting like a crazy lunitic hoping to ruin us by your nasty little comments and leave us alone!

I agree that it would be best if you don't come back on here and comment!!! For once I agree with you on something!!!!

BTW....My attorney will be getting a copy of all of this!

Have a nice life Bobbie and stay away from me and leave me, my family and my group alone!!!

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