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Gemma

UK

#1 Apr 20, 2012
My best friend was unfortunately sent to a Young Offenders Centre for 3 months, & on arrival was subjected to the normal strip search etc, which she was ready for, but then during showers & before her medical, she was forced to completely shave herself.
When i checked on line, it seems this is normal practice in the prison service for females, but not for males. That doesnt seem fair.
Big boy

Johannesburg, South Africa

#4 Apr 20, 2012
I think that is a fantastic uk prison rule. Love shaven

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#5 Apr 20, 2012
Gemma wrote:
My best friend was unfortunately sent to a Young Offenders Centre for 3 months, & on arrival was subjected to the normal strip search etc, which she was ready for, but then during showers & before her medical, she was forced to completely shave herself.
When i checked on line, it seems this is normal practice in the prison service for females, but not for males. That doesnt seem fair.
I agree and it really makes no sense at all. I think it's wrong to force women to do this.

In the US, women have many privileges men do not have.
Katherine

UK

#6 Apr 21, 2012
Gemma wrote:
My best friend was unfortunately sent to a Young Offenders Centre for 3 months, & on arrival was subjected to the normal strip search etc, which she was ready for, but then during showers & before her medical, she was forced to completely shave herself.
When i checked on line, it seems this is normal practice in the prison service for females, but not for males. That doesnt seem fair.
I worked in the Prison Service for just over 10 years, & i can tell you, it was decided that all females should shave on entry, so that it made visual inspections & security checks easier. Years ago,officers were allowed to carry out strip searches & conduct cavity searches, if it was suspected a female was hiding something.Then the law changed, allowing ONLY medical staff to conduct cavity searches, & officers were, & are, only allowed to use physical contact for restraint purposes etc. So your friend was shaved so that staff had a clear unobstructed view of her vagina, & could either have her stand astride a mirror or squat & pull her vagina open for them, without having to touch her.
I agree it isnt fair that males do not have to shave, but on strip searching a male, he is simply instructed to lift up his penis, & staff can see straight away if he is hiding something. With females you can not do that.
It is my understanding, that in the Young Offenders Centres, where your friend was, after 3 months girls 16 & over are allowed to grow pubic hair , but only at the front, & the vagina must be kept clear. Girls in custody under 16 are kept hair free.
Hope that helps.

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#7 Apr 21, 2012
Katherine wrote:
<quoted text> I worked in the Prison Service for just over 10 years, & i can tell you, it was decided that all females should shave on entry, so that it made visual inspections & security checks easier. Years ago,officers were allowed to carry out strip searches & conduct cavity searches, if it was suspected a female was hiding something.Then the law changed, allowing ONLY medical staff to conduct cavity searches, & officers were, & are, only allowed to use physical contact for restraint purposes etc. So your friend was shaved so that staff had a clear unobstructed view of her vagina, & could either have her stand astride a mirror or squat & pull her vagina open for them, without having to touch her.
I agree it isnt fair that males do not have to shave, but on strip searching a male, he is simply instructed to lift up his penis, & staff can see straight away if he is hiding something. With females you can not do that.
It is my understanding, that in the Young Offenders Centres, where your friend was, after 3 months girls 16 & over are allowed to grow pubic hair , but only at the front, & the vagina must be kept clear. Girls in custody under 16 are kept hair free.
Hope that helps.
I can mostly understand this as an entry security measure, but not after that. And your last paragraph makes it even worse.
Katherine

UK

#8 Apr 22, 2012
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>I can mostly understand this as an entry security measure, but not after that. And your last paragraph makes it even worse.
I included the last paragraph details, because her friend was admitted to a Young Offenders Centre, not an adult prison, & so the information was relevant to her question. The other point you raise, is that after admission to the institution, inmates are strip searched on a regular basis, & so the reasons given for the initial shaving, are appropriate throughout their sentence.
Inmates are selected at random for searches after ; visiting, outside work placements, hospital trips etc. Once inside, it doesnt stop them from concealing home made weapons,contraband etc,so the searches are important. During my career, i found 2 mobile phones, bags of cannabis, tablets, & a swiss army knife, all concealed within their body.
So that is why regular strip/cavity searches are carried out throughout their stay in detention, & that is why the policy for shaving remains constant. I hope that sensibly tries to address your relevant points Tim.
Rosemary

UK

#10 Apr 22, 2012
I spent 5 months inside, & fortunately my solicitor was brill, & she let me know exactly what to expect, & so i fully shaved myself before i went to court. That saved me the humiliation when i got there.
LouiseBB

UK

#11 Apr 23, 2012
I do not understand what all the fuss is about. If a girl/woman commits a crime serious enough to warrant a prison sentence, then if the authorities think it is necessary for her to be shaved,then she must be. I can understand their concerns about females hiding things inside their vagina, & if they are only allowed to conduct visual searches,then you do not want the view covered by pubic hair.
I assume it is only done by female officers,& equally i do not see age as having any relevance. Whether you are a juvenile offender at 12 or a hardened woman prisoner of 50. Rules are rules, & if you dont like it, then dont do the crime in the first place.
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George

UK

#12 Apr 23, 2012
This thread is fascinating, & i never knew that this happened in prisons. While i appreciate how embarrassing this must be for females, surely its just common sense, that they have a vagina that can conceal things, & males do not, so it makes perfect sense to shave them bald so it can be seen & checked properly by the staff.
LeanneP

UK

#14 Apr 23, 2012
George wrote:
This thread is fascinating, & i never knew that this happened in prisons. While i appreciate how embarrassing this must be for females, surely its just common sense, that they have a vagina that can conceal things, & males do not, so it makes perfect sense to shave them bald so it can be seen & checked properly by the staff.
Sorry, George but thats crap. We cant help the way god made us. I was in an Offenders Centre in the North of England, & it was horrible. Unless you have ever had to undress in front of strangers, shower/shave in front of them, & even use the toilet , then you cant possibly know how it feels.

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#15 Apr 23, 2012
LeanneP wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, George but thats crap. We cant help the way god made us. I was in an Offenders Centre in the North of England, & it was horrible. Unless you have ever had to undress in front of strangers, shower/shave in front of them, & even use the toilet , then you cant possibly know how it feels.
Not to mention, grab your cheeks, squat and cough.
LeanneP

UK

#16 Apr 23, 2012
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>Not to mention, grab your cheeks, squat and cough.
Yes, thanks for reminding me. LOL
Samantha

UK

#17 Apr 24, 2012
Not sure i understand what the problem is here. I work as a nurse at our local Maternity Hospital, & we shave women all the time.
I guess when we shave, its always done one to one in complete privacy, whereas from what i am reading, in these prisons, it sounds like its done in the open, which i agree seems a bit cruel, but then its a PRISON not a hotel.
Strangely enough, we do get girls/women brought into us occasionally by the authorities for a complete body search,mainly drug related, but we always try to maintain their dignity, no matter what.

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#18 Apr 24, 2012
The problem here is the FORCE. Forced shaving isn't right. I understand security precautions but feel trimming is more humane and meets the same goal.

Keep in mind also we are NOT talking about prison, we're talking about inequality of treatment.

On that note, men aren't required to shave pubic hair, but they are required to shave facial hair except a mustache and keep the hair on their heads short.
loveitall

Tobyhanna, PA

#19 Apr 24, 2012
When I was 18 a bunch of "friends" stripped me held me down and proceeded to shave my pubic hair off. They told me to quit moving or they might accidentally cut my balls off. After the shaved what they could they put Nair or something like that on my groin. They left it on and continued to hold me down. When they took it off I was completely smooth. It took 5 weeks to get it back to short hairs and another to to get the bush back. During that time I had two physicals for college/sports and had to use the showers in school for sports and gym. Way embarrassing.

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#20 Apr 24, 2012
loveitall wrote:
When I was 18 a bunch of "friends" stripped me held me down and proceeded to shave my pubic hair off. They told me to quit moving or they might accidentally cut my balls off. After the shaved what they could they put Nair or something like that on my groin. They left it on and continued to hold me down. When they took it off I was completely smooth. It took 5 weeks to get it back to short hairs and another to to get the bush back. During that time I had two physicals for college/sports and had to use the showers in school for sports and gym. Way embarrassing.
you think that's bad? A friend of mine once let his girlfriend shave his into a heart the day before he was arrested. Strip search in a crowded room! Uh oh.
Abigail

UK

#21 Apr 25, 2012
Tim raises a good point. Female inmates do not have to cut their hair short, maybe just tie it back, whereas men are forced to keep their hair short. So if women have to remove their pubic hair & men do not,i guess makes it equal.( Sort of ).
Another point Tim raises is equally valid. Why do females have to fully shave. As he says, surely a trim to expose the vaginal lips would be adequate. I suspect its more designed as a way to break their spirit, & impose their authority.
I can speak from experience, because my best friend was sent down for 4 months, for reasons i do not want to go into, other than it was theft,not violence.
She told me that she too, had to shave completely on being admitted,& that staff even have to watch a female as she changes a tampon.!!!
You think that is completely wrong, until you realise that last year 23 girls attempted to commit suicide by swallowing a tampon. So then you can understand why the staff have to watch.
I think unfortunately, because of the way us females are built, the lack of privacy seems worse,but when you understand why, it does seem justified.
Chris Hansen

United States

#22 Apr 25, 2012
The same idiot has been posting in this thread under 1; names. George Leanne Katherine Samantha Abigail Louise rosemary etc...
Josh

UK

#24 Apr 26, 2012
Chris Hansen wrote:
The same idiot has been posting in this thread under 1; names. George Leanne Katherine Samantha Abigail Louise rosemary etc...
You are the idiot my friend. Look at the location details. They are from towns & cities, hundreds of miles apart.!!
Chris Hansen

United States

#25 Apr 26, 2012
Josh wrote:
<quoted text> You are the idiot my friend. Look at the location details. They are from towns & cities, hundreds of miles apart.!!
TROLL

Anyone can pick whatever location they want from the change location page. All the grammar and use of ampersands is a dead giveaway.

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