Bootyologist

Germantown, MD

#44 Dec 16, 2007
aucklandguy wrote:
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And what if that doesn't work? Bootyologist, it is not just as easy as telling people; go, get an image makeover, or go, do this, or go, do that. Females these days expect a lot of things and one has to accept that some guys will not make the grade. Even in nations where there is a shortage of males (such as New Zealand).
I don't dispute that it may be creepy, but there are people out there that cannot help for the fact that they are still virgins at older ages.
Also, let us not forget that in the next few decades, older virgin males will become more common as the international gender imbalance gets worse (IIRC, there will be two hundred million more males than females).
I guess on some levels we agree and on some levels we disagree. Barring exceptions such as the male to female ratio I may can relate. It really is hard for me to phantom a man with average looks and personalty unable to have sex past 25. I also have to make note of what Trish mentioned as she made great observations as well. One thing she said was that they're not creepy per se but their acts from not having any has psychologically created weirdness within them. Anywho until next time......

Chow
Bootyologist

Germantown, MD

#45 Dec 16, 2007
phathom

Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#46 Dec 17, 2007
Bootyologist wrote:
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I guess on some levels we agree and on some levels we disagree. Barring exceptions such as the male to female ratio I may can relate. It really is hard for me to phantom a man with average looks and personalty unable to have sex past 25. I also have to make note of what Trish mentioned as she made great observations as well. One thing she said was that they're not creepy per se but their acts from not having any has psychologically created weirdness within them. Anywho until next time......
Chow
Somebody who's average looking probably doesn't have problems if they go out and meet people. I know this 33 yo guy that I would consider average looking and he reckons his always getting offers. He doesn't have a good personality, his a pig. He does these loud obnoxious farts and burps and finds it funny. Every girlfriend that he gets he ends up abusing them and they still go back to him until he eventually goes to far.

Since: Aug 07

Auckland, New Zealand

#49 Dec 18, 2007
First of all, IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt, it is not a case of making whores easily accessible to older virgins; I certainly wouldn't like losing my virginity to a whore, especially if I am pressured by society to do it. I would rather lose it to someone, while maybe not a special someone, someone that I know, not some stranger picked up off the street.

What the problem is society. As I have said before, women these days are more picky about their men, even in nations where there are more women than men. If men do not meet their standards, then it is just a matter of they are left on the docks, and become the creepy, older virgin. Women need to lead the charge and give people a chance; it is not all about penis size or muscle size or the amount of cash you have in your bank account, we are people as well - we are all different.

Also, hhc, while I do agree with your point about missing the boat, also, bear in mind that there are older virgins out there that did not even have a chance in the first place. They may not have even had the choice not to lose their virginity, and we cannot and should not judge them for something that they could not help for.

Finally, Bootyologist; I slightly disagree with the concept of a normal looking person theoritically being able to lose their virginity by 25. These days, if you lack muscles, or have some flaw like that, even if you are average, you are going to have problems finding women.

Since: Aug 07

Auckland, New Zealand

#50 Dec 18, 2007
Also, why should we treat people being older virgins as mentally disturbed people as needing "treatment." They are not mentally disturbed, again, they are the victims of women's over the top standards.
HHC

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#51 Dec 18, 2007
aucklandguy wrote:
First of all, IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt, it is not a case of making whores easily accessible to older virgins; I certainly wouldn't like losing my virginity to a whore, especially if I am pressured by society to do it. I would rather lose it to someone, while maybe not a special someone, someone that I know, not some stranger picked up off the street.
What the problem is society. As I have said before, women these days are more picky about their men, even in nations where there are more women than men. If men do not meet their standards, then it is just a matter of they are left on the docks, and become the creepy, older virgin. Women need to lead the charge and give people a chance; it is not all about penis size or muscle size or the amount of cash you have in your bank account, we are people as well - we are all different.
Also, hhc, while I do agree with your point about missing the boat, also, bear in mind that there are older virgins out there that did not even have a chance in the first place. They may not have even had the choice not to lose their virginity, and we cannot and should not judge them for something that they could not help for.
Finally, Bootyologist; I slightly disagree with the concept of a normal looking person theoritically being able to lose their virginity by 25. These days, if you lack muscles, or have some flaw like that, even if you are average, you are going to have problems finding women.
I am not judging them. It is not a crime or something immoral.

Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#52 Dec 18, 2007
aucklandguy wrote:
First of all, IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt, it is not a case of making whores easily accessible to older virgins; I certainly wouldn't like losing my virginity to a whore, especially if I am pressured by society to do it. I would rather lose it to someone, while maybe not a special someone, someone that I know, not some stranger picked up off the street.
What the problem is society. As I have said before, women these days are more picky about their men, even in nations where there are more women than men. If men do not meet their standards, then it is just a matter of they are left on the docks, and become the creepy, older virgin. Women need to lead the charge and give people a chance; it is not all about penis size or muscle size or the amount of cash you have in your bank account, we are people as well - we are all different.
Also, hhc, while I do agree with your point about missing the boat, also, bear in mind that there are older virgins out there that did not even have a chance in the first place. They may not have even had the choice not to lose their virginity, and we cannot and should not judge them for something that they could not help for.
Finally, Bootyologist; I slightly disagree with the concept of a normal looking person theoritically being able to lose their virginity by 25. These days, if you lack muscles, or have some flaw like that, even if you are average, you are going to have problems finding women.
Normal looking guys don't usually have problems. Not every women has typically high standards. I don't think all women are picky about the men they want to go out with. I have known women that will have sex with just about any guy. Most people that I have known to be virgins at the 20+ generally are that way through choice. Some guys are shallow and want a supermodel looking girl. If you have no morals just about anybody can get laid. I have known guys that have huge ego's because they take advantage of passed out girls. I think its disgusting.

If your like me and that ugly you literally can scare people. Than the chances of finding somebody that will even go out with you is about zero. Finding somebody to love you when you have no attractiveness is zero.
Bootyologist

Germantown, MD

#53 Dec 18, 2007
If your like me and that ugly you literally can scare people. Than the chances of finding somebody that will even go out with you is about zero. Finding somebody to love you when you have no attractiveness is zero.
Ronnie buddy listen....Here is my advice once again. Get "psychocybernetics by maxwell maltz" (dont get the one co authored with bobbe summer(?)make sure you get the original). I am reading it myself right now. I decided to take a break to see what was going on in here. Anyhow, read this book and apply it. I can give you the tools but you have to use them. You might can find the book online for free if you know how to look for it,lol. If not, then amazon.com selling it for various prices. Stay off the net and away from the TV for a while and let me know if it changes your outlook on life.

If you take the advice in the book to heart then you should be fine. Alot of people jump from book to book without getting everything out of the first book they read. Don't be like those fools. If you study this book over and over and over immersing yourself in it, knowing this book like you know how to breathe, then, I can gurantee you happiness.
Now back to my reading

later knuckle heads
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Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#54 Dec 18, 2007
Bootyologist wrote:
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Ronnie buddy listen....Here is my advice once again. Get "psychocybernetics by maxwell maltz" (dont get the one co authored with bobbe summer(?)make sure you get the original). I am reading it myself right now. I decided to take a break to see what was going on in here. Anyhow, read this book and apply it. I can give you the tools but you have to use them. You might can find the book online for free if you know how to look for it,lol. If not, then amazon.com selling it for various prices. Stay off the net and away from the TV for a while and let me know if it changes your outlook on life.
If you take the advice in the book to heart then you should be fine. Alot of people jump from book to book without getting everything out of the first book they read. Don't be like those fools. If you study this book over and over and over immersing yourself in it, knowing this book like you know how to breathe, then, I can gurantee you happiness.
Now back to my reading
later knuckle heads
I'm getting that book now, I will give it a chance. I doubt, it will tell me anything that I don't already know, but I got nothing to lose.

Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#56 Dec 18, 2007
IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt wrote:
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Not all sex workers are the hookers on the street corner. The type of sex worker for a late-life virgin would be a sex therapist, massage therapist, or escort. This would be someone they can talk with and find the type of help or advice they need so they will be ready for a relationship.
The majority of sex workers are only doing it for a quick and easy dollar. They don't care about the client. If somebody is physically unattractive there isn't any real way that anybody can help them. Despite what some say, the way somebody looks does matters. Is your that ugly that you scare people it doesn't matter how you dress or look after yourself, nobody will ever love you. If you are beautiful then you will have no problems finding someone, even if you are a rapist or a serial killer. It's the way the world is.
IWasTooYoungToEn joyIt

Durham, CA

#57 Dec 19, 2007
aucklandguy wrote:
Also, why should we treat people being older virgins as mentally disturbed people as needing "treatment." They are not mentally disturbed, again, they are the victims of women's over the top standards.
I don't think they are mentally disturbed, but treatment may improve their luck. Some late-life virgins, or anyone who have gone years without sex, may have an enxiety, fear or disability that prevents them from hopping into bed with anyone anywhere. Some or most virgins will fail to have sex when given the opportuntiy, especially if under pressure of time constraints in an uncomfortable environment.
IWasTooYoungToEn joyIt

Durham, CA

#58 Dec 19, 2007
Ronnnie wrote:
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The majority of sex workers are only doing it for a quick and easy dollar. They don't care about the client. If somebody is physically unattractive there isn't any real way that anybody can help them. Despite what some say, the way somebody looks does matters. Is your that ugly that you scare people it doesn't matter how you dress or look after yourself, nobody will ever love you. If you are beautiful then you will have no problems finding someone, even if you are a rapist or a serial killer. It's the way the world is.
I think most professional sex workers have a number of regular clients. Some must care enough to keep the regular clients coming back. If it were legal, this "investment" in their regular clients would be more valuable. After a few visits, they would get familiar with the client's needs, which would be helpful in solving problems that hinders the clients ability to have sex. About being ugly, I think a client that falls in love with the prostitute is more creepy than someone who is physically ugly.

Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#59 Dec 20, 2007
IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt wrote:
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I think most professional sex workers have a number of regular clients. Some must care enough to keep the regular clients coming back. If it were legal, this "investment" in their regular clients would be more valuable. After a few visits, they would get familiar with the client's needs, which would be helpful in solving problems that hinders the clients ability to have sex. About being ugly, I think a client that falls in love with the prostitute is more creepy than someone who is physically ugly.
How can somebody falling in love be ugly? I don't understand how being in love with anybody is a bad thing. Its sad that somebody loves somebody that won't reciprocate it, but that happens all the time. Its only a bad thing is the person that in love tries to force the other person to love them back.
IWasTooYoungToEn joyIt

Oroville, CA

#60 Dec 21, 2007
Ronnnie wrote:
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How can somebody falling in love be ugly? I don't understand how being in love with anybody is a bad thing. Its sad that somebody loves somebody that won't reciprocate it, but that happens all the time. Its only a bad thing is the person that in love tries to force the other person to love them back.
After I posted I realized I should have been more positive. Is what I ment to say was that looking physically ugly may be less of a handycapt than looking like a stalker that would fall in love with the prostitute. Some prostitutes may avoid virgins, for fear that a virgin may stalk the prostitute. And some prostitutes may seek ugly people, for that they could become regular clients for a long time if the client has difficulty finding a partner.
yaku

India

#61 Dec 21, 2007
sorry if you are 18 and still have not tasted dick.........

Since: Dec 07

Leichhardt, Australia

#62 Dec 21, 2007
IWasTooYoungToEnjoyIt wrote:
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After I posted I realized I should have been more positive. Is what I ment to say was that looking physically ugly may be less of a handycapt than looking like a stalker that would fall in love with the prostitute. Some prostitutes may avoid virgins, for fear that a virgin may stalk the prostitute. And some prostitutes may seek ugly people, for that they could become regular clients for a long time if the client has difficulty finding a partner.
I don't think a prostitute really cares or thinks about it that much. A prostitute still decides who they will have sex with. I would hope a client would be able to realize that all they are going to get is sex. Theres a thin line between chasing love and stalking. I hope there isn't anybody who naive enough to think a prostitute could fall in love with them. All prostitutes want is the money.
Lem

Saint Petersburg, FL

#64 Jun 24, 2008
I'm 23 and still a virgin. I've had many oppurtunities, but so far I haven't found anyone I'd want touching me, let alone fucking me.

I'm seriously beginning to believe I'm asexual, because I truely have no desire to have sex. The whole idea of it seems rather 'bleh' to me.
asdfguy

Clintonville, WI

#65 Jun 24, 2008
hhc wrote:
I think thatmissed opportunity has alot to do with it. I don't see older virgins as creepy. I see them as people that waited too long and missed the boat. I agree with Trish, it could be insecurities about themselves, fear of diseases, fear of not finding the "right" one, or just simply they do not want to be promiscuous.
The "missed the boat" thing is how I feel. I also have some anxieties and generally bad self-esteem. But I think I look fairly good for a guy, and I have a decent personality. But I'm very individualistic, so I don't try to fit in. I think that may be part of the problem.

Part of it too, was that for the longest time I dreamt of becoming a vagrant or a hermit and wanted to get away from society. Now I'm not as attracted to that lifestyle.

Since: Dec 07

Brisbane, Australia

#66 Jun 24, 2008
asdfguy wrote:
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The "missed the boat" thing is how I feel. I also have some anxieties and generally bad self-esteem. But I think I look fairly good for a guy, and I have a decent personality. But I'm very individualistic, so I don't try to fit in. I think that may be part of the problem.
Part of it too, was that for the longest time I dreamt of becoming a vagrant or a hermit and wanted to get away from society. Now I'm not as attracted to that lifestyle.
I don't see it as a bad thing. I think if its just a case of mis opportunity then eventually you are gonna have success. For myself that isn't the case, I have had no opportunities. I have had people saying I'm not good enough for anyone. For me its the case that I'm mustn't be good enough person. That being said there isn't much I can do different to what I'm doing to become a better person. I try my best but it just isn't good enough.
A non-creepy virgin

Richmond Hill, NY

#67 Jul 25, 2008
Lem wrote:
I'm 23 and still a virgin. I've had many oppurtunities, but so far I haven't found anyone I'd want touching me, let alone fucking me.
I'm seriously beginning to believe I'm asexual, because I truely have no desire to have sex. The whole idea of it seems rather 'bleh' to me.
Yeah, it's the similar thing for me. I'm 24 years old and I'm still a virgin and I think the main reason is because I haven't gotten into a serious relationship and I am not willing to have sex with someone I'm not involved with. And also like you, I never had a strong sexual drive. During my teen years I never had the desire to have sex and the desire has hardly changed since I hit my 20's. I guess when the right one comes along...

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