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#610
Jul 20, 2010
 
MessyJessie wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that gyne's are almost predominately men right? I don't associate, nor do most 'normal' women, sex with an exam. That is just sick. Neither do the doctor's. I see no pleasure in it nor should you.
What I am interpreting is your insecurities. If I am at risk for a gynecological cancer and there isn't a female doctor available, I should lie at home, waiting to die, just so my hubby doesn't get the wrong impression? That is absolutely ridiculous and absurd!!!!
Try to be realistic here buddy and maybe you should schedule an appt. with a therapist. Make sure it's a male though. Wouldn't want to upset the wife. Lmao!!!
No, actually that is not right. According to a study of New York residents completing training in 2006 where the proportions of men and women graduating from residency programs and pursuing subspecialty training were compared. Multivariate regression analysis was conducted to analyze trends over time while controlling for confounding variables. The proportion of male graduating Ob/Gyn residents decreased from 46% to 23%.

The conclusion was as the proportion of men entering Ob/Gyn residency programs declines, the number of men entering general Ob/Gyn is declining at an even more dramatic rate

Just because YOU, the doctors that you site (whoever they are), and the women that YOU consider "normal" do not associate sex with an exam, does not mean that others don't. And how exactly are you defining "normal"? Is normal a statistical average with you, or is it just your opinion? If if is true that your 'normal' women don't associate sex with an exam, it's not relevant. It's not what YOU associate, it's what the Dr. associates. Let me share a secret with you......men (ALL men) are visual creatures. It is the way nature intended!(Trust me on this, I've been one for 62 years.) That fact is supported by the vast array of men's magazines, videos, etc. Therefore, there is no amount of college study/training will ever make a difference. Nature, God, Buddha, or whatever you choose to call it will always prevail! There is just no way a female can undress, lift her knees so that her thighs are vertical, then place them on a 90 degree angle without invoking some degree of pleasure for the viewer.

You are not interpreting insecurities, you're ASSUMING them.

If you are at risk for a gynecological cancer? I bet you don't even know the figures! The CDC estimated that 11,070 women would be diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2008. And note, that was ONLY an estimate. I don’t know what the U.S. population was then, but as of July of last year (2009) it was 307,006,550. Fairly simple math, allowing that approximately half of the population is female (153,509,275) and dividing this into the figure of 11,070 it is easy to see that only .007% of females are positive for the disease. CONVERSELY, that also means that 99.993% of females are negative for it. Furthermore, just because you MAY have a risk factor of .007%, does not mean that you are going to be lying at home "waiting to die" so why don't you give up the drama. Fact of the matter is I'd LOVE to find a casino that would give me odds ANYWHERE NEAR 99.993%. With 10 bucks I'd close the place.

I submit that it is you that needs to be realistic. Why don't you do some research before making some of the posts that you make. Take control of your own health instead of putting it in the hands of men that want their face where it should not be.

*source: http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378 (06)00975-6/abstract
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Jul 20, 2010
 
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Don't worry about it man he's a doctor thats his job, no need to flip out, im sure he is not in there fingering her, he's doin what he has to do and BTW, my wife is a nurse and MOST OF ALL MALE GYNO DOCTORS have a female medical assistant or nurse in the room you have to now a days to avoid sexual scandals
Surprise, surprise....the female medical assistant or nurse in the room is for the protection of the doctor (you know, her employer, the one that signs her PAYCHECK, the one that she will NEVER testify against in court).
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Jul 20, 2010
 
.........and just one more thing. I don't care if your wife is Madame Curie, she doesn't know what is happening in every gyn exam room on the planet.
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Jul 20, 2010
 
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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No, actually that is not right. According to a study of New York residents completing training in 2006 where the proportions of men and women graduating from residency programs and pursuing subspecialty training were compared. Multivariate regression analysis was conducted to analyze trends over time while controlling for confounding variables. The proportion of male graduating Ob/Gyn residents decreased from 46% to 23%.
The conclusion was as the proportion of men entering Ob/Gyn residency programs declines, the number of men entering general Ob/Gyn is declining at an even more dramatic rate
Just because YOU, the doctors that you site (whoever they are), and the women that YOU consider "normal" do not associate sex with an exam, does not mean that others don't. And how exactly are you defining "normal"? Is normal a statistical average with you, or is it just your opinion? If if is true that your 'normal' women don't associate sex with an exam, it's not relevant. It's not what YOU associate, it's what the Dr. associates. Let me share a secret with you......men (ALL men) are visual creatures. It is the way nature intended!(Trust me on this, I've been one for 62 years.) That fact is supported by the vast array of men's magazines, videos, etc. Therefore, there is no amount of college study/training will ever make a difference. Nature, God, Buddha, or whatever you choose to call it will always prevail! There is just no way a female can undress, lift her knees so that her thighs are vertical, then place them on a 90 degree angle without invoking some degree of pleasure for the viewer.
You are not interpreting insecurities, you're ASSUMING them.
If you are at risk for a gynecological cancer? I bet you don't even know the figures! The CDC estimated that 11,070 women would be diagnosed with cervical cancer in 2008. And note, that was ONLY an estimate. I don’t know what the U.S. population was then, but as of July of last year (2009) it was 307,006,550. Fairly simple math, allowing that approximately half of the population is female (153,509,275) and dividing this into the figure of 11,070 it is easy to see that only .007% of females are positive for the disease. CONVERSELY, that also means that 99.993% of females are negative for it. Furthermore, just because you MAY have a risk factor of .007%, does not mean that you are going to be lying at home "waiting to die" so why don't you give up the drama. Fact of the matter is I'd LOVE to find a casino that would give me odds ANYWHERE NEAR 99.993%. With 10 bucks I'd close the place.
I submit that it is you that needs to be realistic. Why don't you do some research before making some of the posts that you make. Take control of your own health instead of putting it in the hands of men that want their face where it should not be.
*source: http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378 (06)00975-6/abstract
messyjessie: OUCH!! Taken to school. That's what happen when you think with emotion and nots facts. Also, the amount of grad resident female gyn's continues to grow every year.
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Jul 20, 2010
 
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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Surprise, surprise....the female medical assistant or nurse in the room is for the protection of the doctor (you know, her employer, the one that signs her PAYCHECK, the one that she will NEVER testify against in court).
the great (lol) dr.(?) Finkel (who will be a guest of CA. For the rest of his life) nurse never said anything until she was questioned under oath. There have been hundreds of more cases where the doctors have sexualy assaulted or raped woman and the nurse has not stopped it. Those are only the reported ones, imagine how many go un reported each year.
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Jul 20, 2010
 
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Women and girls are INCREDIBLY naive to go to male gynecologists and think that these guys are only into this profession for the sake of womens health. Please, Please get real ladies. There are a million ways to help women that DO NOT involve handling their genitals, pinching nipples, fondling breasts, rubbing clitorises, palpating vaginas, and placing women into degrading positions(stirrups, legs spread, sit back relax....) In all seriousness and I do not pick sides on this issue, this is closer to the real truth of why men would do this profession. Most men of any intellect(including gyns) are smart enough and capable enough to find the profession of their choice that satifies their needs. If you are not a man, you could not possibly understand how they think. A man will find a way to satifiy these urges and desires. This type of man makes me lose respect for men in general because they do not care about who they hurt when they do this(husbands, wifes, girlfriends, boyfriends, fathers, and mothers).
I honestly believe that if a woman truly loves a man, she will consider NOT going to male gynecologists. This I find as a real truth when it comes to the bond of a man and a woman. Another thing women should do more research on is that these exams are not that neccessary. They lack specificity. Pap smears are innaccurate and there are better ways to screen for cancer that do not involve stirrups and white coat doctors handling your private, intimate areas. Even the most skilled gyn cannot rely on the bimanual exam. They just do it because it's the ways it's always been done. In the future all this will be a footnote in the history of medicine. "They used to do what to women?!?"
My girlfriend sese only female gynecologists now for the simple fact that a woman can understand a WOMANS body better! The gentle male gyno is just that, gentle enough to get you to spread your legs for you and get your business. He knows most of these exams are useless on healthy women and he is taking your insurance money and your dignity.
This is how I feel and I really wish more women would realize this truth about doctors. It really is an issue of having some kind of control over women's bodies when it comes to choosing a profession that allows access to these parts of the female anatomy that really should be the domain of a man and woman in love. Stop allowing these perverts to continue to recommend pelvic exams everytime you go in for a bumped elbow. Any doctor that asks you when your last pelvic exam was WANTS TO SEE YOU NAKED AND MOLEST YOU. These men have found a way to do it legally and it is truly disgusting. Most men of any morals would not do this profession.
Keep repeating this to yourselfs if it hasn't sunk in yet....
"this man chose a profession where he handles breasts and vaginas"
"this man chose a profession where he handles breasts and vaginas"
"this man chose a profession where he handles breasts and vaginas"
"this man chose a profession where he handles breasts and vaginas"
"this man chose a profession where he handles breasts and vaginas"
repeat....repeat...repeat...
Well said Jake. I couldn't agree more.
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Well said Jake. I couldn't agree more.
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Jul 21, 2010
 
Mary wrote:
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Tammy speaks for herself. She doesn't speak for me. When I see my male doctor, there is a female nurse with him. It's just about medicine, nothing else.
It may be just about medicine for you, but HIS female nurse is there for HIS protection, to deter you from your thoughts of a law suit if/when he takes those extra 1 or 2 strokes during the bi-manual which will NEVER be noticed by anyone but you. Remember something....SHE is HIS nurse. He employs her. Writes her paycheck. Do you really think she's going to jeopardize her job, maybe her career (what other doc will hire a nurse that helped her last doc get a prison sentence?) by testifying in court against him?

Google "convicted gynecologists" and have a look at the hits. As of the other day I saw 476,000.
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OMG! I just listened to that audio ( stories.quietchoices.com ) and I am completely grossed out!!If I would have heard this before my first time, I would have canceled immediately! I hope it isn't to be taken seriously. As I listened to it, I just imagined the guy speaking and felt nauseous.
It is now over a year since your post. I have tried to access the audio file without success. I get "Not Found

The requested URL /first_pap_smear_teen_1.mp3 was not found on this server.

Considering how adamant you have been to this point, and how you say that you are grossed out, I think I'm glad that I can't hear that file, and I'm a 62 year old man!

Lisa, I can assure you that none of the men here, Homer, Jake, NicK, me, and others dislike you in any way. And I doubt that any were arguing with you either. I don't know what you heard on that file, but I would be willing to bet you $1,000 to your $1 that the men here were trying to get across to you the sentiment that you likely heard on that file. It's good to hear that you would have canceled. I'm glad that file opened your eyes. You're gaining some experience now! I hope that when you are thinking about making your next appointment for this useless, invasive, intimate exam that you will recall what you heard and re-consider. If you like your Doc that much, date him! Hell, marry him! Just please don't make yourself a piece of meat on a table. This is the ultimate disrespect of a woman.
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Jul 21, 2010
 
John wrote:
If you men are still worried about your wives going to a male doctor for her Gyno exams, well maybe you should not be reading this topix subjects. You are essentially a Neatherthal and treating your women like a piece of meat.
Ha! Right! Stick our heads in the sand just like an ostrich. Yep, denial will fix everything. Maybe we should also ignore everything else that we worry about too. You make no sense. And with regard to treating our women like a piece of meat, that pretty much is OUR complaint of these gynos. Oh, and if you're going to use a word like Neanderthal, at least learn how to spell it.
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Jul 21, 2010
 
Lisa wrote:
MEN: It is great that you care about your wife and your relationship enough that you are actively involved with her health care. This is great if she agrees with you! However, you have no right to judge others who do not feel the same as yourselves (Homer, you remember that part of the bible?;).
This forum is not going anywhere, y'all judge, and we defend. Why don't we all just agree to disagree and call it a day?
Did you already forget the content of that audio file Lisa?
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Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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Well said Jake. I couldn't agree more.
jake wrote: everytime a male dr ask a woman when was her last pelvic/pap smear , all he really wants is to see her naked, etc. This is so true. I've heard woman mention the same complaint over the years. This is coming from male g.p.'S. I guess they want in on the action also. In the instances I've heard of none of the woman fell for it. They then switched to female g.p.'S . Woman make better docs. Men can't control their hormones. How can they be thinking about what they are suppose to withe their female patients when their mind is on s*x?
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Jul 22, 2010
 
Quote: jake wrote: everytime a male dr ask a woman when was her last pelvic/pap smear , all he really wants is to see her naked, etc. This is so true. I've heard woman mention the same complaint over the years. This is coming from male g.p.'S. I guess they want in on the action also. In the instances I've heard of none of the woman fell for it. They then switched to female g.p.'S . Woman make better docs. Men can't control their hormones. How can they be thinking about what they are suppose to withe their female patients when their mind is on s*x? "

You know guys, my wife never goes to male docs but she is ALWAYS grilled about the last pap and pelvic and always baggered into getting it again, no matter WHEN it was last done. And if she switches docs, it's guaranteed to happen. The female docs are NO better! My wife and I have had a lot of arguments over it. Women are too brainwashed by doctors and other information. It's never going to stop until women wise up and say NO MORE!I am glad to see these posts. I thought I was the ONLY guy who hates that crap.
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Jul 26, 2010
 
My wife always tells me about her examinations. I love it. She said that the doctor actually slipped off her knockers once.
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My wife always tells me about her examinations. I love it. She said that the doctor actually slipped off her knickers once
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Jul 29, 2010
 
Lisa wrote:
pts, how old is your daughter? Unless she's sexually active or having problems she shouldn't have to go until age 21.
Why Lisa? What is so magical about 21? And as far a sexually active, should you not chang that to sexually promiscous? There is absolutely nothing infectious about seman.
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Jul 29, 2010
 
FLN wrote:
I have a question for everyone in general. When a woman goes to the doctor, its a "visit", when a man goes its an appt. I've been asking my wife a lot of questions since reading some of the comments. It seems that she falls on the side in these debates of liking her exams. We talked about the subject a few times and then decided that I should go with her the next "visit." Well, I know why it's called a visit! If a woman doesn't get excited during a gyn exam she isn't normal. What I witnessed was no less than an orgy without actual intercourse. Her doctor did things to her that would make for a great x rated movie. The nurse was younger than my wife and I have no doubt that she was getting excited just watching the whole thing. The next time you guys hear "I just love my doctor," she isn't kidding. I guess the part that really got my attention was the double penetration. One finger in the vagina and one finger in the anus at the same time. Now I know why you ladies call it a "visit!"
No, ladies don't call it a visit....women call it a visit. Ladies do not call it anything, because they refuse to accept the assualt.
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Jul 29, 2010
 
it is just a gyno exam. but preference to be given to lady doctor. A male doctor seeing private parts is not preferable for some couples.
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Jul 30, 2010
 
My wife swears she hates it and that it is embarrassing. I was able to watch one exam she had years ago but she no longer will let me go. She now lies about it, and apparently has been lying about her visits for the last 5 years. She will admit to a pap test and nothing else. We have had some good arguments about it lately. She knows I know what goes on with pap tests but will not admit to it. But for someone who claims to hate it so much she sure gets a lot of them. And she only goes to female doctors. She claims she has to get the pelvic exams because she wants to get her migraine meds. But I don't think she EVER tried to get them without the pelvics. I don't buy her "I hate it" excuses. It doesn't add up. I asked past girlfriends why they go to male docs only and never got a good excuse. I too think most women do like it.
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Jul 30, 2010
 
sunil wrote:
it is just a gyno exam. but preference to be given to lady doctor. A male doctor seeing private parts is not preferable for some couples.
I believe that is a religious and female submissive..male dom issue.

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