How soon should your daughter start seeing a gynecologist? Earlier than most people think, say Drs.

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Not With My Lady You Dont

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#23 Jan 25, 2012
John wrote:
Intimate exams on a twelve year old? I would die if my mom tried to make me do this at 12. I sure hope the doctor was a woman. Twelve year old virgin and your already scared she's going to die because someone else got cancer.
Our daughter will choose for herself when she goes when she is at an older age. I can't imagine making my young daughter have her birth canal examined.
Only observational. Does that mean no internal invasive penetration? I hope to God so. If you let her be examined by a man and they are already entering her birth canal at 12 then I can't relate to you at all. I hope you haven't traumitized her for life.
My wife went to a doctor in her 20's before we got married (She chose it herself as an adult she didn't have it inflicted on her by her own mom when she was a child). Twelve years old? I'm speachless.
John, for what it's worth, I think you're taking the right approach. I hope that by the time your daughter is approaching that "older age" that you mention that either you or her mom will have educated her regarding the TRUE cause of cervical cancer and how very rare it is.

According to figures published by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) for 2007, 2.4 women out of a group of 100,000 died from cervical cancer in the U.S.
Doctors do not disclose these figures for self-sustaining reasons.
Think about it....if you provide some type of specialized service, are you going to turn business away based on true statistics, or accept (and maybe even promote) your business?

Women are NOT born as a walking disease waiting to happen.
MPM

Waynesville, NC

#24 Jan 25, 2012
If a teenage girl must be taken to a gynecologist, she should always go to a female one. I had one friend who is still traumatized by the fact that she went to a male gynecologist when she was 14. She is 40 today. Some teenage girls do have gynecological problems that require them to go to a female gynecologist. Moms should never take them to a male gynecologist under any circumstances.

See important tips for female teenagers at http://sexualmisconductbydoctors.com/teenagef... .

Also check out the article about teenagers and modesty in medical settings at http://patientmodesty.com/teenagers.aspx .
LanceAlotofM

Naperville, IL

#25 Jan 25, 2012
my two before teens have both been opened up for inspection, and ONLY a male gyno will ever look up them, not some ©unt muncher, fu©k off lezboz. :-)
man

Elizabethtown, KY

#26 May 5, 2012
its wrong to take such a young girl to a male gyno. it makes me sick to think about these moms that take their daughter to one, and preach to them not to have sex until marriage. hello, you just let a man do that to your daughter
JASON

Dracut, MA

#27 May 7, 2012
LanceAlotofM wrote:
my two before teens have both been opened up for inspection, and ONLY a male gyno will ever look up them, not some ©unt muncher, fu©k off lezboz.:-)
Its a good thing your ignorant and stupid, it makes you easier to catch, PEDOHILE.
JASON

Dracut, MA

#28 May 7, 2012
man wrote:
its wrong to take such a young girl to a male gyno. it makes me sick to think about these moms that take their daughter to one, and preach to them not to have sex until marriage. hello, you just let a man do that to your daughter
Yes, it is wrong. IF a girl really needs treatment, see a woman doc. Plenty around these days, no excuse.
Not With My Lady You Dont

AOL

#33 Jul 30, 2012
paulhogan wrote:
<quoted text>let me say just one thing kat! you acted swiftly for the health of your daughter, considering how it runs in your family and its no ones business but yours and those other profiles who judge you, pay no attention and best not to reply back! better safe than sorry for your child,s health!
lol, I see that you're about as well informed as Katerina.

Cervical cancer is not hereditary.
Not With My Lady You Dont

AOL

#35 Jul 30, 2012
paulhogan wrote:
<quoted text>opinions on this thread may vary from person to person since we all have a point of veiw about many things but when it comes to the health of your child be it male or female, one would act in thier bst interest at heart and you sir/madam may or may not agree with that! so please don,t
go raming ur beliefs on others because you disagree!
Cervical cancer not being hereditary has nothing to do with my beliefs. It's fact. Google it and you can see for yourself
Stephen

Nottingham, UK

#37 Aug 22, 2012
John witherspoon wrote:
There is no need for "routine gynaegological examinations".
This is a myth created by male gynaecologists in order to sexually abuse young women. Which they do every day until they get caught.
Keep clear of perverts. Don't let your daughter go within a mile or they will find an excuse to sexually abuse them (in the name of medicine, of course).
Come into the real world!
John, I've read from other people that in the Scotland area, school pupils around the age of 17 have to have a school medical. I read from a man whose girlfriend is from Scotland that at 17 the girls in her school were aksed to get completely naked in front of the school doctor, which was a male. Is this true? Do school pupils around Scotland and Glasgow area have to be completely naked for school medicals?
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#38 Sep 20, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
<quoted text>
My best response to this 'hysteria' is this link:
http://www.womensfreedomproject.org/
You might want to pay particular attention to the middle of the fifth paragraph where it states: "The more frequently a woman is tested, and the younger she is when she starts testing, the more likely she is to get a false positive"
Not With My Lady
I'm glad you have input this advice on this site.
It is also important, for your daughters safety and modesty, to be aware of the fact that there is no obligation to see a male gynecologist; patients can request a female for her intimate care.

Young girls should not have to cross "that modesty barrier" and become accustomed to any man's attention to her "private areas". This is an important tool in her resolve not to get nvolved with men at an inappropriate age.

Please see 4 threads here on topix which detail some of the emotional and relationship pain that women and their partners have experienced as a result of trusting male gynecologists (there are alarming incidents of male Gyn/OBG sexual misconduct - spanning, notonly the USA, but Canada and Europe, but also Asia and the developing world). Please take the time to research these legal cases and forearm yourself with the rationale for/against medical GYN/OBG procedures, many of which are counter-productive to the safeguarding of womens/girls health.

PLEASE VISIT THESE 4 "Topix" THREADS:

1)Male gynecologists
2)How husbands feel about male gynecologists
3)My wifes anal exam
4)Why docters are obsessed with vaginas

Here you will see links re. GYN/OGB sexual assault cases(worldwide)

Testimonies from women (including me) who have been assaulted

Testimonies from men (partners) explaining how their relationships have suffered/or ended as a result of this "inappropriately intimate" intrusion by male Doctors/hospital staff.

Please also note the resource "Patient Modesty" which is a web. resourse counselling and advising patients on how to protect their modesty during the persuit of health care.
Modest Woman

Waynesville, NC

#39 Sep 20, 2012
If a teenage girl must be taken to a gynecologist, she should always go to a female one. I had one friend who is still traumatized by the fact that she went to a male gynecologist when she was 14. She is 40 today. Some teenage girls do have gynecological problems that require them to go to a female gynecologist. Moms should never take them to a male gynecologist under any circumstances.

See important tips for on preventing female teenagers from being sexually abused by doctors at http://sexualmisconductbydoctors.com/teenagef... .

Also check out the article about teenagers and modesty in medical settings at http://patientmodesty.com/teenagers.aspx .
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#40 Sep 20, 2012
For additional discussion regarding safeguarding daughters within the realm of OBS/GYN

Please note the other related threads on topix:

.Male Gynecologists
.Why are doctors obsessed with breasts & Vaginas
.My wifes anal exam
.How husbands feel aabout male gyn's

On these threads you will find info and links on the following RELATED ISSUES

1)Male Doctor sexual assault cases - USA, Europe, Canada

2)Testimonies from medical assault victims (mine included)

3)Gynecology procedures - analysis of their usefulness....stats info.

4)Male gynecologists - Impact on relationships a man's (partner) perspective

In order to make informed decisions and safeguard your children
Debz

Ottawa, Canada

#41 Sep 20, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
<quoted text>
First, I offer my condolences on the passing of your family members.
Next, you made the statement that you "know exactly what causes cervical cancer",......okay, so what causes it?
I've lost family to pancreatic cancer, lung cancer, and complications from respiratory disease, but none of that in and of itself means that I "know exactly what causes" those cancers/diseases!
So I ask again point blank...What exactly causes cervical cancer?
(lack of a response, a response that attempts to side step a direct answer, or declining to answer with a claim of 'I don't owe you an answer' or something similar, will be very telling)
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
<quoted text>
My best response to this 'hysteria' is this link:
http://www.womensfreedomproject.org/
You might want to pay particular attention to the middle of the fifth paragraph where it states: "The more frequently a woman is tested, and the younger she is when she starts testing, the more likely she is to get a false positive"

PLEASE ALSO VISIT OTHER TOPIX FORUM - WHAT AGE SHOULD DAUGHTERS START OBG/GYN HEALTH CARE VISITS?
WHERE THIS IS POSTED:

Not With My Lady
I'm glad you have input this advice on this site.

It is also important, for your daughters safety and modesty, to be aware of the fact that there is no obligation to see a male gynecologist; patients can request a female for her intimate care.

Young girls should not have to cross "that modesty barrier" and become accustomed to any man's attention to her "private areas". This is an important tool in her resolve not to get nvolved with men at an inappropriate age.

Please see 4 threads here on topix which detail some of the emotional and relationship pain that women and their partners have experienced as a result of trusting male gynecologists (there are alarming incidents of male Gyn/OBG sexual misconduct - spanning, notonly the USA, but Canada and Europe, but also Asia and the developing world). Please take the time to research these legal cases and forearm yourself with the rationale for/against medical GYN/OBG procedures, many of which are counter-productive to the safeguarding of womens/girls health.

PLEASE VISIT THESE 4 "Topix" THREADS:

1)Male gynecologists
2)How husbands feel about male gynecologists
3)My wifes anal exam
4)Why docters are obsessed with vaginas

Here you will see links re. GYN/OGB sexual assault cases(worldwide)

.Testimonies from women (including me) who have been assaulted

.Testimonies from men (partners) explaining how their relationships have suffered/or ended as a result of this "inappropriately intimate" intrusion by male Doctors/hospital staff.

.Please also note the resource "Patient Modesty" which is a web. resourse counselling and advising patients on how to protect their modesty during the persuit of health care.
Melanie

UK

#42 Sep 20, 2012
There is NO minimum age when a girl should see a gyno. All this rubbish about doctors seeking sexual gratification from examinations is both wrong & insulting to the medical profession. Over the years my family have had to put our faith in the N.H.S staff, & never once have we been let down. Personally my girls are 11 14 & 16, & i hope they dont need to see a gyno for many years to come, but if there was a problem, & my G.P recommended they see one, i would not hesitate.
John

Louisville, KY

#43 Sep 20, 2012
My daughter is nine. "IF" something were wrong and they advised that examining there was a good idea we would definitely make sure a female doctor performed it and we'd definitely talk to her about it. I could only imagine this would be scary for her and a little traumatizing and having to be seen in the nude by a man would only be more traumatizing. I wonder if mom's would talk to their daughters about this, hear there fears, ask them if they would prefer a lady or just say you're getting this exam, get undressed so MR. DOCTOR can come examine you nude between your legs.
John

Louisville, KY

#44 Sep 20, 2012
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/informed-...
There could always be something "wrong" which may lead to some type of exam but as far as this trend of "you're 18 now get examined every year for the rest of your life" applies here is an interesting view from a doctor:
by Joel Sherman, MD on November 23rd, 2009in ConditionsThe American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) has just revised their guidelines for Pap smears under some pressure. This resulted from an Annals of Internal Medicine article which documented that only 16.4% of gynecologists followed the Collegeís prior guidelines. Most did more screenings than indicated, the worst record of the specialties tested. But the ACOG still recommends that nearly all women obtain regular screening at intervals of 1-3 years.
The facts are that cervical cancer is a rare disease in the US, a point which is never made. The American Cancer Society (ACS) predicts that there will be just over 11,000 cases in 2009. There will be nearly as many cases of testicular cancer, 8,400. In comparison both breast and prostate cancer are just under 200,000. Most women have been led to believe that cervical cancer is rampant and they need yearly screening to prevent it. Testicular cancer however, is rarely mentioned. Most physicians donít even bother to recommend that young men self-examine.
Cervical cancer was once more common in this country and that accounts for some of the disparity. Pap screening has helped reduce the incidence, but far more is now known about the disease than when the Pap smear was introduced. Cervical cancer is in essence a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the human papillomavirus (HPV). Thus any woman can estimate her personal risk. Itís high if a woman has had multiple sexual partners. With prior negative Paps itís low if she abstains or if she is in a long term mutually monogamous relationship. The newer HPV DNA test will further increase safety.
For comparisonís sake, HIV (AIDS) is an even more dangerous STD with a five times greater incidence than cervical cancer. Yet no one ever suggests that everyone be tested for HIV, and there are laws in many states restricting testing. Testing is suggested only for those at risk, but this tactic is never used for cervical cancer.
John

Louisville, KY

#45 Sep 20, 2012
continued from above:

I have seen a spontaneous outpouring of sentiment from women who are angry that the facts on cervical cancer have been hidden from them. They are pushed into getting Paps, but never told the pros and cons of screening. Never mentioned are the high incidence of abnormalities that resolve spontaneously, negative biopsies and colposcopies. Itís an uncommon doctor who even advises that every 2-3 year screening is considered appropriate in low risk women. My wife has had about 45 negative annual Paps and still her doctors havenít said she can skip any. There are many recent recommendations suggesting that men be carefully told the options concerning prostate screening. We are just beginning to see that for breast cancer screening. But for cervical cancer screening there has been near silence on the issue.
Informed consent on cervical cancer screening is completely lacking in this country. Women are told that they need Pap tests, but rarely told if they might not need them or asked if they want them. The ratio of negative biopsies and colposcopies to cases of cervical cancer is very high given the rarity of cervical cancer. If women are given brochures, they are for the sole purpose of convincing them to get regular testing.
The negative aspects of mass cervical screening are never mentioned. Women should be given the facts and allowed to decide for themselves based on their individual risk benefit ratio whether or not they need regular cervical cancer screenings. The ACS and the ACOG could do a real service by providing pamphlets to providersí offices that fully explain both the pros and cons of testing. Then let each individual woman decide for herself.
John

Louisville, KY

#46 Sep 20, 2012
Well the first post dropped out, leaving only the 2nd half so that makes no sense. Let me try this again.

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/informed-...
John

Louisville, KY

#47 Sep 20, 2012
Comments from doctor in above article:

Informed consent is missing from Pap smears and cervical cancer screening
by Joel Sherman, MD on November 23rd, 2009in ConditionsThe American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) has just revised their guidelines for Pap smears under some pressure. This resulted from an Annals of Internal Medicine article which documented that only 16.4% of gynecologists followed the Collegeís prior guidelines. Most did more screenings than indicated, the worst record of the specialties tested. But the ACOG still recommends that nearly all women obtain regular screening at intervals of 1-3 years.

The facts are that cervical cancer is a rare disease in the US, a point which is never made. The American Cancer Society (ACS) predicts that there will be just over 11,000 cases in 2009. There will be nearly as many cases of testicular cancer, 8,400. In comparison both breast and prostate cancer are just under 200,000. Most women have been led to believe that cervical cancer is rampant and they need yearly screening to prevent it. Testicular cancer however, is rarely mentioned. Most physicians donít even bother to recommend that young men self-examine.

Cervical cancer was once more common in this country and that accounts for some of the disparity. Pap screening has helped reduce the incidence, but far more is now known about the disease than when the Pap smear was introduced. Cervical cancer is in essence a sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by the human papillomavirus (HPV). Thus any woman can estimate her personal risk. Itís high if a woman has had multiple sexual partners. With prior negative Paps itís low if she abstains or if she is in a long term mutually monogamous relationship. The newer HPV DNA test will further increase safety.
John

Louisville, KY

#48 Sep 20, 2012
Article continued from above:

For comparisonís sake, HIV (AIDS) is an even more dangerous STD with a five times greater incidence than cervical cancer. Yet no one ever suggests that everyone be tested for HIV, and there are laws in many states restricting testing. Testing is suggested only for those at risk, but this tactic is never used for cervical cancer.

I have seen a spontaneous outpouring of sentiment from women who are angry that the facts on cervical cancer have been hidden from them. They are pushed into getting Paps, but never told the pros and cons of screening. Never mentioned are the high incidence of abnormalities that resolve spontaneously, negative biopsies and colposcopies. Itís an uncommon doctor who even advises that every 2-3 year screening is considered appropriate in low risk women. My wife has had about 45 negative annual Paps and still her doctors havenít said she can skip any. There are many recent recommendations suggesting that men be carefully told the options concerning prostate screening. We are just beginning to see that for breast cancer screening. But for cervical cancer screening there has been near silence on the issue.

Informed consent on cervical cancer screening is completely lacking in this country. Women are told that they need Pap tests, but rarely told if they might not need them or asked if they want them. The ratio of negative biopsies and colposcopies to cases of cervical cancer is very high given the rarity of cervical cancer. If women are given brochures, they are for the sole purpose of convincing them to get regular testing.

The negative aspects of mass cervical screening are never mentioned. Women should be given the facts and allowed to decide for themselves based on their individual risk benefit ratio whether or not they need regular cervical cancer screenings. The ACS and the ACOG could do a real service by providing pamphlets to providersí offices that fully explain both the pros and cons of testing. Then let each individual woman decide for herself.

Joel Sherman is a cardiologist who blogs at Medical Privacy, A Patient Oriented Discussion.

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