hal

Sydney, Australia

#928 Jul 19, 2013
where do we go from here wrote:
Does anyone else wonder where humanity will be sexually speaking, that is, in a hundred years. Today, homosexuality is generally accepted, they have rights etc. Yet a hundred years ago it was a huge taboo. Today, s*x with a 13 year old is "sick and twisted" behaviour yet a hundred years ago 13 year olds were getting married and procreating . Maybe in another 100 years they will be reversed again.... Or the puppy lovers will reign supreme.
I think on your second last point that is true, at least as far as sex and procreation is concerned, but in much less than 100 years.
My estimate would be about 10-20 years.
I doubt marriage will still exist, as we know it.
But some formality of relationship will survive, I'm sure.
Humans love to party!
Incidentally, I also believe within the next 30 years, AI, automation, and robotics, will wipe out money and (most) work.
In 70-100 years, all work.
Within the next 15-20 years we will see the first true androids.
Self drive vehicles are already with us.
And who knows where quantum computing will take us!
Makes you think, doesn't it?

Since: Apr 13

Los Angeles, CA

#929 Jul 19, 2013
Its a good topic to discuss but let's not confuse or lump the gay issues into child abuse. They are very different. I think there are to many people under age on this site and it creates a problem. Adults are old enough to fantasize and should know where those lines are they should not cross.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#930 Jul 21, 2013
manic100 wrote:
Its a good topic to discuss but let's not confuse or lump the gay issues into child abuse. They are very different. I think there are to many people under age on this site and it creates a problem. Adults are old enough to fantasize and should know where those lines are they should not cross.
Hi manic.
Who draws the lines?
And where?
And why should adults not cross those lines?
Lines are there to be crossed.
Just like rules are there to be broken!
That just sounds like old style morality to me!
The stuff that led us all into this mess.
The under age cross those lines every day.
Millions of times.
Every day!
All over the world!
How are you going to stop them????
Can they even be stopped????
I don't think so!
It's never happened in all of history yet!!!!
Julia

Rome, Italy

#931 Jul 22, 2013
hal wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi manic.
Who draws the lines?
And where?
And why should adults not cross those lines?
Lines are there to be crossed.
Just like rules are there to be broken!
That just sounds like old style morality to me!
The stuff that led us all into this mess.
The under age cross those lines every day.
Millions of times.
Every day!
All over the world!
How are you going to stop them????
Can they even be stopped????
I don't think so!
It's never happened in all of history yet!!!!
Societies draw those lines. They agree, through the means of politics and legislation on a series of arbitrary lines. The age of consent line refers to the age at which is legal for an adult to have sex with a minor, this is usually 16-17. Then there is another line, where statutory rape becomes simple child rape, this usually concerns children younger than 14-15. The lines societies draw regulating children and teens having sex with each other are usually different because it is considered acceptable and non-abusive for people of equal maturity level and holding equal amounts of power to get together.
How doyou stop abuse? Like any other crime. Is it totally effective? No, as for any other crime, people keep killing, as nature pushes them, we keep locking them up.
I really like the starfish analogy, even helping one person makes the difference.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#932 Jul 22, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
Societies draw those lines. They agree, through the means of politics and legislation on a series of arbitrary lines. The age of consent line refers to the age at which is legal for an adult to have sex with a minor, this is usually 16-17. Then there is another line, where statutory rape becomes simple child rape, this usually concerns children younger than 14-15. The lines societies draw regulating children and teens having sex with each other are usually different because it is considered acceptable and non-abusive for people of equal maturity level and holding equal amounts of power to get together.
How doyou stop abuse? Like any other crime. Is it totally effective? No, as for any other crime, people keep killing, as nature pushes them, we keep locking them up.
I really like the starfish analogy, even helping one person makes the difference.
Hello Julia!
How are you?
Julia

Rome, Italy

#933 Jul 22, 2013
hal wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Julia!
How are you?
I'm ok,thank you.
I was missing being answered random numbers out of the blue when I defeated an argument.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#934 Jul 22, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm ok,thank you.
I was missing being answered random numbers out of the blue when I defeated an argument.
I still stand by my numbers Julia.
I know from my accounting and budget estimating days how to make numbers tell the story you need to know.
I also know that I had a rare talent for combining precise calculation with a flair for sensing more general and less specific guesstimations.
As always, the final result tells the story.
Mostly I got it right, or close.
Only rarely did I blow it.
And it'll be the same here!
Trust me.
Well, my judgement anyway!!!!
Julia

Rome, Italy

#935 Jul 23, 2013
hal wrote:
<quoted text>
I still stand by my numbers Julia.
I know from my accounting and budget estimating days how to make numbers tell the story you need to know.
I also know that I had a rare talent for combining precise calculation with a flair for sensing more general and less specific guesstimations.
As always, the final result tells the story.
Mostly I got it right, or close.
Only rarely did I blow it.
And it'll be the same here!
Trust me.
Well, my judgement anyway!!!!
I trust you just as much as I trust Manson (they serial killer,not the pop star).
I was referring to the numbers about - oh, who knows - boats? horses? you start spouting out,none having asked, completely out of topic, to change the subject when you are defeated in an argument and that make you look like a crazy crazy person.
To say it more simply, none cares about your numbers, or if they are correct, when the are just a way to get away from the subject of conversation and try and make people forget of your failed arguments to support pedophilia.
Join Free

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#936 Jul 23, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
I trust you just as much as I trust Manson (they serial killer,not the pop star).
I was referring to the numbers about - oh, who knows - boats? horses? you start spouting out,none having asked, completely out of topic, to change the subject when you are defeated in an argument and that make you look like a crazy crazy person.
To say it more simply, none cares about your numbers, or if they are correct, when the are just a way to get away from the subject of conversation and try and make people forget of your failed arguments to support pedophilia.
I now feel disappointed that I didn't get the numbers treatment :(
hal

Sydney, Australia

#937 Jul 23, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
I trust you just as much as I trust Manson (they serial killer,not the pop star).
I was referring to the numbers about - oh, who knows - boats? horses? you start spouting out,none having asked, completely out of topic, to change the subject when you are defeated in an argument and that make you look like a crazy crazy person.
To say it more simply, none cares about your numbers, or if they are correct, when the are just a way to get away from the subject of conversation and try and make people forget of your failed arguments to support pedophilia.
Defeated in an argument!
Haven't seen it yet.
Only by those who think that saying it makes it so.
Lol.
And mainly of course because I'm not actually making any "arguments to support pedophilia", as you claim!
I'm just explaining away the general insanity that prevails in this imaginative area.
I'm telling it like it is, and not how you all dream it should be!
I actually don't have any arguments for or against pedophilia.
How can I?
It would be the same as arguing for or against homosexuality.
They are both natural states of existence, it's just how you are born, basically.
Everything else is just imaginative overlaid moral stricture.
It doesn't carry any "argument to be lost".
It just is!
A state of nature.
So, far from "losing arguments", what's really happening here, is I'm leaving you, and many others, without a feather to fly with.
And you all know it!
But, I have to say, it is quite humourous for me to see you all flapping around, trying to find a way out of your embarrassing multiple predicaments, when the reality is there is no way out, nor for you to "win", because you're all arguing non existent issues, dear to your hearts perhaps, but with little or no input from your minds!!!!
The Hammer

New London, NH

#938 Jul 23, 2013
I cant wait until hal gets the tube steak.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#939 Jul 23, 2013
The Hammer wrote:
I cant wait until hal gets the tube steak.
And how am I going to get that?
Julia

Rome, Italy

#940 Jul 23, 2013
hal wrote:
<quoted text>
Defeated in an argument!
Haven't seen it yet.
Only by those who think that saying it makes it so.
Lol.
And mainly of course because I'm not actually making any "arguments to support pedophilia", as you claim!
I'm just explaining away the general insanity that prevails in this imaginative area.
I'm telling it like it is, and not how you all dream it should be!
I actually don't have any arguments for or against pedophilia.
How can I?
It would be the same as arguing for or against homosexuality.
They are both natural states of existence, it's just how you are born, basically.
Everything else is just imaginative overlaid moral stricture.
It doesn't carry any "argument to be lost".
It just is!
A state of nature.
So, far from "losing arguments", what's really happening here, is I'm leaving you, and many others, without a feather to fly with.
And you all know it!
But, I have to say, it is quite humourous for me to see you all flapping around, trying to find a way out of your embarrassing multiple predicaments, when the reality is there is no way out, nor for you to "win", because you're all arguing non existent issues, dear to your hearts perhaps, but with little or no input from your minds!!!!
Except nobody here ever argued what is natural and what is not, what you're born without, hence you are the one making up argument and going all straw-man crazy.
We are arguing against carrying on acts that harm other people (which pedophiles acts do and homosexual acts don't, the difference is all there), in this case children, whatever they stem from a natural state of existence or not.
By the way, let's get over the "naturality" argument; animalistic is a real concept, natural is not: human nature = all that happens is natural. As far as animal-like behaviour is concerned: yes there is such thing, including murder and rape, it doesn't mean we should accept and consider it peachy as human societies.
The Hammer

New London, NH

#941 Jul 23, 2013
It is pointless arguing with Hal, he is an old troll who has long been an advocate for the defense of pedophilia.

He will pull numbers out of thin air, and throw stats down your throat for weeks at a time.

I've long watched him spout his shit on here for years, along with fellow normal (yet another word he hates) people who are sickened by his trash.

Pay him no mind. I actually quite enjoy letting him spend hours of his day typing on a forum to a world that isn't interested.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#942 Jul 23, 2013
The Hammer wrote:
It is pointless arguing with Hal, he is an old troll who has long been an advocate for the defense of pedophilia.
He will pull numbers out of thin air, and throw stats down your throat for weeks at a time.
I've long watched him spout his shit on here for years, along with fellow normal (yet another word he hates) people who are sickened by his trash.
Pay him no mind. I actually quite enjoy letting him spend hours of his day typing on a forum to a world that isn't interested.
Read my reply to Julia above.
That pretty much deals with you too.
What about my question?
You avoiding that?
Julia

Rome, Italy

#943 Jul 23, 2013
The Hammer wrote:
It is pointless arguing with Hal, he is an old troll who has long been an advocate for the defense of pedophilia.
He will pull numbers out of thin air, and throw stats down your throat for weeks at a time.
I've long watched him spout his shit on here for years, along with fellow normal (yet another word he hates) people who are sickened by his trash.
Pay him no mind. I actually quite enjoy letting him spend hours of his day typing on a forum to a world that isn't interested.


I think his rants are amusing too, but I'm a (relatively) sane 20 year old person. Many people type words on google and end up on these pages, all kinds of people.
I think it's good that if an abused child or potential pedophile with unhealthily urges ends-up on these pages they find counterarguments that explain or ridicule his apologist rants. There are some people who are not mature or sane enough to see his shit what it really is. I would hate for pre-adolescent abused child to end-up on these pages and, not knowing any better, end-up thinking that what happened to them is - quote - natural and is in anyway their fault for being - quote again - provocative.
I want them to know that the majority of adults, the authorities and the law will be on their side, will not shame them, will protect them and do everything they can to bring their rapist and/or abuser to justice.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#944 Jul 23, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
Except nobody here ever argued what is natural and what is not, what you're born without, hence you are the one making up argument and going all straw-man crazy.
We are arguing against carrying on acts that harm other people (which pedophiles acts do and homosexual acts don't, the difference is all there), in this case children, whatever they stem from a natural state of existence or not.
By the way, let's get over the "naturality" argument; animalistic is a real concept, natural is not: human nature = all that happens is natural. As far as animal-like behaviour is concerned: yes there is such thing, including murder and rape, it doesn't mean we should accept and consider it peachy as human societies.
Sorry Julia.
I can't reply to that.
You're making no sense.
That's just a rant, not logic!
Nean

Jasper, AL

#945 Jul 23, 2013
What a stupid useless post. Kill their families? This is not the old testament. And if the "childs" are consenting then that is what I call foolishness. Not abuse. You are merely trying to sound heroic but is just a foolish fool.
Julia

Rome, Italy

#946 Jul 23, 2013
hal wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Julia.
I can't reply to that.
You're making no sense.
That's just a rant, not logic!
I'll try to put it in stupid person language, then:
What is natural = not important, not the point, everything that happens is natural
What harms others = important, the point, the criteria to decide what behaviour needs to be fraught and what behaviour is ok.
hal

Sydney, Australia

#947 Jul 23, 2013
Julia wrote:
<quoted text>
I think his rants are amusing too, but I'm a (relatively) sane 20 year old person. Many people type words on google and end up on these pages, all kinds of people.
I think it's good that if an abused child or potential pedophile with unhealthily urges ends-up on these pages they find counterarguments that explain or ridicule his apologist rants. There are some people who are not mature or sane enough to see his shit what it really is. I would hate for pre-adolescent abused child to end-up on these pages and, not knowing any better, end-up thinking that what happened to them is - quote - natural and is in anyway their fault for being - quote again - provocative.
I want them to know that the majority of adults, the authorities and the law will be on their side, will not shame them, will protect them and do everything they can to bring their rapist and/or abuser to justice.
OMG.
Now we see the full catastrophe.
Leave it Julia.
You're not in the hunt.
None of that is what I'm all about!!!!

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