“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#733 Dec 14, 2011
Carpe Diem wrote:
<quoted text>
Jolene, a few comments on this post as well. It seems incorrect to me to suggest that a preference for no pubic hair was something foisted on the public by any of the industries you cite. The fashion industry doesn't sell many garments that reveal the pubic region, and bikinis have been around for 40 or 50 years. I don't see how the fashion industry is involved in this at all. The adult entertainment industry, like any other, sells what the public wants. If hairy pubic areas were more popular with customers, that is what they would sell. And the cosmetics industry? I admit that as a man I don't see all the advertising directed at women, but I have never seen any product, either advertised or on the shelf, that removes pubic hair. Again, to me this all seems just a matter of personal preference, and if the guys you have been dealing with "often refuse to go down" on you unless you shave, then you are going out with the wrong guys. Even though I prefer a woman shaved, I would never think of imposing my preferences against her will, or refusing to go down on her.
Do you understand how marketing works? As with all things there is no interest or demand for something until it actually exists, in concept or in reality. Prior to that it is solely in the purview of the dreamer.

The fashion industry creates concepts and puts feelers out to gauge interest, such as more revealing and skimpier bikinis/lingerie. When interest is shown mass production and advertising to into affect. Those buying into it do so knowing that certain body modifications have to be made and maintained to successfully wear them. That growing becomes habit out of necessity and the cosmetics industry recognizes an emerging need for products to accomplish such. As a man I have seen them out there.

Consider that no one shaved at one point: bushes, legs, arm pits. Someone happened upon or. Someone tried it. A favorable reaction encouraged the spreading of that new knowledge and experimentation results. From that trends and styles emerge, hand in hand with a capitalistic industry that siezes upon opportunities to take advantage of them financially.

When adult entertainers experiment with grooming and stumble upon a result that takes root through that industry by appeal or curiosity, that visual representation is put out for the world to see. These things take on a life of their own if what is new becomes popular. Entire new markets and cultural norms/trends emerge this way.
Carpe Diem

Henderson, NV

#734 Dec 14, 2011
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it, Sir, that men like yourself who prefer The Bushless always refer to The Bushed as "hairy?" Having a bush does not make anyone hairy. It is one patch of normal, natural hair in one spot of the body. Unusual or excessively large amounts of hair throughout the body would make a person "hairy," as the amount of body hair a person grows varies considerably.
Any question asked a large body of people is a poll, formally or informally. And like any poll, it is only representative of those who choose to participate and respond. No poll represents the whole unless the whole are actually represented.
You suggest that the responses may have been swayed by the title of this thread. I disagree. One indisputable fact about the Human Sexuality aspect of Topix is that an individual WILL chime in on a subject one way or another if the thread title has any bearing on their own personal preferences. Any thread that asks about a woman's pubic hair will always attract those such as yourself who are opposed to its existence. Why? Because as many of you demonstrate, you can't avoid making your disgust of it known in hopes of swaying others to conform to your own tastes by demeaning and belittling those who do not comply. Don't tell me you aren't one of them because I've witnessed you doing so already (Oooh! I got a hair in my mouth, what were our words? Oh, yeah, "bleh!")
Jolene did not try to prove a point with compiling responses. She was curious how the opinions of others tallied and did the leg work to compile the results. It gives the reading public an idea of where we all stand, plain and simple. Her follow up of information is far from opinionated.
Calm down, Tim. You're upset because I used the word "hairy" instead of "bushless?" Really? never even heard of the word "bushless" before reading your post. I am definitely not on any sort of crusade to ensure bushlessness. There is really only one woman whose pubic hair is of any immediate concern to me, and that is my wife. And although I have expressed my preference to her, she definitely does whatever she wants, and is definitely not always "bushless." In fact, if you had read on to later posts, you would have seen that I had described my own grooming habits with the word "hairy" as well, and also that I repeatedly said that it is a woman's choice. In fact, Jolene's latest response to me showed that she and I ended up being largely in agreement. In direct response to the question in the title of this post, "how do men like their women's pubic hair," I mentioned that my own reaction to pubic hair in my mouth is "bleh," because that is indeed MY reaction. It's obviously not yours, and I really have no interest in dictating to you, or anyone else, what their reaction should be. None of my business. So chill out.

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#735 Dec 14, 2011
Carpe Diem wrote:
<quoted text>
Touché. Re-reading my post, I think that you are right; I did phrase my argument in a demeaning way, and to make matters worse, I did so immediately after stating that there was no need to be demeaning. I was wrong. My apologies.
That's mature of you to say, and worthy of respect. Apology happily accepted.
vicky

Mumbai, India

#737 Dec 14, 2011
i like to see the womens or girls with pubic hair. It seems to be hot, sexy. I always pull my gfs hair holding in my lips. She likes it n told me to pull them strongly.
GUY

Irving, TX

#738 Dec 14, 2011
I am a gut that like pubic hair,,,not a full grown wide bush down the legs type,,,but nicely trimmed above the clit area,,,if I do get a hair or two in my teeth,,,its a trophy as to how inmate I got to be with her,,,I think licking a pus9y is about as inmate as a guy gan get,,,

“Bring Back the Bush!”

Since: Jul 10

Ventura

#739 Dec 14, 2011
Carpe Diem wrote:
<quoted text>
Calm down, Tim. You're upset because I used the word "hairy" instead of "bushless?" Really? never even heard of the word "bushless" before reading your post. I am definitely not on any sort of crusade to ensure bushlessness. There is really only one woman whose pubic hair is of any immediate concern to me, and that is my wife. And although I have expressed my preference to her, she definitely does whatever she wants, and is definitely not always "bushless." In fact, if you had read on to later posts, you would have seen that I had described my own grooming habits with the word "hairy" as well, and also that I repeatedly said that it is a woman's choice. In fact, Jolene's latest response to me showed that she and I ended up being largely in agreement. In direct response to the question in the title of this post, "how do men like their women's pubic hair," I mentioned that my own reaction to pubic hair in my mouth is "bleh," because that is indeed MY reaction. It's obviously not yours, and I really have no interest in dictating to you, or anyone else, what their reaction should be. None of my business. So chill out.
I'm not upset at all, Sir. In fact, so far as I'm aware, terms such as "Bushless" and "Bushed" are of my own creation in this regard. I use them as time savers in typing because they leave no room for misrepresention such as "hairy" can.

By no means is the term "hairy" negative in of itself. However, when used by those who oppose the bush, and who make "bleh!" references to getting hair in the mouth, I'm sure you can see the negative implications in conjunction. Intentionally or otherwise, a person who publicly vocalizes disliking bush and is grossed out by getting a hair in their mouth can inspire quite the negative feeling within a woman. Women can be very self conscious and here, those with bushes get to read men's words about how gross hair is, how disgusted they are by getting hair in their mouths, being referred to as hairy and all the "blehs" their bushes create by a vocal few.

I'm not saying you're necessary trying to force an agenda or being deliberately offensive, but look at this from the female perspective and how your words can be perceived. As a man even I can see it. Jolene spoke earlier about those women who shave only to satisfy the male preference in spite of their own. Consider that your words may have an influencing impact in making a woman feel insecure about maintaining a bush in defiance of the trend to shave.
jolene

Denton, TX

#740 Dec 15, 2011
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>... One thing I do dispute was your claim on the adult entertainment industry. Shaving bald has been an occurrence since at least the mid-seventies but, based upon my own viewing experiences in porn as well as adult magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse, "widespread" shaving bald did not begin until the mid-nineties. And actually began with an emergence of the Dorito and the landing strip before progressing into hairlessness...
Thanks for your comments. I do agree with some of your comments but not all, especially your dispute about the Adult Entertainment Industry. Yes, it was in the 70’s when shaving bald was first done in the Adult Industry. Hustler magazine was the first to feature completely shaved female genitalia in 1974. And one of the first shaved scenes in film was Linda Lovelace in ‘Deep Throat” in 1972.

Actually in adult films by the mid 80's most of the more popular actresses shaved and shaving WAS wide spread in adult films by the end of the 80's and continued going into the 90’s. An interesting note about shaving in adult films is that it was partially spurred by the popularity of VCR’s with Adult VHS sales and rentals starting in early to mid 80’s as more and more people felt more comfortable viewing adult films at home. Thus as the popularity of VHS took off in the 80’s with private viewing at home on smaller screens than in a theater and a more intimate experience overall, the camera work had to be adapted to show more detail and thus first trimming, then partial shaving of the labia then full pubic hair removal became the norm by the end of the 80’s because of the deeper intimacy and improved small screen visibility of the sex acts portrayed. Another interesting side note is that in the beginning the two main VCR formats were VHS and Betamax of which VHS won out and became the standard. While there were many reasons for this, one is that Betamax refused to let the Adult Entertainment Industry use it’s format!

Magazines were slower in showing the shaved look. However, magazines such as Hustler often showed shaved genitalia during the 80’s. Other magazines such as Penthouse showed shaved labia but did not follow with full shaving until the 90’s. Playboy was one of the last adult magazines to show a totally shaved pictorial; Dalene Kurtis became the first Playmate of the Month to be totally shaved in Sept. 2001.
jolene

Denton, TX

#741 Dec 15, 2011
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it, Sir, that men like yourself who prefer The Bushless always refer to The Bushed as "hairy?" Having a bush does not make anyone hairy. It is one patch of normal, natural hair in one spot of the body. Unusual or excessively large amounts of hair throughout the body would make a person "hairy," as the amount of body hair a person grows varies considerably.
Any question asked a large body of people is a poll, formally or informally. And like any poll, it is only representative of those who choose to participate and respond. No poll represents the whole unless the whole are actually represented.
You suggest that the responses may have been swayed by the title of this thread. I disagree. One indisputable fact about the Human Sexuality aspect of Topix is that an individual WILL chime in on a subject one way or another if the thread title has any bearing on their own personal preferences. Any thread that asks about a woman's pubic hair will always attract those such as yourself who are opposed to its existence. Why? Because as many of you demonstrate, you can't avoid making your disgust of it known in hopes of swaying others to conform to your own tastes by demeaning and belittling those who do not comply. Don't tell me you aren't one of them because I've witnessed you doing so already (Oooh! I got a hair in my mouth, what were our words? Oh, yeah, "bleh!")
Jolene did not try to prove a point with compiling responses. She was curious how the opinions of others tallied and did the leg work to compile the results. It gives the reading public an idea of where we all stand, plain and simple. Her follow up of information is far from opinionated.
Thank you for your supporting comments in this post!
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jolene

Denton, TX

#742 Dec 15, 2011
Its Tim wrote:
<quoted text>Do you understand how marketing works? As with all things there is no interest or demand for something until it actually exists, in concept or in reality. Prior to that it is solely in the purview of the dreamer.
The fashion industry creates concepts and puts feelers out to gauge interest, such as more revealing and skimpier bikinis/lingerie. When interest is shown mass production and advertising to into affect. Those buying into it do so knowing that certain body modifications have to be made and maintained to successfully wear them. That growing becomes habit out of necessity and the cosmetics industry recognizes an emerging need for products to accomplish such. As a man I have seen them out there.
Consider that no one shaved at one point: bushes, legs, arm pits. Someone happened upon or. Someone tried it. A favorable reaction encouraged the spreading of that new knowledge and experimentation results. From that trends and styles emerge, hand in hand with a capitalistic industry that siezes upon opportunities to take advantage of them financially.
When adult entertainers experiment with grooming and stumble upon a result that takes root through that industry by appeal or curiosity, that visual representation is put out for the world to see. These things take on a life of their own if what is new becomes popular. Entire new markets and cultural norms/trends emerge this way.
Thanks for your post! That is a good explaination of marketing and fits right in with my comments about the fashion and cosmetic industries.
lillylicker

United States

#743 Dec 15, 2011
GUY wrote:
I am a gut that like pubic hair,,,not a full grown wide bush down the legs type,,,but nicely trimmed above the clit area,,,if I do get a hair or two in my teeth,,,its a trophy as to how inmate I got to be with her,,,I think licking a pus9y is about as inmate as a guy gan get,,,
Inmate? are you in prison?
Carpe Diem

Henderson, NV

#744 Dec 15, 2011
jolene wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your comments. I do agree with some of your comments but not all, especially your dispute about the Adult Entertainment Industry. Yes, it was in the 70’s when shaving bald was first done in the Adult Industry. Hustler magazine was the first to feature completely shaved female genitalia in 1974. And one of the first shaved scenes in film was Linda Lovelace in ‘Deep Throat” in 1972.
Actually in adult films by the mid 80's most of the more popular actresses shaved and shaving WAS wide spread in adult films by the end of the 80's and continued going into the 90’s. An interesting note about shaving in adult films is that it was partially spurred by the popularity of VCR’s with Adult VHS sales and rentals starting in early to mid 80’s as more and more people felt more comfortable viewing adult films at home. Thus as the popularity of VHS took off in the 80’s with private viewing at home on smaller screens than in a theater and a more intimate experience overall, the camera work had to be adapted to show more detail and thus first trimming, then partial shaving of the labia then full pubic hair removal became the norm by the end of the 80’s because of the deeper intimacy and improved small screen visibility of the sex acts portrayed. Another interesting side note is that in the beginning the two main VCR formats were VHS and Betamax of which VHS won out and became the standard. While there were many reasons for this, one is that Betamax refused to let the Adult Entertainment Industry use it’s format!
Magazines were slower in showing the shaved look. However, magazines such as Hustler often showed shaved genitalia during the 80’s. Other magazines such as Penthouse showed shaved labia but did not follow with full shaving until the 90’s. Playboy was one of the last adult magazines to show a totally shaved pictorial; Dalene Kurtis became the first Playmate of the Month to be totally shaved in Sept. 2001.
Thanks, Jolene. Very informative and comprehensive.

Although we were underage, my friend and I were able to sneak into a theater showing Deep Throat when it came out, and I do still remember the shaving scene.
jolene

Denton, TX

#745 Dec 15, 2011
terain wrote:
i think any girl who doesnt shave there baldy locks sould be horse whiped , ina man and shave dowwn there its called being clean and not infected sterile is the best
Wow... so us girls who do not shaved need to be horse whipped? What a nasty arrogant yet completely clueless viewpoint; I suggest you are the one that needs to be whipped as you show true ignorance and a unhealthy attitude toward women’s preferences!

Shaving is sterile and clean? You need to read my post #711 then research it on your own and learn the truth! More infections occur as the result of shaving than there are with leaving pubic hair in tact!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#746 Dec 15, 2011
jolene wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow... so us girls who do not shaved need to be horse whipped? What a nasty arrogant yet completely clueless viewpoint; I suggest you are the one that needs to be whipped as you show true ignorance and a unhealthy attitude toward women’s preferences!
Shaving is sterile and clean? You need to read my post #711 then research it on your own and learn the truth! More infections occur as the result of shaving than there are with leaving pubic hair in tact!
Jolene shall we both whip & spank him left & right ????

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#747 Dec 15, 2011
terain needs to spanked harder for such insult to women........

please TERAIn behave ur self..
lillylicker

United States

#748 Dec 15, 2011
wildbanana wrote:
<quoted text>
Jolene shall we both whip & spank him left & right ????
hell no! the loser would like it. doesn't deserve to be rewarded for his cluelessness.
jolene

Denton, TX

#749 Dec 15, 2011
rustedrootnut wrote:
Dang, we don't need disertations on the matter, a simple answer woyld suffice. This is not a post-graduate discission, at least i did not think it was.
As one who writes many dissertations at the post-graduate level both academically and here, I am sorry if my posts have been too long for you. Sometimes a simple answer will suffice. But in a forum about human sexuality it often takes longer posts to get points across and/or to educate others on what one has learned. The post here are very short compared to what I am use to! What is wrong with having healthy productive debates?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#750 Dec 15, 2011
I think its great that there is so much variety in what women and men want. Wouldn't it be boring if we all looked the same, and guys didn't have a little surprise the first time they got our pants off?

I prefer a hairy area. My man prefers it also, and I love the way he reacts when he sees me take my underwear down.
jolene

Denton, TX

#752 Dec 15, 2011
A few years back when I was 18, I shaved bare at the insistence of an ex-bf; that proved to be a very disappointing experience and was not worth the effort and I vowed never to do it again!

Since then I only trim along my bikini line during the summer and leave it alone throughout the winter so I have a natural full bush. My man loves it and enjoys playing with my pubic hair!

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#753 Dec 15, 2011
hornyguy93 wrote:
<quoted text> can i see?
hmmm.. you are a bush lover? private message me
motorcycle man

Vancouver, WA

#754 Dec 15, 2011
i like my girls pub hair on top of my c_ck

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