Celebrity lawyer takes aim at celebri...

Celebrity lawyer takes aim at celebrities

There are 12 comments on the San Jose Mercury News story from Oct 2, 2010, titled Celebrity lawyer takes aim at celebrities. In it, San Jose Mercury News reports that:

By landing in celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred's cross hairs last week, Republican Meg Whitman found herself in some lofty and, in some instances, infamous company.

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toto

Brentwood, TN

#1 Oct 26, 2010
I wonder what Alred thought about the sexual harassment by ceo of HP Carley Fiorina and her low life fem staff with all their sexual comments about internal competition? Is anyone wondering why the real reason for Carly's firing at that board meeting in Chicago was hushed up? I know some of the real charges must have been much to embarrassing for a grand old company with a good reputation when it comes to employee treatment to have to suffer. Go ahead Carly win that election in California, we would love to hear more from you. Loser! You must have made the founders turn over in their graves.
toto

Brentwood, TN

#2 Oct 26, 2010
OK I misspelled Allreds' name so I know the fans of Gloria will key on the type-o. But to all the grieving tramped on fems out there, why do you refer to homosexual women as lesbians? Don't you realize that along with queer women who might live in that capital city of Portugal you are accusing all the housewives and single women who are not queer?
Sorry about the q word I am still searching for a political correct one syllable term for homosexual women. Gay won't do because that word was derived from Gaelic a people in the British Isles who are not all queer.
toto

Brentwood, TN

#3 Oct 29, 2010
And what was the name of that broad Pat something who spyed on her foes by illegal pretexting? These broads are bad news to a company who's reputation has always been good. Mark Hurd a stright shooter replaced the underhanded pretexter and took the company to new hights but I guess they got him back. Anyone who hires that woman Allred is automaticly dismissed as less than honest in my book.
Noob

Germany

#4 Oct 29, 2010
Nice monologue ;-)
toto

Brentwood, TN

#5 Oct 30, 2010
Thanks. Do you know anything that about the subject that you want to share? Are you a Carly or a pretext Pat fan? If so I hope you send Carl'y campaign some much needed cash. Those losers would be so much fun to ridicule.
Noob

Germany

#6 Oct 30, 2010
Sorry - I'm admitting drawing a blank on that topic - except that I despise the way Alred abuses & manipulates people for her financial gain and to remain in the spot light.
That woman has no morales!
If she would mess w/ a case I would usually feel sympathetic for, her involvement would make me utterly suspicious!
toto

Brentwood, TN

#7 Nov 1, 2010
Noob wrote:
Sorry - I'm admitting drawing a blank on that topic - except that I despise the way Alred abuses & manipulates people for her financial gain and to remain in the spot light.
That woman has no morales!
If she would mess w/ a case I would usually feel sympathetic for, her involvement would make me utterly suspicious!
While living in Palo Alto CA I came to hold about the same opinion of then Ceo Carly Fiorina as you seem to view Allred. She was very underhanded in the way she treated people with whom she disagreed. Her fans mostly women called her flamboyant. I am sure she entertained many with her conservative to fault imo speeches. She loved pushing people’s buttons. As a way to cut taxes and piss off environmentalist she favored subdividing the national parks. A pic of her dream house next to Yosemite falls hung in her office.
toto

Brentwood, TN

#8 Nov 1, 2010
Carly once called a contract worker who she thought was against shipping HP jobs overseas a “Flat Earth” person. The funny part came when the “Flat Earth” person said, well that might be true since all of the leaders of this stampede to globalization seem to be equipped with “golden parachutes”. Carly’s fans often boasted of their idol’s 23,000,000 dollar guaranteed severance package or “golden parachute”.
Mark Hurd on the other hand did not seem to find the need to be so abrasive in dealing with employees. I think in a climate with less friction between factions like existed during Carly’s reign productivity including innovation would improve.
When Carly challenged the “Flat Earth” contract worker to prove a fit to HP by suggesting an improvement to Microsoft Word which the free lance writer must have often used, the worker just ask why if a stand alone i is always upper case do I need to hit the shift key? Carly or anyone else gathered around watching the whipping of the “Flat Earth” person had ever heard of this suggestion, including Bill Hewlett son of a founder. Then the “Flat Earther” claimed copyright for the idea and announced intention to hire code writers to develop it.“Not so fast” said Carly, you are my employee and I claim that stand alone i idea for HP. But you just fired me! Flat Earth said. Carly said read your contract it is eight am and you are being paid for another four hours just for showing up. HP owned Flat Earth till then, I guess. I hope that Manpower got a little more than the utility scale Flat Earth contracted for and shared with Flat Earth but probably not. Nonbody crossed the wicked witch of the west especilly lowly Manpower women employees wanting to advance in Carly's good ol' gal South Bay.
Noob

Germany

#9 Nov 2, 2010
Greed & power always distort/corrupt people in one way or another.
I just wonder why the big mass of "Flat Earth" people keeps putting up with golden parachutes, 1 Million $/annum plus pay checks for mere "clerks" (what makes them so much better than cops and nurses who try to save lives???) and all the antics of the spoiled brats of these people.
Most don't see how manipulated they are: they even spent their money on magazines to read about the latest gossip from the "upper 10000" and don't realize that this money goes straight back to the "upper 10000". They are aging against the government claiming they are socialist and have already forgotten that it was the Bush administration under which the capitalistic system imploded and which implemented TARP to bail the bankers out.
Seriously - people should start wondering who made the money from the financial bubble and who really benefits from TARP. Capitalism per se is fine - but not this corrupted version where the bankers don't even stick to "their own" motto but invent figures & numbers and get bail outs instead of taking over the very responsibility they claim the small people have.
There are only a view "super rich" who still realize that wealth comes with responsibility:
http://givingpledge.org/
toto

Brentwood, TN

#10 Nov 2, 2010
I think I agree that CEOs in the US are overpaid. Do people in the top management posts in Europe still draw the much smaller salaries than their counter parts here or has the effects of globalization driven expectations for higher pay up for Europe’s management salaries also? It seems to me a company could find good management for much less.
In the case of Carly Fiorina the first female to head a company of HP’s size she seemed to have a Hollywood kind of following so like movie stars during the great depression the fan base of Carly was probably living vicariously the finical success of the over hyped and over paid Carly.
toto

Brentwood, TN

#11 Nov 2, 2010
Carly Fiorina the Flamboyant was very good at selling herself which made stocks rise.
to bad about the actual performance though.
Hurd turned the company around and I guess that made one fem angry and he paid. He might have made some bad judgement in the small head department but I doubt if it was without engouragement from the movie star.
Noob

Germany

#12 Nov 3, 2010
In 2007 the average salary for "top managers" in Germany was 2.7 Mio Euros.
In 2008, the highest was the former Porschee manager Wendelin Wiedeking with 77.400.000 Euro (including golden parachute after he wanted to buy VW but instead VW bought Porschee. Anyone knowing about the special "VW law", which protects VW from a hostile takeover would have forseen that), followed by Daniel Vasella, CEO of Novartis with 13.646.000 Euro.

The growth rate of top manager salaries was 14%(from 2006 to 2007) compared to a mere 1,4% growth of "normal" salaries.

And that's my point: it's completely out of any relation. "Fair" capitalism keeps that stuff in proportion, is supposed to be "self regulating" but this is just plain greed and when it started to crumble (self regulation of sorts) the average guy had to pay for it and bail them out.
REAL capitalism would have let those companies declare bankruptcy.

In the US and Germany, top managers always justified their salaried w/ responsibility and LIABILITY. However, it wasn't the top managers savings who bailed them out but tax payers money.
Forced upon the tax payers by the Bush administration or their respective leaders (Angela Merkel in Germany,...). The top managers are still sitting on their savings while people all over the world lost their retirement fonds and have to bail them out on top of everything.

I admit, that I'm not very savvy about the stock market and shares. Per definition, it should be one part of the "share capital" (still a "real" value) but then people start speculating about it and it all becomes just a bubble. In the end, it really has nothing to do anymore w/ real assets and real performance numbers but all with bets on how the company might perform. So if a manager like Carly Fiorina puts on a good SHOW, the stocks are rising. Still, it doesn't make the products any better or sells them any better. It just sells the stock better. And that's where I really do not understand this world anymore but I might lack the knowledge of the big picture how the stock market makes sense while being "attached" to real assets.

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