I suppose in healthy situations it offers comfort and positive encouragement. What's your point? If were discussing a disease, as so many claim that addiction is, we should be looking at hard facts.<quoted text>
Faith has no "evidence" written in stone either, but for many people it works.
Not me. I was discussing the failure rate of AA in sobering up alcoholics shown by controlled studies, most significantly by George Vaillant of Harvard University who showed no success rate and a higher death rate that he himself called "appalling", yet still raved about how wonderful AA is. None of your question holds any relevence to anything I've said, you're completely side-stepping.<quoted text>
Who honestly cares if there is a scientific theorem or a mathematical equation proving or disproving the success rate of people's beliefs?.
Yes there is, outside of the controlled studies there is the ratio to tokens given out for sobriety milestones. AA doesn't want the success rate actually measured because they have been lying about it since 1939. When Bill Wilson wrote the words "Rarely have we seen a person fail" there were at best three members that had stayed sober more than six months.<quoted text>
There really is no way to measure the success rate of people in an anonymous program. AA itself has admitted that.
Are you honestly telling me you've never heard an AA claim that Bill was divinely inspired when he wrote the Big Book or formed the cult? Why haven't the first 164 pages of the Big Book been updated since they were first written?<quoted text>
But at the same time, people in AA do not worship Bill Wilson as a profit, that is just plain and simply WRONG.
Again, pure side-step. I never said that AA funded treatment centers.<quoted text>
Neither does AA fund any treatment centers. Again, just WRONG.
You have yet to dispute anything I've said, you've even resorted to making things up and claiming I said them so you can knock them down. Doesn't help your case. Try again.<quoted text>
You are just WRONG about a lot of things. I would never force AA on you so don't force your opinion on others and call it fact.